>>25323759
Nietzsche most likely had a hereditary stroke disorder. I don't see how "You'd have to be crazy to read his writing" follows from that.

Nietzsche collapsed after he finally vented all his realization that christkeks have destroyed mankind.

Jung was never mentally ill and never went crazy.

>>25323963
He went crazy while writing that Red something book

>>25323759
What is madness OP?
Have you ever done something you deem to be mad?

>>25323978
>what is X op?
>have you ever done X op?
Fuck off shrink

>>25323759
you don't need to do anything, their works have already shaped your world in ways you can't even fathom

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>>25323759
>people who spend their whole life in the familiar and comfortable, carefully procuring an appearance of normalcy both unto themselves and to the world, feigning ignorance to what is dark or unsightly, are the only ones worth listening to

>>25323759
Jung recovered. And his descent into psychosis was deliberately induced, in the name of learning. It was a calculated risk that paid off magnificently.
Jung's balls were an order of magnitude bigger than Nietzsche's. This is rarely recognised.

>>25323968
Jung admitted to being overwhelmed by the unconscious material he unearthed, such that he feared for his own sanity.
A lesser mind might have succumbed, but not /ourguy/.

what's the point in having 20 different threads of people pretending to be retarded. what do you get out of posting something you put no thought into about something you've already decided not to understand.

>>25323759
>>25323968
Yet he came back to sanity after and wrote his masterpiece before dying

>>25323759
>be a bitter attention seeking asshole
>psy-op people into thinking popular thinker was le guilt le repressed resentment with your dogshit made up esoteric theories
could be a description of any christian priest in the past 20 centuries.
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>>25323759
is there a /lit/ recommended book chart/list for Jung?

>>25325136
i took a course on Jung and aside from his biography all of the books were written by other people, which i found weird. i can list them off if you like. i think Peterson says Part IX of his collected works is the meat of it though

>>25325136
Read "Inner Work" Robert Johnson as a primer then dive into The Portable Jung. That should be satisfactory for teaching the basics.

>>25325145
>aside from his biography all of the books were written by other people
You have it arse-backwards. It's his biography that was written by someone else (Aniela Jaffé). His Collected Works are anthologies of his own lectures, essays and academic papers.

>>25323961
he truthnuked himself into catatonia, sucks

>>25326132
He got truthnuked by his own unconscious, which was sick of his delusional shit.

>>25326139
I see it a a hermetic thing maybe. Like he realized I've said to much, and the reasonable thing is a sort of vow of silence. filtered through the guys own personal mental health issues and everything ofc

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>>25326150
senpai had a hereditary condition his whole adult life stop it with the metaphysical masturbation

>>25326159
This is cope. Jung had the measure of Nietzsche all along. His Will to Power was destined to fail because his unconscious had other ideas.
Instead of becoming what he was, he tried to become what he wanted to be. This is always doomed to failure.

>>25326181
>>>/x/

>>25326192
>>>/lgbt/

Nietzsche is not someone that should be taken seriously. But he is an amazing writer. He's probably the best German writer. You should read it the same way you read fiction. That's it.

Unless you're an edgy 16 year old kid.

>>25326198
uh oh what would jung say about this completely unrelated nonsensical response?

>>25324557
It's a common form of newfaggotry where they ask a question but already have an answer prepared. Endless "desire to "debate"".

Honestly, /x/ anon is right. If you want discussion on anything even remotely related to parapsychology and the supernatural, you will not find civil discourse on /lit/ where newfags like that always reply with some gay faggot sissy "clapback". He probably worships some god deity figure too.

>>25323759
Now first of all Jung was never crazy, he performed psychological experiments on himself because he's that fucking based.
And secondly, you can gain many useful insights from one's insanity.

As per Jung, there is functionally no difference between an artistic inspiration and an "invasion", only purely contextual concerns or how the subject is able to handle it.
You might as well say that the artist experiences insanity all the time, but is able to use it to produce art rather than identifying himself fully with the unconscious contents. If you want a modern example, it's the difference between trooning out and personifying the Anima into a fictional female character written straight from how the archetype is manifesting to me, as if "she" was speaking through me.

And that being said OP, you could read a mix of both from Jung's own seminar about Nietzsche's Zarathustra.
You get to hear the ideas of the former, and have at least a good starting point for what the latter is talking about(on a psychological level more than purely literary/artistic one, but still - I'm interested in psychological analysis so I read Jung, otherwise you might prefer somebody else).

>>25327046
>he performed psychological experiments on himself because he's that fucking based.
This should basically be expected of anyone who wants to consider himself a serious psychologist and is capable of doing so productively to advance their research and understanding of the mind. Anyone who willingly reduces the study of the human mind to statistics as much as possible is wrongheaded and degrades the discipline.

>>25327357
>Anyone who willingly reduces the study of the human mind to statistics as much as possible is wrongheaded and degrades the discipline.
Bless. I believe Jung might have been the true last psychologist. How many even took it that seriously after him?

Jung is just psychoanalysis for people who are too scared to confront their own personality flaws. They prefer to think that their flaws are universal and spiritual.

Nope, you're a twat and you need to own it.

>>25327610
It's both though, individuation is coming to terms with both the subjective and the collective sides of the Self.

>>25327610
>you're a twat and you need to own it
Interesting case of projection.

>>25326203
He'd say you're a faggot and should fuck off back to /lgbt/.

>>25327880
least angry jungian

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Speaking of those two, reading Jung's seminars on Zarathustra.
Interesting, but a bit too repetitive especially if you already know his ideas about the unconscious and archetypes enough.

1925 seminar is better, shorter, and has much higher concentration of Jung's psychological ideas, along with those fancy circle diagrams. Would recommend this one instead if you are bored of his regular books.

>>25323968
That's the price of genius.
Midwit hell is another.

>>25323968
>Jung went insane
Not even stemfags claim this. Only envious freudians would claim such blatant nonsense.
>experiencing things outside of your comfort zone is insanity
Says the pet pig

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>>25323759
>They both went crazy at the peak of their lives. Why should i take anything they wrote into consideration?
You answered your own question before you asked it, midwit.