When I went to Japan most of the other white tourists were from Australia and they were all unbelievable assholes. The lady who brought a double stroller onto the ferry to Miyajima during Golden Week can go fuck herself. Your kids are too young to remember that, and you're needlessly taking up space. Fuck off and die.

That's New York you retard.

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>>23778757

>That's New York you retard.

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>>23778757
>That's New York you retard

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>>23778743
colony had to drop somewhere, it ended up being australia. 0079 is a ground breaking anime so every other subsequent mecha show pay homage to it by cucking convicts off the map.
funny thing is 0079 doesn't even mention that it was australia, that was a later addition in the lore by the time of 0083.

>>23778780
You sure that was a 0083 invention and not something that was addressed in the early 80s setting material?

>>23778782
I didn't mean 0083 specifically, but it was definitely canonized around the late 80s-early 90s timeframe iirc.

>>23778743
Actually, It was like 100 Colonies dropped on Earth in the first series. At least in Tomino's head. He just depicted only one of them crashing to Earth in the show for aesthetic reasons.

That's how 5 billion people died in the first few days of the war. Tomino estimated 1.2-1.3 billion casualties for each crashed Sides (except Sides-3,6,7).

Then the first wave of retcons came in. the war is now called the One Year War and just one colony dropped on Earth etc.
Sydney retcon came especially when people other than Tomino made 0083.

>>23778911
>Then the first wave of retcons came in. the war is now called the One Year War and just one colony dropped on Earth etc.
despite being off screen, One Year War, One Week War and Loum Battle were already part of the setting when the show was airing.

>>23778911

I always preferred it being a single colony that dealt that kind of damage. It sells just how horrific even a single colony impacting the Earth (in multiple faster, smaller pieces) could deal such heinous damage. It is part of why Gundam X’s portrayal felt like it really undersold just how destructive dozens of them hitting the planet would be, with civilization and nature recovering so quickly in 15 years.

>>23778920
nope. not for "OYW" which was coined in by the Animec magazine editor Komaki in an interview with Tomino after the show ended.

and yes, One Week War and Battle of Loum had been there since the project was called GunBoy.

It's more a side result of Tomino's average Japanese fixation on Brazil. Brazil having a large number of Japanese diaspora, it's not uncommon to have it be a mentioned in Japanese stories, which is why Jaburo(vaguely in Brazil, originally) is the EF military headquartersse. But the colony drop had to miss Jaburo and Australia was reasonably within the southern hemisphere that would also be recognizable as an area where such destruction could be visibly measured

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>>23778757
>That's New York you retard.

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>>23778757
No, I don't know why the right-facing fish heads are upside down; take it up with the anon who shopped it.

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>>23779250

There you go.

>>23778782
Gundam Century established it. In Tomino's version pretty much all the major cities got hit by colonies. Actually G Eternal mentions too this and said the colonIES of Side 2 were used to major cities all across earth. So they're retconning it to Tominos original vision.

>>23778911
Sydney is not from 0083. Gundam Century.

>>23778743
>Is he still pissed we kicked their asses in WW2?
You retards couldn't beat a chocobo

>>23778780
>cucking convicts off the map
That would explain why the rest of the wreckage bombarded the US.

>>23779251
They're still upside down, just now their eyes are on their lower jaws.

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>forgets a certain Gainax anime that shat on Oz even worse.

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The hidden villain from Tomino's Dunbine "Shot Weapon" was an American whose family fled to Australia where he was forced to do backbreaking labour.
After developing Aurabattlers in byston well, his goal was to bring these super weapons to upper earth so he could use them to raze Autsralia and America to the ground

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>>23779270
Not only that, but it was generally understood that it was New York which had the colony dropped on it, as Tomino wrote in the first Gundam novel:
>It was because Zeon also implemented its diabolical colony crash strategy, which consisted of maneuvering the "dead" colony cylinders into Earth orbit, and then decelerating them until they plummeted toward targets on the ground. When the first colony fell on New York, the horrified people of Earth were driven to action.
The art director for Gundam even illustrated picrel for one of the Roman Albums.
For whatever reason, 0083 went with the Sydney colony drop instead of New York. I've read some Kawamori interviews though and he said the younger staff on 0083 were insistent on making sure the setting didn't deviate from the established lore in Gundam Century, which he thought was funny because to him it was literally fanfiction he made for fun with his Studio Nue buddies.

>>23782736
>but it was generally understood that it was New York which had the colony dropped on it
But the setting notes said multiple colonies were dropped, and the wording from your novels even says "When the first colony fell" which implies multiple colonies were dropped

>For whatever reason, 0083 went with the Sydney colony drop instead of New York.
Wasn't that because of 0080 and not 0083?

>which he thought was funny because to him it was literally fanfiction he made for fun with his Studio Nue buddies.
Don't blame Kawamori, it's Hiroyuki Hoshiyama's fault since he supervised the Gundam Century databook project. They gave him the job since he was the original chief writer for the MSG TV series.

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>>23782750
>But the setting notes said multiple colonies were dropped, and the wording from your novels even says "When the first colony fell" which implies multiple colonies were dropped
Maybe I could've been clearer, but what I meant to say was that the one colony drop depicted in the anime was supposed to be New York.
>Wasn't that because of 0080 and not 0083?
Nah, 0080 never once mentioned a colony drop. 0083 was when there was actual on-screen confirmation.
>Don't blame Kawamori, it's Hiroyuki Hoshiyama's fault since he supervised the Gundam Century databook project. They gave him the job since he was the original chief writer for the MSG TV series.
Anon I don't know where you're getting the impression I'm blaming Kawamori, I just thought it was an amusing anecdote how the Gundam fans who worked on 0083 venerate Gundam Century, even though the guy who actually helped create it didn't even take it that seriously. I've also read about how Kenichi Matsuzaki (also a scriptwriter for Gundam and worked on Gundam Century) did it for fun and never meant for it to be official:
>However, the fact that it ended up becoming an ‘official’ record of Gundam was something that even at the time caused a bit of confusion for Sunrise, who had granted permission. Perhaps because of that, Kenichi Matsuzaki, who was involved in the project and also wrote scripts for the main series, would often say, "That was just a bit of fun for grown-ups" whenever the subject came up (laughs).

>>23778743
Tomino needed a country that wouldn't affect the world if it were destroyed or damaged. So the United States, Europe, Japan (obviously), and North America were off the table.

But the country still needed to be relevant enough that people would still care if it were destroyed or partially partially. No one cares if the colony drop hits Africa or Iceland.

So the only option left that fits both categories is Australia. It's still a first world country but not so relevant that the global order would collapse if Australia is eliminated.

>>23782861
IIRC the only mention of Sydney in 0080 is when Bernie lies to the Fed soldier and says he's from there.

>>23778743
They are cunts. They also lost to emus

>>23778743
About a month before First Gundam premiered a space colony (Skylab 1) crashed inyo the Earth off course from where it was actually meant to land and hitting Australia IRL

>>23778946
IMO it feels like Tomino did the math during development and figured that it would be more REALISTIC for just one colony of that size to cause global scale devestation.

>>23786183
yeah no, that's literally new york in the illustrations above

by the time they decided on australia, tomino literally was not the person working on the production that decided to make it australia

>>23786318
>IMO it feels like Tomino did the math during development and figured that it would be more REALISTIC for just one colony of that size to cause global scale devestation.
It feels like it was the other way around. He seemed to think it was more damaging initially and then regret that and thought they'd need multiple colonies. Probably due to the colonies lacking mass and speed in spite of their size.

You can see how comparatively irrelevant the colony drop in ZZ was.

>>23786329
>You can see how comparatively irrelevant the colony drop in ZZ was.
tell that to Seamus O'Connell you spacenoid fuck

>>23787289
what's some guy in Boston have to do with the caliphate of Ireland?

>>23778743
what's with this site's obsession with describing any element of any story as the author having some irrational obsession

It's not a Tomino thing, you can trace anime influences back to popular sci-fi of the time from decades past.
Not just destruction of Australia, the common interest in Jupiter, psychics, etc.

>>23786326
>yeah no, that's literally new york in the illustrations above
>that's literally new york
>new york
>Sydney opera house

You have low IQ

>>23788333
I do not remember the twin towers being in Australia.

>>23786329
>Probably due to the colonies lacking mass
Wtf is this nonsense? Colonies have enormous mass. Did you do any basic research on Gundam?

>>23779373
I didn't know Australia was on Tatooine.

>>23778743
Because just a few months after the premiere of MSG, Skylab actually crashed into Australia.
Symmetry, my friend!

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>>23790841
They're based on Gerard O'Neill's Island Three design which is 8x32 km (about the size of the Gundam colonies, although in some sources O'Neill used American 4x20 miles instead, which is smaller) and weighs about 6 billion tons. Likely double that with the dirt and buildings inside. Do the math and that's a density of 7.5 kg/m3 which is about 100 times less than a comet or 200-500 times less than an asteroid. It's barely 6 times heavier than our atmosphere! Using this calculator (http://asteroidhazard.pro/, has a big list of sources), I simulate it as a 3,000 m diameter comet at 840 kg/m3 density (for the same mass), enter the angle from the show (~60 degrees maybe) and its velocity (12 km/s, lowest the calculator can show, which is VERY generous since at 12 km/s it's like 7-8 hours to Earth from any of the Sides)

The result is pretty unimpressive stats since it's only 200 GT of TNT (4,000 Tsar bombs). At 1,800 km away from the blast, you'd feel a strong breeze and some ashfall and a minor earthquake. You'd light almost all eastern Australia on fire (wait, that happens every year anyway) and fuck up every city there with fires and burning alive anything caught in the open. It would also cause a large tsunami across the Pacific and Indian Ocean, but not much higher than the 2004 tsunami was (outside New Zealand, they're kinda fucked). The crater is pretty tiny, just 15 km across or about as large as Sydney proper, certainly not like someone took a bite out of Australia. The real damage is long-term since you'd cause years of global cooling. One paper suggests an impact of that size would reduce crop yields by half. But a recent model from 2025 regarding the 5 times larger asteroid Bennu hitting Earth claims even that would only last 5 years. But the actual colony drop would only kill MAYBE 20 million people at worst.

>>23786329
The Dublin colony drop is too far in the opposite direction and definitely should've been a bigger deal, since the math and calculator I used above show it would have devastated Western and Central Europe and would've killed way more people than Sydney, but maybe it makes sense since the place Uso lives is clearly Czechia and it appears to be in ruins. Every tree or wooden building or human standing in the open there would've burnt to a crisp. Then again, I can't recall Europe showing up much chronologically after ZZ.

Personally I think a colony is more likely to just explode in the atmosphere and rain giant half-molten chunks of metal everywhere, since as it heats up in the atmosphere, its internal atmosphere will expand and push against the structurally weakened hull and rupture it. IIRC they tried to address that in the Origin's version of the colony drop but if your structural material is that good to hold that together, you ought be building mobile suits and warships out of it. Spacenoids would definitely need to drop an entire Side's worth of colonies like in Gundam X to cause serious, permanent devastation.

>>23778946
Not to mention crashing dozens of colonies sounds much harder logistically, the Sydney drop being the only one is easier to believe, that the stars aligned for Zeon to deliver this single seismic blow to the Federation that they can't just repeat over and over until the Feddies surrender.
Basically, the story feels better when Zeon are presented as underdogs, not invincible.

>>23798642
Your calculations are clearly wrong since we saw what happened in the 0079 anime. Sydney was destroyed completely, and the secondary tsunamis caused worldwide devastation to all coastal cities around the Earth.

Redo your calculations again.

>>23798880
Yes, in anime logic, but I'm just showing the actual physics and why the Dublin colony drop is closer to the reality of it (minus the fact that if you can see it fall, you have a few minutes until you're vaporized by hurricane-force winds). Do you have an actual figure on how big the colonies were supposed to be so I can better calculate? I always just assumed they copy-pasted Gerard O'Neill's design (and probably the smaller 4x20 miles version and not the 8x32 km one).
>>23798649
I think the idea of a colony drop being spectacular but ineffecient compared to a bunch of nukes fits Zeon well. It would be easier to just fire nukes or chunks of space debris/the Moon at cities until the Feddies surrender, but a colony drop has a much greater psychological effect on both the people of Earth and other spacenoids too. They don't need nukes to win when they can just throw at the Earth the homelands of Spacenoids not down with the Zabis. It's very fitting for the people who loved making Big Zam and all the other mobile armor designs. Plus a colony drop doesn't make so much radiation so is cleaner than firing gigatons worth of nukes.

>>23798642
Why did you ignore the 0083 colony drop which supposedly destroyed the middle of North America and turned it into a desert afterwards?

>>23799259
You are partially right about the Colony drop. But Zeon also did it because it gave them an excuse to get rid of their enemies. The Colonies they dropped were from Sides that violently opposed Zeon. So the drop sends a double message to all those who oppose Zeon.

>>23798643
>The Dublin colony drop is too far in the opposite direction and definitely should've been a bigger deal
I think largely regrets how he didn't take ZZ Gundam seriously and didn't plan things out correctly. The studio received a lot of hate mail about ZZ Gundam. When finishing the Zeta movies the reporters asked Tomino about doing ZZ Gundam. Tomino said he has absolutely desire to revisit that era of Gundam and there's no need. That Zeta Gundam was meant to give everyone a happier ending. Then he casually dismissed any further questions about ZZ.

>>23799303
>I think
Oops I meant "I think Tomino..."

>>23799293
Because it was ages since I saw 0083 and I was tired when I wrote all that. IIRC that one might be the closest to reality since the destruction radius is reasonably close to reality, and maybe even wider in this case since it takes less energy to singe corn or wheat than to burn people or buildings (my metric for "total destruction" is the point where people get 2nd degree burns and wood is catching fire). It's not hard to ruin crops this way. And since Gundam portrays a shitty ruined Earth, it probably would cause another Dust Bowl sort of ruin because farmers ran the place into the ground. On top of that of course you have the aforementioned dust in the atmosphere and 4-5 years of global cooling I mentioned earlier.

>>23799807
I don't understand how you are determining what is realistic or not. If a giant metal tube the size of an asteroid and holds 20 million people drops onto an earth city im sure it would wipe everything out.

>>23802213
Because it's a physics problem, and a space colony is much, much less dense than an asteroid of equal size. And we know exactly how much because the Gundam writers grounded it in real-world engineering concepts (unlike mobile suits or Minovsky particles) where the dimensions and mass are estimated. And since we know that, we can estimate the actual damage that it would do if it fell to Earth using the same models and formulas scientists use for describing the hazards posed by potentially dangerous asteroids like Apophis and Bennu.

Do the colonies in Gundam actually hold 20 million people? They don't look like that in any of the shows, since that would mean either the whole thing would be populated almost as dense as Manhattan or there'd be multiple urban centers inside (and they don't look to have that, more like a mix of large parks, suburbs, and city centers). But even if we scaled it up to, say, 8x80 km where the 20 million number makes sense, that would only be a 2.5 times bigger explosion, and even that isn't going to do too much more damage than I mentioned. Operation British looks like what would happen if you dropped hundreds of colonies on the same spot. Remember, a single space colony based on its mass (maybe 12 billion tons counting every single building, person, road, soil, etc inside) impacting the Earth no faster than 12 km/s (because we know from Gundam they aren't moving that fast!) is only going to make about 200 gigatons of explosion. That's big, but smaller than even the largest volcanoes in history (which also have make more toxic gas to block out the Sun since it's the Earth vomiting forth its guts).

>>23802213
Retard.

>>23778743
it's close enough 2 japan 4 people 2 visit

>>23778743
Have you BEEN to Sydney? It's awful.

>>23804561
>Do the colonies in Gundam actually hold 20 million people?
Only at their theoretical maximum capacity. most colonies are in the low millions. Londenion in CCA was called an older colony city and its population was only 5 million. The 30 bunch incident where they gassed the entire cylinder had a death toll of either 3 million or 10 million, depending on the source.

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>>23778743
I'll be honest, I'm surprised with how much Spain appears in Gundam, at least way more than in most anime. They go to the Canary Islands in 0079 (and then made an entire movie on one of the islands), in Origin Casval and Artessia take refuge near Granada (Spain) and their adoptive father is from there, in 00 Louise Halevy is from Spain and Nena Trinity bombs a part of Navarre, there's a character named Gigi Andalucia... It's just curious, I'm more used to France, Italy and UK taking the spotlight.

>>23817191
In the original anime Doan's Island is in the pacific, likely the Aleutians, it's turned into the Canaries by the movie because it's in the Origin continuity where Jaburo comes before Odessa and they need to cross the Atlantic.

>>23817470
Oh, I didn't know that (I still have The Origin manga on hold), thanks anon