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>>65211803
Don't those have a heavy as fuck trigger for more reasons than just a shitty trigger pack or whatever? I feel like a heavy ass pull weight and FRTs probably don't go great together.
Personally I'd rather just build an AR out to handle sustained fire and buy a bunch of PMAG40s and Surefire 100s for less than half the cost of a 249S. Belt feds are cool but fuck dealing with links and the only things I'm willing to consider paying 5 digits for are all .50s.
>>65212215
Congress will never do it and SCotUS will come up with bullshit excuses to keep it. It's still a bridge too far at this point. Massive FRT proliferation may finally force the issue because it makes the 86' ban irrelevant but we've still got years at minimum to hit that point. Everyone needs to have at least one FRT firearm.
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>>65212534
>Everyone
*Wrong*. Stop shilling this, frt shillfag.
>will never do it
Yes they will. We just need a few U.S. Supreme Court rulings to initiate and set the impulse direction, on prime related issues such as illegal magazine bans and AR-15/AWBs. That *are coming on next year's docket*: there will be a ruling on one of several prime state AWB cases. Also wrt to "machinegun-convertible" pistols, several U.S. states are being hit by lawsuits for banning Glocks. In addition, places such as Washington D.C. are having fundamental changes made to their justice system prosecutions of violent crime. Things are substantively changing, to focus *on crime and criminals* rather than unconstitutional and illegal "gun laws" (that do absolutely Zero about or to inhibit violent crime).
The main obstacle in all of this (NFA or down the chain) is no, not U.S. Congress, but the *federal court system* / its corrupt circuits and lifetime judges. They are the ones that keep the merry-go-round spinning and why nothing ever gets done. (RE: U.S. Congress several bills have been introduced by members with regard to NFA; there's a broad gun-normie awareness in the mid-2020s that the NFA is totally illegal and unconstitutional.) It's coming by increments.
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>>65212534
>just build an AR out to handle sustained fire
It's sad that MGs have been b& for so long even gun enthusiasts don't understand the purpose of an open bolt design
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>>65212820
Yes fucking everyone. I don't care if it's an FRT, super safety, or whatever. The point is make them so common the discussion on full auto becomes what's the point of the ban if everyone already has a legal equivalent anyways? On top of that the second someone tries to ban FRTs nationwide, super safeties, etc you can slap them in the taint with "in common use". I don't give a rat's ass what design you choose, who you buy it from, or what you print it out of as long as you've got one.
I also want to see the left absolutely seethe because everyone and their mum's got 600+ rounds per minute round 'ere.
>>65212840
The problem isn't not understanding the purpose of open bolt jackass. The problem is open bolt anything is banned or heinously expensive for what it is making it being good for purpose irrelevant to the average consumer. If I could just buy an open bolt MG I would but I'm not paying Corvette money for a clapped out stamped steel piece of shit that has almost been ran through as much as Bonnie Blue.
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>>65212862
>'a rat's ass' / "in common use"
Fuck (You) brainlet and every other frtTard Shill. Fuck (You) Stupid Fuckbrain DUMB FUCK.
(You) have *ZERO* idea how the legislative and legal strategy battle functions and are shilling for Faggots. DUMB FUCK.
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>>65212962
How about instead of screeching like an absolute retard you enlighten me then hmm? Bruen changes the game but being able to also say "tens of millions of civilian firearms have this feature in one form or another" IS still helpful arguing it. As for the legislature, it's going to be a lot easier to get more of the GOP onboard if instead of a giant leap nuking the Hughes amendment or the entire NFA is just a small change from what's already out there.
Not liking something shouldn't result in you acting like a screeching retard about it.
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>>65213049
>'muh not like' "muh hughes amendment"
(You) have no fucking clue how any of this works at all. Shilling/buying a gadget doesn't move the needle on anything. (They'll just ban them exactly like Glocks+switches that they're doing rn) TOTALLY CLUELESS TidePod-eating Brainlet = (You) and all frtTards
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>>65213114
Glocks with switches were already illegal anon. They're outright machine guns. They've always been machine guns.
The only people that make money if you squirt a super safety are the guys you buy your filament from. The point isn't go pay people money for a trinket, it's "build a not-a-machine gun and get your friends to do it too". The needle moves because it becomes mundane instead of a fancy esoteric "gadget" or feature for some contrarian to reee about on the internet. Every time you go to the gun range there'll be people letting off bursts or dumping the mag. If everyone can crank off a full mag in 2-3 seconds anyways the Hughes amendment is basically pointless and is much harder to defend. The NFA as a whole also loses its thunder because you can already get machine gun rates of fire without having to deal with it period.
Braces have already done exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. We were one cunt away from SBRs being taken off the NFA. Without braces catching on it wouldn't have even come up. The SHORT act was straight up an attempt to do exactly what I'm describing but for SBRs and SBSs instead of full auto.
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>>65213357
I just hope someday the GOP finds their balls and gets it done. It'd be nice to just skip the gimmicks and be able to go straight to buying an M-60 at the gun store for as much as an extra fancy AR today. Imagine being able to buy an Uzi or MAC for what they're actually worth instead of what some fat old "investor" taking advantage of the closed market wants for it. Also brand new instead of a shot out piece of trash with 42,069,001 rounds put through it by everyone with a pulse and money to burn.
>>65213364
wuv you too baby boo~kyun <3<3<3
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>>65213393
>GOP finds their balls and get it done
They literally have the presidency, house, senate, popular vote, and a stacked supreme court. You don't have it because you are a stupid goy and they don't care about you.
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>>65213429
He is so fucking stupid, just like all frtTards
(btw as said above none of the overturn of unconstitutional gun laws state-or-federal-level including NFA has anything to do with Pepsi v. Coke politics: Everything to do with the federal court system and its lifetime judges, however)
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>>65212534
FRT proliferation is just going to get a judge to call those things machine gun parts, which they are.
>>65213357
Because it's really a matter of time before another suicidal spree killer with a chip on his shoulder shows up at with one. The fact that no one sells a rifle with them already in it and the fact that they can take a bit of effort (and money) to get working is what's kept them out of the hands of people like that so far, but eventually it's still going to happen. That, and, well, it might take a bit before one picks a stage where his performance will be most affected by having a machine gun verses not. But eventually it's still going to happen.
There's probably already been ghetto trash using FRTs for drive bys.
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>>65213739
Still one shot per trigger pull which makes them not a machine gun no matter the rate of fire achievable with them. They'd have to change some major definitions and not in the "ATF says that's a machine gun because the director fell and nobody kissed his boo boo" sort of way. There'd be a huge risk of them oopsie poopsie banning all semi-autos and that'd stand for all of five seconds. Basically when it comes to FRTs and super safeties congress of Christmas past accidentally gifted us the exact legal framework to make them extremely hard to federally ban because half of congress at any given time won't touch that with a ten foot pole. Even a lot of democrats don't want that smoke.
If CNN starts talking about them they way they do AR-15s it'll happen. When you spend years telling the world "THIS IS THE BEST THING TO KILL PEOPLE WITH EVER" someone's going to listen. The thing is it'll probably play out similarly to most where the shooter didn't practice a damn thing because why would they need to, can't hit a barn from inside it, and now with the FRT are going to have a pile of malfunctions because it's not just pull trigger and off they go. More accurate than a bump stock but most of these idiots already can't handle recoil well with Fudd range tier fire rates.
Hood rats got dem blickys wit da switch and other illegal machine guns. They don't typically need FRTs and I don't think anyone makes one for hi-points yet.
Btw, anyone actually going to answer that question about why 249 triggers are apparently heavy as shit? Is it really just a god awful trigger or is there more to it like mechanical reasons caused by the design of the gun itself?
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>>65213550
Thats not true. If the legislative creates and passes a bill that says all American's are permitted to own magazines of any capacity and the executive signs it and begins suing states that don't comply, the issue is pretty much forced upon the judiciary to solve the matter and stop dilly dallying.
If the GoP controls the legislative, executive, and judiciary with a popular vote mandate, there is not a single check, balance or even legal option to stop them from dismantling gun control nationwide within a year but they won't because they don't care, they know you will already vote for them because team pepsi wants to ban your guns forever so they will hold the issue hostage until this country is minority white and your vote doesn't matter anymore
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>>65214018
A judge hasn't decided that yet.
What ultimately it comes down to is the definition of the words "function" or "pull", and whether or not the single conscious action of willing your finger to pull back on something regardless of how many times it's forced forward really counts as multiple functions. It's certainly arguable that the continuous pulling force of the finger is a single mechanical function.
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>>65214570
>and whether or not the single conscious action of willing your finger to pull back on something regardless of how many times it's forced forward really counts as multiple functions.
The supreme court already decided essentially that question in Cargill. The anwser is yes. Cargill is the reason the ATF settled with Rarebreed.
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>>65214103
Wrong.
>>65214835
Correct.
>>65215046
Thank you.
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>>65214103
They won't for the same reasons violence never actually goes away when Democrats who explicitly run on it get elected. It's great for tard wrangling at the polls. What changes things is pressure growth and primarying. Congress relies on the fact that their constituents are mostly idiots who would vote for them regardless of what they do. That pressure is actually visible in the GOP right now and several lifers have just been booted because people are tired of it. They care when 40 year careers get ended at the polls by unhappy voters.
>>65214570
I'm pretty sure this has actually been solved like 30-40+ years ago but I'd have to look to be sure. I'd expect what you'd get back with this line is the trigger itself still has to be mechanically actuated once per shot where machine guns fire multiple per single actuation with no regard for continuous pressure. You're basically trying to turn the finger into part of the firearm for the purpose of the argument.
About the only way you can really do it without facing an immediate potential fights in congress or court is explicitly banning them by name with no broad function controls. Then Hoffman Tactical or some other eccentric sperg creates a new distinct part that isn't banned and the dance goes on. The main risk that comes with broad function related bans is the inevitable overreach going a bridge too far targeting normally perfect legal things, like semi-autos in general. I'd 100% expect some tard to try banning firearms with triggers that reset period. Feinstein absolutely would've tried if she weren't worm shit.
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>>65215046
No shit. I'm not arguing that they function perfect or replace the well deserved deaths of the NFA, GCA, and other such laws.
>>65214018
>and now with the FRT are going to have a pile of malfunctions
All of you people are ignoring the impact of explicitly common workarounds on shortening the road to full deregulation. Again, braces have directly led to deregulation of SBRs and SBSs becoming more palatable and actual attempts being made. Personally I never thought something like the SHORT act would even make it to the floor. It was a hair from passage in reconciliation then GOP leadership bitched out letting a dem parliamentarian ice it. Short rifles have become much more mundane and pressure to deregulate increased with it. Did any of you even think we'd ever get $0 tax stamps?
For FRTs that comes from every trip to the range coming with people happily mag dumping, firing off controlled bursts, and other previously full giggle exclusive turf. Make it mundane and people start asking "wait a minute, why can't we just have the real thing?", that includes sitting congressmen. Pressure builds and change happens.
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>>65211828
FRTs do not work reliably with simple blowback actions.
>>65211945
Belt-fed uppers for AR15s are a meme, they are not built to last because they cannot be.
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>>65214018
>Btw, anyone actually going to answer that question about why 249 triggers are apparently heavy as shit? Is it really just a god awful trigger or is there more to it like mechanical reasons caused by the design of the gun itself?
Maybe have a look at one. There's no mechanical reason why they need to be heavy. They're heavy because it's a fucking machinegun, you don't shoot it like a rifle and basically none of the orthodox marksmanship principles really apply or work anyway.
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>>65211834
yeah about that...
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>>65218089
I'd love to have a look but I don't think the local NG armorer's going to just let some random sperg finger his responsibility for science. LGS probably isn't going to be any more enthusiastic about a someone disassembling their $15k joke gun for funsies either.
Asked because it's not like handling a 249 period is normal for a random civilian, I don't know MG guts, and some guns legitimately are just weird because fuck you. Bare minimum it makes plenty of sense you don't want a mouse fart to set off your open bolt belt fed. I get the feeling a closed bolt semi only version probably doesn't need an 80 pound trigger though.