>>25324876 Yeah such kino >let me just pull this super secret uptra slash and cut off the arm of a flying minotaur >i am le realistic protagonist, watch me kill 100 armed men on my own >duuuuude le daaark le raaape XD It's for 13 year olds. You have to be retarded to think such garbage has any literary value.
>>25324869 >wrote Exactly. Manga is a visual medium & Miura was never particularly verbose. Also INK & PAPER Miura was great at expressing emotions through his drawings, as sort of visual poetry often.
>>25325085 I liked it ok until I read past the golden age part. It's clear, especially when you consider the deleted chapter, that he had no idea where to take or wrap up the story. The art is nice but the meaning of the work itself is expressed better elsewhere, and with less sociopathic self indulgence. Berserk fans tend to actually embody the stereotype of Blood Meridian fans eye em oh.
>>25324873 I couldn't finish it. I didn't understand the hype over its so-called moral grayness or gruesomeness. I'm not a massive McCarthy fan at all but Berserk felt like Thomas the Tank Engine compared to BM. I knew something was up when so many balding anime neckbeards wouldn't shut up about it.
>>25325184 You have never lived with a woman who wasn't mommy and it shows.
>>25324973 anime dorks are perennially insecure about their total lack of academic rigor found in liberal arts/humanities so they constantly make up random ad hoc terms to seem le smart and le scientific
>>25324849 Macbeth was never my favorite tragedy but Berserk is designed for manchildren that spend more money on action figures than books >>25324872 No, he figuratively stated it
I'm so glad I stopped watching anime/reading manga. Complete junkfood made for gullible bugs that literally do not know any better. I didn't lose my virginity until my early 20s and I bet I coulda lost it in high school if it weren't for these poisonous, emotionally shallow cartoons.
>>25325960 i'm not the biggest weeb but if i had to keep a very small set of anime/manga i would never get rid of texhnolyze, jin-roh, blame and monster probably. anything else i watched is mostly entertainment or not unique but it's pretty old stuff. otherwise i agree that most of the popular stuff is garbage, and yes i know, anime website and everything
>>25326180 I've seen the 1995 movie which is pretty good (doesn't compare to any serious philosophy or philosophical novel though), I watched a good handful of Stand alone Complex and thought it was mid, couldn't finish it. >>25326195 Never heard of it but I'm sure it goes hard if you're 11.
>>25324849 I know it's inspired directly by Nietzsche, but the idea of evil is such a brilliant concept for a fantasy series, and frankly for any series. It's just great. It's a real pity we'll never see what Miura wanted to do with it.
>>25326350 I've seen Cowboy Bebop multiple times. It's one of the good ones, sure, it's still riddled with infantilizing clichés I can't stand. >doesn't sound like you've learned shit if you're discrediting your past like that It's called ditching the manchild hobbbies and growing up, you'll understand when you're older and finally nab a fully developed frontal lobe.
>>25326354 Ha, sounds more like repressing yourself to seem like an adult. Don't be dumb and pretend to be someone else, you'll never love yourself like that. You sound so angry about it
>>25326365 I know this is hard for you to handle but 99.9% of anime is geared towards stunted adolescents and most normal people grow out of it. Victimhood will not save you.
>>25325960 Give Bokutachi ga Yarimashita a read. The execution is a bit sloppy and uneven and it's juvenile and what not, but it's genuinely a great work of art.
>>25326369 Every man is a boy deep inside. Playfulness and innovation go hand in hand. Adulthood is defined by doing many things you dislike doing on purpose, but that requires acknowledging that you dislike those things. That way, you are actively going against the current, rather than letting it carry you, even if it were to carry you into a financially successful career. We may compromise with our childhood dreams, but if we abandon them utterly, we are nothing, and truly become no better than a child letting itself be shaped by its context.
Do you not like the rev on a car's engine? Does a row of plastic figurines being pushed on a game board into firing position not make you giddy? Do you believe that you are always rational when talking to other people, without some sort of freudian transference inevitably occuring without your intent? What thoughts go through your mind as you fall asleep, is it not all the fun times you've had, and hopes for fun times you could have? Life must be awfully boring once you 'grow out of' enjoying yourself.
>>25326408 you say this like it's a bad thing. taking anything in life more serious than a fucking video game youtube essay will leave you unable to relate to loads of automatons and drones too
>>25326417 I mean, sure gatekeeping is a good thing, but turning your hobby into a total circlejerk doesn't seem very productive. Who wants to spend their life reading books about books about books about books, when they could just read books, or better yet, live what the books are about, so that they can write anything worthwhile themselves, instead of more books about books?
Why can't you guys be more like Hrabal and care for the common retard? Appreciate his entertainment for what it is? How do you hope to make anything of human condition if you banish most of what it is truly human from your thoughts? That weakness of character, the tropes, the inclinations towards archetypes and common narratives, and the way that popular fiction changes over time, all this can teach you a lot.
But, of course, that requires humility, rather than being a pretentious elitist stuck in a human centipede with all the other academics.
>>25326382 >Do you know which books in particular? Mostly Beyond Good and Evil and On the Genealogy of Morality. Miura gave a metaphysical spin to Nietzsche's idea that evil is a historical construction to explain why we suffer, specifically the slave. We suffer because there's such thing as evil. The genius of Miura, I think, from a narrative aspect, was to poke into what would be the implications if we took this literally, that evil was indeed invented by humans to explain suffering and now the fate of humanity revolves around evil because we put it at the center of creation as the force that determines our lives.
>>25326365 >Ha, sounds more like repressing yourself to seem like an adult Not at all, I've always preferred reading books to manga, that preference simply magnified substantially with age. >Don't be dumb and pretend to be someone else I don't think I am but thank you for the wisdom. >You sound so angry about it I am feeling a little frustrated, but not at myself, but at the plastic, hollow, infantilizing culture of anime/manga/video games/whatever that prioritizes corny sentimentality. 99 percent of the time it just feels like playing with toddler toys. And I'm also frustrated with how many 30+ year olds are satisfied with these things. It's like that famous poem about the best minds of a generation being lost, can't help but feel a little strongly about it all.
>>25326490 Don't you think that's a bit reductive? That stuff disappears pretty soon, and gives you a ten books of grounded realistic medieval drama instead.
>>25325951 >shits on the medium like a retard >starts talking about getting laid out of the blue Men can't lose virginity, you don't have hymen you feminized faggot.
>>25324849 maybe it's the medium of manga itself, but I am just past the early church arc of berserk and don't exactly have a desire to keep reading. I do not believe it's anything more than entertainment and if I'm reading for entertainment I'd rather read a novel for fun. I don't know. people talk about Berserk like it's something more but I'm starting to think it's just tranime losers and such screeching as always
>>25326464 >Miura gave a metaphysical spin to Nietzsche's idea that evil is a historical construction to explain why we suffer So did Heidegger and Nishitani, I'll stick with them instead
>>25326604 lmao you are literally projecting and insecure. sorry the world is finally waking up to the fact that almost all anime is for permanent adolescents kek
>>25325858 No, I think you're just a retard who thinks loli/shota-fags are pedophiles while you do nothing against pedophiles who actually harm real people.
>>25327801 a "close friend" is continuing the story with his team but it's taking a long ass time and i stopped reading it. it's been like 5 years and we got 10 chapters or something
>>25327807 This. Like can these fucking things come out sooner? Also Miura had so much shit to flesh out even beyond The Idea of Evil. We will probably never get Zodd's backstory.
>>25327889 i made peace with it, i realized i wasn't even enjoying it that much after the rebirth of griffith and the priest guy arc and that was already more than 20 years ago i think
Berserk is a shit rip off of the movie Flesh and Blood. Shakespeare's work is all a rip off but it is way better than Berserk slop. If Shakespeare ripped off Flesh and Blood it would be kino instead of dialogue from cartoon network
>>25324849 That guy who has one of the largest private collection of books on youtube actually has a limited edition omnibus copy of Berserk that made its way into his "rarest books I own" video as well as some sort of Naruto vinal audiobook thingy.
>>25324849 Did anyone else get put off by the pace of the arc where the inquisitors do shit? The retarded comedy and "team dynamics" made me remember the Japanese are man children. The golden age arc is probably the best Japan has ever put out in comic form tho.
>>25328691 I'm going through those arcs, and it really feels like the story is falling off. Endless gore and rape are not making up for it. Also, I feel it was a bad decision to bring Griffith back after the Eclipse.