it do be like that

>>25210932
By not getting it you acknowledge there is such a state as gettin it, and such state couldn't exist without someone not getting it therefore there's a dialectic struggle between getting it and not getting and, as such, by not getting it you're also getting it

>>25211349
spoken like a true Marxist

>>25210932
I got it (I haven't read it yet)

It blows my mind that Hegel managed to influence so many retards
>almost illegible scribble
>tries to justify that everything exists
>the retarded belief that history is progressive
>the exaltation (almost piety) of state and war
>his zealous belief that freedom is best recognized in a monarchy
>the forced retarded interpretations of history
>his blatantly obvious pro-German bias
>the fact that Hegelian thought spiraled into 200 different sub-philosophies of pseudo-babble
Every single time I see Hegelian retards attempt to discuss their nonsense, I bring up Schopenhauer's BTFO of Hegel. You have objectively made this world a worse and more miserable place than it needs to be; and all Hegelians should be shot on sight because of it.

Neither did Hegel
Unironically.
It's a mishmash of two different sequences of 'ze dialectic' + a Preface written post hoc to attempt a retroactively justification fot the excessively repetitive discovery of Spirit for Hegel. (I.e. it's more a personal autobiography of how Hegel derived his system rather than the objective way Spirit actually ascends.)

Hegel's System begins with Logic
Don't skip the Prefaces to various Editions of his Greater Logic

>>25211453
Marx would have formulated communism even if Hegel never existed. The only difference is that Marx wouldn't have talked about sublation/abolition. You demonstrate that you don't understand marx or Hegel. Many such cases!
>>25211469
>Hegel's System begins with Logic
Yes, I tell people all the time that SOL is the interpretation of POS

>>25210932
>>25210932
Used to hate him, now an avowed Hegelian.

He isn't even that great, in a sense, yet this is such a profound work of genius it's incredible.

Addendum: you can't understand Hegel without understanding calculus. He's a shameless obscuritant about everything, but if he named his ideas coherently, 'dialectical logic' would be renamed 'calculus logic'. Basically he saw Aristotle as providing a logic modelled of and adequate to describe normal mathematics, yet believed that an entirely new form of logic was required to understand and describe what calculus implies about the continuity of reality.

It's really amusing though: whenever I think about Hegel now, it's always 'holy shit, he's such a genius'. Yet when you read him it's just annoying most of the time, with a few sparks of brilliance.

>>25210932
its literally impossible not to understand because it is what you are at different moments.

>>25211915
Many people go idly by without recognising this. So he’s not really to blame, especially since Hegel is THE obscurantist.

>>25210932
He was set to rewrite it, regarding it as juvenilia, until his untimely death. This>>25211469
>>25211570 >>25211340 and picrel.

>>25211949
He’s actually very clear once you get used to him. Kant is a true obscurantist, ie he contradicts himself and leaves a lot to the reader, though superficially he seems easier than Hegel.

>>25212109
This is an internet meme often repeated on reddit. He refers to it as the presupposition of the whole system in the Logic, he continues to cite it all his life. In the unfinished preface to the new edition he talks about a certain ‘mode of philosophizing’ that prevailed at the time but he’s talking about Schelling, he isn’t repudiating his own thought. Not only is it not ‘juvenilia’ it’s the most important work for understanding him. You’re going to get the last word but you have no idea what you’re talking about and I don’t care if you believe me or not.

>>25212722
Also Heidegger’s take on this is the same. Without the Phenomenology,
Hegel isn’t talking about anything. The Phenomenology justifies the dialectic (why *should* I negate?) and the entire circle of sciences. “But in the Philosophy of Spirit it’s sidelined!” Yes I fucking know that, you can always throw out some factoid and pretend you’ve won, this has no bearing. If you can’t understand why the pos is essential or the role it’s playing in the system you don’t understand Hegel at all.

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>>25212744
Just because he thought some of it deserved republishing doesn't change that

After publishing the book, Hegel would describe it to his own students
as his own Entdeckungsreise (his own voyage of discovery). It was where
Wilhelm, as he was known to his family and closest of friends, became
Hegel, the famous and forbidding German philosopher. This aspect of the
Phenomenology should be preserved, so that at every step of the way, even
though in a commentary such as this one where one is told where one is
going, one needs to be reminded that the “characters” in the book do not
know that. Even calling them “characters” already begs several questions.
Any number of commentators from Hegel’s own day to our own have been
struck by the way in which in giving such an account of the development of
Geist (Mind? Spirit?), Hegel seemed to be writing a kind of sui generis
Bildungsroman, a kind of “coming of age” novel in which the main
character is, of course, Geist itself, which takes on various shapes as it
comes to a realization of what it was seeking after having followed out
some false early leads. However, Hegel does not describe these characters
as characters but rather as “shapes of consciousness” (in the first part of the
book) and as “shapes of a world” (in the second part). In all these cases, we
have a description of a “shape of consciousness” or a “shape of a world”
which is working its way to a conclusion that seems to rationally follow
from what the characters (or maybe one character) take themselves to be
doing but which ends with ultimately unbearable conclusions, none of
which seemed predictable at the outset (unless our accompanying narrator
has already tipped us off). Our narrator is also a commentator (he is Hegel
himself) who tells us what is really going on in the logic of the situation
which the participants themselves either cannot see or see only very dimly.
A commentary on the Phenomenology of Spirit is already layering on
another level of commentary in a book that already has more than one of
them.
There is yet one more twist to all this. Hegel apparently changed his own
mind about what book he was writing to the point that when he thought he
had completed it, he decided that he had actually only completed half of it.
He seems to have sent what was supposed to be the final copy to the printer
only then to tell him shortly after the first run had been done that the book
was only half finished. (As one could imagine, the printer was none too
happy with this and exasperatedly threatened to scuttle the whole project.
The whole thing was saved when one of Hegel’s old friends basically told
the printer he himself would help underwrite the cost.) When he finally got
the book to the printer, he had a new table of contents, and the printer, now
very confused and annoyed, more or less fused the different table of
contents together and printed both of them.

>>25212744
>>25212818
This has meant for those trying to understand the book that they have to make a decision on how to organize the oddly organized printed table of contents itself. The book started out as organized into three basic chapters: “Consciousness,” “Self-Consciousness,” and “Science,” with various subheadings under the first two chapters. That changed with the additions, so one had things like the chapter called “Reason” becoming “C. Reason” or “AA: Reason.” Basically, there are three options for making sense of this. The first option sees the book as organized into basically six separate sections: “Consciousness,” “Self-Consciousness,” “Reason,” “Spirit,” “Religion,” “Absolute Knowing.” The second option is to look at the roman numeral numbering Hegel gave it, in which case “A: Consciousness” consists of three chapters (1–3), “B: Self-Consciousness” consists of one chapter (4) with two subheadings, and it is followed by “C: Reason” (or “AA: Reason), which has chapter 5 within itself, followed in turn by 6: Spirit, 7: Religion, 8: Absolute Knowing (eight basic chapters altogether). Or one can see AA: Reason and BB: Spirit (and likewise CC: Religion and DD: Absolute Knowing) as subheadings of B: Self-Consciousness. (All very confusing.)

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Read it again, for real this time.

it's a descending list of what you need to be considered smart

>>25213528
Which our good friend, GWF, was not.