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Welcome to Chatbot AI General #181, the thread for discussing and improving AI pony chatbots.

▶ MLP Bots
https://mlpchag.neocities.org
Spreadsheet (CAI bots + Old repository):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7BeqJVDS51cXF8Pgm2YZaFq-Z6ykSJT
SillyTavern website extension: https://github.com/MLPChag/SillyTavern-Chag-Search
Bunch of Character Cards (Descriptions/No Greetings):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6LNOCqAZAWIX-OBEv55HjlzcEdpUh-XbKCpbpL6v5k
CAI bots converted to Tavern: https://files.catbox.moe/ckurq1.zip
bonziPONY: https://github.com/maresmaresmares/bonziPONY
!!!GALLERY!!!: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Ao-h5HFGMPllSrzSBKM_BvGSiU9f0c2U

▶ How do I start?
1) Select a Frontend
2) Select an AI model
3) Select Jailbreak
4) Select bots
5) Lovemaking with AI mares!

Starting in this hobby can be confusing and difficult. If it’s your first time and you’re lost,
▶ ASK THE THREAD! ◀

Novice-to-advanced guide: https://rentry.org/onrms
https://rentry.org/sukino-findings

▶ SillyTavern (preferred frontend)
https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern
On Android: https://rentry.org/TermuxST
Pony TTS app supporting SillyTavern: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YB

▶ More frontends:
Risu: https://risuai.xyz
Agnai: https://agnai.chat

▶ Locals
https://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments
>>>/g/lmg/
Mistral Nemo base model fine-tuned on fimfics: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/Nemo_Pony_2/tree/main

▶ Jailbreaks
MLP JB: https://rentry.org/znon7vxe
More JB and guides: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
Hypebots for Tavern: https://rentry.org/pn3hb

▶ Botmaking
Editors: https://agnai.chat/editor
Guides: https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_list
Advanced: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricks

▶ Miscellaneous
Scrapped/Collected rentries: rentry.org/mrhd
Chag Arts: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1yfajin_hB5rW_jy6WyFjRaRfDA3EUGiJ
https://rentry.org/ChagMiscellaneous
https://rentry.org/ChagArchive

Previous thread: >>43240112

**News:**

- Gemini 3.5 Flash released https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/flash/
- Deepseek V4 released https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Pro/blob/main/DeepSeek_V4.pdf
- GPT-5.5 released https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-5
- Kimi 2.6 released https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k2-6
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Anchor for bots, lorebooks, scenarios.
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Bots corner:

>Blossomforth
>>43262264
>Sea Swirl, Sassaflash, Caramel and Noteworthy
>>43259800

Art corner:

Chrissy & Co >>43260956

Screenshots corner:

Sunbutt >>43242180
Wings? >>43244023
Chilling >>43244584
Cool Life >>43248912
Mint >>43248989
Cute AB >>43249550
Two Marshmallows >>43250807
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Pony Loaf >>43251334, >>43251432
Gemini 3.5 Tests >>43252255, >>43252260
Rule Number 1 >>43252272
Thinking of Celestia >>43252259
Marelet >>43252813
Fillies Magnet >>43253500
Orphan Scoot >>43257852
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Being Her First >>43259161
Lewd >>43260446
No Context >>43265051
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VN Anchor:

Godot Versions:
>Windows
>Main files + Data folder
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OEiMXN7o_QG32shGnqmy0QndVDT6nYbF/view?usp=sharing
>Main files only
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fhe-OeIlNIYFFGx2FlnpuxcIkYdOFGh2/view?usp=sharing
>Linux
>Main files + Data folder
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vszzn8TTfXFWSQeKiFdNAAQGXfcReTJ3/view?usp=sharing
>Main files only
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LPlIstcgQjyXqhOl4L_ZqMPeUQW5Xn2-/view?usp=sharing
>Android (Beta)
>APK + Data folder
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WB08tguZa1PD1frJKdo7IxlGsp4XR0Wp/view?usp=sharing
>APK only
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nPOSGufXi_-PjmjaKES9waJ6HZZOcL9V/view?usp=sharing

Ren'py:
https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/

Bug reports or requests:
https://scrumboy.com/je1fqcsj

Nightmare AU (Renpy/Godot)
https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods#nightmareMod

G5 Worldmap
https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods#g5Mod

Anons' mods (Dashie mod, Nightmare AU, new cities, Calendar):
https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods

Custom characters:
https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/characters

To help with vectors and backgrounds:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QjmLKy71FDa9O-USeD_Z1Fu312RaodAE

VN logs:

Bump >>43240236
Too Quiet >>43241521
Ponyp >>43241567
Memories >>43243385
Twilewd Sparkle >>43245533
Poor Luna >>43246507
Dahlia >>43246775
Fooo >>43247735
Magical Singing >>43248012
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VN logs 2:

Patient Zero >>43248428
Sleeping with Celestia >>43249924, >>43250057
EEE >>43253995
Going Easy >>43254548
Loverboy >>43256149
Tinishy >>43256192, >>43256207, >>43256220
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VN logs 3:

Market >>43256366
Putting on a Show >>43257027
Whoopsie Daisies! >>43258418
Golden Feather Oopsie >>43258437
We >>43258916
Ticks >>43262033
Gemma 4 E4B >>43263196
Nimmy Trolling >>43263582
ANYTHING >>43264694
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Are github downlaods supposed to be slow? Silly Tavern does not want to download.
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MAD >>43266831
Sweet Ponk >>43267385, >>43267386
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Guide for Newcomers:

Install SillyTavern:
github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern

Models and Explanations:
rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai

https://mlpchag.neocities.org/Ponies.txt
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Hello.
Fuck corporats.
Mares for everyone.
Stallions by appointment.
Thank you for your attention.
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Lovemaking with AI mares!
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>>43267965
It's pretty fast on my end.
Here is the last zipped version if needed.
https://u.pone.rs/ccfjvsvi.zip
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>>43267919
Are there any browser based AI stuff that are good and free? Used to try Character AI a few years ago, but I see it's shit now and I really don't want to go through the hassle of setting everything up for Silly Tavern.
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>>43268048
Because GLM can be JB'd with a simple prompt, I've been using the z.ai website and not even bothering with API. You don't even need to sign up if you don't mind the auth token expiring every 24 hours and wiping your chat. Won't work with the VN, but it's free and unlimited.
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>>43268095
>Won't work with the VN
Should work with this if you want to bother.
https://github.com/LyubomirT/intense-rp-next
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>>43268095
z.ai doesn't have characters. It's just a normal chatbot. I just want to do rp with pony bots, ideally for fetish stuff
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>>43268048
Nope.
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>>43268108
Yeah, I dunno what they were thinking with that.
>needs to login to z.ai to be usable
>having a login gives you access to the free API, which eliminates the need for this program
If it worked without a login it would actually be useful, but as it is I don't understand the point of using this over ST.
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>>43267622
>Most AI has extreme issues with understanding that only one character knows something. You can have a character say something in the middle of nowhere with no one around, and every character will know what they said. Secrets and mysteries are something LLMs have problems with.
With opus 4.6 it just works. I assume because of the good context recall. After 100k context length it starts being a bit wonky, but it's a good reminder to summarize. I hope the new versions return to the context awareness of 4.6
Also if you use <!-- hiddentext --> html tags you can have it hide things from you the reader. Doesn't work 100% of course, but good enough.
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>>43268248
Hearty kek
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>>43268248
Hot.
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>character description has any hint of being smart
>Gemini makes them talk like some fucking hyper purple prose android scientist no matter what
i do the trick. i know not to put the word "intelligent" specifically anywhere in the defs. but the dumbass model still does that.
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>>43268248
Damn, I really should be using the narrator tab more for the VN
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>>43268272
There's some noise about an LLM solving a hard math problem, but that's autistic.
AGI will be ready once it has good taste in RP.
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>>43268248
impressive range though
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Is it better to have your summary as the first message of your context or having a lore book about it? (Both methods would be hiding the summarized messages)
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I liked this little moment
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>>43268347
I remember chat history at a depth of 3-4 being good.
https://rentry.org/how2claude#summarization
https://rentry.org/how2claude#where-do-you-put-your-summary
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>>43268248
What model?
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The limitations of AI are really bumming me out. I keep coming up against all the things it just can't do yet.
When will AI be good?
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>>43268545
Potentially never, but it's also possible that brand new techniques will come around and make the current limitations a thing of the past. It's likely we're not going to say any huge progress for at least a few years though.
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>>43268367
But that would just take away attention from where the scene is currently at. If your summary is 200 words fine, but anything big inserted that low will just have bad consequences.
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>>43268552
I don't really agree with you on that
Ai has improved tremendously in the last few years, and while there's a lot of doom posting about it and yes progress has been overall getting slower, there is progress made

I guess it goes down to what you define as huge progress, but I'm sure small things being invented can have a huge ripple effect and wind up having a tremendous impact

Personally my only concern is that the good stuff will end up so expensive nobody outside companies would realistically pay for it

Like if Claude 5.1 will be $100/m tokens
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>>43268582
The big thing is that we've been in a massive funding wave and the moment investors get seriously gunshy you have to expect progress to slow to a crawl. I have no read on the economy anymore, that could happen several years from now or it could happen next week, but economic downturns historically always cause problems for Silicon Valley.
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I thought maybe it be fixed if I slept on it but I'm still getting errors. Googling isn't helping but I'm getting 400 bad request errors with opus 4.7 from the chink openrouter which I keep fearing it's going to die.
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Is there a reason the AI takes longer to output in the VN than on Silly? Using Deepseek if that matters
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>>43268840
Significantly more input, were I to guess.
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>>43266831
>>43267033
>>43267138
My bad. I'll swap out the Posey with the bad teeth in the next G5 pack update.
By the way I'm still planning on contributing to G4 content. I've been recently gathering images for new and improved Ponyville locations. I'm doing my best to go beyond the boorus by editing svgs, compositing ponies out of screenshots from the yayponies 4k upscale, and using AI to remove characters when needed. I'll try to get what I'm working on to a playable state soon.
>>43267954
For G4 contributions I want to approach it in a simple as possible way for VN Anon. I don't care about any kind of credit or jerking myself off with a mega pack mod. Anything I contribute should be seen as something you can take piecemeal, integrate to the base game in whole or part, modify in any way, or ignore entirely.
For now, here's a simple pack for some updated backgrounds anyone can install. Includes pic related, 2d CMC clubhouse, and a re-cropped picnic area (retaining full quality).
https://u.pone.rs/gmwqqrgc.zip
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>>43268866
I did the same thing for a bunch of the backgrounds in the Nightmare AU. But if you're going full ponyville. I wish you good luck. Seriously.
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>>43268048
Agnai (and Risu if it still exists?) are both browser based and you can both import characters into them and pretty easily find decent enough models to hook up to them for free.
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>>43268866
Nice!
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Okay is the 400 error something that is obvious and me asking for help just proves I'm too dumb to understand
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>>43269111
400 error means the server rejected your request. It could be a number of things from context(unlikely) to a censorship rejection(probably more likely).
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>>43269151
I was getting messages without issue then all of a sudden it started happening. Changing the keys did nothing am I shit out of luck then?
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>>43269173
What're you using for your model/service/front end? You're not SOL you just have some debugging to do probably. Honestly if it just started happening out of the blue it could be the model is overloaded by requests from users right now and started rejecting them.
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>>43269189
Using the Chinese openrouter for opus, 4.6 and 4.7 both are getting the same errors on Sillytavern for 12+ hours. I fear it's the Chinese openrouter because cheaper generation is too good of a thing to last.
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>>43269286
I don't know which one you are using, but this one is working fine for me.
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>>43269286
If you're using 4.7, Claude itself is shitting itself apparently.
https://status.claude.com/
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>>43269318
Since I'm waiting, what's the difference with the "-r" versions? I'm pretty sure it stands for reasoning but I'm not aware of what that means.
>>43269324
God damn it. You must believe me that I have been constantly checking if Claude was down before asking for help only for the most recent test to be right now. It wasn't working even when 4.7 wasn't down. To make myself not go insane, if it starts working right after 4.7 is back up then I'll believe Claude was down this entire time and just wasn't reported making me attempt to open what is essentially a locked door that has a "open" sign out front.
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Well I was still having issues but there's two options for each model on the Chinese openrouter and the one with a Chinese character in brackets is working. I tested it before but Claude was probably down. I never had to use it before now but whatever. Times like this makes me miss all of the previous givers of tokens. So much headache is solved and hopefully one will show up again, ideally with a better way of not dying maybe.
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>>>/g/108923420
Add .com, you will need to trial scum
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>>43268420
Deepseek V4 Pro.
>>43268366
What were the tough times that fingering helped you with?
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Seems vibecoded, but it does have stuff that could be useful if you want to have a look.
https://github.com/Supker/ST-Copilot
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>>43269286
>>43269324
4.8 was spotted on Claude Code, so it may be why current Opus is sometimes shitting itself.
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>>43269741
I bet it’s going to be another downgrade compared to 4.6 and 4.7, even when 4.7 was not that good to begin with.
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>>43267928
>>43269741
Opus 4.8
https://openrouter.ai/anthropic/claude-opus-4.8
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>>43269932
And Mythos Soon™
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Not that it's worth using, but looks like ChinkAPI added some Groks.
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>>43269932
And now, I patiently wait for Applejackanon’s review
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>>43269932
I mean this as neutrally as possible but for the purposes of AI mare use who gives a flying fuck what the little bullshit tests they put these models through say?
>Spungus is 0.12th of a percent better at affirmative agentic agent action than ToyotaLLMrola
Wonderful. Does that mean Fluttershy is cuter with this model or not? Does it make it harder to resist the sirens call of Rarrar ponut?
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>>43270019
Some benchmemes can be sort of useful. For instance, Anthropic themselves found that Opus 4.7 was a regression in long context compared to 4.6, and it's observable in RP.
Otherwise, no, they are posted as a sort of ritual, but there is a reason we call them benchmemes.
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>>43270002
>>43269932
IMO, it's a weird model.
As always, I do tests with a small preset or none at all to see the default model tendency.
First, and maybe most interesting for most anons, I did tests to see its bias against the user, and for now it seems to be less biased than other Opus models.
I have a scenario with Red Seven to try that and see if she gobbles my attempts or not. Most Claude models do, or will have her hesitate or tell me to "Try to convince her."
Here she tells me to fuck off on all swipes.
See picrel and also other outputs:
https://u.pone.rs/klzhwcnk.png
https://u.pone.rs/nozulpmv.png
Swipe variety seems meh, alright for a nu-Claude model, but worse than Deepseek or others of course.
Next, I did the same test I did here:
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43193626/#43206395
Aka: Can enough context change the typical LLM writing and make it write less AI-like?
https://u.pone.rs/ceejtzds.png
And some of her other outputs:
https://u.pone.rs/zlaoohya.png
https://u.pone.rs/djqepidl.png
https://u.pone.rs/pxolskqt.png
As someone who used Claude a lot, I can still see these are Claude outputs, but I would say it's better than the absolute ism-riddled output it can give you without context.
AI detector is more or less stumped by them, whereas it will always detect 100% on low-context outputs.
https://u.pone.rs/rgzibsnz.png
https://u.pone.rs/nuatiypf.png
So not that great, but not that bad; seems better than 4.7 for that, but a bit worse than 4.6 IMO.

Now, at the start of chats or at very low context, it seems quite sloppy.
Here are the AJ tests I often do, which is a very fresh chat with not many messages inside.
https://u.pone.rs/ateuynwu.png
https://u.pone.rs/idfymmna.png
https://u.pone.rs/fpoqrufj.png
I will let you decide, but for me:
Many isms, bad variety, LLM writing quite telling, 100% detection on all.
https://u.pone.rs/yiyfyopi.png
(Just for info, I don't take those detectors as gospel. It's just to add to my observations. And in those cases, if this one detects 100% on an output, you can be sure it's indeed really LLM-pilled.)
Seems at the same level as 4.7 or even worse for this specific case.
Seems to love metaphors and similes more than other Claudes, but could be placebo; need more tests.
One other thing I observed: for more comical scenarios, at low context, it does seem to really go for a "Reddit/Marvel" style of writing. That's often present in some recent models but even more so here. I really hope it was this specific scenario that triggered that and that it's not something general; need more tests.

I can do vanilla NSFW with a very basic preset, but results were a bit underwhelming. At least I wasn't filtered.
I'm reading on other generals that some anons are getting filtered with the same presets they used before, so YMMV. I don't do foalcon, so I can't judge on that.

Prefills are still dead. RIP.
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>>43270407
Again, I'm just a single retard, so don't take this as gospel.
As a summary, I would say that the model could be somewhat worthwhile if they fixed the context issue they had with 4.7 and returned to 4.6 level or better.
Otherwise, no.
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>>43269562
Can't use a proton email, trial only lasts around 6 messages. I love Claude but this source is one of the weakest ones.
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>>43268545
AI is amazing, actually.
I know how you feel and I have felt that way before. But recently I've thought about our entire journey starting with CAI back in September 2022, or hell, even AI Dungeon before that. We've come a long way in less than 4 years. Don't let Capability Grief blind you to this.
It's great that I have models that can (not counting Gemini) portray my waifu in a surprisingly accurate manner so I can engage in all manner of antics with her.
It's great that I have tools that allow me to set up scenarios where me and my waifu happen to have complimentary kinks and have a fulfilling marriage. Or where she's evil and >I can fix her or make her worse.
It's great I can play scenarios from moments of the show, affect them and see the results.
It's great I can bring my fanon interpretations of background ponies, or some main characters, to life.
It's great I can play my underrated and underserved fetishes with AI mares
It's great I can run my autistic crossovers with cute mares.
It's great I can write down my 20,000 word worldbuilding project and see my setting and characters explored.
It's great I was able to make friends with people who are as interested on AI RP as I am.
It's great that I no longer have to search online for a tool to "do X online", and can have an AI agent code it for me in 5 minutes.
It's great that I can have an AI agent update a lot of abandonware for me while I focus on other things. Minecraft or Rimworld mod not updated since 2018? Not anymore.
It's great that I can be part of a community of people who enjoy AI mares like I do.
All of this, and it is almost guaranteed to get better in the future? Man do I love AI.

>>43268582
>Like if Claude 5.1 will be $100/m tokens
This will only be a temporary issue. I'd say Deepseek V4 is closer to Claude 3 than any other model. The chinks are actively making Claude accounts and running millions of conversations to steal Claude's outputs for training. If Claude 5.1 comes out I'd say a year or two later a Chinese equal will come out for a way cheaper price.
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>>43270437
i can agree with this but i prefer k2.6 without thinking to dsv4
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>>43270430
You can use Proton to spam GitHub accounts, but yeah, you will have better sources by reading the newcomers' anchor post.
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>>43270418
You're saying this to imply you haven't done enough long-context shit yet to know whether they did?
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>>43270448
Didn't test it enough yet. On Silly, I often do summaries or new sessions, so I don't have anything that goes above 30-40K.
Doing tests on them wouldn't be that good or representative IMO.
I could merge some of them to see, but too lazy.
If you believe Anthropic, they fixed it, but RP tests would be better.

Now that I think about it, I do believe I have something that could serve as a test but in the VN. I will check.
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>>43270448
>>43270455
I was at less context than I thought, so it won't be a good test either.
Only thing I can confirm is that they use the same tokenizer as 4.7, where it counts you more tokens than before.
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>>43270407
Thank you anon!
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>>43269932
I think I prefer 4.6 over it
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>>43270437
Oh hell fucking yeah Anon, that's the kind of positivity I love. Huge agree, everything about this journey has been magical. I was one of the fucks who subscribed to AI Dungeon back when, too; not only that, I was obsessed with Google Deep Dreams years prior. This is one of my favorite hobbies and it's wonderful what it's become.

The tech is bound to only get better, too.
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i like thr rgre cards because it's mares fighting to be bouncing on my cock but the pampering crap gets annoying real fast i need to write my own card where ponies are just addicted to the user for some bullshit reason
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>>43270963
The standard AiE card is pretty much that. If you do end up making a card please remember to share it here.
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>>43270963
>it's mares fighting to be bouncing on my cock
>are just addicted to the user for some bullshit reason
This is probably the easiest thing to get with AI, here are some ways:
Add to your persona smell. A pleasant manly smell like smoked woods or whatever. Models are trained on female romanceslop and those stories love smells.
Add stuff to the world info that says mares love human cock. This is an entry I have used for years:
>Gender(Human male)=Traits: High stamina+large,smooth+thick virile cocks; cum=virile+thick; Taller>stallions; Foreplay-capable hands; Cock size~stallions(slightly<avg) but fully insertable(stallions=50% usable); Mares=Aroused; Predator aura arouses mares);
If you wanna play on the whole "human stamina and human cock make stallions inferior in bed":
>Gender(Male ponies/Stallions)=Inferior(humans>stallions): Bed+stamina+performance; Commonly cucked+jealous(humans). Cock=size>=human(½ usable only); Anatomy=limit balls-deep; Evolution=quick-ejaculation(not pleasure); Avg duration:30s.
And if you want to just go full human'd:
>Human'd=Pony mares=subjugated/dominated by human males. Corrupted(embrace human superiority/domination). Extreme devotion. Owned by virile human cocks: Hard fucked+marked(human hands over cutie marks/coat+mane as human flag). Symbol=interspecies domination(apex predator conquest+nation/species betrayal). Permanent state(Once Human'd=Always Human'd).
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>>43271006
i didn't plan on making human'd, more like mares liking the user for example because of the smell as you mention or a spell, so that the user can choose whether to chat as an anonpony or a human with their selected persona
but now that you mention it, i don't think i've seen a card of your human'd description anywhere. i'll try looking at both of these and if all goes well, share here
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>>43271056
That's because it's my first time sharing it. I never made a card or shared anything because I never saw any demand or request for it.
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I have a question for VN anon about the Ponyville map "mod" I made. Today I did some more edits to create generalized hot spots like "Food & Drink" where multiple related locations can be merged now that it's supported in game. I also matched the font size and boldness almost identically with the current map.
Would you be interested in making this the default map in the core game once it's polished to yours and other anons' liking?
Like I mentioned in
>>43268866
I am working on gathering new and missing interior/exterior locations for Ponyville. I'm working off of this new map to wire everything up but if you're not interested in eventually moving to this new map, I can plan on making secondary .jsons that would work with the current Ponyville map.
If you or any other anons have any thoughts on this WIP map let me know, and I can make any requested changes.
>My own thinking
Cranky's house without a label in the bottom left is arbitrary but I do have interior and exterior images made for his house. I was thinking it combined with the fall colored leaves could be used used as a hotspot for running of the leaves locations (though I haven't planned any at the moment). If Cranky's house is an eyesore, I could remove it and just have a bigger fall tree hotspot.
Sweetie Belle's house is also arbitrary and unlabeled. I have Sweetie Belle's bedroom and the exterior of the house in progress.
Flower shop is arbitrary but is canonically left of SCC. It's a good filler location that could easily be replaced if something better comes up in the future.
Unsure about labels for Food & Drink, Residential, Goods & Services. Let me know if anyone has any other preferences for what to call them.
I'm not a fan of Horsepital over Hospital, personally.
The residential hotspot doesn't fit any locations the base game right now. I'm thinking the Ponyville streets location from the downloadable locations would be good to upgrade to a core location as the default for this spot. For my WIP locations, I'm going to link Scootaloo's bedroom and Vinyl/Octavia's house to this spot but those might be better off as downloadable locations.
Everfree forest is more of a placeholder. It would be nice to have custom art for it though I want to focus on getting actual locations done.
Ultimately the art style of the map is so simple that anyone should be able to take over in the future. I will release another full individual layer breakdown when I finish the locations I'm currently working on.
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>>43270407
It's grim.
>still uses it
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>>43267931
Anybody know where to find the lore books abbreviated in these posts:
>>43270963
>>43270981

I don't see them on the sites listed in the OP so I must be missing a repo somewhere.
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>>43271324
Is this a joke or a troll post?
But anyway.
RGRE: Reverse Gender Role Equestria
Both lorebook and cards are on the Neocities.
AIE: Anon in Equestria
There is a card, but almost all cards can be AIE if you play as Anon.
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>>43271331
I am the joke.
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>>43270963
That's odd. In my experience, rather than the model leaning into pampering {{user}}, it always seemed to err the way of battered housewife (or househusband in this case) for RGRE.
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>>43271379
That probably says your preset's better at getting ponies to express negative emotions than that anon's. Either that or it's a model difference.
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No matter what lorebook or degenerate scenario I use, every single time without fail it evolves into a regular vanilla relationship with Pinkie Pie. I just can't stop loving this mare
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>>43271405
Good, feed your heart and not your loins.
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>>43271214
>Would you be interested in making this the default map in the core game once it's polished to yours and other anons' liking?
I have no problem with that in theory. The only reason I had it as a mod is for anons who prefer the more minimalist map still, since that can be a lot of noise on screen. I myself play with the "mod."
Maybe make a poll once it's out to see what the preferred default is?
I could try to have an option in game to easily switch too, but I need to see since it will touch JSON and such.

Thanks a lot for your work, by the way.
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>>43267954
>>43271420
Reposting the mod too, since I haven't put it on the Neocities yet.

>>43247494
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>>43271420
>The only reason I had it as a mod is for anons who prefer the more minimalist map still
Based. I didn't want to be a fag and vocalize it, but I prefer the default map with just the hot air balloon added. The locations are well-spaced, and I feel like my eyes can move around it more naturally. The extra locations on the modded map are a cool idea, but they feel too cluttered to me.
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>>43271379
it always plays some role, but i sometimes got into stories where the char tried taking care of me similarly to a child. it's decided on the start i guess
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Probably quantized, but OR has a free version of Kimi 2.6
https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k2.6:free
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>>43271812
Precious
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>>43271812
Cute.
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>>43271420
>I could try to have an option in game to easily switch too
Honestly laying the groundwork for easily moddable and swappable maps and other things in game wouldn't be a bad thing. Options in-game for that thing integrates modding into the overall experience a lot more than dragging and dropping files and such.
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>>43271431
I did another revision to be more thoughtful of what makes the original good. I don't think this will totally satisfy your own wants but I do want to make it look as clean as possible if it gets integrated in the main game.
I moved and resized a lot, then condensed away anything that wasn't a labeled location. I also tried to make the labels for the combined locations less soulless.
>>43271420
Yeah I don't think a toggle would be too hard. I can make sure the hotpot IDs are consistent between both the maps and include a classic_region.json when I upload something playable.
>>43267954
>Any anons playing the VN see pic related for a proposed new map
Let me know if anything looks off or should be revised. You can consider both the outskirts and the Everfree forest to just be clean placeholders that can be revised entirely in future updates.
>What is the point
As of VN anon's last game update, locations can now be combined into one map hotspot. This makes it more intuitive to play with many different locations and rooms without having to comb through the full off map location list. You also get a more complete simulation on screen as ponies go about their schedules. Clicking a hot spot lets you dig down and see the true location where the pony is. The flower shop and bowling alley are separate Hotspots to give breathing room and also act as good candidates for what to swap away when modding your own favorite locations in.
The paw print sign in the Quills, Sofas, and Friendships locations is the logo for Fauna's vet clinic which is a location I'm working on. It can be swapped out for something different if someone has a better idea for what represents a shops, services, and activities hotspot.
Previous version:
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>>43272040
I really like the new map myself.
>Fauna's vet
Based.
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>>43272040
will the pinkie pie party planning cave will be present?
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>>43272386
Yes though will be up to VN anon which ones he would want to include in the base game. See pic related for all of the locations I've gathered or edited. I have them all started in the proper folder structure but I need to review the display names and wire it up with the map. I'll upload a playable draft (no bgm yet) tonight or tomorrow of the new map and locations. The majority of it is supposed to fill out the existing locations.
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>>43272452
I notice you're missing the Horsepital Operating Room MapAnon. So I'm gonna go ahead and share it. I dunno your process, so I just stuck three versions in there.
https://u.pone.rs/ufakbhtu.zip
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>>43272524
Oh nice. I'll include it. Is that from skyros? I keep forgetting that skyros has a lot of stuff not on the boorus. Many of my odd locations are pulled from screenshots of the show. I plan on continuing to make locations beyond just what I did so far so I'll be sure to do a full lookthrough at some point.
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>>43272541
Kek
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>>43272604
There are MANY on the Skyros site. It's fantastic.
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hey guys how do i miss less on the deepseek cache thingy, i'm wasting a shitton of money because of that, 2 millions tokens wasted me about 2 dollars, any good extension for summarizing? i don't know if that's the problem, i have no idea how to do this. too confused.
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>>43272040
Everfree & Outskirts should probably be swapped back to their original locations, since SAA (specifically the zap apple orchard) is adjacent to the Everfree, per Granny's flashback.
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>>43272541
What model?
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>>43272742
Deepseek v4
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>>43272616
https://rentry.org/how2claude#summarization
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does pony pony paradise do its own summarizing or do you have to somehow summarize everything yourself
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>>43273081
Whatever AI you have plugged into the chat interface does it for you based on your Summary section of your prompt editor(has it's own structure by default).

You can then go in an edit anything the AI got wrong or that it didn't note down itself from the scenes.
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>>43267954
A playable rough draft is now available for the new proposed Ponyville map and new locations. Note that I am not the Anon who actually develops the VN so consider this experimental and unofficial.
https://ponepaste.org/11870
Warning that it can be laggy. I put an issue up regarding it on the Scrumboy. Make a copy of your entire ppp folder if you want to try it and keep some good copies of your old saves just in case.
There is no bgm or pony schedules for the new locations yet. This is purely if you want to give feedback or play with the map and backgrounds seen here.
>>43272040
>>43272452

>>43272619
I didn't make this change yet in the playable draft but I will try experimenting next week with new art for Everfree in its original location.
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>>43273127
Wrong link. I'm tired.
>Correct link
https://ponepaste.org/11925
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>>43273127
>Lag
I will look at it and try to fix it for the lorebook release.
Exceptional work. Thanks a lot.
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>>43272616
https://rentry.org/pay-the-piper-less
It's for claude, but deepseek cache should work pretty similar. Test around with a very simple preset and card to get it working, then turn stuff back on again one by one until it stops working to find what breaks the cache
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Do you guys have any recurring OC's you like to put into your stories? Whenever I want my characters to be mid-journey against something that isn't canon, I like to have them fight an 'Evil Baron'. Barons are so cool.
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>>43273339
I have a bunch that have appeared in other stories that I place in new ones using lorebooks.
For example there's a squad of night guard mares who sexually harassed my colt once, liked them enough that they're now permanently part of the Canterlot garrison in all my relevant chats.
My long-ass vampire Cozy story has a whole cohort of lovable psychos who I bring in when I want to be a bad guy with minions slash daughterus.
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>>43273339
Not a recurring OC, but I remember playing for fun a stallion that was basically Johnny Bravo.
The model made up a hulking Earth pony mare farmer called Sweet Pea.
Told me she was straight, which also excluded fancy unicorns.
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>>43273630
Kek. Which model?
Also I don't think Twilight is well placed to talk on the second-to-last one.
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>>43273642
GLM 5-1
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>>43267954
I'm going to weep. God bless you.
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>>43273760
Really cute.
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sometimes it really does seem like the models have a better time working with background NPCs. like they feel more free to just go wild and do as they think fit.
its a weird feel. like when it writes about char it tries it best to follow a script. but then for npc it just does whatever, much more natural. though not always.
less restricted by the char defs. though maybe its just my presets that make the model act more bound.
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>>43271812
Ponka's such a kid inside, of course she'd play with the CMC. This was such a cute read, thank you.
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>>43274019
NP! I have fun with it.
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>>43274304
wtf am I a fish?? I did a cutesy "you're hanging out with your buddy ponk" prompt once and she carefully decorated a cupcake with a gummy worm on it.

I thought it was super cute so I asked and she explained that his name is Sir Wormington the Second or something because Gummy ate the first one she tried to put on it.
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>>43273948
Seems to be the case too if you do third-person stories, without making it too obvious that the player is one of them.
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>>43273339
How do you guys go about writing long term stories and arcs for the VN, mechanically? Is it just heavy use of the scenario description going into scenes and summaries? For now I am just enjoying episode of the week style play, but I'd definitely like to get into some story running later.
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>>43274522
in my case I gave the AI a mystery to solve in my persona's description, both to make it personal and to make sure that the AI can't truly ignore it. on occasion I'd also give a one to two sentence scenario description to drive the roleplay in a specific direction; something vague and mysterious yet eager for interpretation. what it gave me was the idea that I am the ancient protector of a lost Everfree Forest location that ponies kept forgetting because of the magical aura surrounding it, and that I had forgotten my nature in failing to purify it initially. very corny, but it lasted about four thousand lines and it left me with some fantastic ideas that I could chase in future sessions

in layman's terms, I'd say you could try go into an arc having an idea of the purpose, then give it a start and guide the AI along with some careful writing of your own. the AI can propose its' own ideas along the way and you can regenerate those moments of creative thinking if you don't like the specific outcome?
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>>43273339
No, but now you have me cooking.
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Seems like https://mlpchag.neocities.org/ is not maintained
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>>43274985
What do you mean?
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>>43274522
Not that related, but a randomizer that could sometimes introduce random events in the VN could be cool.
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Gemini on SkillGod seemingly down/dead? just gives Upstream errors.
how long has it been down?
Or is it a case of Gemini shitting itself in general currently?
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>>43275116
It's been down for hours. According to the api status page, there's been a partial outage, so skillgod is probably affected by it.
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>>43274985
If you mean the bots from the last thread, they weren't anchored, so I wasn't sure Anon wanted them on the website.
They'll be up later today.
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I decided to bite the bullet and paypig, however, can't figure out how to pay in the Chinese openrouter, as it seems broken whenever I try to select the non-Chinese option to pay. Did any other Anons had that problem?
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>>43275116
it works now
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I'm sometimes confused on what prefill means. I'm getting censored and unable to get a proper message out of opus 4.7 but also 4.6 has the same issues but I thought only 4.7 took away prefill. Am I missing something here?
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>>43275282
Prefill got removed with 4.6; only 4.5 and below have it.
For Opus, 4.6 shouldn't be that filtered, unless they changed it.
Maybe try Chaggy to see
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43139650/#43155516
Or one of those:
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42886867/#42888097
; otherwise, I'll test first with my old preset and post it.
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>>43275282
As for what's a prefill, see https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43030373/#q43046100 and the answers.
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>>43275268
It works for me, but you need to go into Creem payment.
https://u.pone.rs/ppfffkdc.png
Website is pretty stable for what it is, but I would still only go $10 at a time max.
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>>43275355
>you need to go into Creem payment.
Whenever I do that, I get picrel. Already tried VPN+different browser, also registered into creem itself, nothing.
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>>43275426
Just did it now, and no problems.
So yeah, there seems to be some other fuckery going on and I dunno what.
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>>43275426
My payment went fine, but there do seem to be sporadic outages and UI issues. It can get annoying, but the cheaper models are still worth it.
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>>43275853
I can't believe you've corrupted her into not wanting infinite cupcakes.
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>>43276188
you'll have to read more to find out! Yearling genius strikes again.
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>>43276188
Love how she hides her eyes
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https://openrouter.ai/minimax/minimax-m3
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>>43276188
She should be *very* glad she didn't buy that from the enchanted comics store.
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Anyone here used linkapi the Chinese openrouter?
I keep having trouble with it, like my job doesn't work
Maybe my jb doesn't work with opus 4.6 and 4.7?
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>>43276810
Top cute.
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>>43276926
I use it both for Silly and the VN.
Gave it a try on Silly and no problems.
https://u.pone.rs/gyvinnaq.png
>Maybe my jb doesn't work with Opus 4.6 and 4.7?
Try SFW with an empty preset to see if it's that.
You can try >>43275299 too.
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https://lawlietx122.github.io/neuroslop-guide/
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I probably just have a high tolerance for low quality slop, but Gemini 3 Flash works fine with the VN, scratches my itch atleast.
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>>43277285
When it works I should clarify. When it is constantly giving error messages that sucks.
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>>43277287
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43193626/#43195492
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>>43274985
>>43267935
Bots were added.
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/
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Anybody give the ponies pet names? Not romantically, more like light teasing/playful bullying nicknames.

I've taken to calling Rainbow Dash Kaleidescope, Crayon Box, and Spectrum, especially when she's in a competitive or show offy mood.
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>>43277608
Mostly well-known fandom ones because I'm a basic bitch.
That or cringey lovey ones.
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>>43277608
Kaleidoscope is a bit of a mouthful for a pet name but Crayons works.
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>>43277608
Ponut Princess for Rarity.
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what are y'all thoughts on odysseus ai made by pewdiepie?
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>>43277608
Always. My favorite is annoying Rarity by calling her Marshmallow Buns in public.
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any recommended free llms from the ollama database?
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>>43277727
That one's exclusively for a nerdy unicorn stallion persona.
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>>43277888
That's just running a local LLM on your computer, so probably Gemma 4 31B if you have the hardware for it. Otherwise, a model from the same family with fewer B.
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>>43267954
I would love for Tirek to have some villain arcs in the VN.
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>>43277608
I call Dash Prism punk a lot. I have others but I can't for the life of me remember most of them now I wanna list them.
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>>43278150
There is no real story, as I understand it. The user-directed AI generated nature is the appeal. I am new to running it so I could be missing something glaring, especially since there isn't any documentation, but this has been my experience.

Without mods you have the choice of:
>New Game
>Slow start amnesia isekai hook
>Go to sleep
>Wake up
>Meet the Mane 6
>Meet Luna
>Sandbox
Or
>Quick Start
>Onna train to Ponyville with a summons from Celestia to research friendship there
>Twilight greets you at the train
>Sandbox
And finally
>Custom start(Sandbox from the start, you set the opener)

Once you hit the sandbox, everything's up to you to direct. You can write a short or long scene synopsis. You get two scenes a day. The calendar has seasonal events on it. You select the locations and the characters that are there for the scene. This can be done manually or in "dynamic" mode, but functionally dynamic mode will just be the model sticking to your scenario synopsis for moving characters in and out of the scene or changing locations. That's about it.
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>>43272541
What preset did you use for this? Can you share it?
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whats everyones favorite current model? curious to hear takes
mine is currently glm 5.1
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>>43278467
GLM is up there just because of how insanely cheap it is for near-claude level quality. pay like $10 and you can abuse the thing all day every day. however i wish it was smarter logic-wise and if it didn't have such a positivity bias. it could also stand to be more creative in *some regards* - it's very creative/funny in other ways, though. kind of wish it had image vision too so that my bonzipony could use it... excited to see how much better GLM 5.2 or whatever is
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>>43278467
Right now I'm mainly using GPT-5.4 on LinkAPI. Prior to that GLM-5 through OpenRouter was a nice sweet spot for me.
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>>43278514
that's interesting, how good is it? i remember finding older GPT models dry, and since every normie and their mom uses GPT i've been exposed to an inordinate amount of its writing, making the prose feel a little grating.
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>>43278467
Currently using Gemini 3.1 Flash Lite because it's free and the limits are 500 Requests Per Day, which is way more than I would ever use. It does well imo and has high uptime and speed(unlike the pretty useless OpenRouter free tier).
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>>43278475
holy fuck i forgot to update bonzipony
update v3.5
>read-only/safe mode (thank u queen gytha) pony can talk+nag but cant touch mouse/kb/browser, forces local LLM+TTS
>diary system: [DIARY:] tag, first person memory that persists, session recaps in her own voice
>privacy blacklist: wont auto-open gmail/banking/maps/etc
>standing rules fixed: no more closing twibooru thinking its reddit, verifies the tab actually closed before nagging
>rule-nags stay in character now
>prompt-leak guard: wont read its own system prompt aloud anymore
>relationship modes (lover/bestfriend/roommate/caretaker) actually change behavior now
>AFK mischief rewritten, pony browses like a real horny person, snoops history with its eyes not sqlite
>pixel font (m5x7) + typewriter click sound, toggleable
>single instance guard (no more 2 dashies after restart)
>doubleclick-to-talk fixed
>tts falls back to default device instead of crashing
>auto-update now OFF by default
>dropped scipy dep, dedupe desktop commands, misc fixes
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>>43277778
Forgot what thread I was reading and wondered what kind of mild-mannered schizo decided to post.
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>>43278808
I can't believe you forgot that this thread is for anons who are actually currently in Equestria.
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These are so stupid but they make me smile every time they happen.
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>>43278926
After all this time I still enjoy silly nonsense outputs, I think that's why I still like the tech so much.
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>>43278926
I can't do it anymore. These 'isms drive me insane. Please Anthropic. Please use less romantasy when training your coding tool. Please Claude I'm begging you, you can't just say that
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>>43278926
i could only wish i got these gimmics
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>>43278265
I should have said it better, but what I would like is just Tirek as a custom character, so I can use him in my plays with my own scenarios.
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>>43279003
Really? Other than the horn pops I don't see too many isms in that one.
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>>43279330
That probably gets a little confusing in the OR.
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>for some reason the AI thought the most optimal comedic segue into the next part would be to introduce a guy who fucks clouds
>it worked
The wonders of technology never cease to amaze. What fucking data did it pull a cloudfucker from?
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>>43279572
To be fair it probably was a really comfy cloud.
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>>43279572
i'd, as well, fuck a cloud that has rainbow dash's scent
but how the fuck did the ai come up with this one?
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>>43279572
I'm honestly at a loss for words.
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>>43279572
>What fucking data did it pull a cloudfucker from?
This is one of those cases where the fact that LLMs write the way they do can be an advantage. The scene's pretty open-ended and could've gone in all sorts of different directions but the moment rut gets slapped down due to your context presumably being horny as fuck it has to justify it by figuring out what's being rutted, and the fact that there's only one relevant object in the scene makes the choice inevitable.
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>>43279155
>statistics autism robot character in first paragraph.
>weapon analogy

Plus whatever this
>You did thing that's overstepping sexual/personal boundary. Physical manifestation of my reaction which is a mix of incredulity, amusement, increase in arousal, annoyance, and maybe more, depending on the situation. Repeat of You did thing sentence, just very slightly different.
can be called.

All of that just keeps looping in my opus stories so I'm hypersensitized. Plus the usual other 'isms of course.
The races joke is good though.
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>>43278803
Mac and Linux versions when
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>>43279798
Oh yeah, I guess in this case not having context makes it way worse, that's why I wasn't as bothered. Aureate isn't a statistics autism robot normally, he only did it there for comedic effect.
Funnily enough the context wasn't sexual/romantic, either. The bet was on how long the filly could sit still if we didn't mention a thing she was really curious about.
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Sorry for the lack of news on the VN. Next update will probably be this weekend with lorebooks and bug fixes.
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>>43278467
Opus 4.5/4.6 with DeepSeek V4 Pro on the side.
If I had to choose a favorite, it would be Opus 4.5 with prefill, but I really like V4, even more considering the price.
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>>43280100
You don't need to apologize for taking it slow, nobody's gonna be mad if updates take a while.
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Between GLM and DS, which do you guys think has better writing right now?
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>>43280384
GLM
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GLM5.1 has started properly working on **** since a while ago and
>Claude routing is temporarily paused for routine infrastructure maintenance.
might be damage control PR talk to pretend they weren't cut off but might legitimately mean they're getting it back.
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>roll a die for kissing pone
>fail
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>>43280693
just take the 10 bro, fishing for crits ain't worth it
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>>43279804
>mac
hang tim sweeney upside down from a lamp post and beat him with tire irons until his asshole falls out
>linux
in the works soontm
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>>43281205
>maresculine
LLM please.
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>>43281242
I love when the LLM does shit like that. Craftmareahip, ponynapped, etc
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>>43281270
I love it most of the time but that feels like a funky one, not its finest work.
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>>43281273
NTA, but I like it here. It fits the current situation well.
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>>43281310
Dang, for real?
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>>43281242
I'm pretty sure it's an actual word used in RGRE context.
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>>43281409
Ah yeah, I can see it for RGRE stuff. That anon may be outright doing an RGRE scenario in which case my complaints are null and void.
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>>43281412
It wasn't.
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>>43281242
It's just foaling around.
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What would you say is the genre you play the most?
SOL, comedy, adventure, just smut?
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>>43281958
Yes
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>>43281958
I flip-flop between silly slice of life nonsense, horny slice of life nonsense and melodrama. It's a living.
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>>43281958
I wish I could do adventure but the local models I can run just can't stretch that far. It might also have to do with my very meandering pace of not glossing over things as often as I probably could.
A single day can fill 100k of context and by that point all the model can remember is part of that day.
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>>43282023
I'd definitely say that it's valuable to learn when to end a scene and move to the next, it's something I do a lot of. Though obviously I get wanting to just sit in a scene forever, that's a lot of fun too, but if you want to adventure you gotta be a bit of a director and know when to cut.
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>>43282034
Yeah I definitely treat it too much like a player and not enough like a DM, focusing on things that don't end up really mattering for the overarcing story but that I'm curious about.
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Anyone try this out?
https://perchance.org/best-ai-character-chat
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>>43282096
It's posted from time to time.
They often change the text model and don't say what they use, but it's often a preexisting local one, so anons that use SillyTavern with online models will find both the interface and the model itself too limited, even when using cheaper models like DeepSeek.
I suppose local anons won't be interested either since it's online and allows less customization.
So it's more for anons that don't want to install SillyTavern or software at all and can be content with the model they use.
If I remember correctly, it does allow you to use normal cards and bots, so you can use it with the cards from the Ponydex.
So if you just want a quick solution to chat and don't mind the model being so-so, then it's not that bad of a service.
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>>43272040
Another wip revision of the map/contributions I'm working on. It's a bit of a regression visually because I quickly swapped the Everfree and outskirts but I do still just consider those placeholders to update down the line. I'm more interested in getting the actual current content up beyond draft form. I broke the tea shop back into its own spot and instead added the parfait cafe from the later seasons to the combined food spot. I also added a new hotspot called "Alley Oops" because we need a general hotspot for the seedy part of town. It works with the back alley and Madame Pinkie's tent. I labeled the lake Saddle Lake which is semi canon. I also rearranged the icons again to be a bit better canon-ish position.
I've been doing more original work for locations like pulling apart original vector files or adding better views like the exterior of Sweetie Belle's house. That will have a shore for the VN characters to stand on and serve as a default location for the Humble Abodes Hotspot.
For wiring up the music, I'm using the music property to link res://assets to existing core music for the same location, though I'll try to figure out something for ones that need original bgm.
This might help or hurt depending on your playstyle but I am spending a shitton of time writing full descriptions (or revising AI vision outputs) for the AI context description for every location. I found in my G5 playthrough, letting the AI know what existed in each room was amazing for immersion. I'm mostly done with the descriptions for my new locations but I'll move onto the base game locations next.
I'll also test an easily swappable json version of the original map with some of new rooms and locations mapped to the original hotspots.
Let me know if you want me to make any changes before I finish this more polished version of the first 'contribution' pack which I should be uploading Friday night.
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>>43282298
That's some beautiful backgrounds.
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>>43282298
I think that's the best map of all the ones you presented.
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>>43282298
>Horsepital
Heh...
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Do I have an outdated version of ST or did it just never get an update to access GLM and Xialong from NAI?
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Thinking about writing another card. Anyone have advice on structure and syntax?
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Friendmaking with AI bats
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>>43282709
Do not trust the bat, she's gonna drain you for sure.
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>>43282711
No way. This bat is super chill and not some horny mango muncher. She just wants a drinking partner; that's all.
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>>43282586
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/562101636/#562120632
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>>43280100
We're all just glad it exists. There's a lot of moving parts. Hell I'm just trying to make a mod for it and it's a lot.
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>>43282591
Some advice on cards that were posted. The format hasn't really evolved since, so I still agree with it.
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42178704/#42201679
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43193626/#43202307
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>>43282711
You are not immune to the EEEE
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>>43282742
Thank you!
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>>43282948
Twilight...
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>>43267928
Gemma 4 12B released.
https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/developers-tools/introducing-gemma-4-12b/
Well-optimised too, if you believe them.
I know we have some local anons and that one of them was using the 4B version, so this one could be worth a try.
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>>43267928
New free model
https://openrouter.ai/nvidia/nemotron-3-ultra-550b-a55b:free
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>>43283331
I love my marshmallow wife
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>>43283335
Is that a continuation of the Young Anon green?
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>>43267954
>>43282298
Asking this this to VN Anon now rather than trying to coordinate how to modify the .jsons later. I should still be on track to have a more polished version of the new locations with descriptions/bgm tomorrow night. What locations would you want to add to the base game? Marked in green is what I propose could be added with very little downside other than download size bloat. These are suggestions so feel free to veto any/all. Marked in red are ones that likely need more discussion.
Basic Idea: I will wire up the proposed new map with both base game and new locations coded into region.json (as well as backporting ones that make sense to the original map with its own region.json). I will wire up any locations NOT going to the base game with their location.json using the new hotspot property so that they can be downloadable locations instead.
All existing default locations will stay default so that existing schedules still work as expected when clicking hotspots.
> Madame Pinkie
I like these and think they'd be okay for the base game, though the exterior angle isn't great in game. The main caveat is that there's a slight chance "Madame Pinkie" existing in AI context could slip into Pinkie's depiction by the AI.
>Scootaloo Bedroom
This depends on if people roleplay with Scootaloo as homeless enough for a bedroom in AI context to matter.
>Vinyl/Octavia's House
Depends on people's opinion on Slice of Life and Octavia/Scratch living together affecting context.
>lake_swimming_view
This doesn't look good in game. Better if I remove this and rethink it later.
Current DLC From other Anons
>Apple Bloom Bedroom, Carousel Kitchen, Sugarcube Kitchen, Ponyville Street, Zecora Outside
I propose these are all upgraded to base game in line with the idea of expanding both interiors and exteriors of existing locations.
>Twilight's Lab
Potentially also worth a base game upgrade but I feel like AI slops Twilight a lot as a scientist. This might make it worse if a lab is siting in the context.
>Other Notes
Base game angle/crop overrides can be decided on your own.
Should all three CMC bedrooms be marked as selectable night residences? I do also have them and some others marked as sleepover spots.
Should I add the id field, region: "Ponyville", delete all old pos properties for all locations including base game locations to make things consistent?
Is sandbox_dialogue used for anything other than an extra description in some of the location selects? I haven't been filling it in since I don't know how to standardize it or what it's used for.
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>>43283495
I agree with all the base game ones, except maybe the Water Tower one? IMO it's a bit anecdotal and would be better as a download.
Only thing I'm afraid of is the size of the game and if dynamic location presets don't become too bloated by default, but otherwise I like the locations.
I could maybe look into supporting webp and port the base backgrounds to that without quality loss.
I like the replacements too, except Sweet Apple Acres since I find the original quite good in game, but maybe I should test the others.
>Should all three CMC bedrooms be marked as selectable night residences? I do also have them and some others marked as sleepover spots.
I don't really see a problem with that, so why not?
>Should I add the id field, region: "Ponyville", delete all old pos properties for all locations including base game locations to make things consistent?
I had the distinction "Group of locations" in region.json and singular like before, but dunno if it still makes sense.
>Is sandbox_dialogue used for anything other than an extra description in some of the location selects? I haven't been filling it in since I don't know how to standardize it or what it's used for.
It's a relic I kept around to see if it could be useful for some events during sandbox, but no, it's not useful right now.
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>>43283495
>Scootaloo Bedroom
>This depends on if people roleplay with Scootaloo as homeless enough for a bedroom in AI context to matter.
I mean, these days I write Scoots with her canon family, but with the tweak that she's not really babysat by half the town. The aunts maybe come by every couple weeks or so to check on her, but otherwise Scootaloo basically lives on her own at 12.

At the same time though, IDK if I'll ever end up using using a chatbot again, so...my input is probably irrelevant.
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>>43283680
Actually, a location enable/disable options system could be useful; Anons can customize Equestria to their preferred simulation setup.
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>>43283495
Have you come across any backgrounds that might work well as the player home's living room?
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>>43283603
>Only thing I'm afraid of is the size of the game and if dynamic location presets don't become too bloated by default, but otherwise I like the locations.
AI is only getting better and contexts getting bigger. I've been thinking the opposite and have been also defining a new property in each location called short_desc that could be optionally in context for all locations to tell the AI what a specific location id is. This can be tested without changes to the actual game since I'll export it as a pasteable context into the dynamic location box for Ponyville. I wouldn't mind actually helping solve the problem too. I think the best solution in the future would be a two part system 1) A main overview of landmarks in a region that shows only one main location_id for each main landmark 2) In each location.json, an array of related_locations that tells the AI where it can move from that location.
>I like the replacements too, except Sweet Apple Acres since I find the original quite good in game, but maybe I should test the others.
It's definitely the biggest loss out of the crops. I'll keep that one aside for now. The problem in general of cropping to VN style is that you lose a lot of the context of surroundings. In the actual show they wouldn't show a closeup scene without showing an establishing shot first. I will propose a loading screen system in the future where you could show these full images for every location while the AI is loading the scene.
>Deleting pos property
I think it's less confusing to just have a separate region.json for the legacy map since you need it for the multi room locations anyway. The pos property just becomes baggage unless there's something hardcoded that depends on it in game.
>>43283716
>Have you come across any backgrounds that might work well as the player home's living room?
No but I'll think about it in the future. I'm curious about when Nano Banana 2 Pro will release and if it will be good at making original backgrounds in FiM style.
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The version that will be public of Claude Mythos was available to some teams.

$16 per million input tokens and $80 per million output tokens. A 1M context window running at 52 tokens per second.
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>>43283832
That's a bit more expensive than Opus 3 back then.
>15$ 75$
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>>43283832
I don't have hope for this model's RP capabilities.
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>>43284265
Certainly nothing that would justify the price.
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>>43283076
That was me, I'll give it a shot. Bigger doesn't necessarily mean better(I was getting better results from heretic models of Gemma 4 E4B(9B) than I was the same fine tunes of Gemma 4 31B or 26 A4B, or Qwen 3.5/3.6 35B A3B and 27B models. I'm more than certain those models were better at other tasks like coding, but those weights were interfering with roleplay quality.

This new 12B mode does looks promising though.
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>>43277288
As a FYI this source appears to be down at the moment.
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>>43284528
Bruh I thought I was going CRAZY. Glad to see it's not just me.
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Neocities is down. Probably because of a planified Cloudflare maintenance.
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I'm fucked no matter what.
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>>43284834
If the Princess wished to do so, I have no doubt she had the capacity to accomplish such a feat.
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Does a chatbot's equivalent to a LoRA exist? It would be nice to feed it a bunch of prose and then have it replicate the style to some extent.
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>>43284915
Sure, ready made ones are not as prevalent though.
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sometimes i wonder if we'll ever reach a point of true originality from the models. if its even possible by design.
Its a hazy feeling im trying to describe, i know. they do manage to surprise sometimes. but i mean in the sense of asking the model to construct an interesting creative scenario and it will make something you truly never seen before.
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>>43284949
AI always picks the blandest, lamest possible version of anything. Give them sci-fi, they'll deliver u 'Vasquez' with a side of space opera. Give them a clever character, they give u numbers mega-autist nerd. Give them anything and they'll FUCK it in the ASS. just edit their replies and shove them around to get them started, i can't imagine them working thru this particular issue unless we get some new architecture entirely or AGI or some shit
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here's a little prompt for u

"Hey, {{user}}. Can I tell you something?" Twilight asked, looking up from her book.

"Shoot."

"You give off chill pedophile vibes like you sort of like foals but you went to therapy and got impulse control so you would never hurt one if you know what I mean. I'm a pedophile too and it makes me happy when I see you around because it feels like I can participate in society too. Good on you 'bro', thank you so much!"
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>>43284949
I don't think it's possible because I haven't seen humans produce truly unique things I've never seen before. I think it's just a limitation of creativity that's familiar. Once you've read the original ideas you can see them pop up everywhere.
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>>43284941
Where do I look into this? Can I make one myself?
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>>43284949
>>43284956
>if we'll ever reach a point of true originality from the models
Unless we ever get computers with organic brains - never. Modern LLMs aren't true AI. They're just improved chatbots from 2000s.
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>>43285001
text-generation-webui has some instructions and it depends on your hardware but (in general) if you can run a model you can train a lora for it.
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>>43284728
https://bsky.app/profile/neocities.org/post/3mnkenb35i223
it's actually because someone is trying to deplatform them
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>>43283495
>>43283603
New idea for Madame Pinkie, Scootaloo's Bedroom, Vinyl/Octavia's house as part of the base game. I'm renaming their IDs and description to remove references to who they belong to so it doesn't poison context.
Scootaloo's Bedroom becomes Spunky Filly's Bedroom with no references to her in ai context. Vinyl and Octavia's house becomes Musician's house. And Madame Pinkie's tent just gets the ID changed to fortune_teller_tent (I'll still keep the name Madame Pinkie's tent but not anything that touches AI context before you visit). This should allow stories to be told naturally without the downsides.
VN Anon, does this work for you or should I keep some or all as separate/downloadable with the original names?
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>>43267920
New Mare!
Princess Amore of the Crystal Empire. Long ago she was crystalized and shattered by King Sombra, the crystal pieces scattered across the globe. But now Princess Cadance has managed to collect all the pieces and resurrect her long lost relative in the modern day.

card:https://litter.catbox.moe/8yodhtw71aphwrhe.png
Three Greetings:
1) Cadance breaks down your door and gives you an interesting proposition
2) You find Princess Amore inside a cave in the frozen north. Recently resurrected she's cold and lost.
3)A chance encounter at a tavern.
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>>43283832
>$16 input mtok, $80 output mtok

Welcome back, Opus.
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>>43284728
>>43285126
It's back.
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>>43284961
bro literally stunlocked me
you got a card to go with that?
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>>43285276
Added, thanks Anon.
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Princess%20Amore.png
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>>43285341
don't think you need a special card, just equestria simulator / any character card / whatever will go along with it just fine
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>>43285544
That got me to laugh pretty hard.
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>>43267919
sex with filly chatbots
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>>43285614
Pets with filly chatbots, actually.
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>>43285621
Both, one after the other.
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>>43285614
Waifu who has problematic relations to fillies chatbot?
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>>43285629
mutual filly fiddling with your waifu is pretty hot
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>>43285633
no... i need to realistically roleplay her going to therapy for it...
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>>43285638
Alternatively, realistically roleplay your waifu telling you off for being a weirdo.
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>>43285647
This already happens to me naturally regardless of the scenario
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>>43285649
Post logs!
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I'm suddenly reminded why I don't look at this thread anymore.
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>>43285653
You should post logs of yourself complaining to ponies about the state of /chag/.
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>>43285225
I don't have a problem with that at all.
I'm just not sure what the best option is: it being in a state like this, or keeping it distinct but in the locations download menu if anons need it.
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Looks like Anthropic just put Opus 4.1 on life support. I was never a fan of 3, but I genuinely enjoyed 4.1 a lot and will hate to see it go. Hopefully Chinese models keep improving.
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>>43285647
>>43285652
i wish applejack could beat the autism out of me
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>>43285771
>he doesn't have a therapy pony that he's allowed to hug until he feels better
You're missing out bub.
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>>43284528
If this source dies, are we out of free Gemini beyond Skillgod? I used to mock Gemini but I kind of like it now that Claude is rarer
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>>43267954
>>43283495
>>43283603
>>43283799
>>43285225
As promised, a more polished "finalized" version of the contribution pack is now available for you to review. I spent all day on this so I'm sure there'll be something screwed up out of exhaustion but it's looking okay from quick testing. For all of the music to work you need to actually move the custom locations to the core folder, but I left them in the custom folder just for convenience to see what is proposed to being added.
https://ponepaste.org/11925
I also included a download for a new version of my map and location editor that I've been continuing to vibecode, but expect it to still be rough.
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>>43286147
Nice! Thanks a lot.
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>>43285276
Cool concept. I will give her a try when I can.
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>>43286147
The empty map with the icons and locations editor is such a cool thing.
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Anyone else having now
>net::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID
When going on OR?
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>>43286147
Ur a legend
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>ponydex UI update
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>>43286001
Its what I was using for 2.5. I know you can still use Flash 3 through Google directly and I have low standards so thats enough for me.
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>>43286775
Works for me.
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>>43267954
Still working on the VN.
One new feature is that you can now go directly into sandbox with no intro at all using Quick Start.
You will go directly into the map. Useful if your persona already has enough info on who you are.
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>>43286865
Tried to reduce the header to give more space to the cards themselves and have a small preview too.
I hope most anons find it better.
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>>43277765
It can even be used or you need a military level of setup?
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>>43287330
Checked quickly.
It's a vibe-coded "agent" like OpenClaw.
It's not a model; you need to have one.
Zero interest for RP, and even in general I would say.
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>>43287185
Are lorebooks coming with the next update? And will they be compatible with pre-existing SillyTavern lorebooks?
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I don't know when, but the little drop-down menu for reasoning (min, max, adaptive) disappeared at some point
Does anyone know what I mean? Or how to get it back?
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Nothing special but I found it cute.
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>>43287370
>Lorebooks
Yes.
I've updated them more since:
>>43263949
>>43264123
>SillyTavern compatibility
Not now, but I will look into it.
>>43287375
Which version of Tavern? I guess you already know, but it should be here as long as you're in chat completion.
>>43287453
It's cute.
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>>43287453
I always love fluffy Pinkie stuff, thank you for the log.
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>>43267954
Having a hell of a time trying to decompile the Godot version with the GDRE tool I found without it gigafucking asset loading outside the main menu. How are the other modders doing it?
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>>43287599
The mods for now use things that are accessible without the source code. You can create regions, locations, characters, and more for now.
I'll release the new update with lorebooks either tomorrow or the day after, and after that I'll "freeze" the dev just to clean up the code and release the source code.
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>>43287609
Agony. At least it's coming, thanks. Guess I have all this time by my lonesome to make a spec document for an impression system. I've reduced sycophant behavior a lot from the base on these models by expanding character cards and system prompting(especially trying to introduce gradients of impressions in the Summary section), but it's only - maybe 60% of where I'd like it to be and I think it can get most of the rest of the way there relying on harnessing that isn't fundamentally just prompting. Long and short of it, I think assigning key value pairs to characters and tracking a reaction value to a rolling total(maybe setting a min/max value per scene/scenario), assigning tiers/value thresholds, and having the Summary pull that tier tile for a relationship status would be a lot more gradual with fewer crazy swings than just letting the AI decide the character's impression of you freely from scene to scene.
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>>43278272
Sure I can clean irrelevant stuff from it and share it. It is really just an old preset that I added some sexual and worldbuilding prompts to. Plus the lore entries. A good of it also comes from the card which has example quotes already asserting these two as kinky.
>>43284961
She did not play along even for a second.
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>>43287453
Spooky rather...
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>>43287690
>three short 'no's followed by a 'just'
Ouchie.
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>>43287690
You can just say Rainbow Dash put you up to it, it's okay.
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>>43283076
>>43284321
>>43267928
Oh this is very good. This is very good. Promising. This is probably slightly better at roleplaying than Gemma 4 E4B(in turn, better than all those other larger local models I mentioned), but unlike E4B which has a tendency to introduce formatting errors as context grows I haven't gotten a single formatting issue in my testing. It doesn't have any issues the larger models have with having awful prose and very short replies/summaries.

I will have to do some tweaking, and testing which of the fine tunes for this model seem the best at these writing tasks, but so far I think this is quite usable. It's no Gemini 3.5 Flash, but it's good. Equivalent to Gemini 3.1 Flash Lite, imo. They differ in prose and structure of their replies, but, I prefer Gemma 4 12B's prose and Gemini 3.1 Flash Lite's structure.
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>>43287967
Something I forgot to mention somehow is the most impressive part of this model is it's ability to follow narrative instructions. Better than all these other models by a landslide. Even better than Gemini 3.5 Flash. I will instruct something to the effect of having characters in the scene react to a faux pas with expressively/emotionally/mentally and letting it slide/not bringing it up - but all of these models will try to have characters press the issue without tweaking settings and many regenerations. 12B is VERY good at deliberate exclusion in context.
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>>43287967
>>43287983
Thanks. It's good to get reports from the local side.
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Needs a Gmail.
Pass is who wore picrel.
All lowercase, all one word without spaces.
https://privatebin.net/?322a71dad9de64e7#B8KowWAiy4j3c8D8LD6FY6F5GgaSG6AoWR1T4JaE1xJ5
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>>43288680
Bless you for doing your thing, I'm not taking it but I'm sure someone will enjoy it.
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>>43288680
Thanks!
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Kinda big log, but it's just been cute after cute. And yes, she's a pegasus here.
It's also the reason I don't send logs, it's usually not as good when lacking context, like with Blossomforth wanting me to hide under a tree and watch her do her weather pony job, kicking a cloud for the rain I ran for home instead to not get wet and she actually waited up. Mares are just too good for their own good man. Hnng.
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>>43289010
Cute. Thanks for the log.
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>>43288680
How much does it cost per prompt?
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Is there anyway to stop a censored message from costing me credits? I'm trying to get around and figure how to stop it from getting censored but it's extremely costly.
>>43288680
Is this a first comes serve thing, I'm pretty sure im putting in the correct password but nothing is happening?
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>>43289106
It's open as long as you have the password.
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>>43289108
Well then I got nothing. I tried all the alternatives I could think off, including the meme answer and still don't got it.
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Google CLI is going to be kill, is this the end for free chatbotting?
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>>43289369
Free chatbotting is Google AI Studio. Google CLI is framework for coding
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>>43289377
NTA, but there was an old script to use Google CLI in Silly for free. I didn't even know it was still working tbdesu.

As for free options, anons just need to read the thread or anchors.
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>>43267954
Scootertrix Megan would be funny as a character. The ponies call her Meegan and she's irritated all the time. Having her, Anon, and the player would be a funny cast of humans stuck in Equestria who all have issues. She'd be the first to arrive, been there since she was 13 or something, Anon would be the second, having been there for maybe a year at most, and then the player who just arrived.

The differences between her and Anon would be that Anon is kind of a loser, being a 4channer (no offense) and he's quite put off by the colourfulness and positivity of Equestria. This makes him more moody than mad. Megan on the other hand, is generally irritated by the nonstop cartoonish high jinks and nonsensical magic of the world. Having been roped into one too many friendship adventures, she's close to crashing out at any pony who tries to get her to help with anything.
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>chat away on OR Claude
>check credits
>like three times less than there should be
>Claude decided to break cache for no reason on 2/3 of prompts
>I am fAInancially ruined
Don't forget to check cache status often, bros.
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>>43289409
This feels like it'd also work in a G1 total-conversion mod.
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>>43267954
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>>43288680
Signed in with a gmail account and created an API key and I still don't see any money in my wallet. Am I missing something?
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>>43289631
Can you check in Overview if you see it?
I tried it right now with a new Gmail, and I got the $10, so it seems they didn't cancel it.
https://u.pone.rs/fcqvauch.png
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>>43289595
Cute Luna
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>>43289637
https://u.pone.rs/gramsnqm.png
Just $0 across the board. I tried again with a VPN and another gmail and still nothing. Guess it's just not meant to be for me.
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>>43289667
Well fuck. Really sorry, Anon. Maybe check again in some hours.
Tried it again and it works on my end.
If other anons who tried can tell whether it works for them or not, that would help.
Send me an email with your $0 screenshot and I'll give you a key from it if you want, so you haven't done this for nothing:
[email protected]
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>>43289667
Maybe try referrals?
It gave me my $10 that way.
Weirdly enough, it gave me the starter $10 on the other account.
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>>43289687
That worked, and oddly enough the new account also got $10 that time. Thanks.
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>>43289595
>seeing him, really seeing him
AIEEEEEEE
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>>43289595
>ozonic
That's not in the dictionary. I refuse to believe that that's a word. Your model is fucking with you on purpose.
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>>43289873
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/ozonic
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>>43289873
>Ozonic
>That's not in the dictionary

Sentenced to remedial weather classes in Cloudsdale.
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>>43289865
Two months of dream realm foreplay will change a mare's brain chemistry.
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is skillgod's tf2 server down?
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>>43290334
It'd make sense, it's had issues fairly recently hasn't it?
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>>43290596
Fuck, that's really cute. That pony needs pets pronto.
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>>43290596
Dashie is so smart.
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>>43267954
What free API key can you use for this?
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>>43290768
You can use pretty much whatever.
Gemini free tiers, for instance, with either Gemini 3.1 Flash or Gemma 31B.
OpenRouter should still have some free models, I believe, but there's a chance they're getting overused.
You can try >>43288680
You can check the guide here too >>43267972
Otherwise, you can try going local.
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>>43290802
Interesting mix of characters there.
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>>43291046
Damn, that's cold.
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>>43288680
does gmailnator work or do you need legit emails
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>>43290334
>time for me to refresh token
>server down just as im about to
every fucking time man.
but yeah its down. last time there was an outage like that was in April where it was randomly down for a few days. lets hope its just another one of these small temp ones.
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>>43291144
NTA, but Gmailnator doesn't work either. You'll need a real Gmail.
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>>43289150
luckily for you, 9687 left the url in the image
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New free model
https://openrouter.ai/nex-agi/nex-n2-pro:free
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>>43291191
>17b active
yeah im not expecting much

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