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Men do basically everything to maintain civilization. A society run by women would have Africa-tier standards of living.

Is it worth reading the post-Larsson books? I read the trilogy twice

>The Extremism Nobody is Talking About
lol

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>>25196478
>live in matriarchal society
>unperson any man that isnt a double alpha
>demonize anyone who adresses this as incel
>import infinity muslims at the same time because aubconsciously you crave subjugation
The nigger of genders

>>25196489
>for no good reason
that's the issue. if all women reject you, there IS a reason. you just refuse to self reflect.

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>>25196478
In my experience, its not incels that hate women the most, but guys that had lots of women around.
Unchecked female nature is repulsive to anyone with decent morals, this includes good women too, as long they were raised properly.
Deception and manipulation is how women evolved, and now they are mad that some people know it and write retarded bullshit books like that.

I for one stopped to listen to women altogether unless they talk about baby-sitting or arts and crafts or drawing.
Women can be fun to be around, there is just no point in listening to anything they have to say regarding any serious topic. And thats okay.

>>25196483
> citing a book written by a nobody with zero qualifications
go back to /pol/, retard

>>25196529
>but guys that had lots of women around
I didn’t mind women either until my first girlfriend, each subsequent partner bringing for a slowly growing hatred. Another cope that they and their defenders use is the “incel” one. Incels barely know what women are like since they still have these idealised views of them. Whereas living with one gives you the experience to know they’re just retards; flesh and bone just like men but more disgusting and naturally smelly than men, psychologically like children but lacking the innocence thereof, given how bitter and fickle they are.

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>>25196478
Unwin’s dataset (86 societies and historical civilizations) shows, without exception up to 1934, that **minimal sexual opportunity** (the only proven driver of sustained high cultural energy) was achieved **only** by restricting women’s individual legal and social status. He states this directly:

> “It is historically true to say that, in the past, social energy has been purchased at the price of individual freedom, for it has never been displayed unless the female of the species has sacrificed her rights as an individual and unless children have been treated as mere appendages to the estate of the male parent…”

In every case where high energy appeared, it began under conditions where women had subordinated rights (patriarchal or semi-patriarchal structures enforcing chastity and absolute monogamy). Emancipation (full legal equality) then arose as a natural byproduct of that very success, but it **always** brought expanded sexual opportunity, triggering the three-generation decline. He found **no instance** of the reverse: equality granted while keeping opportunity at the absolute minimum.

No other method (stronger taboos, religion, law, etc., independent of rights restriction) succeeded in the historical data. The only reliable lever that kept the “energy gate” closed was limiting women’s autonomy so the emancipatory pressure never fully opened it. Induction from consistent past behavior is the best predictor we have for future behavior in real life (exactly as every empirical science relies on). Therefore, if the overriding priority is **preventing the documented decline sequence**, the pragmatic, low-risk strategy is to maintain the system that historically worked: restrict the rights/emancipation that has always preceded the loosening. That system is what we call patriarchy (or at minimum, withholding full modern-style equality).

Unwin himself noted the tension: absolute monogamy (the peak-energy condition) actually *required* legal equality between spouses, and he personally supported women having equal rights. He even said it would be “rash to conclude” that minimal opportunity *cannot* ever be achieved without restricting rights. But he offered that only as a theoretical hope—his data contained zero examples of it succeeding. For pure induction from evidence (not speculation), this conclusion holds: patriarchy, while never reaching the absolute highest peak energy, at least stabilized societies at a medium level without the collapse that followed every attempt at equality + monogamy.

>>25196483
You can see this happen in reality survival shows if they're divided by gender.
Universally, the women form cliques and devolve into infighting and nothing gets done.
The men immediately assign tasks to everyone and anyone not carrying his weight is ostracized.
Both genders create ingroups and outgroups, but men form them based on the perceived capability of the members while women's criteria are far too nebulous for me to understand.

>>25196535
dilate

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>>25196478
I prefer the original cover

>>25196626
Cope

>>25196509
>guy who takes care of his grandma needs to self-reflect
I shiggy diggy

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>>25196478
finally, a book about me

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>>25196535
>UMMMM DO YOU HAVE A DEGREE IN THAT FIELD????
kill yourself you retarded fucking faggot

>>25196666
El mucho checko

>>25196540
Same. I was a male feminist when I was a virgin. A few gf's later, I realized that everything my dad tried to tell me about women was 100% right. They're basically giant retarded children and shouldn't be allowed to vote.

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>>25196495
They want to be the underdog so bad.

>>25196664
>man does one good thing
>is therefore absolved of all negative behaviours
holy shit. is this what you tell yourself?

>>25196695
>he must have bad behaviors if he's an incel
she must have been doing something to deserve it if she got raped

>>25196702
everyone has bad behaviours, you fucking idiot

>>25196483
/thread

Men pay roughly 75% of all income tax, but only take about 40% of government handouts. Men also account for 99% of all infrastructure and critical resource jobs, so civilization would collapse without them. Over 90% of all patents are held by men (approaching 100% in some industries), so there would basically be zero innovation in a woman-only society.

I don't think women are useless, but it's clear which gender are the producers and which are the beneficiaries.

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>>25196716
Every rape victim did something to deserve it.

>>25196478
It’s funny that man hating feminism is something we just have to live with and even implying “kill all men” is inappropriate for schools and workplaces paints a target on you, not them. Meanwhile even stating you’re sick of nagging women or you won’t read a woman author is cause for terrorism interventions.

This just proves a central incel thesis of a feminized society right.

>>25196478
Laura Bates hates men who hate women. I hate women who hate men too -- though there aren't any truthfully -- only love-hate. That means there aren't men who hate women either -- only-love hate.

>>25196478
>Laura Bates
ill give her something to 'bate if you understand the words i am implying

>>25196754
>incel thesis
why do you faggots bring incels into everything. do you check under your bed for incels before going to sleep too?

>>25196666
Quadbike!

>>25196478
Women wanted autonomy. They got it. Good job. The problem that plagues academia from economics to humanities is the assumption that the norm for humans are to be rational agents capable of adapting on the fly and pursuing truth over everything else. That is incorrect.

>>25196478
A funny thing about all the moral panic about "misogyny" and the manosphere is that all of these were solved problems
Chivalry used to be a thing, men used to protect and care for women
But then women rioted against it and upset the order, now they don't have anything to replace it with

>>25196478
HEIL HYRDA

>>25196808
I chuckled

>>25196891
cut off one head, two grow in its place brother inshallah

>>25196883
Its time for rape culture to actually exist for real this time

>>25196808
They think that if you’ve had an intimate relationship with a woman you’re meant to suddenly love them, becoming a simp and hating anyone that dare say something bad about them, deeming them as incels. When it’s more likely that actually being in a relationship will lead to your resentment of them, which in my experience has proven to be correct.
They need incels to be the only people who hate women because to them it justifies their own hatred and gives them reason to act superior.

>>25197031
>women: I'M MORE THAN A SERIES OF HOLES
>also women: *uses access to their holes as the sole standard by which to measure a person*
this song goes very hard

>>25196540
Well I actually was always like that even before I lost my v card. Growing up with a younger sister who resents you for being an undersocialized autist does that to you.

>>25196483
Aaron Clarey is based

Plagiarized title.

>>25197053
Wasn't that the original title of the The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo book?

>>25196550
Well said
Equality is the greatest lie that kills societies

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>>25196478
>Men Who Hate Women
Whoa, how did you get a hold of my diary desu

>>25196535
He has qualifications retard and he literally sites the government bureau of labor statistics

Sure do love a /lit/ thread where no one discusses the book and instead sucks off themselves and each other for literally judging a book by its cover, it's great, isn't it awesome?

>>25196478
Another paranoid, neurotic feminist cunt. Nothing to see here.
She also wrote "Everyday Sexism," which I always move to the Fantasy section whenever I'm in a bookshop.

>>25196550
I'd like to know which examples of civilizations he used

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>>25196478
i need to find a pamphlet or a speech against this law that predicts our current world where every man is either terrified that his skank will kidnap his kids and turn them into faggots and whores and troons to spite him, or is paying all his take home pay in child support so his skank and turn his baby into a faggot or whore or troon

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>>25196550
>Unwin himself noted the tension: absolute monogamy (the peak-energy condition) actually *required* legal equality between spouses, and he personally supported women having equal rights
men and women have equal rights under justinians code. if they cant live together, adultery is still a serious crime, and they can go live at monasteries. however, due to the nature of females of every species on the planet, it is not possible to ever give the birthing skank custody of the child. the child must either go with the father, the fathers family, a male of the mothers family, or an orphanage, but can never be left in the care of the mother

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>>25196798
>there aren't men who hate women
20For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
21Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
22I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
23Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
24And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

otoh, God says He isnt even going to punish these whores in Hos 4

>>25196633
jej
>>25196478
does it go into how a large portion of incels came out of the big feminist push of the early 2010's? I feel like thats when it tranformed from an ultra niche society to a moderate and decently known one.

>>25197193
Thanks for the idea

>>25196478
Wasn't this the original title of Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?

>>25196656
Rope

>>25196478
>ask classmates what they're researching
>male classmates are all researching fascinating, unique, or at least ambitious things
>woman: "Misogyny in Rome"
>woman: "Misogyny and Hamlet"
>woman: "The intersection of misogyny and periods in Hamlet"
>woman: "Women"
>woman: "Opinions about women having sex in Weimar newspapers"
>woman: "Women in the work of Robert Musil"
>woman: "Vagina"
>woman: "I have a vagina"
>woman: "I'm a woman btw. Vagina here"
>woman: "Sex and periods in gender"
>woman: "Woman perceptions of woman, ,vagina, cooters breasts woman period I'm on my period clitorises in the work of the band Oingo Boingo and Hamlet's Perception of Clitoris Vagina Gender Studies"
>woman: "Queering Gender in Medieval Manuscripts: Your period or MY period?"
>woman: "Misogyny, Periods, and You: Ernst Cassirer on Substance, Function, and My Gay Love Affair with Gender Studies"
>woman: "Women in 'Woman's Work': Gendering Gender in the Social Sciences"
>woman: "Prostitution and Gender in Antebellum Calcutta"
>woman: "Gender"
>woman: "Sex and gender studies"
>woman: "Tampons, pads, and ironclads: Stonewall Jackson and Freebleeding"
>woman: "Einstein contra Bergson: Who rapes me more by having existed?"

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>>25197361
It’s disgusting how little cognisance they possess.

>>25197361
it do be like that

>>25196540
I have never needed to manage or oversee my guy friends. I have had to manage and oversee every single woman that has ever been in my life and the consequences for failing to do so were severe. Women are a constant sparring match.

>>25197361
>"Tampons, pads, and ironclads: Stonewall Jackson and Freebleeding"
This one got me

>>25196808
Try reading the OP and comment chain next time immigrant.

I honestly don't even believe there is an incel subculture.
Wherever men are allowed to gather and talk freely, they will just kind of come to the conclusion that women are lacking in certain regards, and that society is screwing them over, because those things are true.
If you want to fight the resentment, either improve women or segregate them from certain roles, and make society more genuinely fair for men. This shouldn't be a crazy hard thing to figure out.

>>25197296
nah
she briefly mentioned how it started with a woman calling herself and her small community invcel (involuntary celibate) in the 90s
then quickly made the connection of young lonely men being indocrinated with incel ideology through the manosphere, you know the drill
i dropped it after chapter 1 so maybe she mentioned that later, but from the tone of her writing, very unlikely

>>25198590
>young lonely men being indocrinated with incel ideology through the manosphere
This part here: this doesn't happen.

All these people can ever do is put the cart before the horse. It's maddening.

It's really telling that right now with the current state of things women's biggest concern is not the economy, war or the rising crime but being able to murder their own babies

Giving these creatures political power is a civilizational suicide

>>25198733
Being able to murder their own babies *and* making sure autistic men on the internet receive the correct level of state-sanctioned bullying and buck-breaking.

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>>25198740
ancientpilled and frankly based.
i always thought women were more in touch with the primal. my theory is because they’ve got to deal with literally bleeding for a week every month (also the bodily horror of childbirth), which is a disgusting and animal thing that doesn’t fit into a civilised world at all, and as a result they see clearer in a lot of ways.

>>25198755
>which is a disgusting and animal thing that doesn’t fit into a civilised world at all
retard take. you need people to be born to have a civilzation. foid hands typed this.

>>25198596
i think it happens
but its a small number of people that tend to have low iq
other low iq people see this and think every incel is like that too

>>25197361
This is on purpose.

>>25198786
these didnt happen

>>25198766
are you up syndrome? i’m not anti-children being born. i’m saying the physical act of pushing a baby out of your body stands in stark contrast to jarring contrast to the sanitised, abstracted world modern civilisation tries to construct around itself.

>>25197361
Indeed. Women should not be educated beyond the age of 7. They are fit only to be housewives. Studies prove this. We need an end to degeneracy.

>>25198797
What does this ability to see more clearly allow them to do? Make a "refugees welcome" sign during their lunch break at their HR job?

>>25198803
i suppose making an enemy with someone like you would be one thing.

>>25198805
>Effeminate, passive-aggressive response
Hole detected.

>>25198797
>i’m saying the physical act of pushing a baby out of your body stands in stark contrast to jarring contrast to the sanitised, abstracted world modern civilisation tries to construct around itself.
it's literally the foundation of civilzation foid. no birthing process = no one being born.

>>25198811
yep i’m a big 6’1 trans women and tb h it’s cool that you’re an ally.

>>25198817
Are trannies also "more in touch with the primal"? Cutting your genitals off and ripping open a wound between your legs that you have to keep dilated so that it won't heal also seems like "a disgusting and animal thing that doesn’t fit into a civilised world at all".

>>25197361
goes without saying i didn’t bother reading the whole thing but line 2 reminded me of a good kingsley amis poem ‘a bookshop idyll’

Between the Gardening and the Cookery
Comes the brief Poetry shelf;
By the Nonesuch Donne, a thin anthology
Offers itself.

Like all strangers, they divide by sex:
Landscape Near Parma
Interests a man, so does The Double Vortex,
So does Rilke and Buddha.

“I travel, you see”, “I think” and “I can read"
These titles seem to say;
But I Remember You, Love is my Creed,
Poem for J.,

The ladies’ choice, discountenance my patter
For several seconds;
From somewhere in this (as in any) matter
A moral beckons.

Should poets bicycle-pump the human heart
Or squash it flat?
Man’s love is of man’s life a thing apart;
Girls aren’t like that.

We men have got love well weighed up; our stuff
Can get by without it.
Women don’t seem to think that’s good enough;
They write about it.

And the awful way their poems lay them open
Just doesn’t strike them.
Women are really much nicer than men:
No wonder we like them.

>>25198820
don’t know if animals have sex change surgeries, you tell me.

>>25198829
So if it's just a disgusting thing then it's not enough to give them mystical insight? If they threw shit at each other instead could they gain this power?

>>25198830
is surgery even considered disgusting it’s a modern man infection after all

>>25198834
invention

>>25198834
People have been slicing up each others' genitals for thousands of years, haven't they?

>>25198841
thousands of years is just yesterday as far as humanity is concerned

>>25198842
So genital mutilation from 4,000 years ago counts as a "modern" invention, got it.

>>25198846
considering i’m talking about primitivism, yes .. the birth of civilisation was almost 6000 years ago.

just ordered a 10k pack of colored sticky-notes, accompanying labels, and a 40 pack of highlighters. we are getting intellectual tonight ladies.

>>25196478
Only misogynists are able to truly love women. It's the women who made themselves unlovable.
It's that simple.

>>25196478
Laura bates is mentally ill. What do you hope to gain by arguing with her?

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>>25198814
>no birthing process = no one being born
For now. That's about to change. Birthing will be outsourced to plastic bags.

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>>25198846

>>25198917
this surely won't lead to man made horrors beyond comprehension

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>>25198929
W T F

>>25197113
i remember reading this ages ago, it's garbage from someone who built an entire career of grifting schools with "muh patriarchy" talks. there's nothing here beyond saying that boys might have been raped but they call women cunts which is worse

>>25196483
>Men do basically anything
Labor wise? Sure. But you could make the same argument for livestock.

>>25197111
>has qualifications
>Bachelor's of Science in Finance
consider suicide.

>>25197111
Surely the author does not make the assumption that if all men dissapeared over night women wouldn't take up those male dominated jobs...?

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>>25199000
just looked to guy up, here he is in his captain america t shirt

>>25196483
I also recommend Zero World Problems and The Menu from him

>>25199000
NTA, but that is still technically a qualification. It might not be wholly relevant to to the book he wrote (I don't know how finance heavy the perspective of the book is) nor is it a particularly sophisticated field of study. However, during completion of any undergraduate degree, students are required to write essays in which they must form arguments and cite sources. An undergraduate degree is just proof that you can take in information, read, write academically, follow instructions and criteria, formulate arguments, and engage with scholarship on a given subject. I have a Dual BA in Ancient History and Philosophy am currently working on a masters, and I'm sure there are thousands of autodidacts who have never set foot in a University who have written well researched, well argued, and high quality work at a level greater than myself and my peers. On the inverse, there are literally hundreds of thousands of articles, dissertations, theses, and books by PHDs that are of absolutely abysmal scholarship. Sure, as a rule a qualification is useful, and it can be a good indication of ability to present a logical thesis, but constant appeals to authority and disregarding work solely on that basis is retarded, especially when you haven't read the book, and when your reason for disregarding it is because you concluded on the face of it that it opposes your personal worldview or politics.

>>25199039
>Gen X'er wears cheap Supermarket Dad t-shirts to the gym
Wow, how revealing. I'm sure he's an absolute idiot and completely unserious because he wore that t-shirt and took a picture while wearing it

>>25196478
the elephant in the room is that your average moderate Muslim has opinions that would take an incel about 10 years to make.

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>>25199095
another pic

>>25196624
this

>>25197050
>jew
>based
[x] Doubt

>>25197361
Marry the Ersnt Cassirer reader, she has good taste.

>>25199131
Okay maybe this looks twattish, but! We've all taken silly pictures, maybe he's doing it ironically rather than:
>I look like a heckin badass Mafia Boss with my cigar, fuck you!

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>>25199157
it’s kind of his MO, check his ig (yes)

>>25196535
>>25199000
>>25199039
I like how you are making personal attacks without addressing any of his points

>>25199179
Oh dear. Well, I'm sure his work could still be interesting and well-written. I'm not going to read it, but I feel a desire to defend him for some reason.

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>>25199197
i have no dog in this race i’m an innocent bystander who was staggered by how lame and cringe your man is.

>>25199204
not sure what to say to that

>>25199209
It just gets cornier and cornier. Unfortunate, he is the epitome of the Gen-X "redpilled" type, the poster child for the long forgotten 'MGTOW' movement. The societal critiques of these types were not unfounded, and their complaints were reasonable, but the resignation of it all was pathetic. The aesthetics of such men are also incredibly tasteless and unsophisticated, very lower middle class Dad esque. The kind of men who's ultimate aspirations are wearing a suit and an expensive watch, driving a Porsche with a brainless bimbo in a Red dress in the passenger seat; entering restaurant for the Maître d to wordlessly usher them to a designated table on sight alone.

>>25199087
so you're saying one should trust a book on economics just because it was authored by someone with a degree (any degree)? that's stupid, economy is a field of science (social science, if you're so inclined), it can only be taken from someone proven to be competent in the field, will you for example take a book on medicine seriously if it was written by a highschool dropout? I agree that academic education is not absolutely necessary to formulate a good thesis, but it's the best heuristic we have, most of our knowledge is built on the basis of epistemological trust, that is, we cannot possibly verify it all by ourselves (expect if you're proposing that the average person should be an expert in all fields of science and have infinite amount of time), and an argument written by some uneducated person is guilty until proven, by a person qualified to give a proper critique, innocent. it's therefore only axiomatic for the lay person to, at best, take this book with a massive grain of salt, if not ignore it altogether.

>>25196478
>Book from 2020
Probably woefully outdated by now, being an internet sub-culture and all.
I wonder how deep she goes, though. Like is she going to mewntion that incels in China basically worship a guy who kidnapped a woman and kept her naked inside a barn for ten years or she going to do surface level outsider coverage and not even entertain their worldview or mention that most incels are actually brown?

>>25199222
whatever a man says, no matter how objective he’s being, can never be fully separated from the kind of person he is. it’d pay to remember that.

>>25196478
>New recruits find the incel community in a variety of ways...
Not really. The main way is through women's behavior.
>Almost cultish in its development of a vehemently misogynistic ideology, this hydra-like incel subculture has spawned a detailed, often delusional and violently anti-feminist worldview
Most *people* hate feminists, and feminism is by definition a cult

>>25199225
>so you're saying one should trust a book on economics just because it was authored by someone with a degree (any degree)?
No. That's not what I am saying. If you read on you will see that I propose that both the highly educated and the autodidact alike are both capable of both good and bad work respectively. That an appeal to qualifications is ultimately (in regards to the quality of a given book) a meaningless metric, only reading the work and assessing it will you be able to conclude whether it is logically coherent, well researched, well written etc. However, I am positing that a degree in any subject (within reason) can indicate at the bare minimum an ability to engage with scholarship and write academically to at least some degree to successfully pass the degree and graduate. The anon to which I replied was implying that it was not "a qualification" or that it indicated nothing relevant whatsoever, and did not meet the criteria for the type of qualification authority to which he was appealing.

>>25196483
is this the author doing self-promo? every time this image has been posted it was the same person (filename) https://warosu.org/lit/image/6rM4BFcEetuINH4FIT35AQ

>>25199243
That Maxim is genderless though.

>>25199276
naturally

>>25199248
>I am positing that a degree in any subject (within reason) can indicate at the bare minimum an ability to engage with scholarship and write academically to at least some degree to successfully pass the degree and graduate.
Buddy so what's the deal, you've just ignored the state of the academy for about 30 years or are you posting funny jokes here?

>>25199248
did you even read my post?
>only reading the work and assessing it will you be able to conclude whether it is logically coherent, well researched, well written etc.
again, you'd be extremely foolish to take this particular book, given the qualifications of its author, with more than a modicum of consideration. simply because you are (assuming no education in economics) in no position to have an educated opinion on it.
>a degree indicates an ability to write academically
yet
>the highly educated is capable of bad work
so you're both saying a degree is an indication of scholar capability and also is not?
>did not meet the criteria for the type of qualification authority to which he was appealing.
yes, it didn't. Unless you are capable of assessing his argument. it's simply common sense for the layman to distrust the said argument made by someone with no education in the field in which he is claiming knowledge.

>>25199129
What is that supposed to mean?

>>25199222
What is the alternative? There is no reason to contribute to the system anymore so just enjoy the decline

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>>25196478
This bitch is retarded.
Incels love women. Their entire identity is based on the lie that having a woman around would fix any of their issues and not just create more issues. Every incel is one fat chick blowjob away from being a simp.
In order to properly hate women you must experience them.

>>25199179
Utah is so pretty

>>25199268
Kek

>>25196478
If you don't bow before the gynocentric Matriarchal society we are forcing on you then that means you are misogynist.

>>25199298
>it's simply common sense for the layman to distrust the said argument made by someone with no education in the field in which he is claiming knowledge.
Nta but thats the fault of the layman and why he is typically a retard.

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it's fucked but there's nothing (You) could do to fix it, it must run its course

u can take advantage of the situation and enjoy the positive aspects of the decline or opt out, either is fine desu

>>25199343
do you expect the layman to be omniscient?

>>25196478
I thought this was a novel or something. Are there 2 books with this title? I've seen this on the nightstands of a lot of my friends that happen to be left wingers. (or the other one with the same title) Some of them have girlfriends so it might be their girlfriend reading it.
>>25196489
Lololol you want women to care that you read classic novels? Anon they only care if you are a teacher or an intellectual aka a in a respected societal position. Maybe next time when I hit the bars with my bros I will make sure to say extra loud so everyone can hear that I saw half the movies on the British Film Institute list of greatest films of all time. This way I will signal to all the women attending that I have a very high IQ and I am very cultured.
>>25196529
This has always been the most obvious thing in the world to me. It baffles me this doesn't get mentioned more often lol
>>25196633
Hehe xD

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>>25197361
>woman: "Tampons, pads, and ironclads: Stonewall Jackson and Freebleeding"

Pure comedy gold anon.

>>25196807
Laura Bates is just crying out for corrective rape. And as long as its by a six foot plus, six inch plus, six figure plus chad? It won't be "rape", it will be a wild night of fun. God's fucking truth.

>>25197030
>Its time for rape culture to actually exist for real this time
keep importing shitskins, you'll see it.

>>25196529
not sure that holds. seems more likely that when people are kept at a distance they stop appearing as people at all and turn into something half-invented. robert graves said if you separate boys from girls what you get is homosexuality (and not liking girls enough probably has a hand in a lot of homosexuality). any kind of prejudice comes from distance. one poet - i forget who - said hatred comes from a kind of inner decay.

>>25199378
>BFI top 250
are you aware what currently holds the number 1 spot?

post the post revolution gt

>>25198814
I had a female RAT that birthed out 14 healthy babies. Its not that big an accomplishment.

>>25199289
If I didn't do those things at University I wouldn't have graduated, or at the very least wouldn't have got good marks. Yes Academics are in major decline, and yes there are many ridiculous degrees on offer, and yes the institutions are Marxist circlejerks, but at in my experience (top 5 Russell Group uni) you still are required to do do all which I listed.

>>25199222
>for the long forgotten 'MGTOW' movement
forgotten? No. It just got incorporated into all rational men's philosophy and went underground/understood.

>>25199309
>What is that supposed to mean?
it means that the (supposed) "cancer' that a so called incel thinks? Is one tenth as bad as what your average muslim thinks. and women vote for open borders every time. Women vote to get themselves out of the frying pan and into the fire.

>>25196478
>>New recruits find the incel community in a variety of ways
such as being exposed to real life in a western society.

>>25199499
incels - known for touching grass

>>25199129
do you think about muslim men often enough as to summon them in a post they have absolutely nothing to do with? massive faggotry indicator desu.

>>25196478
A girl I used to mess around with told me too much feminine energy is bad.

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>>25199516
Does your mom's pubes count?

>>25199480
I was part of that.

>>25199490
What compels them to do this? The female mind is an enigma.

>>25199432
At this point I don't even. They have made their beds.

>>25199576
would hope not *attaches scrunched-face.gif*

>>25199338
Thats because they have probably the third or fourth least amount of blacks per capita behind North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana.

>>25199232
>mention that most incels are actually brown
I noticed this. A lot. Now I'm guilty as charged with being on their forums denoting the fact a woman hasn't touched me for ten years and I seem to attract whores. But I'm probably the only guy there with a majority WASP background.

>>25199577
>What compels them to do this?
Suicidal empathy

>>25199601
Thats really fucking gay. I guess emotional intelligence is a myth.

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>>25199435
That's the general poll where all the critics get to vote i.e left wing academics, television programmers and feminists lol The only list people care about is the directors one. And FYI in 2012 the N1 film on both polls iirc was Tokyo Story then Citizen kane and I believe 8 1/2 is also a top 5 or at least top 10 movie. My biggest qualm with the last 2 once a decade lists was Vertigo being voted so high. Who the fuck thinks it is ok to put a Alfred Hitchcock Hollywood Film at the top spot rofl and lmao Anyways, I meant I watched a lot of classic movies and some of them happen to be in the what used to be the most acclaimed movie poll of all time until 2022 when they went full retard with the women's movies x)

>>25199629
>emotional intelligence is a myth
It is, it was just made up like other kinds of intelligence to make stupid people feel special

>>25199595
That's mostly because white incels tend to keep it to themselves either because they fear social ostracization (usually alt-right) or because they internalised the ''bluepilled'' way of thinking (usually classical conservatives, moderate rw and tradcaths).
They will only dare to speak up in their own private groups where they are not drowned by waves of brown people or judged by others

>>25199637
fellini’s earlier work is much much better. white sheik is top draw fellini.
>The only list people care about is the directors one
where the same feminist film takes the #3 spot.

>>25199745
Nothing about your comment is genuine. Anyways, as to why Jeanne Dielman makes the 3rd spot in the director's poll. If you use your brain you would easily come to the conclusion that people obviously try to bump specific movies to the top spot. If everyone voted for their actual favorite Ozu film Tokyo Story wouldn't have made the top spot, obviously. This is also why there is only 1 other Chantal Akerman film in the entire list. You can go ahead and look up EXACTLY who voted for which movie I guarantee you the people who voted for In the Mood for Love are all talentless hacks who got an invitation to vote and made a coordinated effort to get it in a top 10 spot.
And I highly doubt you have seen a single Fellini movie which is your loss I suppose.

>>25196478
>Nobody is talking about
>Every TV show, blog and bookstore is full of it.

no way that's a feminist's name

>>25199790
it was just a funny aside i wasn’t expecting the bait to be swallowed whole.
& not sure why you feel the need to doubt my film cred considering i knew the list and had the wherewithal to call it ‘BFI’ and not ‘british film institute’ which i’ve never seen anyone (not even yanks) do. as another aside if you’ve been into cinema longer than 2022 you should be over that list by now.
i think welles said white sheik was his fav fellini too.

Cinema is so fucking gay and trite.

>>25199957
did you post this in the wrong thread?

>>25199963
Nope

>>25199957
It's actually the peak mode of storytelling.

>>25199977
threads about feminist literature

>>25199867
Sure bro you hide behind trolling and baiting whatever you say Mr. know nothing about the cinema. And as a matter of fact Federico Fellini happens to be my favorite director and I do love The White Sheik but saying: "Federico Fellini's earlier works are much much better" yeah ok what Youtube video essay or Reddit comment did you get that from? I bet you don't even know what a Dino Risi film is. Anyways, that is all, you can go watch Stalker now with your boyfriend or something.

Maybe the women should ask why they are hated.

>>25199996
quite telling your first instinct was reddit or yt essay videos. i vitelloni & white sheik are F’s best.
>I bet you don't even know what a Dino Risi film
that’s a really embarrassing thing to come out with.
>Mr. know nothing about the cinema
are you down syndrome?

one italian director who’s received something less than his due: castellani.

i don’t rate tarkovsky.

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>>25200010
I might watch Countersex and Ghosts, Italian style. Anyways, I can tell you are either very young or not right in the head. I will be off to watch C'eravamo Tanto Amati, easily one of the best Italian movies ever made.

>>25199988
You been following it?

>>25200069
>Anyways

>>25200004
Good point but good luck on that.

>>25199730
I must be a solitary exception then because i let people know very quickly. Though I think my age plays a factor, I'm turning 44 in June and by then you become too old to care anymore. Its like when your grandfather soils his Depends at the dinner table during Thanksgiving.

>>25197361
The worst part is that every class has topics specifically for women

>>25196483
This. If men are hating women, it’s for good reason and ultimately good.

Women are retards and absolutely being elevated at the cost of men and killing, imprisoning and impoverishing large swathes of men. Not to mention the psychological torture in schools/society and trying to convince men to neuter themselves.

Women aren’t hated enough.

>>25198755
Didn't know Robert Graves was pro-rape. Absolutely based.

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>>25199070
And Enjoy the Decline. It's about how to abuse the welfare system.

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>>25200294
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kAfn6c2DxNSA/

>>25200726
Whatever happened to him? I remember him being somewhat of a progressive libertarian back in the YouTube MGTOW era. He debated that one Distributist guy who ended up becoming a Moldbug advocate.

>>25196478
Woah… she’s talking about me!!!

>>25196478
>A lot of men are being exposed to misogynistic propaganda
Hahahahahahahaha. Men dont hate women because of "propaganda." Men hate women because we deal with them every single day. Women are our mothers, our teachers, our fellow students, our coworkers, our managers and HR reps, our entertainers, our policy makers, and no matter what their role in our life is women have positioned themselves as our enemy. From the cradle to the grave women belittle and villify us until our basic sexual urges are culturally considered evil, and just looking at a woman can ruin our lives forever. Men hate women because we've been dealing with you crazy, lazy, stupid fuckwits for decades, watching you screw up not only our jobs and our lives, but the very fabric of civilization.

>>25200299
well humans generally mated in nature (like all animals)

>>25200726
It’s insane this video is 7 years old. I’m just learning what this guy has been saying for nearly a decade since the last year, by being exposed to the science and data that just keeps coming out supporting these facts. Women simply cannot vote or hold power. If you have to go before a female judge, may god bless your soul.

>>25200726
Based TFM poster

>>25200775
He still streams on alternative platforms like Rumble and Bitchute since he got kicked off YouTube, he is a shill for Russia and China now and he got redpilled on the JQ since the October attacks, one of his co-hosts is a jew who is a huge Zionist shill.
He doesn't do debates anymore but I remember he did one with Destiny which was a complete shitshow.
He recently got unbanned from Twitter so you can follow him there.

He's also a friend with Aaron Clarey and reviewed and promoted multiple of his books.

>>25200999
I remember when people with that opinion were just a fringe minority but now more and more men are realizing that women should not have political power.

>>25201049
Link for Destiny debate

https://www.youtube.com/live/64ueMHqE4NU?is=NLRosBwGRzw498Gs

>>25200999
Trips, but ive known about him for nearly fifteen years. I was around when Bernard Chapin was still making content and that was like 2008. The whole anti-feminist thing hadn't really taken off yet and I always felt back then i found few people I could relate to over it. It was strange new territory back then. Now its everywhere.

>>25201049
>shill for China
That's horrific. Never understood what pushes people in that direction. Russians i can understand but the Chinese aren't even white.

>>25201049
I can never get anyone to promote my shit and sales have dried up. Everyone complains that so-called "incels" don't write but when one actually does its nothing but crickets. I don't get it.

>>25201056
He thinks BRICS is fighting against globohomo, his knowledge of geopolitics is pretty limited

>>25201087
Ridiculous assumption considering Brazil is part of it. As someone who was a content creator awhile back I usually backed my men's rights stuff with legitimate political philosophy. Many in his line of work tend to be one note singers. But I don't really do videos as much anymore. Too busy writing substack articles.

>>25201087
>>25201107
BRICS is completely made up it's really just China

>>25201122
China doesn't have military and natural resources so it's more like Russia and China

>>25201107
Most other people in the manosphere fall into nihilism or hedonism so he at least tries to have some philosophy even though it's just bastardized version of daoism.

>>25196489
>and reading the classics
lol, just lol

>>25201060
Clarey is not an incel

>>25200726
This shit is dumb as hell. Autistic men are dumb as fuck. Imagine writing seven hundred words on this topic when any man with a brain cell has thought about this already.
There will never be any solution to the normal problem, permanent solution. So you have 2 options:
-stop caring
-make fun of them. Relentlessly, then make that memetically popular, until they change.
These are your 2 options.
This degree of feminism is destroying society. We may not survive it. I dont care. If we do survive it, it will change because the conditions that enabled the social power in the first place will evaporate. Any means to "speed that along" either will bear no fruit, because people have rights (they should, too) or because whatever shit is in these guys heads will never happen and put them in jail, or they'll waste their lives crying online.
Until then, women do not care about 4 million page dissertations on x and neither do most men. I read a few words of this and am able to keep up more than the average person and I had to stop, because its just the same bullshit over and over and over again.
Normals clearly don't care. When things don't work, they exhaust themselves one way or another. Someone who can see these things, can speed it along by making fun of people. Theres really nothing else you can do that won't ruin your own life. But making fun of people is more than it sounds.
A woman would read this shit and her brain would go "gay." A normal man would be like "this is a fuckin dweeb/loser." And they'd be right bc the guy still hasn't figured out that writing these many words means you are a bitch

>>25201558
The solution is to replace women with robots and artificial wombs

>>25201558
not reading all that nerd

>>25196478
men hating women due to their personal experiences? boo hiss this is wrong. Just because your GF cheated on you and many women weaponized you opening up to them doesnt mean all women.

women hating men due to their personal experiences? yaaaas queen. yaaas go on that date and get a free meal and then ghost him. yaaas you were cat called (sexually assaulted) once, so you deserve to hate all men. all men are rapists. go off queen you know all men ruin this world it would be so much better if women ran this world!

>>25201605
also all male refugees from rapey third world countries are welcome because we are nice good people

I really wish the redpill wasn't so correct, I just finished comforting my retarded little sister who got into a situationship with chad (who eventually dumped her) and now she's all heartbroken about it.

>>25202216
>situationship
women cannot accept that this is simply an IQ test

>>25199319
Spoken like a true clueless sex-haver pervert retard, if you think a blowjob (!) is what an incel would want.

>>25202216
literally every time some woman is shook up over not getting the relationship they want, you just want to tell them "settle for someone 10% uglier", but they never will.

>>25203450
He’s being hyperbolic probably, but he’s not completely wrong. If they had a chance with someone they’d take it in a heartbeat.

>>25198788
What planet are you living on? Ask any woman what she's reading and if it isn't smut it's "women in x".

>>25203515
A chance at what?

>>25198853
Phallic figures from the Gravettian appear circumcised, so genital mutilation is probably as old as humanity.

>>25203583
A relationship

>>25203590
Don't disagree with that, but it's very different from what the initial poster wrote.

>>25203592
Yeah that’s why I think he was (I hope he’s not retarded enough for him be actually assuming what he said is true) exaggerating.

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>>25203589
>figures from the Gravettian appear circumcised (key word ‘appear’)
>so genital mutilation is probably as old as humanity
that’s a leap, wouldn’t you say?
going off their figurines we can also determine BBLs are probably as old as humanity.

>>25196478
>dates boyd rice once

>>25196667
you're unable to distinguish between serious intellectual work and retarded schizoposting, and for some reason you think this makes you a discerning, ascended patrician rather than a garden-variety retard

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>>25200775
https://rumble.com/user/TFMonkey

>>25205010
He just finished streaming
I like him but his co hosts are so dumb

>>25196529
>I for one stopped to listen to women
critical ESL hit. what you wrote means, you stopped what you were doing so that you may listen to women. you 'stop to' tie your shoe.

>>25196633
that subtitle has a bit different of a meaning now

>>25198929
>>25198931
I hate this

It's always fun to watch the absolute worst the male side of the species has to offer rail against women. "We build everything!" No, men stronger than you build things. "We invent everything!" No, people smarter than you invented things. You haven't done shit. "We write the best literature!" Your progression web novel sucks.

>>25198929
>multiple uteri and constantly inseminated
h-hot

>>25202216
>situationship
Kill zoomers

>>25201558
>Autistic men are dumb as fuck
You've clearly met none

>>25205490
This is 4Chan.
We're all autistic.
especially this thread

>>25201558
This is mostly cope, anon. It's fine if you want to cope but I'm not sure that you're aware that you are. I didn't read what you're responding to btw.

>And they'd be right bc the guy still hasn't figured out that writing these many words means you are a bitch
She says, on /lit/

>>25205467
You think those men who built civilization would support voting?

>>25202216
offer her some sympathy dick, to help get her over him

>>25205467
Did you fail econ 101 or...?

The male loneliness and depression crises is caused by men
Male incels deserve the fate they have solely because of how toxic they are to others (this doesn't include male incels who think of women as real people of equal worth)

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>>25196535
Is this you?

>>25206755
Weird, I thought women were of equal worth until I entered my first relationship, each subsequent one lowering my estimation of them. You ever considered that many of us just hate women because we’ve actually experienced their toxicity and fickleness? I feel incels don’t even know what women are actually like, enough to hate them anyway.

>>25196483
>>25196624
>>25199070
I recommend the 20 minutes short film "Gayniggers from outer space". It may not look like it, but it is a perfect representation of this thread.

>>25206796
hell ya that shit is fire a definite must watch

Is this what /lit/ is now? Do you people even read? I do my best to avoid the countless threads like this but when I look through them, all I see are a bunch of men and women arguing like schoolchildren with their console war tier politics. Leave this board if you’re gonna talk about this stuff. All of you.

>>25206805
Always was.

>>25205780
>You think those men who built civilization would support voting?
Yes, they would and already did.
That's why we have voting now.

>>25206913
Yeah, they supported voting, but they didn't support everyone voting. They didn't even support suffrage for Irish men.

>>25206792
>Weird, I thought women were of equal worth until I entered my first relationship, each subsequent one lowering my estimation of them. You ever considered that many of us just hate women because we’ve actually experienced their toxicity and fickleness?
your shit taste in women doesn't reflect on women as a whole, just as a woman's shit taste in men doesn't reflect on men as a whole.
There's a reason why men tend to become violent incels and women don't, and it's mainly because of how they're socialised and if they're willing to positively help those who are socially failing.
Evidently, men don't positively help men who are socially failing, hence why men tend to be so much more likely to be angry incels and go on weird rampages.
Men harm men with the patriarchy. The sooner you all realise, that the better.

>>25206937
>Yeah, they supported voting, but they didn't support everyone voting. They didn't even support suffrage for Irish men.
If you want ceaseless (and completely justified) protests and sabotage action, then go ahead and restrict anyone who lives within and contributes to your society by being working, or raising kids, or healing others, or creating art from voting.
If a group doesn't get a say in the way the society is run, but are still forced to work, then they're essentially slaves and will inevitably revolt.

>>25206974
>muh nawalt
OK simp

>>25205780
Support women voting*

>>25206993
Most women were happy not voting and many women didn't even support it

>>25206974
Are you a woman? If not you really should go to reddit or something, I’m serious. I have the feeling they’ll love your kind there.

>>25207606
Some women opposed it far more fervently than men actually.

>>25206805
No, I don't read feminist propaganda. Glad to have enlightened you.

>>25207817
Whatever that slop is in the OP, it’s not literature.

>>25206805
I talk about literature in other threads (although I don't post too much since I've not got too much to say). Obvious propaganda/woman-subversive threads like this just get trolled until the cunts who make them leave the board.

>>25206913
No, a tiny minority of elite men did. Referendums were studiously avoided. Feminism has always been a disease afflicted on humanity from the top down.

>>25207830
>from the top down
ie the people that actually built society

>Men Who Hate Women
>The Extremism Nobody is Talking About
That seems to be all anyone ever talks about these days though. What little remained of 'the left' in the 21st century was decisively obliterated by this state-sponsored obsession with superficial identity politics.

>>25206974
Men and women are both extremely liable to moral failure and anyone who does not recognize that is a fucking idiot in a cult. Or, to be charitable, a pissed off young person.

>>25204794
>serious intellectual work
yes I'm sure your doctoral thesis about the effects of patriarchal colonial whiteness on lesbian cat dance therapy was groundbreaking stuff

>>25206974
No you lying retard it's entirely because of testosterone. FTMs commit school shootings about as much as men do per capita.

It's insane that we let women just make up whatever retarded horseshit "feels true" to them and then force everyone to take it seriously. You belong in a kitchen or, maybe, in stable of whores at absolute best. Do not post here again.

>>25206974
We don’t like sexism here, please make your way back to a more misandristic place of discussion. Or better yet, kill yourself and maybe your carcass will block out the olfactory assault originating in your smelly, mile wide cunt.

>>25206974
The seething replies to this post proves that you are right.

>>25209873
It's not "because" of anything. Hormonal profiles tend to correlate, though not in an absolute sense, to different forms of harm and predation, and instrumentalization. Males with adequate androgens (these can still be low and have an outsized effect) tend to commit physical violence, engage in overt humiliation and cruelty (destroying the holy site of another in war, throwing money in a poor man's face to make him feel small), etc.
Women with adequate estrogens tend to engage in social murder, reputational warfare, deceit, etc.
But both sexes have engaged in both sets of these behaviors throughout time. It's not because of anything. Humans have agency, and constraints. Game theory.
And all humans are capable of good & evil. Ideological feminists are self sucking retards, in a Jim Jones level of cult.

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I remember my first "Red Pill." I signed into 4Chan one day thinking it was a website about Japanese animation, and saw that there was a whole subreddit devoted to how women are epic fail. I was immediately intrigued. I clicked on a comment thread posted by a user named HateWomenBecauseImBitter420 who explained in detail how all my problems of being a racist incel loser are due to women. It made perfect sense. I liked all his posts, and he sent me a DM asking if I would like to join his private group chat with other bitter incels.

I spent a year with them. We called ourselves the Pepelulz. I almost went insane, but miraculously, one day a woman was nice to me even though I was rude to her and called her a "roastbeefie," and something in my heart told me I had to listen to her. I asked her to help me understand why I'm such a bitter incel. She said I should work out and take a shower, so I did, and then I got a girlfriend and now everything is fine. I have never been to 4Chan.com since.

The manosphere, incel culture, etc. are all just a consequence of material reality. If a 5/10 guy could go on dating apps (or go to a club or a bar and pick up chicks there, whatever) and match with a hundred non-obese women that would be enthusiastically willing to go on dates and have sex with him all this stuff wouldn't exist. The reality is that men just have diminished romantic and sexual agency compared to women. A woman can have no tits, no ass (or on the opposite end, be obese) and be a 4/10 in the face and she'll have the equivalent dating experience of a male model.

>>25210039
>The reality is that men just have diminished romantic and sexual agency compared to women. A woman can have no tits, no ass (or on the opposite end, be obese) and be a 4/10 in the face and she'll have the equivalent dating experience of a male model.
I highly doubt this. At least on the obese end.

>>25209848
yeah, you straight up cannot talk about working class problems now.
In fact, that's considered a "dog whistle", because a lot of the working class are disgruntled white people who want their factory jobs and safe neighborhoods back.

The left are only allowed to talk about how institutions are racist, about how there are 35 genders, and how there's an "epidemic" of sexism coming from some nebulous place on the internet that they haven't fully managed to censor yet.

>>25210108
you’re describing a very online version of ‘the left’. jobs, wages, healthcare, housing costs, rent, job security, energy bills are talked about all the time. that’s basically half of politics. you’re not being silenced - you’re repeating one of the most common talking points in politics right now.

>>25210122
They only care about that stuff in as much as it effects women and minorities. They don't want to help white men get homes and jobs.

>>25210131
well those policies are universal. also you’ve shifted the point from ‘you can’t talk about working-class issues’ to ‘they don’t really care’. starting to sound like you’re arguing with a caricature.

>>25210168
most stuff around wages, housing, healthcare, taxes doesn’t require you to be a woman or a minority.

>>25210160
they will actively tell you how much they don't care about any problems you have if you're a white man.
Immediately you're the "they took our jerbs" redneck from South Park, or some kind of deranged hate preacher.
And don't say "that's only online", because you know full well that all discourse centers on what happens online these days.

>>25210131
>They don't want to help white men get homes and jobs.
They correctly think that being a white guy is easy street toward homes and jobs. And it is. I'm a white guy and I never had any problems advancing in career and salary. Like zero difficulty.

I actually think it is pathetic and feminine that white guys have started complaining like this rather than just putting in the effort.

>>25210239
>they will actively tell you
who’s ‘they’? politicians? activists? media? because those aren’t the same group. if you think online discourse is hostile, that’s still not the same as policy. housing shortages, cost of living, deindustrialisation, zero-hours contracts, regional investment, NHS (in UK), unions, etc. are central in politics.

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>>25210262
The left in the UK have spent the past few years calling working class people far right extremists for having a problem with rape and murder, and currently they're threatening to get rid of the dogs to appease Muslims.
Sorry, when am I supposed to feel like any of these people are on my side?

>>25210254
see, there's this group of people called the poor...

>>25202216
>situationship
actual real misogyny that retarded feminists tricked themselves into believing was a valuable prize because men who treat women like meat did it first.
I love women but they straight up don't have the ability to predict how actions will affect themselves/others. Just got into an argument with my sister because she was complaining women have to bark at creeps on public transport to be safe... and then called me crazy for suggesting the only solution is flaying those people alive publicly (or something similar, whatever). They want a world that doesn't exist and ignore real solutions for being too "mean".

>>25206755
>the male depression crisis
go ahead and look up stats sorted by gender for anti-depression drug use for me. We're all in the same boat, you can't say men are having a rough time & deserve it and in the same breath mourn the state of the world for women

>>25206805
/lit/ has always been like this: literature touches deeply divisive topics and the ensuing discussion is similarly so

I feel like the greatest internal problem of feminism is that it doesn't recognize that it's not men who want to oppress women, but more accurately women who resent like nothing else when they aren't oppressed. Women's oppression, insofar that it actually exists, is almost exclusively driven by women who feel nothing but spite for men who they see as too weak to assert themselves over them. Weakness is the only thing women will never be able to forgive a man for. Any oppression that men exhibit themselves is just a product of women selecting super hard for that shit in relationships.

>>25210651
I've just come to the conclusion that women, with what you said and their suicidal empathy, actually want to get raped and they just bring it on themselves.

>>25210563
> got into an argument with my sister
Just basically any time I'm around her this happening. I'm talking about my own sister not yours.

>>25210551
Bodied that yuppie

>>25206974
>Men harm men with the patriarchy
>patriarchy
No such thing, not in the past, not now. Men have always existed in service to women, men have never actually truly been free.

>>25210254
>I'm a white guy and I never had any problems advancing in career and salary. Like zero difficulty.
Must be nice hanging out with the good old boy WASP types at your country club huh?

>>25198921
So glad I'm American. Uncut dicks are fucking revolting.

>>25196535
>ad hominem, genetic fallacy, appeal to authority
>calling someone else a retard
You can choose one.

>>25210707
Not all WASPs are rich though. I'm one of many examples.

>>25210039
Its basically because rape isn't legal, but that wasn't always the case. The manosphere is a contemporary phenomenon. I'm not saying you should just go out and grope a woman if you damn well please but all the legal red tape has made relationships damn near impossible.

>>25210547
>currently they're threatening
i have to point out again there is no single ‘they’. should go without saying there’s no serious policy or mainstream movement trying to ‘get rid of dogs’; your post reads more like an online narrative than a reflection of actual policy or day-to-day reality. and it’s hard to square your utilitarian pose with how much emotional accusations and scattered outrage you’re pouring in.

>>25211012
NTA, and I can’t speak for the dogs thing, but my reality is that I see it every day, you’ll find them everywhere. They have no manners either, I went shopping the other day and it was filled to the brim with them, coughing without covering their mouths, getting in your way, knowing it too. dirty looks like they want to kill you. The locals (who had always lived here) were very polite and were familiar with etiquette. My girlfriend and I ended up arguing about it because I called this out, seeing as how she’s a bit of a sheltered rich retard herself, I can understand her ignorance, as I can understand yours. Doesn’t mean I don’t think you’re both fucking stupid though.

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>>25198929
>live to see stroggification

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>>25196483
The decline of men approaching women functions like a political shock even when nobody frames it that way.
It reshapes family formation. Fewer approaches mean fewer relationships, later marriages, lower birth rates, and accelerating demographic decline. That feeds directly into labor shortages, pension stress, immigration politics, and generational conflict. Governments can pass incentives but they cannot legislate attraction or courage.

Second, it polarizes gender politics. Many women interpret non-approach as disinterest or resentment while many men experience it as rational risk avoidance shaped by social sanction, economic precarity, and fear of misreading norms. Each side builds narratives about the other and political movements harvest those grievances.

Third, it weakens informal social trust. Approaching a stranger used to be a low-level civic act that trained people to tolerate rejection, ambiguity, and difference. When that disappears, people retreat into apps, algorithms, and identity-filtered spaces which harden group boundaries and reduce empathy.

Fourth, it shifts power to platforms and institutions. Dating apps, HR departments, and legal frameworks mediate intimacy that used to be negotiated face to face. That concentrates cultural authority in systems optimized for liability management and profit, not human bonding.

Finally, it produces downstream radicalization. Large populations of unattached men historically correlate with instability, withdrawal, or extremist politics. Most do not become violent but many disengage from civic life, work, and optimism itself which is politically corrosive.

I've clocked out and stopped listening to them after I've learned their entire concept of violence and hate is vibes based. You can't have a meaningful discussion about something like this when who the perpetrator is more important than what he is doing.

>>25211022
this is drifting way off point now. if you’re unhappy about someone being rude or getting in your way you’re best bringing it up with them rather than your girlfriend or strangers on 4chan.

>>25211116
You don’t think I did? They don’t even speak English.

>>25211120
even then, it just means you had a communication issue in a specific situation. issues like this are normally handled there in the moment, not through legislature.

>>25211085
Don't think I could've put it better if I'd tried.

>>25197345
Yes

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>>25211085
I am saving this for further use

>>25211085
fair enough, I agree. however, do you think it will have to get to a point where attraction will simply be legislated regardless? Shinto Abe before he died basically got on his perch about it in Japan.
>Second, it polarizes gender politics. Many women interpret non-approach as disinterest or resentment while many men experience it as rational risk avoidance shaped by social sanction, economic precarity, and fear of misreading norms. Each side builds narratives about the other and political movements harvest those grievances.
I'd chalk this up as basically the fact that society in of itself walks on eggshells over sexual harassment claims which can't be verified by either party. Those things at their core, are sentiments, which David Hume correctly asserted drives a lot of human behavior. whether or not that's true or whether these women are basically engaging in "risk-avoidance" of their own volition can't be assumed either. we do not know what goes on inside other peoples' minds, especially considering there's no answer to the "hard problem of consciousness", we don't know how choices are made by minds let alone how a mind thinks in the first place but maybe someone more well-read on human behavior and neuroscience can shed some light on this.

>>25198921
I hate living in Ohio.

>>25211168
We will see a return of arranged marriages

>>25211012
people they allow in the media, which is to say the left, because the left controls the institutions.

>>25205467
>women (as a monolithic entity) are and have historically always been oppressed by men (monolithic entity)! It's called the Patriarchy (TM)
>actually men [insert x good thing about men as a sex/gender]
>nuh-uh that wasn't (You) specifically! that was OTHER men!
weirdly convenient huh...

>>25211085
Historically, men weren't really cold approaching. Women would do shit like drop something in front of the man and he could pick it up and introduce himself. We got telephone-gamed into some fantasy where a man is supposed to confidently rizz up some rbf skeezy with no hint of conscientiousness, and that was only possible for retarded boomer narcissists.