>>25208113
bataille was the grandfather of dark psychology. i use tricks from this book all the time

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>>25208113
> I wanna read useful ones to use in my life
i was skimming through A Thousand Plateaus recently (one of the few books that works better as a pdf) and i thought it was funny how much of it reads like very abstract self-help. they're constantly giving you tips on how not to 'botch' it.

no advice to offer on bataille, sorry.

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>>25208123

I suggest asking on forum about whether Erotism is worth reading

>>25208123
Oh, so it's worth ?
>>25208174
I might read it
>>25208233
Sure would do

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>>25208113
Is it worth to read? Yes, all bataille is worth to read
Thoughever, if you never read bataille before read his vision of excess (essay compilation) first to see what kind of thing that he has to offer

>>25209090
Is it gonna be useful in day to daily life

>>25208113
Yes it's fantastic.
>>25209090
Visions of Excess are confusing at times and I don't think they're a necessary primer for this book.

>>25209284
Stop having that kind of mindset
>>25209328
Yes, you can read bataille from every book that you want, even inner experience (though i completely gave up on this one) but vision of excess is the main foundation of his thinking. Solar anus, big toe, practice joy before death, etc are essential essay before one starts to dive into his eroticism book

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I read this a while ago, because I wanted to figure out why I was such a coomer, and what did I learn from it?
That we as individuals are unbearably alone, and this is temporarily solved when we fuck, then we can almost dissolve into another being.
That we are separate beings from the rest of the universe, and the only way we have to "go back" is in death; back to being part of eternity, of endlessness, of losing everything that severs us from the rest. Ritual sacrifice was a way to see this event occur, to be a part of it.
He doesn't talk about limit experiences in this one, does he? or the accursed share? I think there's a mention of how boundaries invite their own transgression, why taboos have so much power and why they can't not exist, how sexual nakedness is a state where one can be removed from one's own persona, but I can't remember why.
He's also shocked and appalled at De Sade, and dismantles his sovereign man.
Anyone else who read this book can help me fill the gaps?
Did it stop me from being a coomer? Hardly. If anything, while the thing was fresh in my head, it made the whole thing more intense.

no, its bad, i remember reading it and wanting it to end so bad. Its just a lot of pretentious blabber nonsense, only like the first 30 pages are interesting then he stops to elucidate what he originally started on. Just a complete waste of time, not all that good as people make it to be, there are other better french provocateurs more worth your time like baudrillard or lacan, deleuze too, but bataille? way too overrated and devoid of everything

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>>25209284
surely what's useful in daily life is having an imagination and sensibility that makes your mundane experience a mine of interesting materials for thought, a source of flashes of evocative revelations. and with that bataille will help you immensely imo.

>>25209284
The Story of the Eye will get you into pissplay, and that's something you could do everyday.

>>25209535
the problem with bataille transgression is that it was highly dependant on social rules, norms, and taboo. If I want to drink some woman piss in public like she's peeing straight into my mouth while I'm jerking of my cock and both of us were in like a street pavement or in the middle of a shopping mall or something, its transgressive, okay - it breaks taboo, it gives me sovereignty, it makes me look down to my toe, embracing my low animal side, etc. But when the entire shopping mall do the same thing or people and passerby start to do the same transgressive thing in that pavemeny (like maybe we're doing an orgy in the street, flashmob style lol) then its no longer become a taboo because 'now everyones doing it' and therefore it becomes normal, and the only way to 'transgress' the entire idea is to dress like a pope and lecturing people about jesus or something and flip the entire high and low worldview upside down while people around you are having naked orgy on public

>>25210225
We are here.

>>25210255
True.

>>25208123
lol no

>>25208113
>and I wanna read useful ones to use in my life
Then Bataille is practically useless. The only useful one's in that regard, who are concerned eith living life, are ones like tge Stoics or the Epicureans. You can also try some self-help authors.

>>25209535
That sounds extremely retarded, not gonna lie

>>25210225
Why even bother with this kind of game? It sounds unimaginably childish. Just skip to the end and kill yourself if you're that desperate for novelty.

>>25208113
>and I wanna read useful ones to use in my life
Then Bataille is practically useless. The only useful one's in that regard, who are concerned eith living life, are ones like tge Stoics or the Epicureans. You can also try some self-help authors.

>>25208113
>and I wanna read useful ones to use in my life
Then Bataille is practically useless. The only useful one's in that regard, who are concerned eith living life, are ones like tge Stoics or the Epicureans. You can also try some self-help authors.

>>25211543
>le novelty

>>25208113
This book explains practically everything about being alive. I honestly don't know if you need much more outside of it, why the fuck would you ever read Epictetus after you realize that everything comes back to death and the infinite. All art points to it, all religion points to it, all sex points to it. Frankly, we are only the death itself and we will only ever be the death drive.

And if you do read bataille and this idea of sex as the dissolution of the self interests you, move onto Freud and Lacan to learn about the mechanics of desire and lack. Bataille is extremely psychoanalysis, at least in Eroticism, though I haven't read anything else by him yet.

>>25211543
I'm gonna but only when I've gotten sicker first.

Bataille wanted to get one of his friends, to shoot him to do philosophy about it, but none of them were willing to be the killer

>>25211784
I know, it's part of why I look down on him. Everything I see from him screams "bored rich kid with a middling-high IQ who thinks he's cool for smoking meth"

>>25211633
That's clearly the motivation.

>>25211799
its clearly not

>>25211822
It clearly is

>>25211826
sure guy, hes drinking to next level acephale mode and trauma bonding to wretched lovers because of the novelty.
shut the fuck up

qq1 sait où la philosophie francophone se poursuit après Bataille et D&G? Vous connaissez leurs successeurs?

>>25211897
hardt and negri's empire happened
agamben happened
gaspar noe happened

>>25211878
Yeah, he is. Same instinct that made our ancestors leave Africa and that makes rich whores go to Dubai.

>>25211541
His perspective is one of a kind, a good approsch to inspect whatever clusterfuck is happening with people right now and their tendencies to pursuit their izzat. Think of it as some kind of warning that are constantly being ignored and now we lived in a consequences of it
This is a philosopher where you have to know when and where to stop because he himself was defeated at the end of his own game and trapped, on top of it

>>25211939
you, are lame

>>25208113
Just read the summary of that book and move on to his volumes on the accursed share

>>25210225
I don't think you're understanding what Bataille means. Transgressions aren't simply predicated on social norms at all. Pissing in each other's mouths in the malls, whether it's a normal thing or not, is still an unproductive management of excess and expenditure in another sense. I'm pretty sure Bataille asserted the sacrificial rituals in mesoamerican civilizations as transgressive; yet it's a normal thing for them, but it's their own action of managing excess, like pissing in someone else's mouth as per usual in a specific public space. Transgressions can be what completes breaking a taboo, but there's an important distinction between a transgression and breaking a taboo.

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>>25211744
How does this mesh with D. H. Lawrence, and his rejection of psychoanalysis, that eros is a positive superabundant force, not a negative lacking? Deleuze and Guattari sided with Lawrence and cited him as an instructive.