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I declare 2026 as The Year of Patlabor
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>>23793618
>You will never have a Noa backpack
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>>23793669
Cry about it.
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>>23795153
It's a weird tonal shift and wasn't marketed as a side-story so attaching the Patlabor name feels like a weird bait-and-switch especially as iirc the actual protagonists barely achieve an impact on the story's events and then SV2 swoop in near the end and do the climax for them, as a story it's messy, as a mood piece, gorgeous
sidenote on the quality of the animation - the person lipreading the videotape for them being a black deaf woman is a great, granular bit of observation by the animators, I can totally believe a job that specialist would be the sort they'd be more likely to need to grant to a foreigner to fill, I love when animators display the intelligence/real-world experience to work in such subtleties, what unappreciated refinement
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>>23795767
What makes it even stranger is that it's adapting an arc of the manga where Noa and Asuma ARE the main characters. It's a truly bizarre endeavour, I can't really think of anything else that does something similar within an established franchise.
Arguably the reason that Patlabor can pull its trick of being all genres whenever the hell it feels like is that it's anchored in such an incredibly well realised core cast that you're happy to watch them do pretty much anything. Chucking away that common anchoring point is a tough sell regardless of the standalone merits of the project.
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>>23795767
>weird tonal shift
How? It's perfectly fit alongside what 1 and 2 built upon.
>wasn't marketed as a side-story so attaching the Patlabor name feels like a weird bait-and-switch
It's Patlabor, a vehicle to tell military otaku stories, not the avengers.
I get the complaints but I don't agree with any of them, the magic of anime is that it's so detached from Hollywood's predatory practices and studio bullshit (at least it was 30 years ago) so trying to make sense of why something didn't happen the way you think it should've happened and framing it as a 'flaw' seems a bit immature.
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>>23793618
Ship it
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I remember there being some news about an older lady calling the cops on this
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https://x.com/moesino/status/2037899861388083268
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>>23799671
Why do the legs look like that?
Is it some sort of soft plastic?
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hehe
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>>23805597
Putting blacks into place.
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>>23810008
They've said a few times now that the show is considered to be in the TV/OVA2 continuity. Which makes sense given that Headgear got the gang sans Oshii back together because they didn't want TNG and Oshii's vision of Patlabor to be the final word in the franchise, and the OVA/film continuity is the one he had the most influence in shaping.
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>>23809122
So who ripped off whom?
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>>23818072
You don't get to decide what is or isn't Patlabor.
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>>23796925tsugeis so lucky
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>>23793618
who's making the best AV-98 Plus?
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>>23820088
I think there's a little more to it, headgear was just cautious about approaching the relationship after a certain point. Most episodes of TV and at the end of the manga imply they had a more pure and unique relationship with each other than anyone else. The novelizations of Next Generation turned Noa into a housewife who now just simply had Asuma's kids, which stopped her from responding to a call to action. The Noa's clone Akira Izumino lost a bit of respect for her because of it, which is honestly really stupid. I'm a big fan of the relationship since I think it's development is pretty unique, but I can't say I'm completely on board with Oshii's portrayal of it
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>>23820183
This is kind of irrelevant to me when the conclusion someone Kazunori Ito who was the main screenwriter for the TV show ends up writing cuckshit about Noa marrying some other guy and Asuma okays it at the wedding and neither of them talk to each for years until her husband dies in a freak accident lol. Is that really a " pure and unique " conclusion to the relationship?
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>>23820183
>The novelizations of Next Generation turned Noa into a housewife who now just simply had Asuma's kids, which stopped her from responding to a call to action.
What's even wrong with this? TNG canonized them in a relationship " both public and private " meaning that they were married and Noa worked with Shinohara Industries iirc. It makes sense to retire from that after she had kids. Seems perfectly realistic especially when Oshii's version of Patlabor has Labors increasingly fazed out in the future
>Akira lost a bit of respect for her because of it, which is honestly really stupid.
Seems like that's an interesting plot line though because Akira deified Noa so much
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>>23820217
Don't get me wrong, I also disagree with Goto Sushiya's take on the relationship heavily, Ito was definitely out of line. When I was talking about a pure and unique relationship, I was referring to slow build up that they had across TV and the manga. Goto Sushiya was intended to build off the movie timeline anyways, which wasn't what I was talking about initially
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>>23820233
I don't mind Noa having kids and settling down, though I think her becoming a traditional stay at home mother feels a bit too "standard" for the kind of character she was initially. If you think otherwise, that's fine, I would've preferred to see something a little different
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>>23820257
The timeline shit is really an invention from the rest of Headgear to separate Oshii's work though, they were basically supposed to be all watched in release order and basically seen as the same continuum with Patlabor 2 being the franchise's whole conclusion. What Ito wrote is just how he sees the conclusion to Noa and Asuma's relationship imo, irrespective of TV/movie
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>>23820275
Not in the realm of mecha protagonists necessarily, just generally a "traditional" thing to do. Usually women get married and settle down, that's just how things are. For Patlabor's setting it's fine, which is why I said I wasn't "completely" on board with it and not that I fully disagreed with it. For clarification I was more or less trying to make sense of Headgear's hesitance on touching upon their relationship and Noa's marital status. The tension between Oshii and some of the members via the creative liberties he took in TNG led to EZY, how he handled Noa was one of the points of contention. Looking at interviews post TNG you can kinda tell how flip floppy they are about it when the topic comes up, vs before where they were willing to indulge in it more
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>>23820296
Sure it's traditional in the Japanese society sense but not really in the " mecha protagonist " lens. You're right that Noa isn't the traditional women but again it's not like Oshii had them get hitched and Noa's admittedly popping out babies. She works alongside Asuma with Shinohara Industries like I said.
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>>23820290
This is true, which is why I always tell people to watch release order and don't worry too much about timelines, I think it makes the viewing experience more complicated than it should. Unfortunately I see too many people bringing up timelines whenever watch order is brought up
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>>23820313
She did work at SHI yeah, it's just that in the novels she just becomes a mother who just became pampered by generational Shinohara wealth and had not a care in the world. I think that's the part that turned off the other members
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>>23820419
It was a novel called Goto Sushiya (Goto the Sushi Chef) written by Kazunori Ito very recently actually in 2021. Here's the official Patlabor website talking about it
https://patlabor.tokyo/news/1085/
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>>23820431
Ok I got back from puking. So the TV series and manga (open ended but leans in the direction in the last few panels) imply they get together, Oshiis work confirms it in his own thing, what about the books? I heard there's books and light novels but don't know how it ends. Can you at least get me some good news? Worst case scenario after exy releases r34 will be filled with NoaxAsuma NTR, I definitely hope that is not the case.
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EZY isn't likely to mention any of the old cast in any meaningful way so I think you're going a little overboard and don't have much to worry anon. Personally I just lost some respect for Ito and Headgear after finding about this
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>>23820470
I don't think the Japanese fans like it either. I try and be charitable to creators having free reign over what they create, but Ito's take on their relationship in Goto Sushiya is abhorrent and, in my opinion, misguided.
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>>23820319
Anon, my physical release of the box set straight-up has timelines denoted on the back. This is not some unique recent fan obsession or something.
>>23820464
NTA but it wouldn't exactly be the first time a novel based on a mecha franchise went off in some batshit direction that isn't reflected in the rest of it, even when the same creator is involved in both.
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>>23820334
I can see why. I'm sure it'd depend on execution to a degree, but what that implies about both Noa and Asuma really doesn't sit right to me. Between what he's said in recent-ish interviews about not knowing what to do with Noa, how the Major in GITS '95 gets flattened down to an existential angst that can only be cured by popping out cyberbabies and how dirty Shinobu is done in Patlabor 2, I'm thinking he may have some hangups around women that occasionally show through into his work.
In particular I recall an interview where he basically says that he finds Noa one-dimensional and unbelivable. Maybe this was a clumsy attempt to add depth, and inadvertently ended up shoving her into a much more stock and cliche box instead. Hard to say without reading it of course.
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>>23820334
Sorry for the late response but I think you're just reading too much negativity in a Noa that is literally post-retired, with multiple children lol. Maybe there's some " negative " traits that come with it, that's okay
>>23821203
There's nothing wrong with Oshii's writing of Noa, Major, and Shinobu lol.
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