>>25210546
According to Acts he did not die by suicide but by accident.

>>25210546
Heard a couple of "heretical" theories.
That he "betrayed" Jesus because Jesus needed to die on the cross.
I read this one story where he betrayed Jesus because he had to sacrifice what he loved most to get into heaven.

Master and Margherita.

>>25210609
No, you are retarded and/or malicious, he hung himself and his corpse splattered on the ground.

>>25210627
Why do the two accounts each leave out half the story? Someone hanging himself is not some minor detail one would accidentally omit.

>Judas: "Hey, Jesus, that's some expensive oil. We should sell it and give the money to the poor."
>Jesus: "Nah, fuck the poor. You'll always have the poor, but I won't be here forever, so I'm going to enjoy this expensive and extravagant anointing."
Judas was right.

>>25210546
>Then he went away and hanged himself.
Such a great line. Was also the final act of many 4chan posters who got BTFO over the years. Anyway the Borges story Three Versions of Judas is well worth reading.

>>25210546
which part did he misunderstand?

>>25210546
I remember reading somewhere that there's a sympathetic retelling of the Judas story where he basically "betrayed" Jesus to force him to reveal his true power as the Messiah and turn into this political king and liberator. So his idea was that if he turned him over, just before being arrested he would reveal himself in that way and crush the Pharisees and others and that's why he was so distraught when he didn't. I can't remember if this was from a book or movie or what it was, does this ring a bell to anyone here?

>>25210719
I always thought he sounded like a typical modern liberal in this passage.
>Umm shouldn't you be using that instead for XYZ? XYZ is FAR more important.
No, fuck that. You can't spend every second and every resource dedicated to le doing le good. There are other things that matter and your guilt trips are not welcome.

>>25210719
Even Judas couldn't give his 30 pieces to the poor.

>>25210623
Borges.... uhhh ..speaks on this...

>>25210546
Jesus Christ Superstar libretto

>>25210960
Libretto is for a real work of art. Your musical just has lyrics.

>>25210647
They don't just leave out half, they contradict each other.
>“So Judas threw the silver coins into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.”
>With the reward for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong and burst open in the middle, and all his intestines spilled out.
One account has him returning the silver, then committing suicide and the other has him keeping all the money to buy the field where he falls and dies.
>>25210931
In one account, he gave it back to the people in position of authority who would be able to find poor and give it to them.

>>25210974
>the people in position of authority who would be able to find poor and give it to them.
but the temple priests give their silver to murders. they don't even help those who wish to repent for their sins
>Matthew (27:3-5)

>>25210802
IIRC this comes from the contextual telling of events in Mark (ch 14), which is the most straight and to the point of the Gospel accounts. Mark describes the betrayal of Judas coming right after Jesus' talk of his coming death and burial, which suggests Judas, who may have been one of the people (precursors to the historical Zealots) who at the time believed in a more militant Messiah, one that would take the crown and overthrow their Roman oppressors, betrayed Jesus because He Himself betrayed his hopes for liberation, talking about dying as a sure thing instead of doing something about these fucking Romans! Of course, the other Gospel accounts give different reasons for it—he did it for the silver, the Devil told him to do it, etc., but they aren't mutually exclusive.

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>>25210546
Judas has fascinated me as well. I have always found there to be a tragic undertone to his character that has been somewhat plastered over to make him a one-note villain, yet he is so obviously necessary as part of the Divine plan if you admit Christ's sacrifice was necessary. As some Anon mentioned, Borges' short story on Judas is great. 'The last temptation of Christ' also goes into this relation in an interesting way.

>>25210974
Maybe he threw the silver at the guy he bought the field from?

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>Le Judas was the real sacrifice all along poster makes another thread
It is time to stop.

>>25212640
No because the long version is he throws it at the Pharisees who debate over what to do with it and decide they can't put it back into the treasury because it's blood money, so they donate it to buy a field as a burial place for foreigners. As it says in Matthew, this fulfills a prophecy of Jeremiah from hundreds of years ago.

>>25212006
Jesus was going to die already, Judas only sped up the process. The same is true of literally everyone but murder is still illegal.

Sergius Bulgakov wrote a short essay about Judas that presents him as someone obsessed with the fulfillment of Jewish notions of Messianism, disapppinted and dismayed by Christ seemingly refusing to be the conquering martial leader the Messiah was expected to be, and driven to betrayal in an attempt to force Christ to reveal Himself and overthrow Rome.

>>25210546
>I always liked the character of Judas Iscariot, since I was a child. The fact that he misunderstood Jesus teachings and sold him for 30 pieces of silver just to regret it
Aye, imagine some average Jim Jones scamming you by telling you to donate all property to him (coz, ya know, camel and a needle, man), then after sucking his dick you regain some postnut clarity and report the con artist to authorities, only for Stockholm Syndrome to kick back in.

>>25212887
Do you think Jesus as a sacrificial offer for the sins of the world, the lamb of god, him realizing that and
begging his father in Matthew 26 that "if it is possible, let this cup pass me by" was all unnecessary, and in fact that cup could easily have passed him by if only Judas wasnt such a big meanie, and he could have died a peaceful death in bed at the age of 89 instead?

>>25213390
Of course not, you clown. The Pharisees were already looking for Jesus to do exactly that; Judas just ratted Him out.

>>25211872
I understand what you're saying but I mean a retelling where Judas thought he was essentially doing Jesus a favor, and a favor to the entire nation of Israel too I suppose. By putting him in that situation he was guessing Jesus would be forced to reveal his true self. I think this might've been a novel that was turned into a movie. The Last Temptation of Christ perhaps? I'm not sure though. But it seems like an interesting retelling I'd be inclined to read either way.

>>25214027
Already exists and it's calles Judas Iscariot: Apostle-Betrayer by Bulgakov (no, not that one).

If Jesus was actually god he would have forgave him, the fact he didn’t and sent him to hell when he was so important to the plan is sad. Praise judas

>>25214145
Universal Reconciliation says that Judas is forgiven and will meet us all in Heaven.

Christ is King.