are you saying they're good

>>25322251
kino fucking cover vgh

They are.

Nobody thinks OP is intelligent.

>>25322251
>I know you guys are sick of me and my marxist spam so I'll try another tactic and associate it with fascism, maybe that will make you more sympathetic towards communism

>>25322251
It isn't wrong.

>>25322251
He is right though? Hence why every single fascist dictator has been overthrown/voted out/had their countries become liberal democracies and why the USSR fell and why China is a state capitalist shithole.

Fascism and Communism might be different in theory but they're very similar on a psychological level. Hence why so many former socialists became fascists and national socialists and after the war former Nazis integrated into the East German government and secret police quite easily. Its no surprise that people sympathetic to totalitarianism don't care which particular flavor of totalitarianism ends up winning.

>>25322430
Curious that you left out how former Nazis also integrated into the West German state apparatus.

>>25322251
This is the most profound thought that conservitards can process

>>25322530
hmmm... no, I don't think you made an *argument*

>>25322430
buzzword after buzzword zzz...

what does 'psychological' even mean here? entirely unsubstantiated statement without a lick of objective merit here, rather riddled with subjective vibes based value judgements. Wittgenstein once said that whereof one cannot speak thereof one should be silent. ergo, dont say useless babble. Read Lakatos too while youre at it, what you've said is an entirely degenerating programme with nothing productive in terms of novel predictions provided -- hence, what you've said is pseudo science! This is easily observable by the fact that 'totalitarianism' is a defining trait of a litany of (declining/failed) liberal states; state apparatuses in the west have consolidated their powers in numerous manners -- the UK have amended the POA 1986 (2023) to introduce a levy of powers to criminalise demonstrations, Palestine Action have been labelled a a terrorist group on frivolous grounds, the OSA has entirely changed the landscape of British internet usage (one of the few countries also looking to ban VPNs, etc). This isn't even to touch on the encroaching right populist authoritarian tendencies polling high atm seeking to introduce biometric chips in the name of 'tracking' immigrants. If you knew anything about the residual freedoms common law position you'd realise how exposed the average citizen is to a loss of civil liberties. The live facial recognition software employed/due to be deployed across much of the UK is another example.If you wanted to invoke Spinoza's idea that people fight for their servitude as if their salvation, that would be interesting. but nooo, you've just dropped the most boring of buzzword statements.

I can touch on a litany of US instances too but something tells me you wouldn't care either way.

Have you read Wilhelm Reich's seminal book the mass psychology of fascism? Do you even know how fascism arose? Do you think that 'drumpf' is literally fascist? Absurd statements like yours betrays your absolute inadequate knowledge on anything historical, philosophical, economic or political. Let alone psychological.

Gynozog cuck faggot kys

>>25322257
Fpbp
>>25322260
Spsbp

>>25322251
>communism and fascism are BOTH... LE BAD
Okay, but why did you post a picture of Lord of the Rings?

>>25322251
The hobbits were an agrarian socialist utopian society

>>25322430
only liberals are human

>>25322251
only midwits try to read LOTR as political commentary. Its value is entirely in its deep empathy.

>>25323983
Yes but your analysis is bad too. Unfortunately I'm far too stupid to explain why.

>>25322251
Pic unrelated? Did you mean to post 1984 perhaps?

>>25323955
The hobbits were capitalist. It's in the text.

>>25323955
The hobbits barely had a government. They leaned towards libertarian if anything.

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>>25322430
>Fascism and Communism might be different in theory but they're very similar on a psychological level. Hence why so many former socialists became fascists and national socialists and after the war former Nazis integrated into the East German government and secret police quite easily.
How many of those were actual ideologues compared to functionaries though. That might say something about the similarity of the two systems but the bureaucracy selected for a low-cunning, self-interested "hierarchy of flotsam and jetsam." Maybe people who make for good storm troopers are compatible with a variety of different systems that depend on them.
https://youtu.be/SFo-hbTGbPY

>>25322430
>Fascism and Communism might be different in theory
They're very similar in theory, being two forms of authoritarian collectivism.
The only difference is the nationalist basis of fascism, which opposes the internationalist nature of communism.

>>25322430
>>25324211
>Totalitarianism
>Authoritarianism
IQ capped at 105 terminology

>>25322251
hobbits are communists

>>25324211
This: >>25324776. Fascism is authoritarian whereas communism is totalitarian, retard.

>>25322251
Both are worship of the state

>>25324779
The hobbits used money and had private property ownership. Lotho could outright buy most of the Shire with the money he had made from foreign trade.

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communism and fascism are both... le good

>>25323955
no they werent

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>>25322251
>Ideologii iz gonorea :DD
>meenwhile polisii - 10 bazillion dollers to izbareel

Random thought about Wheel of Time.
If the Creator demanded Rand to kill his own wifes and children to prove his loyalty to the Light would he do it

>>25322251
>if we kill all the guys who are trying to create bureaucratic super states we can just hang out in our houses smoking weed and eating 7 times a day
All humanity ever needed to know is within

>>25325463
Rand's whole thing is being stubborn and doing his own thing so probably not.
Ironically if any version of Rand might it would be post dragon mount Jesus rand, but even there I think he wouldn't

>>25325495
>Rand's whole thing is being stubborn and doing his own thing so probably not.

Would he declare the Creator evil and wage war against the Creator?
Thats actually a better story than the one we got.

>>25325503
I mean the creator barely exists in randland and there isn't really any active religion worshipping or praising it, the metaphor doesn't really hold.

>>25325601
The Creator gave off very strong Deist vibes.

>>25323577
Not reading the rest but Wilhelm Reich was unironically schizophrenic. He abandoned his whole family to zap mental patients balls in search of Orgone.

>>25325601
The first time Creator was mentioned I knew it was the main piece of shit sicko responsible for all the suffering.

>>25322251
So is Sauron the communist and Saruman the fascist? Or are Sauron and Saruman both fascists and Morgoth is the communist?

>>25325854
Sauron is a communist, and Boromir and Denethor would be fascists if they took the Ring.

>Tolkien prefaces the book with describing how the book contains no allegories and how much he hates allegories
>Readers instantly start looking for allegories
Sad

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>>25324776
>>25324786
>fascism isn't totalitarian
How many political parties were there in Nazi Germany, dumbfucks?

>>25325878
My first thoughts too. Lord of the Rings is almost completely apolitical (other than the obvious environmental themes) and acts as a sort of old fable story you would read about from a far away place.
The fact that Communism, Fascism, and modern day politics are coming into the fold to an apolitical story only shows how dead our collective society's imagination truly is.

>>25325878
>>25326518
Tom Shippey thinks it suggests political lessons, and he knows more about Tolkien than anybody.
>There's no doubt really that The Lord of the Rings was very much affected not only by industrialized warfare but also by the sad history of the 20th Century. All the kind of revolutions which were supposed to make things better, which made things worse instead. And that's really one of the striking messages of the the work. Power is addictive. No one can be trusted with it. Surely that's exactly what the book says. The ring is addictive. No one can resist it, no one is safe with it, so you have to
destroy it. You cannot use it for something; even good causes are not a good justification.
https://youtu.be/jzTe8by6mDs

>>25326829
He also says in that video "You shouldn't try to pin it down" that's what people here are attempting. Very A to 7 allegorising.
And Verlyn Flieger knows more about Tolkien than Shippey.

>>25324801
and where in the manual of communism does it say you cant use money or have property?

hmm?

the hobbits are clearly communists because they expect an old man with a bushy beard to bring them fireworks.


but they are also not communists because they think these fireworks wont change anything.

>>25326913
So Mithrandir is Marx?

>>25326908
Was the Shire a collective land holding? Because if it wasn't, you should shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself.

>>25326829
>No one can resist it, no one is safe with it, so you have to destroy it. You cannot use it for something; even good causes are not a good justification.
I don't think it makes an argument in favor of luddite society, Anon. Aragorn is able to use the palantir, Sauron worried he would have been able to master the Ring, whether that's true or not, power (authority) can be good. The age of men will demystify everything. But it does make a statement about absolute evil and its relation to power.

>>25326908
Is this bait?
>In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

>>25326932
No, Mithrandir is Robert E. Lee

wtf i love tokien now

What's the tax policy in Valinor I need to know if Tolkien's ideal land has high or low corporation tax to base my entire opinion on reality's fiscal policy on?
Is Valinor a welfare state?
I can't imagine Frodo sailing west after saving middle earth and being hit with a 40 hour work week. Surely Frodo would get disability benefits after getting stabbed at weathertop.
Not his fault he's disabled now, it was the wrong place, wrong time. Mordor and Isengard should compensate him but I imagine they're too busy paying war reparations.
But should the Valar have to work harder just so the hobbit can shirk work?

>>25327900
>Aragorn is able to use the palantir, Sauron worried he would have been able to master the Ring, whether that's true or not, power (authority) can be good
So Aragorn, Gandalf, and Galadriel refusing to use the Ring was a foolish mistake? This is so anti-Tolkien.
>But it does make a statement about absolute evil and its relation to power
What is the statement?

>>25325890
>How many political parties were there in Nazi Germany
The same number as there are under authoritarian regimes you wikipedia citing retard.

>>25324050
This, if anything they were ancaps.

>>25322251
We really ought to shoot OP
What a worthless fucking thread