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>>43183360
Jumbo Don

Twilight Sparkle is worst pony.

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>>43183360
This horse is what's on my mind!

How long would I be able to get away with petting Twilight's mane while she's reading books before she makes me stop? Because I'd want to do that a lot.

>>43183367

Well that was unfortunate

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I like G5 a lot and I wished we had gotten a better series to follow up on the movie.

They did pretty much everything exactly right to be it's own thing. I love the characters so much. Izzy is my girl, Sunny is cute and relatable, Hitch is such a good male character. And the pegasus sisters have a really cool dynamic.

I love the worldbuilding too, magic returning to a modern world is so cool, it could have been like Shadowrun with sparkly pony optimism instead of edgy grimdarkness, you know?

The pony races fearing each other and learning to trust again is beautiful and exactly what the world needed for the 2020's, too.

I love it. I love them. We were robbed.

>>43183408
>They did pretty much everything exactly right to be it's own thing
Well, everything except literally the most important thing - having it be a separate universe from G4. Instead, Hasbro went with the worst of both worlds.

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>>43183415
It is it's own thing. People always blow this bit out of proportion. There's a little wink and a nod at the start of the movie and that's it. It's far enough removed in time that G4 feels like ancient myth, a long forgotten past like the first age from lord of the rings.
it only enhances the feeling of how different the new equestria is, if you ask me.

The show only started pulling in G4 characters when it was clear that teletubbies with ponies wasn't popular and they needed to generate hype somehow, creating a ton of continuity issues. That was the real mistake.

>>43183408
>I like G5 a lot
Sorry to hear you have brain damage.

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The opening scene alone is so tightly written, I'd have to write a novel to cover everything it does right. That doesn't happen by accident, they really truly cared. I think they were just forced to cut the movie down to 90 mins.

That new opening is right up there with the classic dune 1984 opening as a true masterpiece of cinema writing.

>>43183428
>There's a little wink and a nod at the start of the movie and that's it.
That's what made it a terrible decision. It's saddled with baggage by being in the same universe, but it's too far removed from what came before to bank off of what was already established. It was the worst of both worlds, attached to what came before but without being able to actually make use of it.

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Speaking of g5, I wonder whatever happened to the Twilight slide thread schizo? I haven't seen him in a while.

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>>43183439
what baggage? It adds a mythic connection to that past, metanarratively acknowledging the importance of where it came from, without necessarily having to be the same thing. I think it's the highest form of respect they could have given.

ya'll just aren't happy with nothing.

>>43183458
The baggage of being a sequel series, of being directly compared to what it's a successor to but without any of the advantages of actually being a direct continuation. It should have just been an entirely new thing with zero relation to G4.

>>43183478
it's not a sequel.

>It should have just been an entirely new thing
it basically is, except it acknowledges the past with reverence. it's literally the opposite of all the cynical deconstructivism stuff we've been getting in media for over a decade.

>>43183482
>it's not a sequel.
Then they shouldn't have had it tied to G4 at all. That's why the 'little nods' you think are so great were a bad thing. They tied it into something it should have been disconnected from.

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>>43183489
they tried to give you the world on a silver platter and you're pissing that it's the wrong colour

thankless

>>43183496
>please please please feel bad for the corporation they worked very hard on this slop
Yeah no.

>>43183502
the corporation worked very hard to destroy it, I am aware. that's why I say we were robbed.

Hi there. I was watching a bit of MLP FiM when all the hype was around the net. (2011-2013) Then i abandoned watching it cause of a "Guilty Pleasure" Sort of. I know that the show has ended 7 years ago, and i'm just wondering if i should give it another shot. I've heard that Season 8 is an ass and a soft reboot, that it should be watched a bit then skipped to season 9. Honestly, i just wanna read your thoughts on this. I'm still amazed that this fandom is still alive even after G4 has ended.

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there's really only two roads here
>corporate trend-chasing slop for babies mixed with perpetual nostalgiafagging over G4, maybe some future soulless attempts at rebooting G4 until the brand is finally run into the ground for good
or
>a genuine heartfelt attempt at building something new and original that mirrors what G4 did well, while paying respects to that legacy

you GOT the second one, against all odds you got that. and you keep wishing for the first.

>>43183516
Just curious, are you aware that G5 was born out of a G4 reboot that used the same basic 'the tribes all hate eachother and only our heroes can bring them together' premise?

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>>43183516
>you GOT the second one
I did? When? Can I see it?

>>43183508
it's still a good show, even if it has some ups and downs.

but watch G5 "A New Generation" movie instead so you can feel with me the missed potential and fall in love with Izzy, Hitch, Sunny and the rest.

>>43183520
bad things end up on the cutting room floor. so what? doesn't change what actually went into the movie was brilliant.

>>43183523
I'm not sure what we got was that much different than what they had planned to do with the reboot. Perhaps that says that the two roads you describe aren't quite as clear as you say they are.

You guys proud of that Clop article on Wikipedia?

You know. The one by Czu?

>>43183524
they decided the disunity theme was strong, which it is. they pivoted away from a pure reboot, which was good. they made the right decisions and it failed.

what you'll get now is the first path, instead and you won't like it.

or maybe you are really a consoomer at heart and will buy the merch until the end of time.

>>43183527
>>43183516
G5 was already the first path you described, that's the problem.

>>43183527
The point I'm making is that corporate touch is not something you can simply avoid when creating a Hasbro product. For me, G5 going 'hey look ponies have e-celebs too isn't that crazyyy' was groan-worthy and clearly Hasbro putting their touch on things to appeal to the youth. For me, Izzy rapping to a weird combo of trap and 80s guitar was groan-worthy and clearly Hasbro trying too hard. In fact pretty much all the musical numbers outside the first felt that way to me. It's entirely possible that I'm just old and out of touch at this point but I do not think that the movie is purely a heartfelt attempt to build something new.

>>43183530
all evidence is to the contrary

try reading the reply chain, they really did well with the characters, themes and world building, it was not soulless in the slightest. they maybe considered a reboot but rejected it because it wasn't good enough.

they did everything right because they cared. they paid homage to G4 because they cared.

they won't care like that ever again. you blew it.

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>>43183526
Actually yes. That is one thing that this board HAS accomplished.

>>43183391
Sufficiently monotonous petting may be beneficial for concentration.
>>43183482
>all the cynical deconstructivism stuff we've been getting in media
Does it really happen? I hear people talk about it a lot, but when you ask them to provide any specific examples it tends to land into one of the three categories: a case of the deconstructed thing fully deserving the scolding, an honest attempt to make a neat derivative by people who just sorta suck at creativity, or the new Matrix.

>>43183535
MLP always had marketing mandates, like having to include twilight's balloon in G4. that doesn't matter.

the real problem is that the movie is the equivalent of the G4 opening two-parter, it sets the stage and establishes basics, but it took the entire season to flesh out the world and characters to what we know and love.

G5 never got that season. they immediately pivoted direction because of a lot of bad stuff happening behind the scenes. if you had to judge G4 purely on those first two episodes you'd think differently of it too.

and in fact the movie is substantially better than that two-parter, if it had a proper series to follow it up, it could have been even better than FiM, without shitting on it.

>>43183536
G5 was shit and nobody likes it for a reason. Get over yourself.

>>43183526
>gaping wikipony pussy
uh, based?

>43183544
I accept your concession

>>43183545
>No argument
Done.

>>43183542
>MLP always had marketing mandates, like having to include twilight's balloon in G4. that doesn't matter.
Tone obviously matters when it comes to whether or not people like something. I get that it worked for you, I'm not going to say you're objectively wrong for that, but I don't think the G5 series was ever going to have a tone I enjoyed based on how the movie was written. It had some good character moments, primarily between Izzy and Sunny, but everything surrounding that annoyed me rather than charmed me and I don't think that was going to change with a series. I'm sorry you didn't get the G5 you wanted, that sucks for you, I'm just explaining why that probably wasn't going to win me over.

I made tons of arguments, you just refused to accept them and then fall back on saying "it's shit lol" when you lost

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>>43183526
>czu

>>43183555
>I made tons of arguments
"UMMM WELL THEY TRIED REALLY HARD SO YOU HAVE TO CONSOOM THE SLOP" is not an argument.

>>43183554
there's a lot of things about G4 that were groanworthy too, it's a show for little kids that stumbled into narrative depth that had a universal appeal

I think the G5 movie did overuse songs where they weren't needed, but the songs that it did well were really good.

>>43183570
I think we just have fundamentally different tastes. The G4 reboot was supposedly going to lean harder into the fantasy element and I found that to be interesting despite all the other red flags coming from the production, I like the blend that G4 has but I'd be willing to see something even more fantastical. G5 instead does the opposite, it leans into the contemporary even harder than G4 and I find this extremely unappealing. I also think it's almost certainly something that Hasbro pushed as, much like with EqG, execs over the past decade and a half think that kids won't like shows unless the show's basically about their real lives. I personally find that style of show extremely unappealing. You clearly don't mind that and that's great for you, but I do.

Didn't read anything itt but them fucking up the g4 lore alone is why I have no interest in g5. Killing off some of the mane 6, twi being a shit ruler, ponies seperating into clans, etc. None of it make sense or follows logically to me. I also just don't like it which is much more important than wether or not it's good.

Caught up with the melty near the end of the previous thread and just want to say I think it's really, *really* funny how invested people get in a "cute girls doing cute things" show aimed at children for not making 6 gorillion percent narrative sense.

>>43183393
Genuinely, what could he have possibly meant by this. It's a real camera roll filename, it's sideways implying it was taken on his own phone. Incredibly unfortunate.

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>>43183591
>I also just don't like it which is much more important than wether or not it's good.

>>43183591
G5, as far as I am concerned, is a poor-quality, noncanonical fanfiction.

>>43183540
>Sufficiently monotonous petting may be beneficial for concentration.
True, she might be able to tune it out entirely in which case I could do it indefinitely. I'll have to hope for such a success.

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>>43183593
If that was the only appeal MLP had then we wouldn't be here.

>>43183582
G4 is already high fantasy, it was good to do something different. If that aligned with corporate goals then that's great.

Having magic and fantastical stuff intruding on a mundane world makes the magic more magical. MYM's big mistake was just having it as status quo since episode 1.

Where is the episode with Izzy learning her first real spell, and maybe it backfires in a dangerous way, and it makes some earth pony scared of her? And they have to figure out how to control it and make the earth pony trust her again. Maybe the earth pony is hitch and he kinda starts to fall back into his fearful ways but sunny is there to pull him out of the fear and it deepens their friendship.

That's the sort of potential you have in the setup that I'm deeply sad we never got to see.

The characters are brilliant, the setting is brilliant, the visuals are beautiful and pleasant, and you can tell they leaned into slightly more gender neutral colours while keeping it vibrant.

>>43183593
Whenever people get heated about the show's writing and zero in on every minute detail to argue over I'm put in mind of that one convention going brony that asked the VAs about the show's supposed rape themes.
Some people don't just miss the forest for the trees, they'll introduce entirely new plants to focus on instead.

>>43183611
he asked about the molestia meme no? it wasn't a direct rape question iirc.

>>43183612
otherwise known as the dark side of the fandom

>>43183610
>If that was the only appeal MLP had then we wouldn't be here
Wrong

>>43183360
UNF, I want to fuck twily's rump

>>43183610
>G4 is already high fantasy
Eh, it is a fantasy setting but it spends a lot of time in the mundane which is part of what I like about it, it just (at least at the best of times) doesn't let the mundane feel exactly like our world.
>If that aligned with corporate goals then that's great.
Well then, like I said, the line between 'pure heartfelt expression' and corporate product isn't as clear as you made it out to be. You're fine with corporate mandates so long as you like the result, you're just upset because G5 ended up not matching your expectations, whether that's due to corporate mishandling or differing creative goals or both.

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>>43183623
>You're fine with corporate mandates so long as you like the result
So long as it doesn't interfere with the quality of the show. If they can build a compelling world that is modern day, which they did, then that is good.

If it is to cut a movie down to 90 minutes destroying pacing and continuity then it is bad.
If it is pivoting the audience to 4 year olds so we can't have good character development or interest plots then that is bad.

Working within constraints and still producing something good is genuine soul. Spiderman TAS is the ur-example of that.

G5 could have been great, and a good chunk of what we got in the movie was great. Because the people making it cared.

the fuck are you guys talking about?

How come there's no Cheese Sandwich option?

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>>43183640
There's no genuine Cheeseheads, get real.

>>43183639
ponies what do you think

>>43183644
:(

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This show is vulgar.

>>43183669
>Twi butt shake
unf

>>43183639
Two pseudointellectuals argue over the writing quality of goo goo gah gah baby show for babies about magic talking pastel ponies.
Hilarity ensues.

>>43183685
Correction, more than two. I dropped out like halfway through and some other anon took my place.

rape and murder every shitposter and everyone who likes what I dislike (almost everything). I will not answer as to what I like/dislike so don't bother asking or answering for me, as so fucking many of you like to do for some reason.

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I want to jizzle inside Drizzle.
That's it. That's what I have in my mind.

>>43183451
Too poor for the pedoproxy, I assume.

>>43183696
That's even funnier

I think the anon who rejects Molestia, at the end of last thread, is based and ponypilled

>"Celestia 'canonically' mind rapes ponies because she could, theoretically, mind rape ponies. It just makes sense you know."
Why are people like this?

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>>43183998

>>43183998
They are twisted and evil. Ponies are pure and like hanging out with their friends and doing not evil things. People can't stop injecting human societal problems into a setting that doesn't have them because they can't fathom a place without it.

>>43184041
'Scuse you, I'm on them threefold

Ponies (mares) also like having sex with me

>>43184208
this but your mom

Ponies (mares) don't like having sex with me. They don't dislike it either it's just that I've never had sex with a pony so they have no opinion on the matter.

>>43183360
The only pony I will have sex with is Luna because she is my wife

I wish I had friends.

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>>43184158
>human problems
When the hell did we get psychic abilities? I should be telekinetically hugging my filly right now!

>>43184158
The show's entire premise is a group of friends dealing with realistic, human scale interpersonal conflicts. I don't know where you get this stuff from.

The setting doesn't have corruption issues because the ruler is a mythical, immortal philosopher-queen. Not because ponies aren't capable of corruption.

>>43184412
Good news! You're going to go on an adventure and make friends at some point.

>>43184537
What's the real life version of Ponyville and Canterlot?

>>43184544
Well that's Izzy so those aren't really the relevant locations.

>>43183998
Huh?

>>43184748
What?

>>43183775
Molestia is based and ponypilled

>>43184759
can you repeat the question?

>>43184947
Wazzat?

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Horsefucking is Aryan culture. Big H would approve of this board

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Used to be here back in like 2015, haven't visited in a hot minute. I watched a good portion of FiM but I dropped it around S6, I've been rewatching it recently and I'm wondering if I should bother watching the rest of the seasons - I hear post S6 that the show ended up being written by bronies which led to an "inmates running the asylum" issue by the end, but I've still heard some good things about it. Is it worth giving the rest of the show a shot, or is it something I should watch with friends to riff on to get through? Either way I WOULD like to get through the rest of the show since I never finished it proper.

Have a Ponk as compensation for the tl;dr.

>>43185312
I'd say watch until you stop having fun, that's what I'm doing. If you find an episode to be extremely boring and need to get through it via bullshitting with buds then do that but you never know, you might really like a random episode that nobody else gives a shit about.

>>43185312
Everything is better with friends, Anon. Unless you want to seriously analyze the show, watch it with friends. You'll have a better time.

>>43185333
>Unless you want to seriously analyze the show
Lol
Lmao

>>43185333
I used to think this but now I find doing things with friends exhausting

given a roomful of all the posters in this thread and a sock with a rock, i'd end up with blood everywhere or dead

>>43185831
Nuh uh. I'll hug the shit out of ya bitch.

>>43185831
That seems overly dramatic.

>>43185838
gay

>>43185909
mlp:fim if it was good

>>43185909
Ah yes, Sparkleponies. What a concept.

>>43185909
HOLY KINO

>>43185909
:uncomfy:

>>43185312
>I hear post S6 that the show ended up being written by bronies which led to an "inmates running the asylum" issue by the end
not really bronies, more like hacks who were too aware of their adult audience

>>43185909
Boy that thumbnail sure looks like something else

>>43185312
The old staff were very much bronies themselves in their enthusiasm, even if contractually obligated to keep it mostly under wraps. The loss of direction from Renzetti, Faust, and McCarthy is what really left them floundering into fanfiction.

>>43185312
You can always join the anniversary stream this year

>>43185909
I get the idea behind each of the mane six being a color of the rainbow. However, it looks strange and off and as such I must call it niggerlicious.

>>43186304
McCarthy literally pandered to bronies and fanfiction that's why s4 is the reddit season. The show returned to form for a short while after she left to work on the movie, then she finishes the hollywood slop movie and the show coincidentally drops in quality again hmmmmmmm.

>>43186386
g4 s4 is k!no sovl

>>43186386
McCarthy stopped writing for the show after season 4, she was supposed to work on season 5 but left to write the film. She only returned to the show for season 8-9 as co-executive producer. Yes I know she's credited for writing episodes in season 5 and 6 but other sources says she left the show to work on the film full time. Jayson Thiessen also never returned after the season 5 finale. So I would say after season 5 most of the old guard had left or were not as involved as before.

>>43186386
What pandering? All she did was weakly carry on the princess twilight story line from s3 that she was left with.
>returned to form
With the cutie map? Ha, sure.

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youtube poops are criminally underrated IMO

>>43186304
McCarthy IS the loss of direction.
>flanderizes the shit out of Twilight
>here's evil dark bloo- love sucking creatures for the mature audience
>bronies love Q so we're bringing back Q permanently!
>bronies love Twixie fanfiction so let's retcon Trixie
>WINGS Yes, everything is just going to be fine!
>wouldn't it be so random if AJ and Pinkie were related? woops that makes Big Mac and Marble awkward lmao
>heard you like capeshit it's all the rage nowadays
>what if Daring Do was real teehee
>Pinkie has a new sister isn't that so cool?
>what if we make breezies ugly unlikeable cunts teehee
>heard you like DBZ, fuck magic just shoot le epic lasers
This bitch deserves to be burned at the stake.

>>43186639
Forgot to add
>the treehouse is lame as shit, here's a toy castle instead for our winged princess.

>>43186639
>>what if Daring Do was real teehee
This one was neat and you can't convince me otherwise.
>>what if we make breezies ugly unlikeable cunts teehee
Not as neat, but justified. Fairies IRL are like that.

>see cute derpy plushie on derpibooru
>check it out since it makes my heart warm
>going on sale on everfree
>check source out
>13 years ago
fml

>>43186386
That might explain why season 5 is peak

>>43185312
Would bronies really come up with an idea as shit as the school of friendship?

>>43186639
>WINGS Yes, everything is just going to be fine!
Wings were not McCarthy's idea. Larson wrote that episode under the impression it was the end of the show and there would be no more episodes. After Larson summitted his locked in script Hasbro announced that there would be a season 4 and also heavily altered Larson's original story.

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>>43186639
>>43186480
>>43186386
>>43186715
It's all so tiresome.

>>43186639
>flanderizes the shit out of Twilight
Arguably started in season 2. Not McCarthy's fault.
>here's evil dark bloo- love sucking creatures for the mature audience
Established in season 2. Has direction. Babyish opinion.
>bronies love Q so we're bringing back Q permanently!
Discord was ok in McCarthy's era. He was became insufferable after her.
>let's retcon Trixie
It's not a retcon because you hate the logical direction.
>Pinkie has a new sister isn't that so cool?
Not pandering, but a time that they should have pandered harder with Lime and Marb.
>wouldn't it be so random if AJ and Pinkie were related?
>heard you like capeshit
>what if we make breezies ugly unlikeable cunts teehee
>heard you like DBZ, fuck magic just shoot le epic lasers
Reddit hipster opinions.

It's not that serious.

>>43187187
It's pretty freaking serious.

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nothing could be more serious than colourful magic ponies with emotional depth.

>>43187284
your mom is pretty serious so you're wrong

>>43186639
>bronies love Twixie fanfiction so let's retcon Trixie
Trixie was never retconned, that's just who she is, she's always been a hateful and spiteful cunt.

>>43187294
>she's always been a hateful and spiteful cunt.
But enough about you,

>>43187296
>no argument
typical of trixiefags

>>43186611
Not even diminutive horses are safe from bean face, wow

I didn't watch FiM when it came out so I bust a gut laughing at the line
>"Ponyville was built by the Earth Ponies"
because "Eath Pony" seemed so disconnected from everything else so far that I assumed was a really unsubtle parody of something and not what they would be calling non-pegasi/unicorns/alicorns going forward.

>>43187461
I do wonder if they could've come up with a different term for it.

>>43187467
Would've been nice. The Earth Ponies are the weakest part of the worldbuilding imo. Especially since they're just... ponies. Later seasons gave them super strength but they didn't have shit in the early seasons.

>>43187461
Earth pony are basically the peasant class, pegasi are the warriors, and unicorns are the nobles. They all serve the kings: the alicorns.

>>43187467
Best I could come up with in a pinch is Epona from the celts (using Eponine for plurals)
Honestly Earth Ponies were kinda shafted, there aren't really any good names for a group of regular horses that don't stand out strangely from the other races

>>43187467
There's nothing wrong with earth beyond people forgetting that it's just a word for rock and soil because they imagine the planet destination instead. It's no different from Avatar's earth nation, only the classical elements aren't waving a neon sign in your face to override the planet Earth association.
>>43187475
Disagree, but anyway you're going to adore g5.

Filli Vanilli is a good episode in a bad season.
Ponk is on her worst behaviour in it thoughever.

>>43187467
If they made them more physically varied they could maybe be significantly bigger than the others like Clydesdales, but that might be counter intuitive to them being little ponies

>>43187475
they always had a special connection to the land since the first pitch.
I figure putting a pegasus in charge of a farm would go about as well as putting a unicorn in charge of the weater.
it's okay for these things to be subtle, anon.

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>>43187638
>I figure putting a pegasus in charge of a farm would go about as well as putting a unicorn in charge of the weater.
Uh huh.

>>43183360
I still think about poines form time to time, and hate the fact I like the show so much, I want off Mr bones ride

>>43187556
I do like the Epona idea, even though most people watching would think it's a Zelda reference. It sounds cooler.

>>43187642
not my fault if the later writers fucked up

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>>43187667
Faust fucked it up.

>>43187669
in the OG pitch unicorns were supposed to have certain spells they were good at. twilight was special because her special talent is magic, so she can do all spells.

this got lost somewhere along the way, probably because twilight is the one we largely see doing magic, rarity isn't particularly interested in the subject

>>43187667
She's from season two.
>>43187669
I find this especially funny because people usually think it's just a dumb animation gag that ruins the episode but the original idea for the episode makes it clear that you're supposed to understand that Twilight's magic makes simple mudpony farmers completely obsolete.

>>43187674
by season two they had already started replacing writers I'm pretty sure

LPS: World of Our Own got massively overhated and underappreciated just because it wasn't LPS (2012).

>>43187671
Rarity is only interested in magic to support her dress making, like finding gems because she's a greedy little shit

>>43187475
That's why I think plant magic is cool as fuck and one I thing give G5 a pass

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If erfies are bad and boring and uninteresting then why do they do magical things to my dick?

>>43187714
All ponies are good.

>>43187642
you dont know shes good at farming

>>43187731
True, I suppose she could be a total fuckup.

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I wish I could smoosh tempest's face and call her a cute little pony wony so she'd fry me half to death with unstable magic too

it's not fair, it should have been me.

I wish I could Anon's face and call him a cute little pony wony so he'd fry me half to death with autistic magic too

it's not fair, it should have been me.

I wish I could cum inside Rainbow Dash.

I wish Rainbow Dash could cum inside me with her marecock.

I wish I could and was am to the and the next day would and also can be like the last time which was very good at the time and is good but could use a time like tomorrow to be more like easy to make and be more like.

I wish I could not be able to do it for a while to get the latest flash player is required for video playback is unavailable right now because this video is not available for remote playback is unavailable right now because this video is not available for remote playback is unavailable right now because.

am I having a stroke?

>>43188028
>Chat
Shut the fuck up.

@grok can you tell the anon above me to cool his jets thanks

>>43187792
I don't know, I have complicated feelings about this idea. It looks like using her magic hurts her real bad. And if we're going to playfully (?) get hurt anyway, why can't we just beat each other up like normal people?

>>43183360
I HATE IT WHEN THE FANDOM ARE BEING MEAN TO SPIKE.... GRRRRRRRR...........

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Come on, anons! Who here likes to party?

>>43186639
Oh, yeah, becayse seasons 1 and 2 were the definition of direction. Remember all those early concepts that are introduced in one episode only to be dropped and/or were inconistent as fuck, like the ponies' control over nature or anything dragon related? Remember how Gilda and the teen dragons' sole purpose of existence was for Faust to hate on people who dislike girly things just because they're girly, ironically in episodes that accidentally portray girly things negatively? Remember how the very show started with no overarching plot? CLEARLY McCarthy ruined the direction that TOTALLY existed in the beginning.

>>43188059
Oh, she could probably break a few bones too~ Just imagine....

It's a shame she only really has two action scenes, cause I don't think we ever see any martial arts in the show. I mean, it's not that kind of show so that's fair.

>>43187572
>(You)'re going to adore g5.
No thanks.

>>43187638
I get that. Hearth's warming even (sort of) supports it too. I just think it's stupid for unicorns and pegasi to be unable to grow shit. I'd rather make the earth ponies more capable than make the other races more retarded.

>>43188763
There does need to be normal everyday ponies to make it more appealing. Giving them super strength or magic kinda defeats the purpose I think. Subtlety is the way.

I love Izzy and Sunny so much.

>>43188429
Aww hell nah I went to Niggaquestria by accident

>>43188500
You're right, there was never really any clear direction. It was basically just cute ponies doing cute things, no narrative, no character arcs (there's only one instance of growth I can think of in the early seasons and that's Dashie getting over her insecurity to perform well), cartoon characters act silly and the day resets at the end and they act silly again the next day, that was the status quo.

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https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43188108/#q43188115
>FiM was always shit and the only reason anyone is here is because of the community. Unless they were one of the actual autistic kids that collected mlp figures from way back when.

>>43189054
Actually FiM was fun and I enjoyed and enjoy watching it. It was never perfect by any means but season 1 is really charming and season 2 is well-executed.

>>43189054
What's up with the nigger and the "True..." under it? I've seen it several times.

>>43189095
It's either Twitter bullshit or Sharty bullshit, I'm not privy to the exact origin.

>>43189054
I think the show was at its peak around the mid seasons.

>>43189104
Not the Anon you replied to, but I agree.
Season 5 was probably the best, and then 2nd-4th place is some arrangement of Seasons 6, 7, and 2.
Granted that could change when I finally rewatch the show, but from what I remember that's how I'd place things.

>>43189054
What's with the influx of frognigger threads?

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>>43189149
nothing wrong with frogchad threads

>>43189163
I'm starting to think that one guy was right. This thread is a sharty hovel.

>>43189168
sunfag is just calling anything he doesn't like sharty so take your meds schizo.

>>43189173
Oh, it's you.
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43173403/#43173417_1
Mind explaining this? Why are you a frognigger?

^ schizo ^

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>>43189054
>>43189104
>>43189126
Season 1 is magical. Absolute perfection. The unused S1 scripts that were leaked in the big leak were incredible too. I really wish they would have been made. The "shambi" script in particular pre-empted the entire troon culture war issue perfectly.

Season 2 was really uneven, and I stopped watching after Season 3 because the spark had gone out of it. I can't say if Season 5 is good but there is just no way it can match up to S1.

It's got that special mix of Star Trek-esque morality plays and fairly mature character episodes, with fun genre adventures and interesting worldbuilding. Season 1 really is like one of the better TNG seasons but with adorable magical ponies instead. It's a special feeling.

I feel like both characterization and worldbuilding slid heavily after the first seasons, even 2 and 3 have a lot of character-assassination episodes and botched messaging due to new writers who didn't bother to research properly, e.g. Mare-do-well boiling down to "bitch thinks shes something and needs to be taken down a peg." wtf is that shit? manehattan being turned into a modern city etc.

People who claim it was always about the community completely ignore why that community formed in the first place. If it was just about cute ponies doing cute things then there could have easily been a community around G3, but there wasn't, G3 sucked precisely because it was just that.

>>43188500
overarching plot in episodic series is a crutch for bad writers. go write a movie or a novel instead. Shows all suck now because they're just 8 hour long movies with somehow less plot than a single episode from a good show, and cut down to tiny little pieces that make them a chore to watch.

>>43188973
every character has a dedicated breakdown/meltdown episode in season 1 that explores their insecurities and personality flaws.
except for twilight I guess since she gets hers right at the start of season 2 instead.

>>43189205
>The "shambi" script in particular pre-empted the entire troon culture war issue perfectly.
Never heard of this. Explain, pl0x?

>>43189192
It's a simple question.

>>43189209
can't find the script rn because google useless, it's probably in the board archives somewhere but those are even worse to search

tl;dr a lost pony gets taken in by some sentient deer, integrates into their society and begins dressing up in fake antlers, his name is "shambi" (lol)

but it turns out he can't leap like the deer do so he can't participate in their dances very well. the deer in turn pretend like he can to make him feel better. I wish I could remember their exact exchange because it really is the entire culture war boiled down to two sentences.

the turning point of the episode is when rainbow dash and pinkie pie butt heads over whether telling him the truth or protecting his feelings are more important.

the resolution ends up being that he stops pretending to be a deer but still lives with the deer because they are his adoptive family

>>43186706
I would

>>43189205
You can't even explain why S1 is superior other than because it's special AKA nostalgia.

>>43189304
you can kiss my nuts

>>43189205
Dashie was the only one with any development that impacts her character, we see her insecurity in Fall Weather Friends how she's willing to cheat to feel superior over another competitor, then it's resolved in Sonic Rainboom. No other m6 has that treatment, Dashie was the only one with any growth.

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>>43189335
Fact checked: FALSE

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>>43189335
Resolving all of their issues perfectly isn't needed for it to be good anon. In fact it would be harmful to the show because half of it is predicated on them having and overcoming interpersonal issues.

You need to let go of this "character development must happen or it's not a good story" and "there must be an overarching plot with stakes" stuff. Recognize that each episode is a standalone story, and those stories are individually compelling and have emotional and thematic depth transcendent of typical kid-slop and that's why we like it as adults.

>>43189335
>Dashie was the only one with any development that impacts her character
lol, lmao even.

>>43189275
you can't even read the whole post.

>>43189350
Family Guy is more your speed, friend.

>>43189355
But family guy is immature, violent, and ugly, and unfunny. The opposite of FiM.

I only wish Twilight's personality wasn't neutered after ~S3. They must have gotten capital-N Notes from Hasbro about Twilight's behaviour going forward now that she's a (((princess))).

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>>43189359
>Family Guy isn't funny
Then explain all the funny moments compilations.

>>43189205
Season 1 was kind of funny, since it started with the characters about 75% of the way through their character arcs. Imo, there just wasn't much character growth to be had. Which only left the plot to pick up the slack, but the show wasn't going to be a serialized adventure series. I'm not really surprised that the show started floundering as early as season 2 and really tanked by season 4. The production issues didn't help either.

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>>43189375
bit of a think right there

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>>43189350
First season was created without any expectation of a second season. Dashie was the only one with a complete arc so to speak. It's obvious Faust liked Dash more than the others and she was okay with the show ending on that note.

>>43189371
I remember reading something about writers being unsure what to do with her because the only episode they watched as reference was lesson zero. Making her the responsible leader was probably just something they defaulted to, to avoid having to deal with their impression of her being a huge cunt?

And then whenever they don't know what to do with her dramatically they just have her lose faith in her friends again, like they did in the movie.

>>43189388
>First season was created without any expectation of a second season.
Don't know where you got this from. I'm sure they were uncertain about how successful it would be and whether it would get renewed, that always happens with new shows, but it's unreasonable to say it was created as a one-season affair. It was probably created to be an open ended template for ongoing stories.

>>43189403
Perhaps they began with the sitcom route just in case the show bombed, no point in setting up future arcs if no one is interested right.

>>43189417
episodic =/= sitcom
it was meant to alternate between "adventure" and "relationship" episodes, which it does.

>>43189244
>the turning point of the episode is when rainbow dash and pinkie pie butt heads over whether telling him the truth or protecting his feelings are more important.
Why RD and Pinkie? This sounds more like an argument that should involve AJ.

>>43189423
Why isn't s1 a sitcom? Other than Dashie you can swap the episodes in any order and nothing changes.

Nostalgiafags are insufferable.

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>>43189335
>>43188973
>>43189388
>Dashie was the only one with any development that impacts her character,
What about AJ learning to be more accepting of help from her friends? We see payoff for that lesson by SSCS and Bats!, and she never even repeats the lesson. Fluttershy was going pretty good too.
>then it's resolved in Sonic Rainboom
No it's not, she falls right back into the same behavior again in S2 with mare do well.
>No other m6 has that treatment, Dashie was the only one with any growth.
>Dashie was the only one with a complete arc so to speak.
Ah, so this is just more dashfag cope to ignore her having the worst personality and the least amount of development over the seasons next to Pinkie Pie.

>>43189437
>translation: S-STOP HAVING STANDARDS! Y-YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CONSOOOOOOOOM LIKE I DO!
Lolno

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>>43189435
imagine being this brain-fried by modern shows....
that just means it's episodic, not that it's a sitcom.
it is in fact an adventure show. the working title was even "MLP Adventures"

>>43189431
RD and AJ would both want to tell him the truth. pinkie is concerned about protecting his feelings, RD is concerned about him not living up to his potential iirc.

>>43189457
>What about AJ learning to be more accepting of help from her friends? We see payoff for that lesson by SSCS and Bats!, and she never even repeats the lesson. Fluttershy was going pretty good too.
I was gonna say that but I think they meant in a single season

>>43189470
But there's no further instances in S1 to show that she really learned the lesson though, that's stupid. Most of them had lessons they learned in season 1, so just about all of them had growth by this metric.

>>43189435
>Other than Dashie you can swap the episodes in any order and nothing changes.
Dash is exactly the same in personality at the end and the beginning.

>>43189463
nta but I powered through the first season because I thought the ponies were very cute, I love the art style and that was enough for me to give the show a chance. I didn't think the writing was particularly any good until s2 and later.

>>43189463
Whenever your "standards" are challenged, you change them and whenever you're called out you pretend you're a different anon. (Sure, dude, haven't seen your kind in similardebates in non-anonymous sites.) Your true standards are:
>"Early seasons were le gud."
You're not fooling anyone.

>>43189479
It only really counts as growth if a subsequent episode shows that character has grown. Yes every episode has a lesson tacked onto it by design, but most of them are trivial non-issues that are never brought up again.

Think about it this way, would it change the character in any way if the episode was completely removed? You can essentially do that for almost every season 1 episode, almost none of them are critical to knowing the characters, not even their cutie mark backstories tell us anything substantial about their characters other than superficial things like who their parents are.

>>43189542
>It only really counts as growth if a subsequent episode shows that character has grown
Yea, that's kinda my point. It's pretty questionable to say only Dash has any development when subsequent episodes don't really have her acting any differently, and plenty of the other characters do have episodes that permanently alter the way they act going forward anyway, so it's just completely in accurate regardless. It's basically just dashfags applauding Dash doing the same thing as everyone else and acting like she's special for it.

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I love seasons 1 and 2!

>>43189554
There's a direct connection between Fall Weather Friends and Sonic Rainboom. No other m6 has anything close to that.

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>>43189542
do you get off on lying or something?
without party of one pinkie is just an annoying loon
without rainboom RD is just a boisterous asshat
without applebuck season AJ is just a farm girl
without suited for success rarity is just a posh fashionista
without best night ever fluttershy is just a timid wallflower

without season 1 spending multiple episodes on fleshing them out individually there is no mane 6, just a bunch of colourful stereotypes.

>it doesn't count if a subsequent episode shows they've grown
it does, actually. like I said, if they just perfectly overcame their flaws in the very first episode that dealt with them, there wouldn't even be a show, since half of the show is predicated on them having and then overcoming interpersonal issues.

it's not a movie, they don't have arcs. it's an episodic show, they have established personality flaws that drive character-based stories. those flaws don't just go away or else there isn't a show.

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>>43189557
>he likes season 2
FAKE FAN DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

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>>43189559
And RD is still obsessed with being winning and being the center of attention even later that season, so it wasn't a complete character arc.
Plus, Look Before You Sleep's climax has AJ admitting fault and asking someone else for help in resolving a situation, which is a direct application of the lesson she learned in Applebuck Season. So again, RD isn't even the only one who can be said to have confirmable character growth, we literally see AJ applying the lessons she's already learned in real time.

Why do people seem to forget that Sonic Rainboom is about RARITY learning a lesson, not Rainbow Dash? It's Rarity who grows in this one, Dash's arc in this episode is being nervous she isn't going to win... and winning anyway because she's too awesome. She isn't the one learning the lesson here, Rarity is, she's even the one who says it at the end instead of Twilight.

>>43189581
episodes can be about more than one thing. dash dealing with performance anxiety undercuts her otherwise boisterous persona, and overcoming it to save her friends is a major character moment for her. yes rarity's conflict is also important in that episode, just like fall weather friends is about AJ as much as it is about RD.

>>43189581
To be fair if Rarity hadn't gotten involved in the first place Rainbow Dash absolutely would've failed. They both have things they could and should learn from that episode.

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oh look, Season 1 still has the emotional and thematic depth to engage page after page of discussion and analysis even 16 fucking years later. It's almost like this show got popular for more than "cute ponies doing cute things." and "fans of the fandom." fancy that.

>>43189584
Rainbow Dash really should have lost the contest desu. That's a much better resolution for her intense aversion to any kind of loss than just having her win. Having her win and get all the praise and accolades kind of undercuts the whole 'there's no need to be so nervous about losing' message. It's easy to say she shouldn't be nervous when she just wins in the end anyway, instead of actually having to deal with losing.

>>43189563
>just a bunch of colourful stereotypes.
That's pretty much what the m6 are though, they became popular because of that simplicity. We have the book horse, tomboy, shy one, drama queen, party girl, and southern farm girl. Western cartoons were just late to the game when the japanese mastered these popular tropes for years. Someone who never watched the show would know 90% of the character just from learning their stereotype alone.

>>43189563
NTA
>without party of one pinkie is just an annoying loon
With it she's still that, but also insecure and literally insane.
>without rainboom RD is just a boisterous asshat
With it she's still that but also insecure.
>without applebuck season AJ is just a farm girl
With it she's just even more of a texan stereotype.
>without suited for success rarity is just a posh fashionista
Doesn't matter because once the episode ends she's back to being the posh fashionista so she can eventually re-subvert her character archetype.
>without best night ever fluttershy is just a timid wallflower
Doesn't matter because once it ends she's back to being a timid wallflower, so she can eventually learn to be more assertive again.

>>43189594
well, I think the intent was that she has the skills to win, and the only reason she would lose is her own insecurity. and ending with a downer of her losing wouldn't be satisfying. I can see your point though.

It's not like every episode is perfect, in fact many of them are pretty flawed. but they're usually flawed in a way that still works with the characters.

>>43189593
>"oh look we are forcing discussions about season 1. Therefore it's good."

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>>43189611
>actually adding nuance to the characters doesn't do anything
???
remember that if you ever find yourself dissecting a post line by line you probably aren't making a point.

>>43189601
they do have appealing stereotypes, yes. but if it was just that they couldn't carry 9 seasons, especially not when many of those seasons are actual slop.

>reddit arrow

>>43189638
>if it was just that they couldn't carry 9 seasons.
I thought that they couldn't do that? Most people seem to agree that the later seasons were shit, and desu I don't think I've seen anyone on this board defend season 8&9. So they are just appealing stereotypes?

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>>43189557
me too, friend.

>>43189645
people still watched them, knowing they were slop
people still watched fucking pony life, and equestria girls, despite those being actual trash
why? because it's more than just appealing stereotypes in a colourful show. it's characters with lasting appeal.
why? because the early seasons put in the legwork to make them appealing beyond their stereotypes.

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>>43189638
Let me guess, you also consider daddy issues to be the epitome of character writing.
If said nuance is completely meaningless and/or is removed instantly, then yes, it doesn't do anything. As much of a meme fountain Pinkie having every mental illness in existence is, it doesn't change the fact that her actions can be annoying. It doesn't matter. As interesting as it might be to see Fluttershy be more assertive, she will go back to being the same timid wallflower as always, so she can go through the same lesson again and again. It doesn't matter.
I am making a point, you're just either stupid, or doing a really good job at pretending to be stupid.

>>43189696
>nuance
"nuance"*

>>43189696
it's not meaningless or removed
those character flaws they get established early on is what continues to make for interesting conflicts throughout the entire rest of the show. It's what keeps them interesting as characters.

actually aren't you arguing for it to be removed? like they just instantly learn from their mistakes and never repeat them, becoming flawless people? that's what you want right? because that's "character development"

>>43189533
>Only one person can prefer the older seasons nobody could EVER dislike my objectively worse nu seasons
Do Habertrannies really?

>>43189800
>rape Twilight back
It's that easy

>>43189802
I think if you're both doing it to eachother at that point it's just consensual sex with a very unhealthy dynamic.

>>43189759
>it's not meaningless or removed
You're in denial.
>those character flaws they get established early on is what continues to make for interesting conflicts throughout the entire rest of the show.
This is only interesting if they attempt to fix their flaws. If they don't or if everything get reset, it is boring.
It's what keeps them interesting as characters.
No, it's what resulted on them becoming stale, or flanderized later on.
>actually aren't you arguing for it to be removed? like they just instantly learn from their mistakes and never repeat them, becoming flawless people? that's what you want right? because that's "character development"
>"Becoming better = Instantly Flawless mary sue. Repetition and stagnancy gud."
Seek help.
If this wasn't about a show you were suffering from nostalgia for, you would shit on all of these things you just wrote.

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>>43189825
You both underestimate just how much I would fuck Twilight, rape or not

Autism: The Thread

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>>43189829
remember what I said about if you catch yourself dissecting a post line by line?

what were you actually trying to say here?

>>43189601
It still cracks me up that the g5 team saw this as a major flaw and attempted to make their mane 5 more complex. Pipp had potential to be a strong stereotype like the m6. The rest of the designs were forgettable or ugly.

>>43189095
That's Morgan Freeman you retard. It was a popular gif on tenor and kind of just spread throughout the internet. Truth Nuke was a right wing conspiracy theory website in 2009 and the modern meme is a satirical usage of the word. The basedjak truth nuke originates from /lgbt/ in 2023.

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If Season 1 hadn't done such a good job of fleshing out the worldbuilding and characters, if it hadn't tried to tackle more mature themes on top of fun adventures, there would be no phenomenon. It'd just be another kid's show, and we wouldn't be here.

Season 1 is the bedrock for everything else.

>>43189844
I will not tolerate a single cross word about my homegirl Izzy.

The G5 cast is fantastic, they do have the emotional depth to carry a fanbase and a show with tons of interesting stories. They're also very different from G4, they set themselves apart as something novel. They're the product of someone who genuinely understood the core appeal of the previous generation while also understanding the importance of making something new and fresh.

They just never had the chance to get developed the way that FiM Season 1 did for the mane 6, since they pretty much only had their movie before the show shat the bed.

It's like if we just had the opening two-parter from FiM to go by.

>>43189772
Faustcucks are the equivalent of diehard Pokemon and Marvel fans. Don't get me wrong, I still have fun with the world of Pokemon, I've played every generation. I just don't consider the gameplay or plot any good, I love training my pokemon teams and imagining being part of the world. Faust accidentally created a wonderful world for us to fantasize about and I applaud her for that. I still think FiM could have become a billion dollar franchise if Hasbro wasn't so retarded, not Pokemon levels but up there, all you really need is a world such as Equestria people want to be a part of.

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I still think G5 could easily have been even better than G4 if handled with care. I do wonder what the series Boulder Media was working on before getting sold off would have looked like.

>>43189872
Do you think Pokemon would have been as big as it is without the anime? It's almost a perfect parallel to FiM, since Takeshi Shudo also worked hard to make compelling characters, world-building, and handle mature themes in the early seasons of the pokemon anime and the first couple of movies. Also with the same conviction than children are more intelligent than we give them credit for.

>>43189865
>fleshing out the worldbuilding and characters
Explain.
>if it hadn't tried to tackle more mature themes on top of fun adventures
EXPLAIN.

>>43189872
>Newer Pokémon games suck and only retards like them
>Newer pony seasons suck and only retards like them
Wow what a revelation. You truly are a genius.

>>43189881
franchise tribalism is unfortunately the sad reality we have to live with.

>>43189876
The Pokemon anime went way harder than s1 ever did, it's more comparable to the mid seasons.

>>43189884
There is absolutely nothing wrong with tribalism, especially online.

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>>43189894
Here, have a Celestia hug. Get well soon.

>>43189881
>strawman out of nowhere
I didn't say anything about new or old and I disagree, B&W 1&2 are still my favorites.

>>43189899
>Can't even name a single thing wrong with tribalism
Thought so.
>>43189903
>S-strawman!
Concession accepted.
>B&W 1&2 are still my favorites.
You already said you have shit taste you don't have to repeat yourself.

>>43189903
BW game and anime both seem like the last time they actually tried to give a shit. Very flawed execution, but good intention at least.

>>43189912
>Can't even name a single thing wrong with tribalism
for example, consuming everything related to a franchise no matter how far it falls from grace?
pretending like bad parts of a franchise are actually good just because it's in the franchise?

>>43189668
Her mane on the first frame is perfect.

>>43189917
Okay but every piece of media is going to have blind consoomers. That's an unfortunate reality. I'm talking about tribalism as in "fans who have standards" vs "fans who do not".

>>43189928
they aren't blind, they're tribalists, they feel they have to engage fully and uncritically to be part of the franchise tribe.

>>43189876
Well, I guess one major difference from FiM is Shudo stayed on as lead creative director for the anime until his untimely death, whereas Faust bailed before S1 was even done.

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>>43189865
I was very close to not lumping Izzy into the bad. She is the most likeable personality of g5 and cute, but since I was comparing the strong stereotypes of g4, I'm afraid Izzy just can't compete with Pinkie Pie as the cloud cuckoo lander, and her manestyle/silhouette is less iconic than even some g4 background ponies. Sorry Izzybro for being critical.

>>43189973
That's the thing, she's not a "cloud cuckoo lander", she's an outcast who uses manic cheerful optimism to mask her crippling loneliness.

Pinkie is just pretending to be retarded most of the time.

>>43189879
The mature themes thing is kind of a meme, but I will give FiM a lot of credit for properly spongebobbing their characters. That is to say, making them technically adults with jobs and responsibilities, but also giving them believable character traits and problems that resonate well with children. I strongly believe that walking that line successfully is what gives FiM and Spongebob their extremely wide and consistent appeal.

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>>43189979
tomato tomato

Holy fuck this thread is insufferable, you guys lost all your fun.

>>43190007
This is what happens when you talk about the show

>>43190007
we've got molestia and twilight double rape, looks fun to me

>>43189802
>>43189834
Why were the posts deleted? No more rape? :(

>>43189840
Remember what I said about you either being stupid or pretending to be stupid? Guess I got my answer.

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>>43190007
Fun is nothing but a buzzword.

So you like ponies, huh? Name 467,382.

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when you find a new artist to dislike

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>>43190146

>>43190146
Lord Titrack

>>43183363
i hate jumbo Don i hope he rots and expires

>>43190146
Magic is stored in the boobs.

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>>43189631
>oh sounds interesting maybe I'll SIX AND A HALF HOURS??????????

>>43183363
Jumbo Don is my friend and so he will live for a long time.

>>43189557
I enjoy the show at large

>>43189973
Tjats okay
G5 fucking sucks lol

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>>43190284
I like ponies both in the show and in fanworks!

>>43190205
>SIX AND A HALF HOURS
And not a single point in it matters.

>>43190302
When a video like that is hours long it's inevitably just a let's watch that meanders and comments """wittily""" on every single thing that happens. There are very few topics that justify hours-long dissection in that format.

No one making these multi-page long arguments about the show's quality or lack thereof could hang with anything actually cerebral.
You curse each other out over your imagined depth the pastel ponies have because the pastel ponies are all you can intellectually handle.