>>25203933
sublated by esoteric kantianism

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>>25203933
>Nothing else makes sense.

1. Assuming metaphysical solipsism is true
2. Everyone then thinks he is the only mind
3. There are 8 billion people on the planet
Which one of them is right then? It can only be one

>>25203933
Nah God told me this isn't true

>>25205145
This argument implicitly assumes solipsism isn't true.

>>25205145
Dogshit argument.
Your premise 2 and 3 implicitly affirm that solipsism is false, in contradiction of premise 1.

>>25205152
>>25205156
kek. I shouldnt even rake you guys seriously since I know Im the only mind on the planet and your just silly little npcs running on your programmed scripts kek

Whats the ontology you're basing this on?

Some type of subjective idealism where other people cease to exist when not in view?

Or it's like the modern atheist materialist view of atoms and forces and yet only your brain is the one making this "extra" thing called consciousness? Like some kind of descarte dualism? It would have to be right, because your bodies and other bodies are materially the same, no? But you're the only body that can feel. So there's an extra.. substance within you that allows for feeling? This all seems kinda dumb so it must me the subjective idealism type ontology?

But that one seems dumb to me as well, as if the world just spontaneously pops in and out of being everytime you sleep

So I don't really know. Based on your op you might have just took drugs and got freaked out paranoid that the people who were laughing at your jokes didn't actually find you funny BECAUSE THEY COULDNT EVEN IF THEY TRIED AHHHHH

>>25203933
You can't convince anyone of it by definition, although no one can prove your solipsism wrong if you choose to believe in it.

>>25203933
its good for ethics

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>>25205319
NTA but i think if you practice subjective idealism, you eventually reach Solipsisim because they both point to the same thing, which is Non Duality. Not sure what's an "ontology" but i follow from direct observations:

Any two things need to have a common reference field in order to be two. Try it with any two objects you can see right now and try to disprove this. The two objects need the surface they're on. If you remove that, they need the room they're in, the house, the planet, the universe. Eventually you get to the final two things, time and space. What's the reference field they have in common in order to be presented as two? It must be something infinite and indivisible, present at any time space coordinates. If it wasn't infinite and indivisible, it wouldn't be the final reference field any two things have in common, another bigger one would need to be "behind" it. That final field is presence or existence itself. Meaning that if you are present right now, you are all of Presence, God, whatever you want to call it that never reduces or becomes "less than". You just pretend you do. The ocean pretends it becomes the waves, but each wave is actually the ocean.

What Solipsism does (not meme solipsisim, but the actual thing) is that it goes straight to the only thing that's for sure absolute, which is consciousness. Consciousness is the only persistent thing across all experience, present and potential, and whatever happening, could happen, is that everlasting thing always experiencing something, that comes even before Solipsisim even, before thought, before everything, is the actual first cause and what you actually are. There being an internal" and external world are mental fabrications...they are either a thought or a belief in your mind. Just as a dream at night where you forget that you're dreaming in the first place and come across things without seeming control despite being all in your head, it's still all your imagination, just like waking life. Our experiences are actually all mutually exclusive and self contained in private copies of the world, unless we imagine them to be co-created and strictly tight, which is realized, then "manifested" to be true. Solipsism in this case would be to become aware of the dream that is the waking world, and just become lucid in it, that's it, if you decide to do so, only (You) will experience the outcome, just like people experience NDE and OBE all by themselves, which is how also all psychic and supernatural phenomena works.

>>25203933
I'm not a Gnostic but if ever there was a soul-harvesting matrix it would be designed to push you into solipsism (there is, it's the internet)

>>25205809
Solipsism implies responsability because nobody can really "push you" into it, that defeats the point (Who is "pushing it" if is all you? If you could ignore other ideas, why is this one any different?). Solipsism directly address that no idea have effect without passing trough you first and being fully accepted as true by yourself alone, and is your conclusion that is altering your perception of reality and overall experience in it.
>soul-harvesting matrix
You could be inside of the matrix, in a dream within a dream within a dream, inside another dream, inside a lab where your brain is in a vat, inside another dream, high on 10 psychedelics, DMT, shrooms, LSD combined, you could be being hypnotized, controlled by aliens, inside virtual reality, and none of it matters in comparison to the raw consciousness you are. Consciousness is the only persistent thing across all of these. It is the ultimate, irrefutable, invincible truth. Go and ask /sci/ or any philosopher and they can do absolutely NOTHING about it. Everything that exists is encapsulated within consciousness, which is equivalent to ones own existence, because this One-Thing is the container of existence itself.
In a way, everything beyond consciousness is an illussion, and to be sure of everything beyond my direct experience, what im aware of at the moment and what's coming from my mind, is all a matter of faith. Also language perhaps, as words themselves, adopted ideas and conceptualizations, alter your very perception of reality (even reading to what I have typed has altered your perspective and how you see reality, it made you contemplate things so far in a broader sense). Faith is a requirement to function in this world. Faith that something exists outside of ones own consciousness, faith that your memories are trustworthy, that human history is trust worthy, that people are trust worthy, that your 5 senses are trustworthy. This is what scientists, philosophers and rationalists must submit too (which is hypocritical considering they deny God but demand proof). All scientists, mathematicians, linguists or philosophers build their arguments foundationally upon axioms or tautologies, which are based on assumptions that they're not dreaming, that their memories are trust worthy, etc

>>25205738
>paolucciposting on /lit/ of all places

>>25205995
Paolucci is more /lit/ than /x/ because you actually have to read, study and practice his stuff, rather than just speculate about his ideas.

>>25206000
Make a thread about it then, nobody really knows about him outside of /x/. I want to see how the esoteric kantians take this.

>>25206006
Good point. I'll set something up. Stuff like UL and oneirosophy seems like a topic that belongs more on /lit/ than /x/ at this point.

>>25206012
Yeah just remember to go about it in a way centered around the texts so mods don't have an excuse to delete/move threads

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>>25206006
>I want to see how the esoteric kantians take this.

>>25205145
>assuming there are actual 8 billion people on the planet and not just figments of my imagination
Kek, I would call you a retard if you were actually real

Its pretty obvious that all individual consciousness is nothing but particular fragments of a wider shared metaphysical unity if not universal consciousness.

>>25205738
Who and what to read on this? This stuff is so obviously true idk how modern culture has strayed so far from it.

>>25206160
Check this >>25206060 thread and the linked materials in it. If you're draw to this stuff, is absolutely worth your time.

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Solipsism can only be true for me.
I am not a Solipsist.
Therefore, all Solipsists are wrong.

>>25206179
Which can only happens if you decide, so you experience "Solipsists being wrong" (which, conversely, could perfectly happen inside the Solipsistic framework due to only your own held conclusions dictating your experience). Experience is entirely subjective really, there's nothing happening if you are not aware of it (the moment you think there is, you already became aware of that).

Solipsism can't be refuted but that doesn't mean it's true, rookie mistake I also made when I started with philosophy. I spent a fair amount of time trying to refute it because I thought that not doing that implied a good case for solipsism, which is not true.

>>25206172
Thanks, I made a post to engage.

I’m such a smart guy, arguing with myself like this.

Two men enter. Only one leaves.
They merged.

Bumpo

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>>25206304
no u

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>>25206160
> Who and what to read on this?
Adi Shankara (pic related) and the following short verse texts

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

https://thestillnessbeforetime.com/avadhutagitasongoftheeverfree.pdf

https://www.stillnessspeaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ShankaraAtmaBodha.pdf

There are also Hindu Tantrics (Abhinavagupta, Jnanadeva), Tantric Buddhists (Longchenpa), and Ch’an Buddhists (Bodhidharma, Zongmi, Chinul) who teach something highly similar in practice but with different philosophical commitments, although Adi Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta is normally considered the classic paradigmatic example of eastern non-dualism.

>>25209377
Thanks anon, really appreciate it

>>25205738
Thats not solipsism.
You're closer to monistic metaphysics, not solipsism.
Adi Shankara, specifically Advaita Vedanta is not a solipsistic school of thought.

>>25210602
Is the same thing, same conclusion, as both recognize the underlying presence behind the experience as the only thing that's true, being whatever is happening inside of it only relatively true and temporary, coming from that singular presence altogether. Any form of oneness, either Solipsism or Nonduality, reduce reality to one singular experience. You are all just projections of my consciousness operating under my beliefs, intentions and expectations and yet you are still sentient sovereign beings with full rich lives no less or more important than me with the same exact power. As from your perspective I am a projection of yours. We are all fragments of god and thus in the same way that the acorn contains within it the oak tree each part of the whole contains the whole as its division is illusory and impossible. There is only one of us. Solipsism is effectively true and yet the truest truth transcends and yet includes it. The truest truth is an ineffable and indescribable paradox.

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Solipsism is kind of true. Actual Truth cannot be expressed or even understood, but it can be experienced. Where people go wrong with solipsism is assuming they themselves are real. No others means no self.