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>>25327059
I believe that when you are jewish, everything you say/think/make is underlaid by the fact that you are jewish. Any artistic creation or idea raised comes with the asterisk of judaism, signalling that not only you hate nature and humanity, but that also you have made your life a monument to ugliness and demoralization and are being perpetually persecuted as a consequence.
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>>25327059
Wasn't it an open secret what a creep he was for alt goth type girls? I don't really have an issue believing his bpd accuser. I didn't really follow the story though so I don't know if she was accusing him of anything illegal or just being a perv. Either way.
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>>25327442
What she described is actual horrific violent rape where he made her eat her own vomit and shit. But plenty of bdsm freaks are into that so the key question is whether she, at the time, asked for and consented to that type of treatment or not. My gut says he's just a straight up rapist but it's possible she retroactively withdrew consent.
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>>25327059
Jesus Christ: I'm not even a lawyer with the privilege of discovery and I could tell those bitches were full of shit just based on their own published words in the big article published on Vulture. Nothing screams "I'm a victim of rape and sexual assault" like admitting to voluntarily continuing to visit, (Alone! - For months on end!), the guy you say raped you - all after the initial assault supposedly took place, mind you - and having explicit phone conversations with his wife about what pleases him sexually before the visits were scheduled to occur. Not once did any did any of these lying bitches file a police report after they said they were assaulted. Not once did they call emergency services for guidance or help. Not once did the retard who claimed he forced her to perform oral sex on him in his garden bathtub try and get up and run away screaming, or bite his dick and run away to dial 911 on her cell phone. Like, these are grown women with agency and resources available to them. And not one capitalized on their agency or slew of options in the moments during and after the assaults supposedly took place. There are holes all over these bitches' stories. It was obviously 100% bullshit from the beginning.
My take? - They all legit thought they would become the new "wife" next to Amanda Palmer in an open marriage and expected to be setup for life with a rich and very famous guy who could provide for them. Meanwhile, they were just used as sex partners for the married couple until Gaiman and Palmer got bored and moved on to the next toy. I think this naive idea was particularly true of the "victim" who was a struggling single mother.
Once it became clear to them what this situation actually was, they made victims of themselves, because why take any responsibility for your actions at all? Who wants to admit to being a gullible moron? Plus, lawsuit $$$! And they went to people who would tell them exactly what they wanted to hear - "Oh you poor victim! You were groomed (as a fucking fully grown adult! lol)! You had been a victim of assault as a child and he used his predator power on your vulnerable mind to control you! He scared you into making you do what he wanted! Blah blah blah - Oh you poor little thing! Believe all women! All men are monsters! He was a monster! He manipulated you and you blacked out and couldn't fight back because !VICTIM!"
Just a bunch of gutter cunts who couldn't stand the thought that they allowed themselves to become gutter cunts, and got mad when their completely stupid fantasies didn't come true.
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I hated Neil Gaiman before the scandal dropped. He ruined Miracleman. Also the dude needs to stop writing forwards for every single book. I think Gaiman is a writer who writes to inspire the common folk but he doesn't actually have anything interesting to say so he writes very vapid surface level feel good stories with some drama thrown in for good measure.
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>>25327059
My reaction to this whole story is basically the same to when Marilyn Manson was >exposed as a creep. I thought it was common knowledge that he was a pervert and an anal destroyer? To a degree I can sympathise with the bad experiences these women had but if you present your butt to the butt hurter you're at least partly responsible for the outcome.
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>>25327059
I'll post all the juiciest excerpts from the article that ruined his career. You can read the full thing here: https://archive.is/20250113132911/https://www.vulture.com/article/neil -gaiman-allegations-controversy-ama nda-palmer-sandman-madoc.html#selec tion-2423.0-2423.1637
>Gaiman led Pavlovich down a stone path into the garden to an old-fashioned tub with a roll top and walked away. She got undressed and sank into the bath, looking up at the furry magenta blossoms of the pohutukawa tree overhead. A few minutes later, she was surprised to hear Gaiman's footsteps on the stones in the dark. She tried to cover her breasts with her arms. When he arrived at the bath, she saw that he was naked. Gaiman put out a couple of citronella candles, lit them, and got into the bath. He stretched out, facing her, and, for a few minutes, made small talk. He bitched about Palmer's schedule. He talked about his kid's school. Then he told her to stretch her legs out and "get comfortable."
>"I said 'no.' I said, 'I'm not confident with my body,'" Pavlovich recalls. "He said, 'It's okay - it's only me. Just relax. Just have a chat.'" She didn't move. He looked at her again and said, "Don't ruin the moment." She did as instructed, and he began to stroke her feet. At that point, she recalls, she felt "a subtle terror."
>Gaiman asked her to sit on his lap. Pavlovich stammered out a few sentences: She was gay, she'd never had sex, she had been sexually abused by a 45-year-old man when she was 15. Gaiman continued to press. "The next part is really amorphous," Pavlovich tells me. "But I can tell you that he put his fingers straight into my ass and tried to put his penis in my ass. And I said, 'No, no.' Then he tried to rub his penis between my breasts, and I said 'no' as well. Then he asked if he could come on my face, and I said 'no' but he did anyway. He said, 'Call me 'master,' and I'll come.' He said, 'Be a good girl. You're a good little girl.'"
>Afterward, Pavlovich crouched down in the water and tried to clean herself off. Gaiman looked at her and smiled. "'Amanda told me I couldn't have you,'" Pavlovich recalls him saying. As soon as he'd heard this, he "knew he had to have" her. "'God,'" he continued, "'I wish it were the good old days where we could both fuck you.'"
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>>One evening, Palmer dropped Pavlovich and the child off with Gaiman and retreated back to her own place. Pavlovich was in the kitchen, tidying up, when he approached her from behind and pulled her to the sofa. "It all happened again so quickly," Pavlovich says. Gaiman pushed down her pants and began to beat her with his belt. He then attempted to initiate anal sex without lubrication. "I screamed 'no,'" Pavlovich says. Had Gaiman and Pavlovich been engaging in BDSM, this could conceivably have been part of a rape scene, a scenario sometimes described as consensual nonconsent. But that would have required careful negotiation in advance, which she says they had not done. After she said "no," Gaiman backed off briefly and went into the kitchen. When he returned, he brought butter to use as lubricant. She continued to scream until Gaiman was finished. When it was over, he called her "slave" and ordered her to "clean him up." She protested that it wasn't hygienic. "He said, 'Are you defying your master?'" she recalls. "I had to lick my own shit."
>Afterward, she got into the shower and tried to wash her mouth out with a bar of lavender soap. It had a grainy texture and tasted of metal, acid, and herbs. She noticed blood swirling down the drain. He hadn't used a condom, and she worried she might have gotten an infection. She had a migraine, and her whole body ached. But she didn't consider leaving. She'd hated herself her whole life, she tells me, "and when someone comes along and hates you as much as yourself, it is kind of a relief, without it always being consent." She says she understands how Scientologists might have felt when they were sent to the Hole, a detention center where they were forced to lick the floor as punishment. She'd heard of how some would stay in the room even after they were allowed to leave. "People keep licking the floor in that horrible room," she says.
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>The nights with Gaiman blurred together. There was the time she passed out from pain while Gaiman was having anal sex with her. He made her perform oral sex while his penis had urine on it. He ordered her to suck him off while he watched screeners for the first season of The Sandman. In one instance, he thrust his penis into Pavlovich's mouth with such force that she vomited on him. Then he told her to eat the vomit off his lap and lick it up from the couch.
>A week or so into Pavlovich's time with the family, their son began to address her as "slave" and ordered Pavlovich to call him "master." Gaiman seemed to find it amusing. Sometimes he'd say to his child, in an affable tone, "Now, now, Scarlett's not a slave. No, you mustn't." One day, Pavlovich came into the living room when Gaiman and the boy were on the couch watching the children's show Odd Squad. She joined them, sitting down next to the child. Gaiman put his arm around them both, reached into Pavlovich's shirt, and fondled her breasts. She says he didn't make any effort to hide what he was doing from the boy. Another time, during the day, he requested oral sex in the middle of the kitchen while the boy was awake and somewhere in the house. "He would never shut a door," she says.
>>On February 19, 2022, Gaiman and his son spent the night at a hotel in Auckland, which they sometimes did for fun. Gaiman asked Pavlovich if she could come by and watch the child for an hour so he could get a massage. It was a small room - one double bed, a television, and a bathroom. When he returned, Gaiman and the boy ate dinner, takeout from a nearby delicatessen. Afterward, Gaiman wanted to watch a movie, but the child wanted to play with the iPad. The boy sat against the wall by the picture window overlooking the city, facing the bed. Pavlovich perched on the edge of the mattress; Gaiman got onto the bed and pulled her so she was on her back. He lifted the covers up over them. She tried to signal to him with her eyes that he should stop. She mouthed, "What the fuck are you doing?" She didn't want the child to overhear what she was saying. Gaiman ignored her. He rolled her onto her side, took off his pants, pulled off her skirt, and began to have sex with her from behind while continuing to speak with his son. "'You should really get off the iPad,'" she recalls him saying. Pavlovich, in a state of shock, buried her head in the pillow. After about five minutes, Gaiman got up and walked to the bathroom, half-naked. He urinated on his hand and then returned to Pavlovich, frozen on the bed, and told her to "lick it off." He went back to the bathroom, naked from the waist down. "Before you leave," he told Pavlovich, "you have to finish your job." She went to the bathroom, and he pushed her to her knees. The door was open. (Gaiman's representatives say these allegations are "false, not to mention, deplorable.")
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>>25327059
I remembered reading his snow white vampire story and thought it was just perverted smut. So I always knew.
I was just expecting something more, because reddit praised that story a lot. And it was just a Tanith Lee ripoff.
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>>25327447
No, there were many many times where she said that she enjoyed it and consented.
>She was terrified of upsetting Gaiman. “I was disconnected from everybody else at that point in my life,” she tells me. She rushed to reassure him. “It was consensual (and wonderful)!” she wrote.
>After Palmer’s offer, Pavlovich texted Gaiman: “I am consumed by thoughts of you, the things you will do to me. I’m so hungry. What a terrible creature you’ve turned me into.” The following weekend, she packed up her sublet and boarded the ferry to Waiheke.
Obviously he did bad stuff too but she's 100% at fault as well.
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>>25329306
They are all a bunch of bullshitting, perpetual-victim, mentally disturbed, and pathetic liars. And that is exactly why the accusations against him never went anywhere legally. It doesn't take a genius to tear their stories apart at the seams. I'm not even a fan of Gaiman or anything, but these kinds of "Me Too" contrivances and false accusations do nothing but make a mockery of actual victims of actual sexual assault.
>"But I can tell you that he put his fingers straight into my ass and tried to put his penis in my ass. And I said, 'No, no.' Then he tried to rub his penis between my breasts, and I said 'no' as well. Then he asked if he could come on my face, and I said 'no' but he did anyway. He said, 'Call me 'master,' and I'll come.' He said, 'Be a good girl. You're a good little girl.' "
- Okay, so your lesbian, virginal ass just sat there while this guy tries to finger your ass and jerks off on your face in his garden bathtub?? Why didn't you get up and run away? If you were playing it cool because you were scared, then why didn't you go to the cops afterward?? Why did you wait forever to tell anyone about this? WHY did you continue to see him and make friends with him and his wife after this happened?? - The answer is, because you are totally full of shit!
>"The nights with Gaiman blurred together."
- The NIGHTS? THE NIGHTS?? lol fuck off, you liar. No woman on the planet voluntarily returns to be alone with a man who legit sexually assaulted her for the explicit purpose of having more sex with him for months on end. Remember, this woman is supposedly a LESBIAN. Total crock of shit.
>"I had to lick my own shit."
- No you fucking didn't you fucking irresponsible lying idiot. Why didn't you say "No," and get up and walk away? Again, why didn't you tell any authorities about this stuff after it supposedly happened?
Zero accountability, with a geyser of pride erupting from their gutter whore domes. You can't make yourself available to be a gutter whore for someone and then once you feel bad for yourself afterwards, and once reality obliterates your childish fantasies, just decide to take it all back and conclude that you were a "victim" who was "coerced" and "raped."
And fuck the cowardly journalist who managed to devote zero objectivity to any of these bitches half-assed stories.
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>>25329303
>she got into the shower and tried to wash her mouth out with a bar of lavender soap. It had a grainy texture and tasted of metal, acid, and herbs
Including this detail is a little bizarre, isn't it??
For me the worst part of this wasn't mentioned: it was that they cast a black woman as "Death", who was a white scene girl in the comics