>>25203920
Epstein parties.
Rethink your life and work, frenchman.

>>25203920
How did Houellebecq become an icon for incel ideology when all of his novels are about characters who fuck a lot? With the exception of one character in Extension du domaine de la lutte, who's just being maniupulated by a resentful Chad anyway.

>>25203928
Remove the fucking aspect and it's just eloquent r9k posting

>>25203937
it's basically: "Freaking 68'ers created a sexual marketplace and now I have to bang 8's instead of 10's :("

>>25203944
its worse than that... men who fuck are exalted those who fail at it get to be treated with fear and ridicule. Just look at viral media posts of 'creepy guys leering' at women on public transport = its 99% brown men. Now if you raise the question why are they all brown feminists will claim "under patriarchy all men are predatory pigs its a male thing not a race thing" , but if you ask why do only browns get plastered online if whites are doing it as well?

>>25203964
He was just quoting Wellbeck (who was quoting Clouscard) instead of stating his opinion autismo-kun

>>25203928
The incels of his era were fucking uggos beneath their looksmatch, now you’re fucking nobody because the field is even more lopsided. They’re tied together by the same sexual politics including a society actively resisting you talking about the way it works. Even that’s become more extreme, people hounded him for his wrongthink, today you’re beset by cops for posting on a shitter account (depending on country from bad to worse, congrats bongs and koalas).

>>25203979
Why do they insist on going after them? They just want sex, but cops hound them for wanting basic affection. What gives?

>>25203979
Also why the Anglosphere for some reason?

most of the time I feel like being an incel is less about sex than assumed, as much as I dont have it

>>25203995
its about intimacy, finding a romantic partner, or even just feeling desired by someone. It is why porn, AI girlfriends, or even hiring hookers wont help solve this. This world of love and relationships is presented to us as essential to the human experience yet for some reason we are excluded from it, it is closed to us.

>>25203920
Dude looks rough for 34

>>25203920
Maybe you just aged poorly

>>25204054
>even just feeling desired by someone
this is the core of the issue which eats away at my soul forever

>>25204166
what do you want? Be desired in a "omg hez hawt" type of way, or "he eventually grew on me and now I love him"

i have thought about this and i feel there needs to be a second sexual revolution to fix the problems of the first, also everyone getting laid might relieve stress on society

>>25204199
I have an issue where I equate the idea of someone taking me seriously into them possibly considering me erotically. I've fallen in an unrequited love with a number of people in my life, simply because I believed that they seriously engaged with what I said.

>>25203920
The sexual revolution is just being in hell and pretending it's the antechamber to enlightenment through evolution. Aren't we all just apes with televisions and big bombs?

>>25204212
Just legalize the fucking brothels already.

>>25204212
The issue is no one desiring marriage and also marriage with children. The average secular person just lives in a gay death cult built on electronic media and 85 IQ lies.

>>25203920
>sexual revolution was a party we weren't invited to
yup. unless youre an older millennial from a good home, you will never know what family used to be like, but you can read the prophet by frank peretti

>>25204244
>no one desiring marriage and also marriage with children
women are the ones who absolutely refuse to be married and murder children

>>25203920
>I got hurled racist slurs at

>>25203990
>(((why)))
one guess

>>25204285
I refuse to get married because it's largely a one-sided contract that solely benefits women. She gets bored? She can clean out your bank account, have you paying alimony for 20 years and chemically castrate your son into you "daughter" for internet points. The system's broken.

When I was a teenager I liked to read books, go on walks in forests and pick up insects and forage for mushrooms. I wasn't beating on the doors of the sexual revolution to be let in, why would I be interested? Not everyone was a perverted propagandised by American spiritual poison.

>>25203928
>resentful Chad
He was a failed normie at best.

>>25204312
god speak

>>25204480
So you didn't jerk off or is that wholesome and not perverted for some reason?

>>25204515
I'm not Christian so I never saw it as perverted. I started masturbating when I was 14 because of puberty.

>>25203920
where is that quote when he compares criteria to participate in 'free love' to those of nazism.

>>25204335
>I refuse to get married because it's largely a one-sided contract that solely benefits women. She gets bored? She can clean out your bank account, have you paying alimony for 20 years and chemically castrate your son into you "daughter" for internet points. The system's broken.
right. and despite all that, the women are the ones refusing to be married, because they refuse to endorse a man, since because no one is married and no fault divorce made marriage illegal, if a woman says shes married, that means she has to endorse everything her husband does, or else she would divorce him

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>>25204515
masturbation accomplishes nothing, but it is everyones favorite topic
>>25204535
>I'm not Christian
hopefully, thats not because you were told that ceiling cat is watching you fap and every time you masturbate God sends a domokun to kill a kitten

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>had sex today
>completely performative
>gave wife two orgasms without even cumming myself
Meh

>>25206269
>>completely performative
>>wife
how can you be performative with someone who youre always going to be with? theres no purpose to performing, therefore however you act is how you act authentically

>>25203920
Don't be creepy. Simple as.

>>25206271
NTA but you just don't get it

>>25206284
i dont see how rendering your marital duty can be more performative than making the coffee in the morning and pouring her a cup when you have a hangover and dont want any coffee

>>25206299
>>25206271
performative could just mean perfunctory in this context

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>>25203920
All the attractive women who would make great wives and mothers are taken in high school and college the latest. Whatever remains is taken shortly after they enter the workforce. There exist very few good looking (7 and above) women that are single and have a good heart, are modest, raised in a decent family, soft spoken and pretty. The window of opportunity when they are single is very very narrow. These are the 2% of women, the highest stock of females this wonderful creation can offer. If you don't frequent their circles or the events they attend you have no chance of meeting them. Women also don't go anywhere alone, so whatever hobbies women have or events they attend it is done with their husband or boyfriend and if they are single with their groups of friends.

tldr; there simply aren't enough single good looking young white women to go around for everybody, they are rare and exist mostly in very niche places where men without social circles (loners) can't get in to

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The incel crisis is largely due to modern men being pathetic, spineless faggots. Modern men are truly pathetic faggots, or atleast of those countries that've accepted western institutions, culture & ideas en masse. They'd rather dandy maxx like legit faggots to appease m'lady-a turbo thot land whale or an ozempic maxxed, plastic surgery maxxed thot with uncanny physique and with both of these categories always wearing 50kg of fakeup, rather than Talichad maxxing and laughing at the idea of womemes getting rights or being treated equally as a man. The answer to modern gynocracy-degeneracy is obviously an incel revolution, but as I'd said b4, modern men are too cucked and cowardly as hell to launch become an incel mujahideen and to launch an incel jihad.
>https://sourcing-lab.com/korean-men-bts-male-beauty-revolution/
>In South Korea, every man in their early 20s has to serve 2 years in the army. It’s here that most of them start caring more about their skin. The products furnished by the Korean army are extremely harmful to the skin, it makes it dry and can cause acne.
>To answer the demand, Korean cosmetics brands as Tony Moly, for example, created camo cream with more respectful formulas to not damage the skin of the soldiers. They also launched military-themed cleansing foams and skincare essentials. Indeed, Korean men also spend more time and money in their skincare routine during their military service to nourish their skin. They also buy more sunscreen to protect their skin from sun exposure.
>The entrepreneur Dino Ha, who’s running a cosmetics startup Memobox said once, “All guys who went through the military, you almost become a semi-expert in beauty”.

Iirc, there are literal skincare tutorials in the south korean military for men. LOLOL

>>25203944
>Freaking 68'ers created a sexual marketplace and now I have to bang 8's instead of 10'
More like "I have to bang 2s instead of 6s" but yeah

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>>25203944
>Proceeds to make slut-cuckold ancestry the norm
Brutal. Billions got bastardmaxxed in the process anon

Mid and below men don't get pussy anymore because women don't have to settle for them in order to survive anymore. Simple as.

>>25203988
It simply is not meant for everyone

>>25204054
>for some reason
I am positive you can identify several

>>25204240
As if that would fix anything

95% of the people on this board would have never been born if dating market then had been like it is now. Your mother would have not giving your 5 dad a second glance in a world where Tinder and Hinge exist.

>>25207908
*given

>>25204054
Porn, AI Girlfriends are the problem. Erasure of community and third spaces is the problem. The non socially proactive will, for 80% of the time, take the dopaminergic path of least resistance and watch porn. The rest of the time, in brief moments of relative lucidity, they will complain.

The only hope is to change yourself to fit the new world we live in, adapt or die.

Maybe bars aren't OP's venue, there are different spaces for different people, just try your best.

>>25207908
>he doesn't know that all modern people under the age of 40 are literal bastard children who were born to slut mothers and slut embracing cuckold fathers.
Sorry to break this to you, but only a tiny minority of women can afford to be single mommies. the rest will have to settle down with a cuckold beta ready to embrace the slut momma warmly

>>25207937
>my mom is a whore so must be everyone else's
That's some mighty projection

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>>25207943
not mine
t.turd worlder
Don't wish to sound racist, but when this was the trend for the past 50+ years, you know it's ovarida

>>25207937
> have child with man 1
> have relationship with man 2
> both men chosen by the exact same criteria
the point of doing it is social power

>>25207950
truthnuke, all americans alive today are sons of whores and cucks, except for israel worshiping boomers

>>25204212
I read 'extension du domaine de la lutte' a couple of days ago.
We have been living under sexual liberalism for so long that the damage is done: the only way to change the sorry state of the sexual economy would be to remove women's rights, which I don't agree with ethically.

If I remember correctly, in 'extension du domaine de la lutte', the incel character gets tipped over the edge after he tries to hook up with a 15 year old girl in some trendy nightclub, and she prefers a young, strong nig over the 35-year old office rat that he is.
Am I wrong in thinking that the guy was delusional and retarded for even considering that an option? Is that how the sexual liberation fucked him over?

>>25208195
So then, your conclusion is that worshiping Israel is the mentally healthy state of mind attained readily by the non-cuckchild?

>>25208195
it was boomers who'd initiated this proud tradition of cuckoldry though.

>>25203928
the "fucking a lot" parts of his novels display how hollow the so-called "ultimate good" of modern western society is. We currently only value a human being in terms of how much they fuck, and lo and behold when that's finally actually achieved it's meaningless.

how is male loneliness even real lol

nigga like 90% of all whores are women, go hire one, this problem has been solved for all of human history lmao

you think dudes living in bronze age Uruk were like "oh man life is so hard because I cannot find a wife willing to marry my ugly mud-brick laying ass with only a hovel next to an open sewer to my name"

they went to the temple of ishtar and banged a prostitute-priestess to feel better about life

>b-b-but that's illegal!
Skill issue

>>25208389
You assume all men want the same things. This is incorrect. I think many incels, perhaps not all but many, THINK they want to date, to have sex, to start families etc because this is what they've been TOLD their entire life that this is what they SHOULD do and what they SHOULD want, but deep down they don't want these things, they just don't. But they can't admit that they don't want these things (they would, according to the bounds established by their societal conditioning, thus be "failures"), so they force themselves to participate in these rituals that do nothing for them, where they are not fueled by love or lust or passion, where they are doing it just to say they tried to themselves, and when things don't work out, not because they are rejected but because even if they weren't rejected they wouldn't enjoy it, they resent the system that's told them they need to do these rituals and practices that do nothing but torture them.

>>25208367
Its the narrator's coworker, Tisserand, who attempts to hit on the girl in the club. Although a 30-year old virgin, he still has hope: he tries, albeit fruitlessly, to seduce women.
On the other hand, the narrator is completely black-pilled: he has given up entirely on having sex/ getting a girlfriend. He sees Tisserand as foolish - how will an ugly loser like him ever experience sex?

>>25207908
Actually my father was literally the bad boy chad stereotype (very attractive man + got busted by the police for stealing cars), it's him who would not have settled with mom if it was like today. But yeah I would not have been born regardless lmao.

>>25208406
It also doesn't help that social media constantly flashes images of attractive women in your face so if you're already feeling insecure that can feel like someone dangling a carrot in your face 24/7 but not letting you eat it.

>>25208406
>bro you THINK you want sex
>bro you THINK you want affection
>bro you THINK you want to be desired
>YOU ACTUALLY WANT nothing in particular
these are fundamental human needs and wants, how does one even begin to think like this?

>"sexual revolution"
>heterosexuality still exists
??

Incelism is merely fordist nostalgia, though there are queer demands it poses.

>>25208979
proving my point

>>25207908
I'm in the 5%. My father was good looking and my mom fell in love at first sight. My grandma warned her not to marry him, because he was a high school dropout and heavy drinker, but my mom didn't listen, she loved him that much.
I'm almost the complete opposite.

>>25208406
Maybe. My testosterone is actually very low. I'm not gay or asexual, but I think I never felt the same strong desire as other men. My friends were perfectly fine being humiliated, spending tons of time and money to get even just an average girl, I never had the same drive.

>>25208406
Completely, utterly wrong. What it is and what you're halfway detecting is that they know they are totally unattractive (or think they aren't) and, between that, having half naked women plastered EVERYWHERE, and the double edged sword of porn, quickly develop a kind of learned helplessness that stunts all their woman-seeking instincts while inflaming their lust. Low T probably exacerbates it.

Also: Tits or GTFO.

>>25211550
proving my point.

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>>25208389
>>25208406
>>25209139
>>25208979
This whole line of thinking is just overly intellectualizing and overly complicating a problem where the reason is actually exactly what your first instinct is.

I was a virgin until I was 26. I always had tons of male friends I hung out with, had always gotten along with girls in school, had always done sports and was in shape, had always dressed decently, etc. But I was just always paralyzed by the idea of making a move. I had drunkenly kissed a girl in high school at a party, and probably a couple more in college. But moving beyond that I was always frozen with fear. Asking a girl out that I was friendly with in class for instance was something I was always too big of a pussy to do. I was too self-conscious to dance at parties as well, so that was out of the question. My friends weren't nerdy but were never really the types to have a ton of hot girls around so it never really organically happened that way.

Before I knew it I had left college and was working a job and all of a sudden I was never around girls at all anymore except in bars, where I was too afraid to go talk to them. I tried apps but I had never really used social media so I didn't have any good pictures. After a couple of years of abject failure I finally was able to scrounge decent enough pictures to match with some chubby girl that I took out to get drinks a few times before bringing her home and banging her. Still was too afraid to make the first move and she literally asked me at one point if I was a virgin (I had always lied about this and told people I lost it in college, still do. Never admit this to anyone). It was bad, I could barely stay hard because she was fatter than I find attractive and I was so anxious. But I did it, lost it at 26. Matched with several more girls who I banged, picked up a girl or two in person, went through a couple of girlfriends and now at 30 I'm dating the woman I'm going to marry.

Was I an incel until 26 because it "wasn't what I really wanted"? No, absolutely not, I had always wanted both the wet hole and affection of a hot girl and I still do. I was an incel because...I just couldn't figure it out. In my particular case it was low confidence. I later learned from girls I had known when I was a teenager at summer camp and in school that they had always had crushes on me but I was too autistic to see it and too much of a pussy to act on it even if I did. I had always had all of the right ingredients (friendly personality, looks, friends, success, etc) but I just didn't know how to interact with women or was too afraid.

Now, is low confidence the problem with every incel? No, although I suspect it is probably the problem with many. There's certainly some who are just too ugly or autistic. But ultimately it's just a matter of not being able to make it work and get with a girl.

>>25211749
I almost got married last year (and I'm the one who left her). Even being a fatass I don't have problems getting women. You're literally wrong about everything you've posted in this itt thread.

>>25211792
>I later learned from girls I had known when I was a teenager at summer camp and in school that they had always had crushes on me but I was too autistic to see it and too much of a pussy to act on it even if I did.
And it didn't strike you as truly infuriating that *they* didn't act on it? I don't understand the mindset of guys who blame themselves for girls acting like abject retards. You want something, you fucking ask for it.

>>25211792
I feel bad for you, that's maybe the worst chain of events that could ever have happened to you. You missed all the cool high school and college sex to waste your virginity on some fat whore you didn't even like. At 26 you should have just given it to your wife, and now you won't even have that. Unfortunately for you, you were psyopped by a bunch of shitty teen movies written by jews.

Of course, your wife is some walled whore, so would you really wanted to have gifted her yours when she threw hers away probably more than a decade ago? I take it back. I think that would have been worse.

Test

>>25212073
I'm not responsible for their actions, I'm responsible for mine. Obviously the onus wasn't on them, they're women.

>>25212073
I'm responsible for my actions, not theirs. Obviously the onus was on me, they're women.

>>25212073
I'm responsible for my actions, not theirs. The onus was on me to make a move, they're women.

>>25203964
Being in a relationship is over rated, it's way better to be single. I can't stand talking to 95% of people.

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>>25212100
>you missed all of the fun casual sex in your late teens
>you were psyoped into having a ton of casual sex in your late 20s

>>25212139
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>>25212178
Shove your multiple replies up your onus.

How the fuck are you guys managing to stay incel? I had sex and girlfriends while living at home, unemployed and a high school dropout. Just apply yourselves.

>>25212299
>several more
>couple girlfriends
>A TON
the beta provider is always convinced he came away pretty average and it was worth it.

>>25212753
Incel is now and has always been a buzzword. they aren't really real as the term is commonly understood. You can always provide drugs to white trash chicks and it's basically free.

>>25212657
You can give him a break, the servers were fucked last night

>>25212753
Easy spent way too much time wasting away with porn.Killed my interest in real sex and realised too late that I missed chances at learning about women. Eh Im probly not missing much

>>25213011
>the beta provider is always convinced he came away pretty average and it was worth it.
I've slept with more women than she has men. I'm not in a beta provider situation at all, she bends over backwards for me and I do whatever I want. The best part is that her grandfather is an eccentric rich entrepreneur, there are plenty of perks that come with that and long term I stand to gain quite a bit if I can angle it correctly.

>>25211792
I asked out a lot of women, even did cold approaches and so on when PUA was popular. I gave up after 550 tries, and that included several girls from my social circle, not just cold approach.
Usually people don't believe this, they think at some point someone will say yes just by pure luck, but when you're actually ugly and autistic I guess it can happen.

>>25213412
I think cold approach is a little outdated in a lot of circumstances. Like randomly walking up to a girl on the street or at a coffee shop probably worked much better 20 years ago for an average man than it would now because of how the culture has shifted. For all their faults, Millenials are still very socially normal and open. Zoomers have a lot of really weird hang ups with how they interact in public and with strangers and I think Zoomer girls in general would not go for this unless you're very good looking and even then it's a toss up. On a college campus or at a bar it's a different story, but you still have to be at least average looking. If you're straight up ugly I think there are things you can do with hair and grooming and clothing to mitigate it but obviously ymmv and you may have to lower your standards.

If you're at least average looking but just autistic, that's a different and easier problem. As an autist there's a sort of aloof charisma/confidence you can have that will make it look less retarded. Like whatever autistic shit you end up saying or doing, if you're doing it in a compelling way where you 100% believe it rather than a kind of awkward "is this the right way" type of way, you can pull it off. You have to stand by the fact that your autistic way of doing things is the right way and everyone else is wrong and be willing to defend it with whatever retarded logic you have behind why you do it that way. As long as you do it confidently and charismatically, girls will take it as correct.

>>25207839
Then why are Korean foids complaining that Korean men are toxically masc?

>>25213471
Because foids will say whatever gives them power.

>>25204230
>simply because I believed that they seriously engaged with what I said.

They probably were. You probably feel that's extraordinary and fall in love immediately. Be happy that it's nothing special, you are more regular than you think and that means people actually listen to you

Is Clouscard worth reading if you like Houellebecq? I am interested in his insights on the sexual revolution, but his writings on music are very retarded.

>>25213466
I probably wouldn't cold approach today, but as I said that was when PUA was popular, so pretty much 20 years ago.
Now I'm almost 40, kinda got used to it, but sometimes I do wonder what I would feel like if I at least got lucky a few times.

>>25204328
Yeah but why do they target us specifically?

>>25204282
I was but I also was a sperg

>>25206145
This is why men should be able to enslave women. We need to cum, its in our genetics.

>>25206154
I was raised Lutheran but my parents were rather liberal about masturbation as long as I did it in my room and nowhere else.

>>25206277
Easier said than done. Also it doesn't really matter if women think a man is creepy or not. Their opinions are secondary and these are the same women who go home with guys who beat them and cheat on them. Never forget that.

>>25207950
>>25208195
This kind of behavior is why I'm indifferent to third world shitholes getting bombed by us.

>>25213471
Women are overgrown children. Never take anything they say seriously. #believenowomen

>>25213656
Having a masturbation policy with your parents is kind of insane

>>25213678
it wasn't so much a general policy but rather a guideline, they weren't like other Christians who said it would make my palms hairy or anything.

>>25206284
Oh, so you're basically a wife bad political cartoon boomer who takes his family for granted.

>>25213813
when was the last time you got dick toots, chill out for gods sake you sound like my wife

>>25208996
do you stay awake at night dreaming up bullshit to spout on anonymous forums all day? is it a bug or a feature?

>>25213466
why does society let women dictate this shit?

>>25212753
I think a lot of women don't understand that as a man 1) its harder than a woman to obtain sex in the first place and 2) you're always desiring it. women will never understand that when those two things are combined, life is hellish. imagine living your entire life controlled by your dick and balls. it sucks, and I know well enough.

>>25213820
Because women have higher standards in men than men have in women. The historical alternative has been utilitarian arranged marriages that politically benefit you or your dad's family. But you're not ending up with your perfect waifu that way either, she could be fat, ugly, a stuck up cunt, etc. So pick your poison.

>>25213845
>The historical alternative
the historical alternative is that women prostituted themselves when the welfare state didnt pay for their doordash

>>25213845
I for one would prefer the inverse honestly. but I never understood why that's the default frame of reference for social customs instead of letting arranged marriages become the norm again. sure my wife could be a nagging bitch but at the very least I could be having sex. but society is unwilling to take that risk.

>>25213856
Maybe if you're poor and grew up in a broken home.

>>25213858
It was a pretty slow process from kin-based marriages to fully consensual ones and they haven't really been the norm for a couple of centuries in the West now. I couldn't see it ever coming back in any less than the same amount of time.

>>25213877
kek how many princesses do you think there were in europe at a given time, 100% of you are useless for peasant work so you had to shack up with a man or starve you stupid bitch

>>25213820
Ask your cuck dad as to why he'd decided to marry a ran through slut.
Desperate, spineless males -> acceptance of debauchery and arbitrary standards set by foids -> even more production of spineless cuckdancing males -> even more foid debauchery.

>>25213888
rude, but that wasn't actually the case. my father was actually the philanderer, not my mother. he was a good looking musician and allegedly had a bad coke habit. he looked like young Jerry Garcia. this was the 70s.

>>25213877
except maybe through force

>>25203990
puritanism, "republicanism" and mock up fear of fascism

>>25213886
I'm a man, you're just retarded. European peasants had extended kinship networks similar to how clans in the Middle East work today. Marriage for them worked fairly similarly to how marriage for modern Arab dirt farmers works. The medieval and early modern periods encompass a slow, multi-centuries process moving from clans to nuclear families.

>>25213912
>except maybe through force
I just don't see it happening, the vast majority of people wouldn't even want this or know what to do with it.

>>25213912
>he was a good looking musician
Well given the fact that there was only about 15-20% chance of a woman not being ran through back then, I highly doubt it. Another reason is simply that no decent woman back then would've married someone like your dad as these pop musician types were often known for being degenerates even in the 50s. So yeah, your mommy's body count could've been low, but your chadly daddy who'd married your mom, was very much a cuck, sadly.
I suppose the only reason men back then tolerated ran through women was because they could've seen it as a nothin burger as long as women's bodycounts remained lower than their own. It was also the trap they fell for unfortunately.

>>25213965
I don't get what compels people to obsess over the sex lives of people they've never met. couldn't be me.

>>25213931
>I just don't see it happening, the vast majority of people wouldn't even want this or know what to do with it.
the vast majority of people are idiots in need of a ruler, the only true democracy is when white male landowning heterosexuals have voting power.

>>25213915
fascism is a republican political movement though

>>25213987
>the vast majority of people are idiots in need of a ruler, the only true democracy is when white male landowning heterosexuals have voting power.
You can say whatever you want but the vast majority of people are not going to disregard their female family member's choice of romantic partner just because the law allows them too. People can't even muster the power to implement very popular policies like remigration with the use of force, the idea that it would happen with something incredibly unpopular like coverture is silly.

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>>25213987
>I don't get what compels people to obsess over the sex lives of people they've never met.
>couldn't be me.

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>>25213832
>you're always desiring it
Women are always desiring it also: look at their reading habits. Gooner slop. Just not with you.