>>43830305
>but will keep excluding trans women and being weird and patronizing towards them.
All this text, just to say that you're bisexual?

>>43830343
Trans women are women, trans men aren't though.

>>43830343
Is it a shock that a "lesbian" is a political lesbian? And that afabs are bi/auto/meta-attracted so many choose "safe" no-plap routes? But then do? kek

>>43830348
No.

>>43830305
>attraction to men but only when they have a pussy
Errrr yeah, that's a transman, which is still female, but now they have a masculine element that makes their romantic life look more normative.

>>43830305
this butch mania is so forced it looks like a cia psyop. Like, where did it even came from

People have a feeling, vociferously refuse to examine it's source and meaning, instantly assume it's some kind of message from god, and imagine they're deep for following their nose like a blind dog in a pig pen.
You can't help them nona, I'm sorry you have so many people like that to deal with, it must feel terribly lonely and more than a little scary to know how few people you can trust to think past their own crotch

I have women wanting to sit on my face all the time. They don't ask me to be butch, they what my love Jones

>>43830359
Yes.

>>43830305
Corpo, is that you?
Insanely based whether you are or not, though!
Make a feminine trans girl out there very happy! :>

>>43830417
Absolutely no.

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>>43830305
>90% of lesbians nowadays are just larping, political lesbians that want so bad to be special but can't bring themselves to stop lusting for the closest thing to a man they can get to compromise with their larp.
I mean, gold star lesbians with like zero androphilia are fairly rare. most women open to dating women are bi, and bi women in general tend to still be predominantly drawn to masculinity. I do think there are more political lesbians than ever though unfortunately; the younger generations of men are genuinely so awful that a lot of younger women are swearing off of them of them completely, and that means that you get even more bi women who are essentially just looking for an unthreatening man / man with a pussy who will fulfill that role in the relationship. I do see fem4fem couples sometimes but only online, it seems pretty hard to find fems irl who actually want that :( every lesbian couple I've encountered irl has been butch4fem

>>43830305
>picrel
thats how she looks 2 years off T? holy shit im cooked

>>43830468
What is this image supposed to mean

>>43830305
the problem with cis lesbian communities is they're overrun with 30yo failed tradwives / asexuals preying on actual lesbians gaslighting their delusions of being more masculine. It's unironically the sad straight women causing this problem

>>43831094
Women want a man that's safe and "Queer".

Non-threatening boys (see: twunk) are always a thing. Evidently male but cutesy, pretty, and NOT willing to do anything but simp.

>>43830468
>I mean, gold star lesbians with like zero androphilia are fairly rare
Lies

How are transbians different? They're overwhelmingly submissive/bottoms who want a dominant woman.

>>43830370
actually very on brand, only now theyre rewriting that political lesbians tolerate masculinity in any capacity. political lesbians are notoriously fem4fem or are very chapstick. and theyre very easy to find since these types are cliquey. but op wouldnt really want that either because those types are terfs too

>>43831249
femme doesnt mean bottom and butch doesnt mean top, retard. this is dyke 101.

>>43831327
>political lesbians are notoriously fem4fem
I think our conception of political lesbians are very different

>>43831570
Trans women don't top! LOL
Especially not cis women

>>43831818
That's not true, it's definitely more rare but I've met a lot of trans women who top, never got the chance to be with one of them in person because it was mostly online and there's like no trans women where I live, but trans women do top cis women sometimes.

>>43831818
A trans girl took my anal virginity back when I was a teenage repper

>>43831818
Then how do transbian relationships work

>WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH ME!!!!!

>>43832030
Autism

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>>43831741
>conception
it’s perception btw

>>43830343
dumb repper

>>43830305
I'm personally not having any problems fucking lesbians.
t. ftm

>>43831818
i am a trans woman and i am a subswitch, so yeah i do top. with a strap on ofc my shit dont work atp and im not letting that gross thing get anywhere near a woman

>>43832531
typical men trying to invade womens spaces. stop fucking bisexuals as a moid and pretending to be a lesbian with others who pretend to be lesbians. its insulting.

My ex was bisexual who turned down my butch friend because she liked masculine men and feminine women. (She suspected I was gay but I'm just a repper)

>>43830305
>every time I hit it off with someone they always keep pressuring and pushing me into being more masculine, and when I don't do it they lose interest.
cisf chasers gonn chase
>100% convinced that 90% of lesbians nowadays are just larping, political lesbians that want so bad to be special but can't bring themselves to stop lusting for the closest thing to a man they can get to compromise with their larp.
I love women that stop falling for the gaslighting that women are wonderful and can do no harm
>Genuinely at this point I'm going the chaser route and dating exclusively trans women because I know for a fact from my personal experience that the lesbian ones ACTUALLY like women, regardless if they're butches or not, unfortunately there's very few trans women around me though.
huh dang, today I learned of a new non-shit reason to be a cisf chaser
yer a good one nona, hoping you make some girl happy (and vice versa), just don't hate on the others as long as they're not being harmful

>>43832591
He was just confirming OPs point. In the same way there are a lot of (closet) gay chasers who see transwomen as an acceptable compromise to being actually gay (and thus see transwomen as men) there are cis lesbians who see transmen as a type of butch to not grok with actually being straight (barely even bisexual).

Cis women sexuality is very similar to most transwomen sexuality with a huge focus on meta attraction, dating a women (who is usually a better partner than any cis man in every way) who can trigger meta attraction like making one feel safe, protected, small, weak and feminine is genuinely crack to these people.

There are obviously transmen who hate this because its basically dating someone who sees you as a larping woman. There are plenty who are fine with it though because (purely anecdotally) FTMs tend to have less dysphoria.

tldr cis les who date transmen are the same as cis gays who date transwomen

>>43830305
>genuinely it's even normalized even encouraged to fuck FTMs and transmascs now since they're close enough to butches

And some Ftms eat it up because "historically trans men were welcome to be lesbian spaces and identify with lesbian identity". Like they won't stop and think that hmmm, maybe, that was because of transphobia? They hear the buzzword "queer history" and refuse to think critically about why was the case that lesbians of all people wanted TRANS MEN in their spaces. Ffs.

>>43830305
>90% of lesbians nowadays are just larping, political lesbians that want so bad to be special but can't bring themselves to stop lusting for the closest thing to a man they can get
oh, thats why ftms are in demand. cause its fake lesbians. now i understand. yeah thats fucked up OP.

i wouldnt date a lesbian because i feel like they have way more power over me and itd be an unequal relationship but its nice to know theres one out there who isnt mean

>>43830305
My cents:
-I really wanted to embrace in myself a wholly butch identity, I really felt a very strong pull to butchness, but part of me bruised under that. There was a kind of multipotentiality that butchness was a good middle space of, I felt mostly fulfilled being able to signal myself as dependable, at your service, rowdy and loud but here to care.
-Honestly, I’ve dated a lot of femmes, but the most recent may have tomboy broken me somewhat, but idk really its not that I’ve stopped being butch, rather I’m holding on to butch and picking up femme a bit too.
-Its increasingly nice. I introduced this side of myself to my family, and they’ve been nothing but welcoming and understanding. They understand I need to mix it up, or I’m miserable. It’s not a commitment issue, its just a time under heaven for all things. This is just embodied drag.

>>43830305
>Genuinely at this point I'm going the chaser route and dating exclusively trans women
Ah so that was the point of the larp. And here I was wondering.

>>43830305
>butches are just like men
>but trannies with a whole-ass dick are women
op is not a lesbian, tranny hands wrote this

>>43833101
>t.pooner demanding to be let back into women's spaces

>>43832900
you are confusing transgender with transexual. AFAB transmascs don't mind being seen as queer women. The transgender umbrella is a big catch all term, transsexuals are the ones who truly try to change their sex which inherently means more or less fitting into the sex/gender binary.

If you start separating transgender from transsexual it becomes a lot easier to not crash out over people being different from you. You don't need GD to transition, if people do it they are factually transgender no matter why they did it, like the incels who transition to join the 'matriarchy'.

Transexuals actually want to be men or women

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I don't know why society is so obsessed fighting femininity in men when masculinity in women is far worse

Happy trail

>>43830348
Get raped and turned straight by an ftm. Me inshallah

>>43832900
THIS! THIS!!!

>>43830305
>90% of cis lesbians are fake lesbians, unlike lesbian trans women who are 100% true lesbians
That's a bit funny, I never expected to hear this once in my life

>>43832591
No, I don't pretend to be a lesbian, I just fuck them

>>43833170
Projections are all you've got so I'll leave you to them.

>>43834505
you fuck bisexual fake dyke women, anon.

>>43835072
Most lesbians still want men deep down and being a trans man makes them more open to being dykebroken by you

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>>43830305
+1
especially sucks to be on the other side of the equation as a trans woman since everyone wants me to be 'butch' (aka act like the man of the relationship)

>>43830305
This is such a LARP but the hatred for femme people exists everywhere

>>43835143
I don't believe you when you probably take feminine aesthetics to mean that a person should always be a bottom and always be a useless babyfied leech, believing that masc4masc is ok but fem4fem is impossible

>>43835081
And then people act shocked I don't want people like this in lesbian spaces. Fuck you

>>43835216
I'm not in lesbian spaces, just in their bedrooms

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>>43835212
No, I don't have such reductive views on femininity, It's a bit much to put into text without being a blog-post but literally every woman i have dated has either wanted me to stop taking HRT and just date them 'normally' or has explicitley tried to get me to act more masculine because it just didn't 'feel right' otherwise to them. :/

>>43835081
No, they want a female
They want something familiar and isn't scary and won't seed them because their fear is a male who wants to build a family and force her into a lifestyle of responsibilities

>>43835260
Right, and you use this to your advantage and then force her into a straight lifestyle anyway

If you're feminine there's simply nothing moral or respectable about you, there's an inherent sin to a feminine person's existence

>>43835081
>Most lesbians still want men deep down
how do you not realize this makes them not a lesbian. congrats, you really are a real moid because your so fucking retarded.

>>43835461
"Real lesbians" functionally do not exist then

>>43835381
> t. moid faggot
forcefem all moids.

God shes hot imagine the pegging

>>43835479
i am a lesbian and i have no interest in men. in fact im revolted by them. now what, retard.

>>43835868
Larp

>>43835381
Nothing moral or respectable about masctards either

>>43835544
It's the core belief in our culture. Even in your post you associate it with revoked consent and wrongdoing.

>>43835910
Except they're good and capable enough people to exist independently, while you only exist to be their property and to be dominated by them

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>>43835877
at this point its hard to not realize that this was all just ragebait. you got me ig

>>43836100
butch doesnt mean top and femme doesnt mean bottom how many times must this be repeated...

>>43832531
>ftm
So you're a woman having sex with other women?

>>43836725
Sure ;) if it makes you feel better

>>43836620
This isn't ragebait I'm genuinely so frustrated with the state of things rn

>>43836639
Most butches I know are fucking pillow princesses

>>43835081
A trans man is something less than a man and less than a woman

>>43836951
You have a pussy, nobody will ever view you a man

>>43837202
Where you at? Are you single?

>>43837213
I find chopped off tits and body hair a turn off sorry. I'm into femmes only, not mentally ill butches

>>43836963
i wasnt even talking to you nona get a grip and read everything back

>>43835916
You fascinate me. You correctly identify that misogyny is a core belief in "our culture", but you treat it as if it's morally neutral or even correct rather than the abomination it actually is.
All people, of either gender, should be feminine. Toxic masculinity must be eradicated. Women are amazing and deserve to be treated better.

>>43837433
It won't matter if you're turned on or not

>>43837492
ftm rapist is crazy lmao
truly proving you're just like other moids
>>43837202
I view him as a man. see above.

>>43837492
i hope you get raped

>>43837492
Sorry sister, that shit isn't intimidating in the slightest when you don't have a dick lol

>>43837450
Nothing amazing about modern women, they aren't even feminine to begin with

>>43837625
You're just mad we won't give you sex lmao
Women as friends are incredible and caring and nice and if you had some it would cure your retardation.

>>43837637
It's not even about sex it's more about the fact that vaguely pretending to be nice is easy but as soon as the relationship requires anything more than that they just shut it down

>>43837668
I'm sorry if that's been your experience, it hasn't been mine at all, and I don't think you should generalise it towards all modern women like that.

>>43837501
>truly proving you're just like other moids
People will one day accept that trans men can be as dangerous as cis men in the secrecy of a household, because they have the brain of a cis man

>>43837680
As long as society continues letting AFABs do whatever they want with no consequences, as well as promoting toxic values among them (while also cracking down on AMABs at the same time), I will continue to generalize because it's mostly accurate and helps me protect myself from bad faith actors

>>43837739
>As long as society continues letting AFABs do whatever they want with no consequences
80% of shareholders, billionaires and statespeople are cis men
Is it an AFAB who is currently heading the US towards a massive crisis, and the world towards WW3 solely based on whims and ego trips?

>>43837784
Don't really care about the gender of figureheads
Actual elites are wealthy clans which have been controlled by both men and women, though women usually assume indirect control
Regardless of that, 99% of society is forced to live under culture created not to fit the well being of said society, but the top 1%, and toxic "femininity" is a useful tool in that

>>43837733
truth nuke we should round up and kill all trans men along with the cis men
>>43837784
afabs can do whatever they want in queer spaces because they are the high and mighty vagina havers, and men ruin every other space.

>>43837733
Yeah, absolutely. Trans men know what it's like to be on the receiving end of misogyny so most of them have a special sympathy for women that most cis men don't (but could), others just want to perpetuate the cycle of violence as long as they can be on the other side.
>>43837739
>AFABs, AMABs
So you're not just a misogynist, but a transphobe, too. A categorical dumbass.
If you ever want to grow a bit as a person and understand why feminine men and trans women get treated like shit, I recommend familiarising yourself with Serano's theories. And no, it's not because of some "AFAB privilege" or whatever bullshit 2014 MGTOWs sold to you. Patriarchy-compliant cis men have it ten times better than normal cis women.
Read her theories and form an opinion. Agree, disagree, either way, read them.

>>43837607
It's not supposed to be intimidating, I'm just saying

>>43836639
>>43837018
That's not what the culture believes in

>>43837881
So women control every aspect of society, don't need to feel shame, yet for some reason need to hide behind men to achieve world domination? This doesn't make sense.
The fact that (cis) men hold money and power significantly more than women do just proves that (cis) men are systemically privileged, reaching for "a shadowy withhold of power by women" is based on nothing at all

>>43837901
>kill all trans men and cis men
If your first solution which springs to mind is to kill all of your ennemies, then you are as deranged as the men you pretend to hate
>they are the high and mighty vagina havers
You speak like an incel

>>43837939
I'd also add that to *some* trans men, being misogynistic is gender affirming to them, even more so towards trans women since no cis person will acknowledge that it was misogyny.

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>>43830305
Society at large values masculinity more than femininity because men generate profit better than women do. This is why women are encouraged to stay on the pill (removes the threat of pregnancy from the equation, biggest impediment to women generating profit), go to therapy and get medicated (to combat the stress and anxiety from being forced into a role not meant for them), and why FtM transsexuals overtook MtF transsexuals by such a huge margin (by some estimates pooners now outnumber trannies by as much as 2 to 1). There is nothing society hates more than a feminine woman because it is a complete and total rejection of capitalist society to abandon the corporate rat race and be at peace with yourself or God forbid start a family. Look at how society talks about stay at home mothers if you want any indication about how society feels about women. This includes other women, by the way, who perpetuate misogyny more than anyone else.

>>43838051
To add onto this, this is why society is so harsh toward trannies but sympathetic toward pooners. For a man to abandon his role as a sperm donor and eternal laborer is heresy. For a woman to abandon her womb and seek to become yet another cog in the corporate machine is a good thing. FtMs typically are more likely to have a traditional job and not just be a prostitute like trannies usually are.

>>43838020
> So women control every aspect of society, don't need to feel shame, yet for some reason need to hide behind men to achieve world domination?
Yeah it's the joooos the women joooos control the world it's the women joooos, simultaneously subhuman and inferior, and somehow so powerful as to control the world!
>t. Sandman the MGTOW Youtuber

> If your first solution which springs to mind is to kill all of your ennemies, then you are as deranged as the men you pretend to hate
Of course she's deranged, society treats trans women like such dog shit that trans women develop severe mental illnesses. Give her a little more compassion :(
> You speak like an incel
I think she's being satirical, why are you immeditely jumping to calling a trans woman a very male-coded insult? Do you think we don't see what you're doing?! You're not entitled to revoke her woman card just because she said something you don't like.

>I'd also add that to *some* trans men, being misogynistic is gender affirming to them,
Sounds about right...
> no cis person will acknowledge that it was misogyny.
I am not so sure about this. It could also just be that they see it as an intra-community fight and feel that they shouldn't get involved. Unless it's a theyfab playing the "real woman small uwu bean" to say the most disgusting transmisogynistic dumpster fire imaginable and validate existing transphobia. If a "trans" person says it, after all, it has to be true! Just like when Candace Owens spreads anti-black propaganda. If a black woman is saying it, surely she wouldn't undermine her own community...

>>43838104
Hmmm... I think you're close but I think Serano's theory provide a better explanation than the theory you've presented. I recommend you familiarise yourself with them if you haven't done so yet. You do make some interesting points about how capitalism might influence misogyny and transphobia.

>>43838137
The end goal of late-stage capitalism is complete uniformity but perceived diversity. A population that exists under the pretense that everyone feels like they're part of some special group or tribe but in reality they are all interchangeable pawns with the end goal of extracting as much wealth and labor from each individual as possible. Having women act more like men is part of this. It all started with the adoption of dual-income households being the norm.

>>43838205
Not all of it is necessarily a bad thing. I think you have some bioessentialist views you should work on. This was evident in your post when you claimed working a normal job was "a role not meant for us".

>>43838109
>Give her a little more compassion :(
Maybe I was too harsh yes, sorry for that :/
>why are you immeditely jumping to calling a trans woman a very male-coded insult?
I'm sorry, I have autism so I didn't see the sarcasm; I thought it was just a troll pretending to be a trans woman to make us seem like violent incels.
>It could also just be that they see it as an intra-community fight and feel that they shouldn't get involved
I've heard multiple testimonies of trans men raping, abusing some trans women, and when the latter calls him out, her cis friends call her a liar and dump her. See >>43827967

>>43838221
I believe women should have the choice between having a family or pursuing a career. Modern feminism is trying to rob women of that choice by demonizing stay at home moms, calling women who are happily married pickmes, and expecting all households to have a dual income to afford to live. All the while still expecting women to have children while also trying to juggle a full-time career. Nobody on planet Earth is wired to work at a full-time job and also raise a child effectively, there literally is not enough time to do so.

>>43838051
LGBT culture's gone so far off the fucking rails you're now saying feminine people can't have jobs

>>43838020
>then you are as deranged as the men you pretend to hate
i dont take part in cultivating rape culture like men do or abuse women like men do or sexual harass women like men do. being violent is just the one thing we have in common. and im ok with that.
>You speak like an incel
im not serious retard, its mocking transmisogynistic afabs. if you say afabs arent the front of transmisogyny your lying to my face. obviously not all afabs are like that, but most are. its a genuine problem and im not gonna let you pretend its not and call me misogynist when i place women (both cis and trans) as most important. i just wish afabs would stop slapping me in the face. and yes afab and woman are two different things so dont even try shoving any words into my mouth.
>being misogynistic is gender affirming to them, even more so towards trans women since no cis person will acknowledge that it was misogyny.
i didnt even have to explain my hatred then, you already know.

>>43838309
Working a full-time job has always been viewed as a masculine trait. Just a couple decades ago women would wear platform shoes and shoulder pads to appear more masculine. This makes sense because men carry almost no reproductive burden and women carry an immense amount of reproductive burden. Men can have a family and career, women must choose one or the other. Choosing a career is a masculine choice to make.

>>43838247
wait what you actually came to understand me and take back something you said that was ironically incredibly transmisogynistic? thats a first. sorry for calling you a retard in my last post.

>>43838247
> Maybe I was too harsh yes, sorry for that :/
> I'm sorry, I have autism so I didn't see the sarcasm
Aww, well thank you for being open to introspection, sister :)
> us
I didn't realise you were one too, I can't read these fucking flags
> I've heard multiple testimonies of trans men raping, abusing some trans women, and when the latter calls him out, her cis friends call her a liar and dump her. See >>43827967
Yeah. It's really scary to think that they can always retreat into their "uwu I'm just a small bean woman" to rape and abuse trans women and then amabjacket them. I read about a girl who was assaulted with a wrench and when the police came they took the uwu small bean's word over hers... her charges were dismissed but did they bother to charge the uwu small bean? Nope! Of fucking course not. I think (and hope) this stops being the case later in transition, when the trans woman starts looking like a woman and the moid starts looking like a moid.
Although you may get mad at me like you did our sister for saying this, trans moids who do this deserve to be killed. All rapists do, really, but especially the ones who do this.
>>43838281
Choosing the chains doesn't mean you are free. Real liberation is for domestic duties and childcare to be split 50/50 between men and women, both of whom have careers and financial independence.
>>43838334
> obviously not all afabs are like that, but most are
Are you talking about the ones who call themselves that, or literally just "most" people who happened to be assigned female at birth?
>>43838337
Again, I am fascinated.
>Men can have a family and career, women must choose one or the other
You assert this, you recognise this repugnant inequality, yet treat it as morally neutral or correct instead of something desperately in need of being fixed.

>>43838402
>Are you talking about the ones who call themselves that, or literally just "most" people who happened to be assigned female at birth?
the kind of people who call themselves afab obv. being afab isnt inherently evil. its the people who weaponize afab and amab and use their identification with "afab" to harm trans women.

>>43838465
Then I agree with you 100%.

>>43838402
>having my left arm chained is okay if my right arm has a different chain on it!
You are a victim of the same programming I am talking about. I'm sorry.

>>43838402
>I didn't realise you were one too
haha, did you believe I was a cis woman?
>I can't read these fucking flags
Drag your cursor onto the flag, its title will appear

>>43838486
I'd rather work for a corporation that's bound by labour laws than have a husband beat and rape me in the secrecy of a household and be left homeless and penniless if I leave him due to not having a job of my own.
>>43838489
Yes, I thought you were a cis woman!
>your cursor
I'm on mobile tonight.

>>43838489
i wanna apologize for being so aggressive at first ive just been taught to do so overtime as a tranny and i didnt realize i was talking to a sister who actually understood me and didnt just want me demonized and dead. i love all you girls from the bottom of my heart, seriously. stay safe yall

>>43838513
>errrmmm you're doing a heckin' bioessentialism sweaty
>also all men are violent rapists
Congratulations, you're part of the problem.

>>43838546
Point out to me where I said "all".
And even if I had said that, which I didn't, it wouldn't have to be "bio", it coud be the result of socialisation and upbringing.

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>>43838334
>if you say afabs arent the front of transmisogyny your lying to my face
See picrel: the media mostly owned by men just love putting women (cis and detrans) in front of their business to lambast women, because it is more effective for a woman than for a man to say that trans women are a direct threat to women.

>>43838546
>>43838563
inb4 Dumbass here replies "it's abused women's fault, they should've picked a better man!"
You don't know if a given man is an abusive moid rapist until it's too late. They all put on a mask first. And if you knew many women you'd know a lot of us have seen this happen in real time.

>>43838565
See below.
>>43838465

>>43838519
I love you too sister
>ive just been taught to do so overtime as a tranny
You shouldn't be agressive ever, it would just make you miserable and sad inside

>>43838608
Oh I see, I call them hefabs - theyfabs, but thank you for the clarification :)

>>43838563
>oh no, i've been caught being a hypocrite!
>quick, deploy the buzzwords!
Men are several times more likely to be the victim of violent crime than women are. Violent crime, including sexual crimes, have been on a steady decline for decades in America. You are a victim of delusion, not a victim of male violence.

>>43838655
> I don't actually care about women, I was just trying to derail a discussion about violence against women
ok moid
> I don't know what words mean so I'm gonna call them buzzwords!
it's not hypocrisy to recognise a tendency for moids to be misogynistic and violent. hypocrisy would've been for me to claim that this is inherent to the condition of being a man. which it's not. you are this way because you're taught to be. there's a minority of men who aren't like that and whom I very much appreciate.

>>43838609
>it would just make you miserable and sad inside
it only does a little bit, but its hard to not automatically resort to aggression when aggression is all you get ;-;
>>43838655
can you shut the fuck up bruh
>Men are several times more likely to be the victim of violent crime than women are
yeah cause they cant help but stab and shoot each other like mindless apes
>You are a victim of delusion, not a victim of male violence.
pretending the entire world isnt a victim of male violence is fucking crazy but at the same time also what >>43838686 said

>>43838686
>>43838712
>i'm going to start calling you a moid because you're making too much sense and i don't like it!!!!

>>43838862
you need therapy.
your garbage is riddled with formal fallacies and you're grasping at straws to dismiss what I'm saying.

>>43838712
>its hard to not automatically resort to aggression when aggression is all you get
I relate to that yes, but the more you contain yourself, the happier you will get and the less "automatic" it will get.

>>43838879
> formal fallacies
this is the opposite of "making too much sense", by the way. before you call it "buzzwords" because you're too dumb to understand.

>>43838896
>the more you contain yourself
by redirecting it into something which relaxes you

>>43838896
I agree with this if "not being aggressive" means ignoring bait and not interacting with it, but not if it means being nice to bigots.

>>43838879
I'm literally advocating for women to lead happier lives where they get the freedom to choose whatever life path they want. I guess that means I do need therapy to deprogram that silliness out of me and join the flock in thinking everyone should be a wageslave.

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>>43838862
get a load of this guy

>>43838962
"women should be free to chain themselves"
ok. if you wanna have the same argument a second time, feel free to just scroll up.

>>43838991
Your solution is literally to have women chain themselves too, just in a different way. Remember when I mentioned one of the goals of late-stage capitalism is for everyone to believe they are part of a distinct in-group despite the fact they're all being pushed to one homogenous identity?

>>43839037
> ok. if you wanna have the same argument a second time, feel free to just scroll up.
> I'd rather work for a corporation that's bound by labour laws than have a husband beat and rape me in the secrecy of a household and be left homeless and penniless if I leave him due to not having a job of my own.
> Real liberation is for domestic duties and childcare to be split 50/50 between men and women, both of whom have careers and financial independence.

You are just completely out of touch with women's reality. More than half of my girl friends have been victims of sexual violence. Many of us watched our fathers abuse our mothers in some way, at the very least we watched our mothers be stuck with most of the work while our fathers got to relax, and we'd rather stay alone than suffer through the same ourselves.

>>43839084
>one of the goals of late-stage capitalism is for everyone to believe they are part of a distinct in-group despite the fact they're all being pushed to one homogenous identity

>>43839111
Why bother arguing with someone who thinks he already knows everything?

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>>43839084
>being a wagie is empowerment!
waow

>>43839128
If everyone around you looks like a sheep, chances are you are part of the flock and not a shepherd. You are advocating for women to have less choice. A woman should be allowed to bow out of the corporate meat grinder if she wants to focus on having a family. A woman should be allowed to have a child and work a job even if it's obviously severely detrimental to their physical and mental health (see: the paradox of female happiness). A woman should be allowed to fully pursue their career and not have a family at all. You are advocating for less choices for women when you say they should all be forced to generate capital to prove their worth to society when having a child should be more than enough proof of their dedication to the human species.

>>43839084
For one thing you aren't actually a woman

>>43839455
kys, moid
you don't get to dictate to us who is and isn't a woman. we're setting ourselves free from you.

can someone explain to me how this all relates to OP's post

>>43839580
Cis lesbians do want to be free from you

>>43839631
We don't

>>43839613
I said that so many women have become butches because society values masculinity more than femininity and somehow that enraged some of the people here despite the fact we operate under a patriarchy.

>>43837018
Wrong

>>43839706
<3
You shut him up real fast

>>43836620
>needy streamer overload pic
your opinion does not matter

>>43838051
>>43838104
I think most of what you said is right but if society hates femininity so much then why are straight masc women so hard to come by? Me personally I'm bisexual and like a relationship where the gender roles are swapped (woman is the masculine leader who works a job and pays the bills while the man is a stay at home pretty maid)

But women who actually like this dynamic are damn near impossible to find, even online. And it's often confused with the femdom kink instead of being a real relationship dynamic. Even when I think I finally found a woman who likes this dynamic, they end up saying some bullshit that just shows themselves as being feminine.

Is it only socially acceptable for lesbian women to be masc? And is also just the current popular grift? Because no offensive to women but I find it hard to believe women actually want to be masc with how impossible it has been for me to find a masc straight (or bisexual) woman, and straight people are supposed to be the most common and easiest to find yet I have not found one real straight masc woman yet.

>>43840678
>straight masc women so hard to come by?
What is your definition of "masc"? Most modern women act very masculine, at least in America. I'm a cis male and I have longer hair than most women I know, cis or trans. Most of them walk around wearing jeans or pants and a hoodie or T-shirt. Most prioritize their career and independence over family and community. Plenty hate being a woman and cope by calling themselves a she/they.

>>43831891
theyre claiming to be tops in order to attract you. once youre dating them theyll no longer want you to even glance at their penis

>>43841150
Our definitions of masc woman seems pretty different

>wearing jeans or pants and a hoodie or T-shirt
I don't think fashion effects your masculinity very much, girls wearing jeans and t-shirts have been a thing since early 2000s I think, maybe even 1990s.
>Most prioritize their career and independence over family and community.
Just them being feminist, which isn't exactly being masc but is a part of it (by my definition).
>Plenty hate being a woman and cope by calling themselves a she/they.
Probably the most masc thing lol

I think what makes a woman masc is if they're assertive, how they flirt and talk with someone they like, if their hobbies/career is predominantly male, if they're a top in bed, if they like having a effeminate partner, if they like doing challenging things, working a job while their partner takes care of their house.

Basically having characteristics that for decades has been associated with the ideal man in a relationship.

umm tldr anyone..

>>43830305
Is this deja vu? I know I’ve read this exact post before here but no one else is calling it out.

>>43842580
OP is saying most modern cis lesbian women are straight women in search for a safe man (butch, transmasc, trans man) to date

>>43840678
>>43842153
I used to have a bi friend who sounds perfect for you lol, so keep looking, anon, I'm sure the right girl is out there somewhere and you can make each other happy.
Beware, though, the assertive kind of woman you want is not going to put up with misogyny and these regressive views that the guy you "think most of what he said is right" has. I think hating femininity is going to give most women the ick even if they are not feminine themselves. It simply not being what you're looking for is fine, of course, but it sounds like you speak of it with contempt.
And yeah, it's only socially acceptable for lesbian women to be masc, in so far as it's socially acceptable to be lesbian at all (it might be more like you're already doing things you're not "supposed to" according to patriarchy anyway so why not do even more of them). As far as I know, gender policing is a significant problem in cishet circles and the masc women you speak of suffer as a result :(

This thread already died out but I'll write my message still if anyone cares lol

>>43844366
>keep looking anon
Thanks I try lol, I'm not really putting myself out there anymore though, feels too embarrassing so I'm just waiting until I find someone I like. My success in dating has been tragic though
>the woman you want is not going to put up with misogyny
I read my replies after posting them last night and realized my wording came off a bit misogynistic sorry, I've always been pretty bad with words lol.
But I'm not a misogynist and I support feminist values, if I didn't support feminism I don't think I would like masc women in the first place.
>but it sounds like you speak of it with contempt.
I'm okay with feminine women they're allowed to be feminine just like I'm allowed to be a feminine man.
However I dislike women who hate a woman or man for being masculine/feminine because its against the idea of feminism that women are equal to men and that gender roles shouldn't be a thing.
>gender policing is a significant problem in cishet circles and the masc women you speak of suffer as a result
yeah, I feel like its a problem that rarely gets addressed.

I might have a little contempt considering I dated a woman before who told me shes masc only for me to realize later on she is mostly feminine and wanted a "feminine for feminine" relationship with me instead of a "masc for feminine" relationship. With how impossible its been for me to find a hetero masc woman it could probably turn me frustrated with feminine women, but I don't mind them if they just mind their own business.

Heres some proof that hetero women doing something that was historically considered masculine in a relationship is frowned upon by most people in society, even by quote on quote "feminists": https://files.catbox.moe/f40pt1.mp4
OG link: https://www.tiktok.com/@the_dadvocate/video/7446411487448517919

I uploaded it externally because 4chan doesn't allow videos over 4 mb sorry.

>>43830305
If.you arnt butch then you arnt lesbian. Simple as that. No one wants your pillow princess ass

>>43846458
If butches don't want femmes then us femboys can take them

>>43846754
Lesbians obviously don't want guys either

>>43846825
If you can't have gay femme4femme then straight femme4femme is the next best thing

I'm very feminine, but I really don't want to be a woman. I like being a little feminine gay man dancing around in dresses in front of butch gay men. I like making their dick hard and I like having a nice boner

>>43846825
I have plenty of luck with lesbians. Most arnt cunts with the souls of Republican boomers

>>43846431
Yeah, I get it. At the same time, your perfect knight in shining armour won't just show up randomly at your doorstep, you need to do something to seek her out. Maybe you could try the kind of hobbies masculine women might enjoy (which is not to say that ONLY masculine women can enjoy them, of course), like martial arts or competitive gaming. I think meeting someone organically might work out better than the things you've tried, I don't know.
> my wording came off wrong, I support feminist values
Ok, that's good. :)
> I dislike women who are complicit in the patriarchal enforcement of gender roles
Yeah... who doesn't? I don't hate them as much as I hate the men who do the same, because they are not just perpetrators but also victims, but I don't like them either.
> I was tricked by a liar
Come on, don't hate all of us just because one of us lied to you :(
Honestly, I wouldn't count on finding a "hetero masc woman". It is genuinely a part of female heterosexuality to be aroused by being the feminine and submissive partner. Bisexual women are your best shot at finding a masc woman, I think. Since you said you're bi yourself, you might even meet them in LGBT groups!

I don't need to see this "proof", I'm well aware of how some women, especially conservative ones, are complicit in the gender policing of other women. Not every woman who calls herself a feminist is *good* at feminism either, even if she genuinely wants to be a feminist. There's also people who call themselves "feminist" but are not feminist at all, like the so-called trans-exclusionary radical femnists, who are just conservatives. In the same way, "the dadvocate" is a propagandist. She wants to sell you a certain narrative but she's just a transphobic piece of shit. She seriously made the argument that if you hate men you have to hate trans women. You can't take her seriously.

>>43846458
femme does not equal bottom and butch does not equal top

>>43847155
Anyone who isnt a switch is satan

>>43847166
You mean nearly every single woman is Satan?