>>25189230
Don't forget next time
Morning Throners: https://www.youtube.com/@morningthroners9263

Young Giff mysterious identity?
>actually Aegon VI himself
>He originally from House Longwater
>Brightflame cadet pretender
>Pertender noble trace from Jaehaerys I daughters who fled narrow sea
>Lost line of Green faction or cadet successors (Jaehaera and her brothers deserve better)
>Illyrio’s wife Serra possibly being a Blackfyre descendant
>minor house opportunist like Baelish and Bronn
>simply a nobody use as pawns

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>>25189230
>norvos

>>25189534
I think he is either a Blackfyre or a nobody pawn, if it is the case he is a pawn I believe it will be revealed when he tries to tame a dragon and gets roasted.

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Kekking at this fucking boomer.

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It really sucks that we'll probably never see anyone in the books properly explore the more fantastical parts of the world like Asshai or doomed Valyria or Sothoryos. I feel like if George were younger he might have done a follow up episodic novella series of Arya doing shit around the world.

>>25189655
Arya here having not horse face like Japanese first female prime minister?

>>25189534
He’s literally me

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>>25189786
Fastest wall crash of all time

Is Asoiaf more detailed and vivid than Akotsk?

>>25189627
My poor boy Quentyn got roasted

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>>25189816
Have you seen her brother

>>25189829
He's obviously still alive.

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>>25189655
I just want to see what’s in mysterios. Hopefully we’ll see it in the corly show

>>25189230
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and winter is coming and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

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How happy would Aegon have been if he married Myrielle?

I'm certain Unwin would be creaming his pants

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Best looking wiki portraits, Targs-only. If there is a frown, cool shit is about to go down.

i wish i was tommen and margaery would try to win me over from my mother with nightly 4 hour nursing blowjobs

After reading Sworn Sword

As much a prideful idiot Eustace was, I was a bit sad that he never had any more kids and his line likely ended. He was pretty nice to Dunk for the most part.

Can't understand why he let Set Bennis work for him but I guess beggars can't be choosers. Hopefully he had a distant cousin or some shit that could inherit, House Osgrey seemed pretty cool

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Anyone else notice Jon resorts to deflections and whataboutism when Ygritte tells him incest is bad?

>>25191330
I don't recall that

Show me some passages cause that sounds hilarious

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>>25191368
Very curious.

>>25191506
I wonder if GRRm is trying to say incest is civilized....

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>>25191287
>As much a prideful idiot Eustace was, I was a bit sad that he never had any more kids and his line likely ended.

House Osgrey still exists as of 300AC so Eustace and Rohanne must have had a son who himself had kids.

The odd part is House Webber also still exists, when Eustace and Rohanne's son and his descendants would have inherited the lands and titles.

>>25191506
He also keeps talking about how much Ygritte reminds him of Arya. I think a chapter where they meet up and he pounds her cunny would have been hot but unfortunately George went too mainstream.

>>25192145
It'd be funny if Sam Elliot played Eustace but he still kept his Southern US accent.

>>25192170
Got the passage?

Cause I swear there is even more incest than I thought in ASOIAF.

I posted about it GRRM wrote other fantasy stories. I bet the Witcher would have even more incest

>>25189655
>I feel like if George were younger he might have done a follow up
He's written less than a quarter page a week for the last fifteen years.
kek

>>25190024
Did someone get ai to finish of the far side of the world lol? Looks pretty good

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>>25192191
In the original outline, there was going to be a love triangle between Jon, Arya, and Tyrion. There are still remnants of that more-than-sibling love between them. Jon falls for Ygritte in part because of how she reminds him of Arya. I think Gendry is Arya's parallel of Ygritte. He reminds her of Jon. I could swear there was a scene where she saw Gendry working a forge with rippling muscles and immediately thought of Jon but I can't find it, maybe I confused different scenes together. It's probably healthier that they found those traits they liked in people that weren't each other, but I wouldn't mind if their reunion was a little spicy.

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>>25190024
>everything we don't know anything about is so much more interesting than the shit we get information about
How to cope with this feel?

Do you guys think the fat man regrets ever putting the Others in? Almost to the conclusion and they are barely mentioned, I don't know he can bring them in to the already packed story line in just two books.

Who's sending Melisandre her visions?

Is the answer Bran, once again?

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>>25192308
That can't be right...
2026-2011=15
15*52=780
780*0,25=195
That would be around 195 pages only. Well... checks out. Probably.

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i have less than a hundred pages left to read in adwd. how can i stretch this out until winds comes out?

Winds this year

>>25193109
Winds never

>>25193127
incorrect incorrect INCORRECT WRONGGGG

>>25193129
Winds tomorrow

JonxArya fanfic reccs?

>>25193168
https://archiveofourown.org/works/70797461/chapters/184051436

>>25192969
I think whatever made Bran cry out in fear when he looked into the heart of winter is the Great Other, and if that's real then so is R'hllor.

/tg/ doesn't know, but you lot might: Does anyone have the asoiaf magic fansplat? They took the magic rules from the green ronin chronicle system and converted burning wheel spells over to it?

>>25193087
Not even if you read one letter a day.

>>25192930
I think he regrets not getting the story to the point it needs to so as to make them actually relevant. The reason why they haven't been seen yet is because we aren't even in the second part of his epic fantasy franchise. They were supposed to be the last phase of the story

>>25193733
theres no way to conclude the story in two books and thats why he has given up imo

>>25189230
GRRM should just abandon his self-imposed limitation of seven books and write as many as he needs. Even in the scenario where the Others are erased completely from the books, it is logistically impossible to address everything in the plot in ~2000 pages.

>>25193779
How the hell could these plotlines not be wrapped up in two 1000+ page books?

>>25193780
>>25193788
He's not writing at all. He hasn't been for a very long time. If he just wrote a single page a WEEK he'd've been finished years ago.
Stop coping and enjoy the series as-is.

>>25193788
In one book, you basically have to:
- Write about the shitstorm at the Wall after Jon's death.
- Write about Jon warging Ghost.
- Complete the Battle of Steel.
- Complete the Battle of Fire.
- Complete the Battle of Ice.
- Complete the Battle of Blood.
- Show the direct aftermath and fallout of all these battles.
- Show Tyrion and Victarion dealing with each other and the courtroom drama in Dany's council. This alone could vary wildly in length.
- Show Young Griff establishing himself as a real threat.
- Show Cersei's trial and the shitstorm that ensues when people find out Robert Strong is an undead Gregor.
- Have Jaime and Brienne deal with the Brotherhood Without Banners and Lady Stoneheart, and then maybe a SECOND Red Wedding where they kill a lot of Freys.
- Have Euron fucking shit up with all sorts of magic bullshit.
This isn't even all of the major plots.
All of them must take several chapters to complete.
Some of them could be their own books.

>>25193788
>>25193816
related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkzYgR5OgCM

tl;dw there's too many pov characters and Winds will need to be two volumes long if his autism refuses to allow him to split the book into two (like he did for A Game of Thrones and Clash, and like he did for Feast and Dance)

>>25194380
Danys gonna torture the poor girl to death if true, the crazy bitch

Is Roose just a psycho or a vampire

>>25194380
I think this could be true
I think the other two ""ove" prophecies are linked for jon and the child she'll have with him (she alread had children with drogo and daario, following her rule of three it's cleary she'll have a child with jon and the child gonna survive)

>>25194931
>and the child gonna survive
Jon gives the baby to the walkers to end the long night, he is the prince who was promised. He also has to kill dany because she obviously won’t want that

>>25194931
>>25195179
How the hell is there going to be time for Jon and Dany to fall in love, have a baby, and for one or both of them to die within two books when they're not even in the same continent right now?

Regarding Feast & Dance, I feel like there's one good book between the two of them. When you resort to a geographic split & timestream link-up, that's a clear sign your story is bursting at its seams. I'm convinced you could slice them down to a single, much more concise book while still telling the story. You could excise the entire POV of that Dornish nerd who got roasted by her dragons, telling his story via mentions by other characters. You could chop down Tyrion on the boat, not the Sorrows/Chroyane, that's good stuff, but other parts you could. And that's just for starters.
More than anything, GRRM needed a team of editors to cut the fat, keep the story progressing and to keep his fat ass motivated. However, this seems to be a case of success creating complacency and yes-men. I don't think it's a coincidence that the first three books are the best, and are spaced 2 years apart, while the long waits and bloat came after.

>>25190024
pretty good, but werent the 5 forts originally built to defend against the Shadowlands, or am I misremembering?
It seems clear to me that Ulthos is a fiery land of volcanoes and ash, analogous to the Lands of Always Winter (each being the base of operations of Rh'hlor and Great Other respectively).

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>>25191287
Ser Eustace 'the Chequy Chad' plowed Rohanne at least once during their wedding, and likely more times before he croaked. Its telling that Rohanne later gave up Coldmoat so she could marry Lord Gerion Lannister shortly after Eustace's death. Mayhaps she had the grandchild with him that her father had always wanted and thus felt comfortable doing so. It is evident with her discussion of her deceased children in TSS and the upbringing of Tywin's father and his other siblings that Lady Rohanne was very much an absentee mother

There is decent odds that House Osgrey lives on, and given that they are Blackfyre loyalists and would be bannermen to Mathis Rowan (who will play a prominent role in TWoW - likely a 'friend in the Reach' of soon-to-be King Aegon VI Blackfyre) we may get to see an Osgrey, especially if GRRM enjoys KOT7K S2 and the Chequy Lion is on his mind

>>25192145
Respect from one Osgrey appreciator to another. House Webber survives through the cadet lineage of Rohanne's cousin (who her father threatened to give Coldmoat to in his will if she did not marry). I'd imagine they hold whichever castle the Webbers originated from before Maegor the Meanie stripped Coldmoat from the Osgreys during the Faith Militant Uprising

>>25189252
Slop

>>25190024
Source on map? Can’t find the og artist, I like the George Easter eggs like raugg and koryuban
>>25195241
The Five forts were built to guard the realm from “demons of the lion of night”. maybe they’re the others of the East, maybe they’re shadow monsters, we don’t know

>>25195209
True. If anything dany will get pregnant but then die tragically before it can be born

>>25195374
They're gonna rape this storyline in the show. Even though S1 was well written, there's no way modern writers can write a conflict between a young un-traditional woman vs an old conservative man without it being one-sided.

>>25189252
Maegor unfairly stripped House Osgrey of their rightful seat because the pious Chequy Lion dared to stand up to his temper tantrum. That's crime enough for me

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>>25190024
this map is not canon
this is the canon map

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>>25195423
so I see. Given the whole emphasis on duality (ice & fire), I tend to see the Five Forts as the Wall of the East. They're ancient and large enough, and are even made of fused black stone, which is related to the fire element (not to be confused with the oily black stone of the water element).

A couple points I forgot to mention: if the fat man insists on seven books, dividing into volumes could've been a workaround.
Also,
>>25190133
kek, this is classic pasta

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>>25195374
>Its telling that Rohanne later gave up Coldmoat so she could marry Lord Gerion Lannister shortly after Eustace's death.

I'd suggest Rohanne left to marry Gerold Lannister because her son with Eustace was old enough and competent enough to rule on his own.

Not that Gurm will ever write anymore but Id like to know what happened to Rohanne.

>I'd imagine they hold whichever castle the Webbers originated from before Maegor the Meanie stripped Coldmoat from the Osgreys during the Faith Militant Uprising

Yeah, I suppose that would work for explaining the discrepancy.

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>>25195423
>Source on map?

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>>25195448
>They're gonna rape this storyline in the show.

Book Rohanne is already a (well written) stronk womyn and Book Eustace is already a curmudgeon, so there's no need to change the nature of the characters and neither interacts with the other until the end and that's just shouting a few insults across the river.

The story in Book 2 is the most straight forward of the three, there's no need to change or add anything for the tv show, other than a flashback to Blackfyre Rebellion v1.0

>>25195406
>>25195459
>>25195481
Tower niggers used to try...

>>25196082
>there's no need to change or add anything for the tv show
As if that's ever mattered.

>>25196082
Show Bennis is a black guy

They took a super dirty and stinky guy who never bathes, is unpleasant, cowardly, and steals from Eustace, and made him black. Lol.

>>25194854
Psycho vampire

>>25196221
They're gonna make a misunderstood hero

>>25195209
a lot of POVs characters will die in twow, so ados will be a long ass book with a lot less of random subplots to waste pages, there's already a whole buildup for them to fall in love with dany dreaming of him and sensing his death
it's likely dany will end in westeros by the end of wow and then they meet at prologue of ados

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>>25195209
no idea but it's kinda obvious george writes them meant to be soulmates

>Lann the clever who used tricks and deceit to claim casterly rock for himself.

In reality was probably just some guy who got married into the Casterlys and eventually his descendands inherited the castle.

>no notablog in 2 months
>no writing updates since "I really feel like writing more dunk and egg"
>winds still 300 pages away from being published (but he has to be satisfied with the ending point(s) and believe he can finish Dream in 1500 pages to release it) like it has been for the last 4 years.

Overbros, how we feeling?

>>25196083
Why try when we won and achieved all our goals? Now It’s time to kick back and enjoy the fruits of our labors: a targless, dragonless world

>>25196969
>gets raped by Euron

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>>25197152
>imaginary scenario in your head that didn’t happen vs real scenario that did in fact happen
lol I win!

>>25189230
Finally read a game of thrones. I would give this book a solid 6/10. Interesting at some parts but an absolute bore at others. Somehow less nihilistic and more "flowery" than the show. Can't be bothered with the lesser houses, their names and people's.

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>>25196906
>January 2026 was the first month during which Not a Blog wasn't updated by George or his minions since April 2006

Either he's reached a new level of indolence or age is hitting him harder than ever.

How plausible is the Bolt-on theory of Roose being an immortal vampire that takes the skins of his children to inherit and throw off suspicion?

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Future House stokeworth members will be badass af now that bronn is the head of the house. I bet his son becomes a great warrior with a fierce reputation and his nickname will be “the black sheep”

>>25197403
You just know him and uncle Tyrion Tanner of the hundred fathers will be an unstoppable duo

>>25197386
About as plausible as the entire world being a time travelling dark souls knockoff because fire wights operate like dark souls undead.

>>25197304
I wish there were more scenes where good guys bitched small fries, like the one your pic is of. So much of the series is just all of the protagonists being absolute bottoms.

Now that we know GRRM watches Bookborn, I am 100% convinced he saw my comment on a Gene Wolfe interview youtube video. GRRM literally talked about the same hyperspecific Wolfe v GRRM contrast that I addressed, at length, in some conference months later.

I wouldn't be surprised if GRRM is wasting every day watching youtube videos.

>>25197848
Surely, GRRM dares not to compare himself to Wolfe.

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>YWN know what happens with Stoneheart

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>>25197403
>House stokeworth

No longer exists, it's now House Bronn of the Blackwater.

>>25197406
>>25197403
Lollys most likely being a downie, how fucked is the Stokeworth bloodline? What's the chance Tyrion Tanner and Bronn's future kid off her will also be downies? What about their own kids later on?

>>25198041
Don't worry, Preston Jacob's fan-fiction has all the answers.
>Gets beheaded by Brienne
The end

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>>25197663
I mean...some of the good guys are actual bottoms.

>"His god, ser friend? Not yours? Where is the god of Ser Davos Seaworth, knight of the onion ship?"

>"King Stannis is my god. He made me and blessed me with his trust."

>"I can shorten your tongue as easy as I did your fingers, smuggler."

>"I am your man, Your Grace. So it is your tongue, to do with as you please."

>>25197848
>Bookborn
Who watches that slop?

Does George have the balls to do a Resurrected Jon Snow and Lady Stoneheart sex scene?
Call me crazy but it makes sense thematically

>>25198511
lol seriously?

I haven't followed his fanfic in almost a year now because I realized I didn't want to read it and then when Winds actually comes out lol I mix up events between the fanfic and the actual book and can't separate them.

I know he said he needs to just start culling the cast to contract the story and make it endable in 2 books, but damn.

>>25197949
I don't think he compares himself with Wolfe, but for the past 2 or so years he has ranted about how jealous he is that Wolfe was able to write the entirety of BOTNS before publishing book 1 to tighten up the foreshadowing and write the series holistically rather than publishing 1 book at a time in order to not starve, being stuck with things he wrote in previous books due to his time limits. It all comes back to George telling Diana Gabaldon that he accidentally killed a character off and realized he really needs them in Winds.
>>25198855
her video with preston was fucking funny because he couldn't contain his autism

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I could honestly fix her.

>>25197848
>. GRRM literally talked about the same hyperspecific Wolfe v GRRM contrast that I addressed
What did you say?

>>25198258
That would be dope but I think in the books he takes the stokeworth name because it’s just easier

>>25198271
Down syndrome isn’t hereditary so they have the same chance of being downie as lollys had

>>25198258
Why did Bronn let Falyse go back to King's Landing and not kill her. As long as she's alive, Lollys is not the Stokeworth heir.

In hindsight, letting her go was the better move, since Cersei killed Falyse, but no way Bronn could have predicted Cersei being that retarded

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>>25197663
tbf there are exceptions, like the Hound cleaving Polliver's head, Arya stabbing the Tickler to death, Dany dunking on slavers in Astapor & Meereen, etc. But I know what you mean. It all goes back to ASoIaF being a cynical, deconstructionist work.

>>25199009
>It all comes back to George telling Diana Gabaldon that he accidentally killed a character off and realized he really needs them in Winds.
who?

>>25199318
>who?

the author of the Outlander series. Here's the clip since it's too big for /wsg/ and I'd rather not just directly link to reddit

https://i.imgur.com/tHST2Q6.mp4

probably shoulda posted it on catbox

>the time between now and the release of F&B has now surpassed the time between the releases of ADWD and F&B

how over is it?

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>>25199174

Bronn becomes Lord Stokeworth but that's a title, his name is Ser Bronn of the Blackwater. The rape babby is named Tyrion Tanner but that's probably a joke by Bronn and the kid would legally be named Tyrion Waters. Lollys remains Lollys Stokeworth as he husband doesn't have a last name and with the death of her (childless) sister and brother-in-law, the lands and titles of Stokeworth go her and thus to her husband Bronn. I'd guess at that point he'd take the full name of Bronn Blackwater, Lord of Stokeworth.

>>25199291

Falyse is 36 years old and in ten years of marriage she'd never had a kid but yes, the lands and titles of Stokeworth would have gone to her and thus to the house of her husband, Balman Byrch.

>>25198855
GRRM does apparently

>>25199337
On June 21st 2026, more time would have passed between now and ADWD than between AGOT and ADWD

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>The trees stood beneath him, warriors armored in bark and leaf, deployed in their silent ranks awaiting the command to storm the hill. - ACOK JON IV

>The trees stood shoulder to shoulder, like men in a battle line, all cloaked in white. - ADWD BRAN I

>A warm fog hung in the air, turning the trees into sentinels, tall soldiers shrouded in cloaks of gloom. - ADWD A GHOST IN WINTERFELL

>...the great oak looked especially angry, as if it were about to tear its roots from the earth and come roaring after them. - ADWD JON V

>Then she saw it: an uprooted tree, huge and dark, coming straight at them. A tangle of roots and limbs poked up out of the water as it came, like the reaching arms of a great kraken. - ASOS ARYA IX

>Glistening brown and black, the tree rushed toward them like a battering ram. - ASOS ARYA IX

>She thought back to a tale she had heard as a child, about the children of the forest and their battles with the First Men, when the greenseers turned the trees to warriors. - ADWD THE WAYWARD BRIDE


A preview of God-King Bran's reign of terror.

>>25199346
Usually when a husband marries the last female of a house their children take the mother’s name to keep the house alive like when a lydden man married the last Lannister woman and took her name to keep the house alive. I don’t think there’s a precedent In the books for a man to make a new house after marrying the last woman of another house, I think that’s against the in world rules

>>25199525
>I don’t think there’s a precedent In the books for a man to make a new house after marrying the last woman of another house, I think that’s against the in world rules
literally the Baratheons

>>25199525
Yeah, also bronns sellsword goons are all calling him lord stokeworth in affc so it appears he’ll take the Stokeworth name instead of starting a new house called Blackwater

>>25199540
Oh yeah true that

>Bronn and Lollys have a trueborn son together
>when he grows up he takes a flaming sheep as his personal arms

I wonder what grrm's peers think of him for abandoning his story. I remember Tad Williams in particular wanting to know more about Asshai back in the day.

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>>25199291
Moot point because Qyburn killed her. Cersei explicitly told Qyburn to get rid of her, because Cersei realized Falyse was a bigger risk than Bronn. Bronn is perfectly content with this situation because having Cersei for a boss is preferable to standing alone among established lords.

>>25199540
Similar but not exactly the same. Argilac was the lord and challenged a wounded Orys, expecting to win against an already wounded Orys. Argilac's daughter refused Orys until she was thrown out of her own keep. Orys was an unknighted, landless bastard who seized the lordship by force of arms from the lord and heir that refused any transfer of power. The lack of consent is beaten by might makes right.
Tanda was the lady of the house, but became infirm long enough for Falyse and Balman to get themselves killed for a stupid plot against Bronn. Tanda died without knowing Falyse's fate. The burden is on Cersei for a cover story, but as far as everyone outside the Lannisters and Bronn are concerned, Bronn is the husband and force of arms to the legitimate last heir of Stokeworth. Bronn was already knighted by Tywin's orders before Cersei, the queen-regent, directly arranged the marriage of Bronn to Lollys to satisfy Tanda's request for Lollys' suitor. Cersei then schemed for Bronn's removal that ultimately pushed Bronn forward to the lordship itself. Balman challenged Bronn when Stokeworth was still not yet Balman's property. The lady and regent both consented to and accelerated Bronn's position.

I cannot stress this enough: Orys had the choice of Baratheon by force of arms. Bronn can make a decision about House Stokeworth because he legally was placed into the position.

That said, this plot was actually one of Cersei's better ideas. We may never know what Bronn will do in the final books, but Cersei at least guaranteed that House Stokeworth regains its capacity for war. If I were in Bronn's position, I'd legitimize Tyrion Tanner as his own cadet house knight, produce a true Stokeworth heir, then float the Blackwater name as either a style or another cadet branch.

>>25199797
I think they would defend long gaps. I even think they would be OK if he died midway through the series if he was making any forward progress.

But to be stuck in the same spot for so long... I honestly think he has lost the respect of his peers.

>>25189534
I hate the blackfyre theory to be honest. If he isn't actually Aegon VI, then he should be a nobody. Oh he isn't the last surviving male of this branch, but actually of THIS branch. Its dumb.

>>25200493
It’s literally the whole point of george putting the blackfyre rebellions in the books, there was always gonna be a last minute cadet branch to cuck dany out of her heroes welcome, originally it was gonna be a bright flame

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>>25199467
delete this

>>25199467
grim
My go-to that I haven't gotten to use is that Obama was still in his first term when ADWD released.

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>>25200777
There's only been 3 Bran chapters since Bill Clinton left office.

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>>25199525
>Usually when a husband marries the last female of a house their children take the mother’s name

No, that is not usual at all, in fact what is overwhelmingly common is for the woman to take the man's name, all the more so for an irrelevant minor house like the Stokeworth's.

>>25200856
Blackwater isn’t a house name it’s like “of pennytree” or “the tall”, just a knightly flair

>>25200863

Except Bronn has been ennobled and can now take a last name, (with "Blackwater" making sense and being cool) as Tommard Heddle for example did.

>>25199001
Yeah I haven't caught with that in years but I decided to take a look at his latest chapter to see what he'd do with lady stoneheart and yeah that was the end of her. Disappointing to say the least. It's clear he's getting tired of this project himself. What hope do have for George.

Zombie Cat should be put to rest by Arya imo. Isn't that how the faceless men were theorized to start out? Giving the gift of death to fire wights stuck in the mines of old valyria?

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George is going to finish the books, Winds is basically done already.

>>25200493
Agreed
>>25200517
The point of the Blackfyre subplot is to illustrate Varys's philosophy: 'Power resides where men believe it resides.'
Varys tells JonCon that Young Griff is Aegon.
Varys tells the Golden Company that Young Griff is a Blackfyre.
By telling multiple (contradictory) lies, Varys is able to build up Young Griff as an important figure despite him probably being a nobody (a lower class Lyseni, just like Varys himself)
Young Griff is the "Mummers' Dragon" for a reason. He's a fraud who has multiple fake identities

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>>25189230
>kills Aeris to "save the innocent of the City"
>conveniently saves himself, his father, other relatives of his, and the bannermen of his house in the proccess
>do absolutelly jackshit when his father troops brutalized that same city and murdered Elya and her children
>somehow he's actually a misunderstood hero all along

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>>25201650
>kills Aeris

Wait a second...

Am I the only one who finds the Dany chapters pretty boring?

>>25200856
>irrelevant minor house like the Stokeworth's
It's like 5% of the Crownlands, larger than most other lordships in the Crownlands. Cersei was trying to gain control over it just like with Rosby, itself half as large as Stokeworth but still rich. The Crownlands is roughly the same land area as Great Britain.

When Gyles Rosby died, 6 claimants petition for his estate. Cersei (stupidly) tries to overrule the claimants to herself be the recipient of Rosby. One of the claimants is Tanda Stokeworth who also died and left Lollys the claim, meaning Bronn could challenge the competition to more than double the land he just married into. If Cersei was smart, she'd delay the inheritance of Rosby long enough to dangle it as a reward to Bronn if he executes another one of her schemes.

>>25200915
He is Bronn of the Blackwater, not Bronn Blackwater. He managed to acquire knighthood, but he chose a name to celebrate his accomplishment in battle. The battle is named for the river, Blackwater. Were he to decide the name Blackwater as the house name in place of Stokeworth, it would be confusing to refer to such a lordship by the river when the lordship fails to have any physical contact with the very river it is named after. Furthermore, King Tommen (aka Cersei) would have to approve Blackwater as the new house name.

Cersei and the stability of House Lannister is in jeopardy, so Bronn may have to play it safe by taking the name Stokeworth to better grasp Rosby. Were he to acquire Rosby and Byrch, he'd have just over 1/10 of the Crownlands. If Jon and fAegon succeed in taking King's Landing, they'll be very interested in winning Bronn to their side.

>>25202144
You're meant to read them with one hand in your pants.

I dipped into the previous thread, and I had to respond to a few things. For one, I was in an irl discussion where a girl said that Arya was "literally me". Granted, her being a competent assassin as a kid is a stretch, but otherwise I take that as confirmation that her characterization is believable.
Also, Sansa is not dumb, despite her blunder early on. There's alot of hints in the text that she's highly intelligent, which is not contradicted by a lapse in judgment when she was a naive 12 year old.
Maybe GRRM really should've stuck with the 5 year time skip, maybe then he wouldn't be becalmed in the doldrums.

>>25199797
>Tad Williams
I've come across claims that GRRM plagiarized his work, although I havent confirmed this.

>>25202256
Plagiarisation is a bit of a stretch but the inspiration is very clear if you've read Memory, Sorrow and Thorn.

God, Dance is SO much better than Feast it's crazy.

>>25202419
Both amazing books that are dragged down by every Dornish character.

>>25192969
A wizard troll using a glass candle for the lulz

>>25202256
Sansa is highly intelligent? She has nice character progression, but I wouldn't say she's intelligent.

How different do you think Westeros, or Essos for that matter, would look from a satellite view?

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>>25202256
>>25202838
Well she's no mathematician that's for sure.

>It hurt that the one thing Arya could do better than her sister was ride a horse. Well, that and manage a household. Sansa had never had much of a head for figures. If she did marry Prince Joff, Arya hoped for his sake that he had a good steward. - A Game of Thrones - Arya I

>The queen took Sansa's hand in both of hers. "Child, do you know your letters?"

>Sansa nodded nervously. She could read and write better than any of her brothers, although she was hopeless at sums. - A Game of Thrones - Sansa IV

Dont worry just wait for kwab martin to die and sanderson will finish that shit in no time

>>25203015
>sanderson will finish that shit in no time
crazy how this is used to farm (You)s from fans of both authors now

On August 1 2026, it will be 30 years since the beginning of the ASOIAF saga.

Make of this information what you will.

>>25199346

I found show lollys cute.

>>25201457
Stop, it's sad at this point.

Jonsa status?

>>25199467
STOP

>>25203050
C&C

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>>25203043
30 years just to write the first act of the story (war of the 5 kings)

Dany's invasion never ever

White Walker invasion never ever

>>25203043
>>25203053
Kneel to sanderson and he writes it in 3.5 weekends, martin cortisolmaxxed and got mogged

/grrm/ should I just blatantly spoil that my story is a scifi in the prologue and set it on the hijacked human seedship (think of one of those ecological 'ark' ships from Tuf Voyaging) and it's about a guy failing to activate the self-destruct sequence when the ship gets boarded by alien space pirates? It's been a recurring dream I've been having. I think I'm being sent direct signs.

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>>25202875
how is martin supposed to make her have a cute relationship with jon (it will happen, whatever people like it or not) when you remember that ?

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>>25202155
>He is Bronn of the Blackwater, not Bronn Blackwater.

It's the nature of last names to be something derived from an ancestor that has nothing to do with the later descendants.

>>25203119
Sure

Bronn of the Backwater

Bronn of the Blackwaiter

Bronn of the Blackedwater

>>25203151
It's impossible for any woman to dethrone Arya in his mind so it's doomed anyhow.

Bronn of the Brackwater

what does /grrm/ think of the upcoming tourney of harrenhal play? any interest?

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>>25203220
when he reunites with Sansa and her red hair reminds him of Ygritte, he's going to fall head over heels in an instant and forget all about Arya Horseface. This is known.

>>25203615
Sansa is not as grippy.

jon and dany got romantic art as the books official cover
they're going to be canon whatever sister you think he should fuck instead, HE'LL FUCK HIS AUNT

>>25203721
doesn't mean he'll like it

Can Lady Stoneheart get wet? How would someone even have sex with her

Jon kills Dany in the end, not because she goes crazy, but because Arya promised him cunny if he kills her.

Jon will kill Dany when Bran wargs him to cement his rule as eternal God-King of Westeros by removing the last threat to Greenseer hegemony or should that be hedgemony, lol.

>>25202942
Cat really was just raising a bimbo with her

>>25202317
havent read it, but that's consistent with what I've gathered.

>>25202838
I have multiple examples from the text.

1. In ACOK, Sansa II/Chapter 18, she gets the note to come to the godswood, and burns it to cover her tracks. On her way back, she bumps into the Hound, who questions her, and she says she was praying in the godswood for her father and for King Joffrey. The Hound dismisses the claim that she was praying for a sociopathic maniac, but doesn't question the alibi any further.
So here, we have proper OPSEC, and a very clever deflection -- praying for Joffrey was an obvious lie, and it threw the Hound off the scent of the real reason she went there (the conspiracy with Dontos).

2. ASOS, Chapter 68, Sansa VI. Lysa is asking her why she's still a virgin after marrying the Imp. The truth is that Tyrion, under his many layers of irony & cynicism, has a core of decency, which is why he refused to commit marital rape (which many other characters would've done). But Sansa can't tell this to Lysa without offending her, so she deflects to his whoremongering, a known vice of his.
Once again, a very clever deflection in a sticky situation.

3. AFfC, Chapter 23, Alayne I. This is where Littlefinger has his parley with the Lords Declarant, who oppose his rule. The discussion seems to be at an impasse, until Lyn Corbray draws his sword, which violates guest right, and leads to a compromise wherein Littlefinger stays in power. Of course, Lyn Corbray is in Littlefinger's service, and is paid to subvert any opposition. But in the discussion afterwards, Sansa deduces all this straight away without needing any explanation!

So in these examples, we have Sansa doing proper OPSEC, successfully lying & deflecting under pressure on multiple occasions, and instantly grasping one of Littlefinger's schemes, who is one of the best players in the game.
Yes, if you read closely, she is bright, despite her blunder as a 12-year-old getting groomed by Cersei, and despite what other characters say.

>>25202942
so math is her weak point. tbf, plenty of girls suck at math, and her being highly literate dovetails with the above.

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>>25190024
>>25195560
>>25195574

here's the real canon map actually.

Where the fuck is the morning throners episode?

>>25204849
idk

thought they'd be uploading weekly again but i guess not

I think it's hilarious female readers see themselves in Sansa and scramble to convince themselves Sansa is a super genius snowflake.

>>25204903
The show made it worse with it constantly having characters talk about how smart Sansa is. That scene of her correcting the blacksmith and little finger telling her how great she is at ruling was cringe as fuck.

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>>25189230
If Walder offered his eldest son and heir, how good of a marriage offer would Genna Lannister with House Frey have been?

>>25205134
Freys are a laughing stock. It would have been embarrassing for any great house except maybe the Tullys to marry into them.

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>>25194380
w if true

>>25205138
I'm surprised GRRM has never made a Frey have had a Bracken wife, one of Walder's wives was a Blackwood but none of them seem to have married a Bracken.

>>25192969
It’s implied that all the visions are coming from a future Bran leading everyone down the conclusion where Bran ends up as king and humanity is saved

>>25199610
No it’ll be a wolf in sheep’s clothing

Bronn is even first described as looking like a wolf and GRRM builds his personality around being a human wolf

>>25202875
Daario quite literally had Daenerys in every way a man could have a woman.

Any place Jon kisses on Dany’s body has already been touch and claimed by Daario’s cock

>>25203721
They’ll be canon for a time….until there comes another sister of Jon’s to cast her down and take Jon’s cock away from her

>>25205290
does that implies they did anal or it was just the ways daenerys knew ?
did they even have the hygienic means to do it ?

Random thought, but I wonder if Tywin fucked Shae just to dunk on Tyrion; fucking his bitch while having him executed at the same time.

>>25204829
kek.
btw, that fan-made map I put up has a good aesthetic, but there's some definite errors in it. I tried to run it through AI, but it kept hallucinating things. I guess some things you still have to do by hand.

>>25204934
Typical of wokefaggotry to have girlbosses. In the books you have to read between the lines to see how intelligent she really is. And I hope anon wasn't referring to me, I'm not a girl yo, wtf

>I wonder if Tywin fucked Shae just to dunk on Tyrion
I thought so at first but I really don't think it fits his character that well. I think he's really making sure she's a simple whore and not too affected by tyrion's trial. If it was clear she was distraught and in love with tyrion then maybe he would have her killed or exiled or something.

>>25195459
>referring to something you don’t like as a “tantrum”
Fembrain faggot detected

>>25205692
You are responding to someone who paints his nails, it's pointless.

>>25198511
?????
That isn’t what happened……imagine stopping a chapter 5 seconds early….

>>25201290
Dude. Stop spreading lies and /or being like this. She puts her head back on before Jaime starts running

>>25205679
Tyrion finding shae in Tywin’s bed makes it pretty clear he was fucking her

>>25205683
I guess that makes sense.
>killed or exiled or something
by "something", I assume you mean gang rape, lol. That's what happened to Tysha, Tyrions waifu, and he was forced to watch and participate. ppl joke about "where do the whores go", but in case anyone was genuinely wondering, it's about Tyrion dwelling on how traumatic that incident was, and how his father doesn't give a fuck about the life-altering trauma he inflicted.

>>25205700
good to know; always important to read to the end.

>>25205707
I also suspect that the “go” in that question is GRRM’s own Catholic roots creeping in, the answer to Tywin’s rhetorical question being “Hell.” Whores go to hell (when they die) (because she is dead)

>>25205707
Well Tysha was meant to be a lesson to Tyrion. I imagine that consequences to Shae would have come after Tyrion was gone, either to the wall or dead, since his trial was being hurried along. I think it was more about "How close did these two get? Does she have dirt on us? Does she have reason to harm us? Was she a plant in the first place?"

>>25205714
That’s so interesting. See I though it was simple characterization, GRRM hammering home that Tyrion is really Tywin’s son (not in the other parentage sense, but in the way aunt Gemma (?) says it to Jaime), so when he saw Shae he was both struck (because he has the same “type” as Tyrion would) and just to cuck Tyrion out of something because he hates him.

>>25205721
>>25205714
And also to show that Tywin enjoys whores, he’s just a full of shit hypocrite

>>25205714
I get the point he was making, in characteristically ruthless fashion (nobility should not get with peasants). It's just that years later, Tyrion is still depressed and can't get over it, and his father not caring was the icing on the cake.
But yea, that is interesting. Although I assume that the offer of the Wall was a bluff to avoid being assassinated, but I guess you can't be certain.

>>25205723
that too

>>25205730
>I assume that the offer of the Wall was a bluff to avoid being assassinated
The thing is, Tywin could have had him killed whenever. Maybe tarnishing Tyrion's name makes killing him a better option, but I don't think he would have trouble finding a way to get rid of him without it being controversial earlier. I think he really did want to find a use for him and also not see him in his castles ever again. Lord Commander Mormont was dead before Tyrion's trial was over, the wall had already sent word to all of the kings that they needed help with wildlings. Tywin acted nonchalant about it, and decided to hint that he wanted Slynt elected, but we know Tywin has plenty of foresight. Say a king did go and help the night's watch, and was met by a Commander with northern sympathies, and in doing so gained a foothold in the north, that might be an issue for the Lannisters. I think he did resolve to send Tyrion to the wall. It would solve all of his problems. Get the imp out of his vicinity, get a more useful pawn on the wall, leave Jaime as his only legal heir so he could guilt trip him into leaving the kingsguard without gaining his resentment by killing his brother, and sate Cersei's vengeance somewhat.

>>25205751
Also, if I remember correctly, Tywin sent Kevan to tell Tyrion to confess and he would let him take the black long before the trial even concluded, so it can't have just been a last minute offer out of fear.

Over under on the leak being real? It's probably the most hopeful I've been towards a """leak""" before

>>25205948
what leak

>>25205957
It's fake as fuck, don't worry about it >>25200054

>>25205415
It’s implied that Daenerys did anal with Daario and think about how many STDs he has

does he have purple pubes?

>>25205948
Genuinely how? It’s just shit we’ve known all along (Winds will be very big), so not even a scoop.

>>25205960
>>25205984
It’s real…

>>25193168
Get ready anon because I have a lot.

Plain hearts do in the faces rest (please read this one, is the best of them all)
https://archiveofourown.org/works/26618530

hour of the wolf
https://archiveofourown.org/works/4314477

she's not my queen
https://archiveofourown.org/works/30624746

the colours of her
https://archiveofourown.org/works/12099489

Invisible light
https://archiveofourown.org/works/14174133

Candlelight and Darkness
https://archiveofourown.org/works/6704722/chapters/15334951

You'll be a Stark, son
https://archiveofourown.org/works/75080236

A 90s slasher
https://archiveofourown.org/works/67065823

Fuck Riverrun
https://archiveofourown.org/works/18635524

many were, few remain
Jon has no idea how to be a brother to a woman grown.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/10345569/chapters/22863189

Make your good love known to me
https://archiveofourown.org/works/36017122

Me Too
https://archiveofourown.org/works/8329552

A Snow of my Own
"It is a pretty dream, but few of us can live truly free. It is expected that you shall marry and be the mother to sons and daughters. You will manage a household, as your Lady Mother did before you and as your sister is doing now." her Father had said.

We'll see about that.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/52764268/chapters/133454485

Hearts Cloaked in Black
'Stay with me. We can be together, I know we can.' she had begged.

It was impossible. Time had a way of running out.
He should've known that in the end he'd never be able to stay away from her.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/58150798/chapters/148058170

This Princess Business
Arya just wants this day to be over already.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/18291023/chapters/43290629

My Big Fat Jonrya Wedding (the name is retarded but the fic good I swear)
https://archiveofourown.org/works/13200423

The Great Spring
https://archiveofourown.org/works/12027570

Hair Locks and Burned hands
He loved her hair. Jon couldn’t recall a day in which he hadn’t played with Arya’s locks since she learned to walk. Messing her hair was like a secret they shared. It was their thing.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/22430224

Hidden Under the Trees
Jon Snow has always loved his little sister best. Even after all these years, that has not changed.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/18758551

Her First Footsteps
https://archiveofourown.org/works/23898280

but that will never be enough
https://archiveofourown.org/works/15266472

A Dream of Spring
https://archiveofourown.org/works/22716787

it's wrong, but it's all right
https://archiveofourown.org/works/13199610

moonlight sonata
https://archiveofourown.org/works/12868173

twisted
Might be that death twisted something in him, but Arya had twisted him just the same.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/45868993

a hole in the world
"Arya Stark" arrives at Castle Black, and Jon's dreams are crushed.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/13133100

>>25205978
How is it implied ?

>>25206124
You found me
"Nothing can hurt me now," she replied, as Jon's tear dripped onto her cheek and mingled with her own, "You're here."
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9213225/1/You-found-me

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8307447/1/Sneaking-into-your-dreams

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8259406/1/Blood-Blue-Roses

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7981441/1/All-For-Her-Only-Her

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13588962/1/Fumbling-Feeling-Falling

okay but where's the AryaxSandor rapefics?

>>25202838
Sansa is a retarded child. She did the medieval equivalent of giving your parents credits card to a stranger when she opened her stupid mouth to Cersei and will continue to act in her retard nature in the future

>>25206169
you already know wich character Sandor rapes in his fics and is not Arya.

>>25206200
I never said Sandor was the one raping.

>>25206208
Daring anon, but not possible. . We all know Arya is incapable of rape; she's a sweet, innocent girl who wouldn't rape a fly. The only one she could "rape" if she wanted to would be Gendry and Jon, and unfortunately you cant rape the willing.

>>25205960
>>25205948
There's just absolutely no reason for George not to blog about it if it's done or if writing is going well. He LIKES to let people know when he's writing and it's coming along. Just look at every blog post between Feast and Dance. I don't think age would change his habits that much. Winds stresses the fuck out of him, more than anything in his life yet.

I also don't think Elio would be doing interviews if Winds was done, because 90% of those interviews are shit about George not being able to finish Winds, and Elio will be the first person to know when it's done.

The idea of a "secret drop" is and always will be a meme.

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>>25204829
actually, this is the realest canon map
this is known

>>25206225
She's going to rape Missandei, which will make Dany hate her, and that makes Jon kill Dany, and then Jon and Arya make love. Then Arya rapes Sansa.

>>25205751
>>25205756
these are good points actually

>>25206254
nice

For me it's Sansa x Aegon VI x Arianne

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>>25196061
Very cool encyclopedia, can recommend.

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>>25205978
>>25206152

"That night Daario had her every way a man can have a woman, and she gave herself to him willingly. The last time, as the sun was coming up, she used her mouth to make him hard again, as Doreah had taught her long ago, then rode him so wildly that his wound began to bleed again, and for one sweet heartbeat she could not tell whether he was inside of her, or her inside of him."

>>25206456
"every way" implies he fucked her pits and came in both her ears and nostrils

>>25206459
Yep and footpussy, based daario

>>25206456
No wonder the more she drank, the more she shat, with an asshole so blown out she does anal with no prep or lube.

>>25190024
I want a Baudolino type fantasy novel. Just all the implausible bullshit encountered on the way east. There's western Yuro fantasy (like ASOIAF) and eastern ching chong fantasy, but not much about the meeting of the two.

>>25206501
What is that quote even from? I've seen it in the copypasta making fun of grrm but I'm on Dance and I don't remember ever reading that.

>>25206578
It's the very last Dany chapter in Dance

>>25206578
It's one of the last Dany chapters iirc.thats why people meme it so hard; it's most likely the last we'll see from her as a canon character, shitting Hur guts out in the planes.

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For those wondering, this is the end result of me trying to fix the map via AI.
My proompts involved adding Bone Mountains, fixing the locations of Lorath, Bayasabhad and Shamyriana, and adding Great Moraq.
original for reference: >>25195574

>"I'm the godliest man to ever set sail! When men see my sails, they pray."
Your face when?

>>25207086
tfw ywn get a POV of Euron sailing into ruined Valyria

Will Dany fuck daario again in twow ? The leal from a few months ago said she would still be fucking him after coming. Ack to meereen

>>25206590
>>25206597
it was a winds preview as well

>>25189230
Tywin is the ultimate lucky midwit.

>Inherits arguably the best position in all of Westeros. Heavily reliant on infinite wealth-gold glitch to maintain power.
>Would have been wiped out by wilfire if Jaime didn't kill Aerys.
>Fails to develop a good relationship with Robert, ensuring he would never get a position on the small council.
>Enters the War of the Five Kings with ZERO allies. Absolutely everyone hates his house.
>Gets absolutely whipped and outplayed by a FUCKING 16 YEAR OLD.
>Is on the verge of catastrophic defeat. Saved utterly by Stannis killing Renly with literal magic.
>Plots and enacts the Red Wedding, thus ensuring that the entire North and Riverlands, (along with any honourable house) hates the lannister reign for all eternity.
>Guarantee's his legacy immediately implodes right after his death. gets killed by his literal legacy (Tyrion.)

A bad person and a bad leader.

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>>25206865

THE MORNING THRONERS UPLOADED
They're doing Daenerys's first chapter in adwd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHIioYyZzWI

>>25202155
Stokeworth lands could very well extend all the way to the blackwater bay

>>25207973
beat me to it

It is time to stop making these threads unironically. I am over the seriee.

>>25208176
But winds is coming

Daenerys's chapters have become far more interesting since three dudes started racing to fuck her and she has no idea.

Beating my meat to daenerys

>>25200493
>TV show watchers do not understand how epic 'The Last Blackfyre Rebellion' is as a concept

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>>25189230
My theory is that the final winner of the Game of Thrones will be, deservingly, Littlefinger.

He is the best player so far, coming from a low ranking noble to the lord paramount of the Riverlands. He plays the game when there are Others, gods, wizards, Blackfyres, Targaryens, wargs, washed leaders of Robert's rebellion, and other aberrations around him. And he defeats them all.

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>>25201650
The guy who plays him in the show just nailed the performance, and everyone decided that he was awesome.

He always came out as a dumb dick in the books, and the show did wonders for his reputation.

The show also did great for Tywin and Tyrion. Even Cersei was fine until season 5. The showrunners liked the Lannister.

Is Melisandre actually based?

>>25208485
Living in Westeros is so bad that being set on fire seems like a merciful exit.

>>25208466
Hot actor too.
He and Sansa should end up together. He truly loves her.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thundarr_the_Barbarian
>set on a post apocalyptic earth, the Moon was broken in two pieces caused by the passage of a comet between the Earth and the Moon, causing radical changes in the Earth's climate and geography and an increase in magic

Azor ahai = thundarr the barbarian
Lightbringer = the sunsword
Nissa nissa = ariel
The lion azor kills = ookla, thundarrs lion man companion

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>>25208514
>thundarr the barbarian

I liked this cartoon when I was a kid and nowadays find it pretty surprising that network tv made a post-apocalyptic kiddy cartoon.

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>>25208573
I found another thing. In episode 2 of season 2 the wizard Argoth controls an army of robots and seeks to marry ariel but is stopped by thundarr. George references this with his character of “Argoth stone skin” who seeks to marry Maris the maid but is stopped by Uthor Hightower

>>25208604
So maybe he’s called stone skin because he was a robot

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>>25208573
>>25208514
We need a series set in dawn age/age of heroes Asoiaf in the style of old animated 80s fantasy films like ice and fire, the last unicorn and heavy metal

>>25208485
She thinks she is with all her heart but the tragedy is she’s actually cringe

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why did they make him a foot freak

>>25208745
Because it's the only thing modern writers are capable of doing
>character has deformity so he fetishizes that body part
The same people brought you Rhaenys Targaryen committing mass murder in the dragonpit just to refuse to kill the greens because muh kinslaying taboo

>>25208745
They were gonna make aemond suck on that prostitutes titties too but she refused to shoot the scene. Just pure YouTube reactor shockbait goyslop

Georges publisher made a public statement claiming the leak is false
Have they ever done that before for an alleged leak
Guys is it fucking happening
https://ew.com/the-winds-of-winter-release-leak-false-george-r-r-martin-publisher-says-11948711

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>>25208781
If it was fake they would have just ignored it

>>25208781
>>25208845
Why do you continue to do this to yourselves?

>>25208853
Pain builds character, and I'm in need of a lot of development.

>>25208853
Guess we'll have to just wait and see

>>25208861
You do that. I’ll hit you up next year and ask how it’s going.

>https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24987208
my question: if we assume the latest leak is real how real may this summary from january be ?

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>>25208745
Imagine not being a foot freak

>>25208745
I’m more offended they made him just jerk off looking at the tops of her Feet, literally nobody does that. Clearly the writer doesn’t know anything about foot fetishes, Larys should have had alicent cover his face completely in her sweaty soles while he desperately and deeply inhales her foot musk making him cum in his pants hands free

>>25208745
>>25208948
He wasn't getting off to her feet, it was the humiliation.

>>25208961
That’s not a sexual pathology that would ever happen. Plain Fetish illiteracy

>>25208466
No one cared who Littlefinger was until he put his finger in both of Lord Tully's daughters.

>>25209097
Petyr Baelish aka Littlefinger aka Fishfinger

>>25208514
>the Moon was broken in two pieces caused by the passage of a comet
I don't think that's how comets work.

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>>25209213
But it could be how a magic comet from a story could work

>>25209097
What the next step in his master scheme?

>>25208933
In 15 years, it’s probably the best leaks I’ve read. Even if i don’t like everything in it (and some stuffs seem corny), imo it’s the closest to what George would wrote…
I mean, Dany still being in Essos, plot not moving that much, The Others/Euron the final enemies, important questions and mysteries not being addressed until Dream… we’ve all been fooling ourself that Winds would answered most of the mysteries and Dream would come soon after… while in fact Dream is an even bigger piece that Winds and we’ll never get it.

>>25210151
you believe it's real ?

>>25208485
Can't wait for her to burn Shireen and see Stannisfags cope

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>>25208485
Extremely based.

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oh, it's over alright

I'm sure their tune will change when he dies and the publisher drops them a blank check

>>25211439
He'll write more when he can't walk and needs to sit on a bedpan. Demented GRRM will shit out Dreams of Spring in like a year.

>>25211439
We are getting winds don't you worry, as for dream? Yeah that'll remain a dream

>>25208466
>>25209097

I can understand being driven wild and mad by Dornish, Dayne, Stark or Lannister pussy but Tully-pussy really

>>25208485
>>25211220
George has said before that Melisandre is the single most misunderstood character in the entire series.

>>25211610
She clearly believes in her god, and her divination is tapping into something real. The blood magic is questionable. Whether she's ultimately good or bad depends on whether R'hllor is real or if she just has a cobbled together set of spells and believes those spells get their power from him. There's no reason to think a glamor spell could only be performed by a R'hllor worshiper, we know there are means of divination other than by the fire (but she attributes dreams and visions to "the great other"), we know that wights can be made by other means. I think the most compelling reason to think R'hllor is real is that Thoros' method of resurrection is literally just praying to him and breathing into someone's mouth, and even then it's hit or miss, so it does seem like there is some other will making a judgement there. It could literally just be some super powerful wizard watching him with a glass candle and then deciding it would be cool if he did an ancient wight spell though.