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Does something like this exist in Western literature? An amoral main character with no sympathetic qualities, yet whom you're still supposed to root for?
All the examples I can think of a "villain protagonist" either are actually an anti-hero, or you're waiting for his downfall.
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Bakkers Prince of Nothing
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You've been shilling this shit for YEARS now.
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you're describing one i read a few months ago... Beyond Redemption. it was alright
it's a common enough trope. you'd probably know this if you actually read.
crazy how a MTL'd webseries flipped the world of literature on its head for you though. i wish i were that fucking stupid
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>>25176390
>i wish i were that fucking stupid
why? seems like an odd thing to wish for
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>>25176393
are you fucking kidding me? read flowers for algernon or something
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>>25176394
you can't just tell me to read a book on /lit/, anon
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>>25176367
Against Nature
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>>25176398
ignorance is bliss. do you not remember being a child? this morning? eating the lucky charms your mom bought? fuck you nigger
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>>25176402
wow, that was uncalled for
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>>25176403
sorry i was just kidding
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>>25176382
This, right down to the cultivation arc and abrupt and disappointing ending.
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>another innocent youth insta-mindbroken by a Chinese webnovel
We need to ban them.
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Western retards are too stupid to separate works of fiction from their social mores. The bad guy is bad and is not to be rooted for under any circumstances. If you root for the bad guy, you are most probably confused and lacking the media literacy necessary to understand that he is meant to be bad. Otherwise, you must be a bad guy yourself.

Unless you give the character a sad backstory. Then he dindu nuffin.
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>>25176367
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>>25176469
You think you're fucking hilarious
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>>25176444
ccp already did
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>>25176367
Pop. 1208 by Jim Thompson
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>>25176367
No. There is nothing like it in Western literature, even in the East, in China it was banned. It's one of a kind.
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>>25176402
Most of the redditards on here are ignorant.
I don't think you want to be like them
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>>25176367
>Does something like this exist in Western literature?
Western... Wuxia? Yeah. Cradle series.
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>>25178199
neither is wuxia
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>Reverend Insanity isn't Wuxia
Okay, dipshit.
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>>25178513
Yeah, it literally isn't. You should really look up the terms you don't know before trying to use them.
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>>25178515
Is it primarily about daoist cultivation in a fantasy setting?
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>>25178517
Yes, which isn't what wuxia means. Stop doubling down when a google search just takes 5 seconds, you stupid fucking retard.
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>>25178517
It's xianxia. Wuxia is just a shitty chinese drama.
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>>25178521
No one cares about making the distinction between Wuxia and Xianxia here, Chang. No one here gives a shit.
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>>25178530
>finally realizes he's wrong
>"w-well, no one cares"
I didn't expect the apology I deserve for wasting my time, but holy shit. Actual fucking nigger behavior.
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>>25178530
What do you care about then?
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>>25178548
You're not a chink and you thought you know the term, is it that hard to believe one doesn't need to be a chink to get it right?
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>>25178555
You do have to be a chink to care about this shit enough to ensure that it gets posted multiple times a day, every day for the rest of time, yes.
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>>25178561
not your boyfriend, whatever the fuck you're talking about. Take your meds.
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>>25178561
Fang Yuan is too based. It would be a crime not to post in your cucked western literature threads every day, to remind you just how based he is.
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>>25176367
The Eyes of the Overworld by Jack Vance. Quite possibly the funniest book I've ever read and I intend to reread it this year. You don't need to read the previous book to get it, the real appeal is Cugel and the situations he gets into, not the setting.

The Iron Dream by Norman Spinrad also probably counts. The main character is a genocidal maniac but he's worshipped as a hero within the story. It's a very underrated book that was obviously the inspiration behind the Starship Troopers movie adaption but nobody talks about it.

I think Michael Moorcock had some explicit villain protagonists in his books but I haven't read enough by him to say. Elric is pretty unlikable but he does save the universe from time to time.
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>>25176367
My book, when I finish it.
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>>25178689
When will that be?
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>>25178832
never o'clock
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>>25178860
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>>25176404
If I were you I wouldn't be kidding. Anon needed a thrashing.
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The greatest work of the 21st century.
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>>25178199
Cradle is a parody, it's not a serious xianxia novel.
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>>25179545
I. Don't. Care.
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>>25179736
Agreed. Cr*dle is a terrible series. We shouldn't even discuss it.
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>>25179545
So is Reverend Insanity, though that fact is generally lost on western readers.
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>>25179990
Currently reading it, have not read other chinkshit, and I think it's hilarious.
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>>25179990
To be honest, reading any translated Chinese text without at least cursory knowledge of random cultural artifacts is difficult. Every other sentence is an idiom or a reference to an obscure (in the west) piece of classical poetry or literature. Every saying, or even word, has multiple readings which are often intentionally baked in. Most languages have these features, but few use them so often.

This is made worse by people who see that RI is popular and read it without knowing anything about Xianxia in general.
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>>25178600
The ending is so fucking funny, I really need to re-read that book.
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>>25180151
>reading any translated Chinese text without at least cursory knowledge of random cultural artifacts is difficult. Every other sentence is an idiom or a reference to an obscure (in the west) piece of classical poetry or literature. Every saying, or even word, has multiple readings which are often intentionally baked in.
Maybe classical Chinese texts are like that, but most modern writing isn't that deep.
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>>25180507
That’s just how the language is even in casual conversation. Every other phrase is an idiom. Classical texts are far worse
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>>25180723
>Every other phrase is an idiom.
Of course it's not, lol
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>>25181185
you are a frog in a well
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>>25181210
You are courting death!
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Perfume by Suskind sort of
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>>25181295
>sus
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>>25181295
I read Perfume, it's not the same.
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>>25179990
While it is parody of certain elements of Chinese culture, it also contains many original ideas.
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I've got a question: why hasn't R.C. Waldun uploaded a video for almost 12 days now?
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>>25185851
He got banned by ALP.
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>>25176367
Just go to Reddit or Amazon and look for female erotica novels under the genre "Dark Romance"
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AHAHAHA
Fuck you Reverend insanity fags, it’ll
Never be finished, you will never get your ending. All those thousands of chapters for nothing!
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>>25187460
Perhaps the along the way
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This entire genre of "literature" is nihilistic as fuck.
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>>25187859
I've read plenty with moralfag MCs
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>>25176367
No
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>>25178600
I like elric.
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>>25176389
proof?
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>>25189770
Trust me bro
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>>25176382
cool
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>>25176382
It's very different novel
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>>25176444
Ban what? Chinese webnovels or the innocent youth?
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>>25176367
Pretty much every decadent novel.
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>>25194423
Reverend Insanity is peak literature, it is not decadent.
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>>25178600
>does a oppsie and kills the entire village via failing a curse ritual
>he saves the girl
>they travel together across the continent
>he sells her into slavery at first opportunity
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>>25195324
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>>25195324
This is bait, right?
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>>25196731
Do you think that it's decadent? Why?
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>>25196734
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decadent_movement
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>>25196738
>an aesthetic ideology of excess and artificiality
Not that anon, but how is Reverend Insanity like that at all?
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>>25196742
>>Does something like this exist in Western literature? An amoral main character with no sympathetic qualities, yet whom you're still supposed to root for?
>Pretty much every decadent novel.
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>>25196731
RIspammer has been doing this since 2019.
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>>25196748
Why do you randomly assume I'm talking about a post from a day ago?
This guy >>25196734
asked if you think RI is decadent, and got that wikipedia link as response.
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>>25196748
>An amoral main character
>with no sympathetic qualities
Ambitious, competent, hard working are sympathetic qualities
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>>25196942
>Ambitious, competent, hard working
How does that apply to des Esseintes or other protagonists of decadent novels?
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>>25196962
I don't think it does, and that's another reason why Reverend Insanity cannot be considered decadent.
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>>25187460
It's forever ongoing
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>>25176367
No. There is nothing like it.
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>>25176367
The Darth Plagueis novel, weirdly enough.
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>>25176382
>>25176389
>He's breaking containment
At least stay out here, we don't want you back.
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>>25201121
No, take him back to /sffg/ please.
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>>25196738
Thank you for spoonfeeding me.
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The Beggar's Opera, by John Gay (friend of Jonathan Swift), and its remake the Threepenny Opera, by Brecht. Part of the humor in each work is that the audience is expected, due to convention, to root for the protagonist, Captain Macheath, or Mac the Knife, and want him to have a happy ending, even though he has zero redeeming qualities but we keep getting told how much we should love him
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>>25201121
Bakkerfag and RIfag should kill each other off for the betterment of /lit/.
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>>25176382
If you have to recommend genre slop, at least reach for Cugel here. Although he is a bit of a mix since we root for him despite his being hedonist with no conscience who sells a woman into sex slavery for directions, we also derive considerable Schadenfreude from his misery, and his defeat at the end of the first book is as satisfying as his victory at the end of the second
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>>25203500
Reverend Insanity is more or less anti-hedonist.
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>>25176367
Is this that one chinese fetish story about a guy who turns men into women so he feels less gay about lusting over them?
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>>25204753
He has no issues with homosexuality (including becoming a homosexual himself) as long as it is beneficial to goals.
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>>25204753
>Lord of the Mysteries
Not really about that, but does seem the be the authors fetish
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>>25206586
this isn’t true though
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>>25204753
His rival gets turned into a woman, but it's played for laughs and he's into her. He holds the key to turning him back so he uses it to order him around.
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Yellow by Aron Beauregard. It's splatterpunk so its really nasty but the main character gets wronged horribly and gets an equally vile revenge but is so fucked up I hesitate to call him an anti-hero.
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>>25209054
*he's NOT into her, fuck
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>>25209207
He may not be into her for romantic purposes but they do dual cultivate together (because it gives him benefits TM), and it leaves bai ning bing trembling, screaming, and moaning in bed.
The author definitely has a fetish for this sort of thing, there's way too many characters who get sex changed. Then there's the gay orgy arc and when the (male) leader of the inkmen becomes pregnant
For those of you unfamiliar with reverend insanity inkmen are a variant species of humans, it's not explicitly mentioned but they are basically described as being black people lmao
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>>25209983
She is his waifu
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>>25178600
Starship troopers as a movie has almost nothing to do with the book.
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>>25212320
What does that opinion have to do with anything I posted?
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Even a basic bitch good-but-ruthless Xianxia mc induces pearl clutching and moral outrage.
The west simply isn’t ready to put morality to the side when reading fiction.
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>>25212404
Western literature is irrelevant. Nobody cares about it anymore.

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