>>25207550
Plato and Aristotle, the original chuds. Don’t bother with the rest it’s for women and gays

>>25207556
Ok. What do you move on to after the Greeks?

>>25207632
Plotinus, Augustine, Dante, Shakespeare, Milton, Kant.
You can stop at Kant.

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>>25207632
The neo-greeks

>>25207639
I forgot, Ovid and Virgil before Plotinus.

>>25207550
You were supposed to start with Hamilton's Mythology, and then read Illiad and Odyssey before moving on to the tragedians.

No one ever starts with The Epic of Gilgamesh *sigh*

>>25207550
Aeschylus, Euripides, Aristophanes
Virgil, Ovid. Maybe some satires: Horace, Petronius, Juvenal
Dante
Shakespeare, Milton. Maybe Chaucer and Spenser
Goethe

>>25207702
Not Sophocles?!

>>25207705
Look at OP's pic. Although I guess it's missing some real gems like Ajax and Oedipus at Colonus.

>>25207711
Silly me, I didn’t even care to enlarge it and my eyesight is awful. Though you can infer he’s at least aware that Oedipus is a must read.

>>25207699
That’s because it’s not congruous with western thought like Greeks are (Plato builds on Homer, Aristotle on Plato, Aristotle himself influenced all medievals). Gilgamesh is just sort of cool to have read.

>>25207550
Fuck the philosophers. Read the historians.
Herodotus, Thucydides and Xenophon for starters.

>>25209112
Nah I know… but I feel if you’re autistic enough, it’s a fun short read (a prelude if you will) before getting into the canon.

>>25209142
Sumerians sort of suck in a big way. They had one thousand years to write and all they left were Gilgamesh and that joke with the blind dog.

>>25207550
jason and the argonauts is the next to take up the torch of homeric tradition, if you're interested. remember to read epics in verse.

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>>25207550
2026...... i am forgotten.........

>>25209171
literally not true and you're stupid.

>>25207550
Usually the other early stuff, like Hesiod and the Homeric Hymns. All three tragedians are essential to at least touch on, philosophers, three historians if you’re inclined. There’s a lot more if you want it, but you’ll have to look up a reading list.

>>25209123
“Pray, now,” with a sort of sociable sorrowfulness, slowly sliding along the rail, “Pray, now, my young friend, what volume have you there? Give me leave,” gently drawing it from him. “Tacitus!” Then opening it at random, read: “In general a black and shameful period lies before me.” “Dear young sir,” touching his arm alarmedly, “don’t read this book. It is poison, moral poison. Even were there truth in Tacitus, such truth would have the operation of falsity, and so still be poison, moral poison. Too well I know this Tacitus. In my college-days he came near souring me into cynicism. Yes, I began to turn down my collar, and go about with a disdainfully joyless expression.”
“Sir, sir, I—I—”
“Trust me. Now, young friend, perhaps you think that Tacitus, like me, is only melancholy; but he’s more—he’s ugly. A vast difference, young sir, between the melancholy view and the ugly. The one may show the world still beautiful, not so the other. The one may be compatible with benevolence, the other not. The one may deepen insight, the other shallows it. Drop Tacitus. Phrenologically, my young friend, you would seem to have a well-developed head, and large; but cribbed within the ugly view, the Tacitus view, your large brain, like your large ox in the contracted field, will but starve the more. And don’t dream, as some of you students may, that, by taking this same ugly view, the deeper meanings of the deeper books will so alone become revealed to you. Drop Tacitus. His subtlety is falsity, To him, in his double-refined anatomy of human nature, is well applied the Scripture saying—‘There is a subtle man, and the same is deceived.’ Drop Tacitus. Come, now, let me throw the book overboard.”
“Sir, I—I—”
“Not a word; I know just what is in your mind, and that is just what I am speaking to. Yes, learn from me that, though the sorrows of the world are great, its wickedness—that is, its ugliness—is small. Much cause to pity man, little to distrust him. I myself have known adversity, and know it still. But for that, do I turn cynic? No, no: it is small beer that sours. To my fellow-creatures I owe alleviations. So, whatever I may have undergone, it but deepens my confidence in my kind. Now, then” (winningly), “this book—will you let me drown it for you?”
“Really, sir—I—”
But you carry Tacitus, that shallow Tacitus. What do I carry? See”—producing a pocket-volume—“Akenside—his ‘Pleasures of Imagination.’ One of these days you will know it. Whatever our lot, we should read serene and cheery books, fitted to inspire love and trust. But Tacitus! I have long been of opinion that these classics are the bane of colleges; for—not to hint of the immorality of Ovid, Horace, Anacreon, and the rest, and the dangerous theology of Eschylus and others—where will one find views so injurious to human nature as in Thucydides, Juvenal, Lucian, but more particularly Tacitus?

>>25210018
When I consider that, ever since the revival of learning, these classics have been the favorites of successive generations of students and studious men, I tremble to think of that mass of unsuspected heresy on every vital topic which for centuries must have simmered unsurmised in the heart of Christendom. But Tacitus—he is the most extraordinary example of a heretic; not one iota of confidence in his kind. What a mockery that such an one should be reputed wise, and Thucydides be esteemed the statesman’s manual! But Tacitus—I hate Tacitus; not, though, I trust, with the hate that sins, but a righteous hate. Without confidence himself, Tacitus destroys it in all his readers. Destroys confidence, paternal confidence, of which God knows that there is in this world none to spare. For, comparatively inexperienced as you are, my dear young friend, did you never observe how little, very little, confidence, there is? I mean between man and man—more particularly between stranger and stranger. In a sad world it is the saddest fact. Confidence! I have sometimes almost thought that confidence is fled; that confidence is the New Astrea—emigrated—vanished—gone.”

>>25207699
putting gilgamesh, baal, etc before homer never made much sense. the point of starting with the greeks isn’t ’start with the oldest’, it’s about the start of western tradition, where the canon begins, and when literature became self-conscious, shaped, and foundational to the tradition you’re entering.

>>25207550
The Enchiridion is short, focused on the human and a nice little tangent. Read it.

>>25207702
This.

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>>25207632
After Aristotle you should read Cicero, because he summarizes all philosophy after Aristotle.
Then Alcinous Handbook of Platonism because it will give you the background logic of what everyone in late antiquity worked from.
Then Epictetus Enchiridion (can read this whenever).
Sextus Empiricus is nice.
The Alexander of Apgrodisias if you want to initiate the delve into "Neoplatonism" (all philosophy after Origen and Plotinus).

>>25210208
>Cicero
Boring, retarded
>Alcinous Handbook of Platonism
((secondary source))
>Epictetus
Brophilosophy
>Sextus Empiricus
Worth reading desu but still quite reddit
>Alexander of Apgrodisias
You can't even spell his name lol. He is extremely dense and his most interesting commentaries are lost. I can't tell you not to read him but I can tell you that very few people do unless they are academics specializing in Aristotle and/or Neoplatonism. Your recommendations suck.

>>25207641
wow, didn't expect anyone non greek to have read this! It really is wonderful, I hope the way Papadiamadis writes is shown as best as possible in the english translation

>>25207641
>>25210477
I've heard people call him the Greek Dostoevsky. Also that he is hard to translate.

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>>25210243
There are literally nothing but those people prior to Second Sophistic. Everything else is fragmented or lost.
There's Plutarch...
Between 300BCE and 200AD there are like 7 people you can still read from the Greeks

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>>25209123
Fuck the historians. Read the poets and novelists

>>25207643
>Ovid and Virgil
cheap copies of their greek counterparts

>>25210243
Sextus Empiricus has important work on Heraclitus (he outright equates “fire” to “time” which is what it is though I would also add the modern scientific idea of “energy”). I don’t see how he’s Reddit at all.

>>25207550
Same.
Just started, so the book I'm currently reading is Mythology by Edith Hamilton.
Is the guide in the first thread good enough?

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>>25207550
read at least Medea by Euripides (and the Argonautics for the prequel of this character).
Also Iphigenia in Aulis, and/or the great movie adaptation, which keeps most of the dialogue intact and is made by the greeks.

for hardcore lore and some mysoginy, don't forget the Theogony

>>25212359
>starting with the greeks
>with some anglo author
that's not how it's usually done

>>25207702
>no rabelais
The state of /lit/ in 2026

>>25207550
The Greeks started with the Egyptians, though...

>>25213126
How is it usually done? Should I just ditch any prep books and dive straight into Greek texts?

>>25213873
Hesiod + Herodotus.
I think Metamorphoses is also a decent enough starting point, with the caveat that you'll have to deal with Roman names. But it does include a metric fuckton of myths.

>>25207550
>start with the history of ancient greece
>every time the word 'democracy' is written there's a disclaimer that it's not real democracy because women and slaves couldn't vote
>sometimes women are oppressed second class citizens without a voice almost akin to slaves
>sometimes women are highly respected for their role in religion and in the home
>check authors
>half are women
thank /lit/

>>25213924
That is actually Hegelian. Hegel originated the idea that Greece wasn’t fully progressed yet because they had a slave class. It’s his theory of history - despot (Anatolia and Persia in ancient times), slave state (Athens), emancipated Christian state (Prussia in 19th c)

>>25207550
you may be unintentionally following the reading list from adler's "how to read a book"
https://www.tosummarise.com/mortimer-adlers-reading-list-from-how-to-read-a-book/

>>25211739
was it autism?

Who has the best translation of the greeks?Greeks?

Who should I look out for and who should I avoid?