Why shouldn't I stick a Limiter on every track in Ableton? Srs question.

>>130524276
Just put a single limiter on the master instead. This is fine while fucking around but when actually mixing a track this shouldn’t be done so you can hear what is peaking.

>>130524276
you should actually anons ITT don't know

but you should also be controlling in a cascading manner with an actual logic to it and not just slamming every individual track or no reason

>>130524496
That makes more sense to me. Sorry anon >>130524425. I was already sort of doing that, and you can hear how it changes the sound, but I think it's better to shape my sound around an already placed limiter, than to shape my sound, place the limiter, and then go
>Fuck, now I gotta change it.
because it doesn't sound like what you want.

accidentally cut a melody too long and looped it infinitely, it sounds kind of cool how it switches up throughout imo, probs one of the fav things ive recorded

https://vocaroo.com/1kJKp8TYS0RL

>>130526452
When you are actually mixing a track a limiter is just one tool you can use to control peaks, volume and loudness. It isn’t always the best choice. Sometimes a clipper works better for the specific sounds (snare drum or something with crazy transient spikes), or a specific compressor would work better to bring the volume down but increase perceived loudness, or nothing needs to be done and you should just turn the volume down.
When I am just messing around making music I use Abletons stock limiter only for safety really, like if I want a crazy delay swell that could go out of control and peak everything and make me shit my pants. Or for a finicky hardware synth than could randomly get super loud. But when the track is finished and I want to mix it all these limiters are removed and I configure every track with what is best.

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For double-tracking guitar parts, how tight do you try and get the takes and do you correct/align them later in the DAW at all? For pic related, would you bother correcting this or doing a retake at all? I'm just not sure what the acceptable margin is for timing/alignment between each take. It looks kind of bad, but sounds OK, and I know that usually means don't fuck with it if it sounds fine, but just interested to see what other people do. I'm not super comfortable doing alignment in the DAW cause I don't know how to do it without causing issues eventually (for every part I move it could cause a gap somewhere and it's awkward to realign things to sound right).

https://voca.ro/1e3MZwQncQim
Opinions?

>>130528425
wonky, like the soundtrack to someone's face drooping on one side before having a stroke

this is a live recording where i got room mics and vocal feed. how's it sound? any post-processing you would do to this?

note: second vocalist used a different dynamic moving coil mic, turned low in volume

https://vocaroo.com/1aNlbatvLWm6

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what are /mu/s thoughts on AI powered guitar amplifiers?

>>130529495
Not totally against it, but it's usage in a song should be declared as per the new /dmp/ AI regulations.

>>130529495
why would we care, i already use NAMs for any guitar stuff i do

why are there so many tutorials of how to git gud out there but only like 100 people who do this as their primary profession

>>130528390
meh, if its good its good anon. sometimes i like a little detune when doubling tracks. i was just trying something dumb like this today: https://vocaroo.com/1dnazyCEZf9U

>>130528390
>It looks kind of bad, but sounds OK
Judge with your ears, not with your eyes. Don't fall into the trap of judging musical elements by how they look on your screen.

And if you want us to give an opinion you're going to have to give us something to hear, too.

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A thread or two ago, some Anon said I gotta up the volume on it. I never got into mastering much yet, and I just fucked about with some basic mastering stuff and a master EQ. Thoughts on how it sounds? I think it's too muddy still.

https://vocaroo.com/1nL8LBYnCUab

>>130528390
Honestly, it depends on what you're going for. When I recorded some southern bro dude frat douche metal, I played everything a little sloppy and slightly dragging because it adds to it. When I record Fear Factory style industrial, I try to be as giga-tight as possible.

If it sounds good for what you wanna do and doesn't unnecessarily push or drag, it's probably fine.

You should worry more about being super tight when recording bass. A bass not being on beat fucks up your song way harder than a guitar that's a little off on occasion.

Opinions on this. Just a little snippet really.
https://voca.ro/1oRCyTzxElIu

>>130528390
If there isn’t some do between the two why double it?
If you want it identical, duplicate the track in the DAW.
The difference between them is what gives it the thickning effect

>>130532715
>https://voca.ro/1oRCyTzxElIu

Great production, specially the percussion, crispy af

gotta ask tho, do you actually know what to do beyond what you posted? with what's done so far it doesnt sound like it should go much longer than 2 minutes or something, since you already repeated the same vamp through the entirety of it. nothing wrong with that just that you seem to want to do more

Arturia really are ahead of every other company in terms of synth emulation and among the best effects. IDK about UAD because their shit will never be cracked and I won't buy into their bullshit.

>>130533566
cringe. chuzo teach him what’s up with your reddit quotes

my collaborator is making me make the whole song :(

Anyone get frustrated with their current projects and just delete all the files and start over? I did that today. Everything was just sounding the same. I couldn't fucking work on them any longer. Became a chore Taking a month off to focus 100% of instrument practice and CONSOOMING different styles.

>>130533680
>start over
that means the song sux just write a new one that’s good instead

https://vocaroo.com/19t901EjnsRN
need opinions on the mix

neural amp modeler 808s

much better than guitar rig sad subs thx
(well… mostly…,,,)

HIGH VOLTAGE

https://vocaroo.com/1iwZakJMoMlM

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In Reaper, it defaults to .8 bandwidth for a HPF for me now. It looks like this. I dont understand EQ much besides it makes the boom go away but is it boosting from like 80 to 200? I thought default bandwith on Reaper was 2. Can someone explain. Why would you want a boost right where you are cutting?

>>130535869
yes, using a high or low pass will cause a resonance. the steeper it is the more it boost, but the more quickly it will cut what it’s supposed to.

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https://vocaroo.com/11LOwOvrSTLx
something i whipped up in 5 minutes, what does it sound like?

>>130535869
Sound design/mixing
If you want to capture certain frequencies or if u think certain frequencies are not needed. It is sculpting

>>130535869
Resonance caused by phase shift

>>130536044
thin, 0 low end, playing is a bit too sloppy on the palm mutes and the clean part, and i'm not a fan of the amp sounds either. the opening riff sounds ok, though and the drums sound decent.

>>130536260
roger roger

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took a 2 week holiday to sri lanka, trying to get back in the swing of things
https://vocaroo.com/1cx06geMh8I3

>>130533566
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmVB7CshXz4
mogged

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>>130536260
https://vocaroo.com/1eG8wlBRnwkt
i didnt fix the palm mutes but spent a little extra time on it.

>>130530230
most people are unironically retarded, like they'll do the bare minimum to pass the math tests in school, they won't go above and beyond to become an expert in math like terence tao. musical talent related things like absolute pitch and a great sense of rhythm are said to be quite rare. people say you don't need absolute pitch and pitch memory to become a (working-class) musician but you need some version of mozart tier ability to hear the polyphony in your mind to even comprehend the music properly just like how you would objectively fail to solve math problems if you overlook critical details. most normies can appreciate mainstream music to some degree but they don't seem to hear the production tricks directly, they just accept that what they see and hear from someone like elvis presley, michael jackson or taylor swift is their god-tier natural performance without technological enhancements. many anons are even less aware than normies so they'll have some narrow incel schizo music taste so they'll have an unwarranted confidence in their music making skills because most music sucks according to them so it won't take that much to make good music according to their subjective taste.

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>>130538399
keep seething.

>>130538438
it unironically sounds like shit like even those normies acknowledge that the previous version didn't sound that great so they need this new version to improve upon it. but feel free to dedicate years of your life to consume this goyslop.

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>>130538449
feel free to spend money on shitboxes that are becoming obsolete by the day thinking you're totally red-pilled and out of the simulation. also don't lecture anyone about "subjective taste" bullshit while at the same time claiming that NAMs or even nebula plugins sound like shit without explaining why.

>>130538479
it shouldn't need to be explained it should just come to you naturally, even when i was a kid with no clue whatsoever i could hear if things sounded good. if you got spoonfed with having free accesss to the best studio gear in the world you still wouldn't know what to do it because you don't have the goated talent.

>>130538495
>you don't have the goated talent.
and you do? let's hear it.

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>order a Behringer UMC1820 audio interface from Sweetwater
>works fine for a few days then think I hear a loud pop when I turn it on again
>now the output volume is super low from the headphone jack
>have to crank the headphone knob all the way and turn my computer volume to 100 to even hear anything
>email Sweetwater and ask to return and get another one
>they send me a new one and say to keep the broken one
>exact same issue
>WTF
>mess with it for a few minutes and realize there is also a "Monitoring" knob that is all the way down
>turn it up
>I can hear everything again
>test "broken" unit
>works fine
Looks like retardmaxing is finally paying off.

>>130538562
even if i posted music you're literally too retarded to appreciate it, anons have complained about countless objectively top tier successful songs

for example these would fly over many anons heads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=safzyuZNCGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gKpREE5Z3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNDh7d4FoK4

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>>130538580
concession accepted.

>>130538603
it's basically common sense, most people even if they spend decades playing an instrument and learn to play elaborate classical compositions, they're just performers like a trained monkey, most of them aren't any good at composing themselves, they don't have that mozart tier thinking ability. production and mixing goes many layers deeper working with the sound directly, most amateurs focus on the instruments like synths and don't get deeper involved with other studio gears like compressors, EQs, reverbs etc.

Yeah I bet your UK garage Sweet Caroline Dubstep remix is Mozart tier with the production. They call him maestro EQ.

>>130538767
van halen jump is one of the most cliche synth riffs and guess what
>They began learning the piano at age six,[13][14] commuting from Pasadena to San Pedro, Los Angeles, to study with an elderly piano teacher, Stasys Kalvaitis.[15]

>Van Halen never learned to read music.[16] Instead, he watched recitals of Bach or Mozart repertoire and improvised. Between 1964 and 1967, he won first place in the annual piano competition at Long Beach City College.[clarification needed][15] Their parents wanted their sons to be classical pianists, but the boys gravitated towards rock music,[17] and were greatly influenced by 1960s British Invasion bands such as the Beatles and the Dave Clark Five.

Is it even possible to make a song palatable to the masses without using pitch correct anymore? It's been used by every major artist for the past 30 years
I personally like imperfections in music

>>130540876
are you interested in making music for others or yourself?

>>130541057
Myself but anyone who says they don't care if other people listen to their music is lying.
I also have not recorded myself singing/playing together yet so I don't know how it will even sound in a mix without any type of pitch correction.
I like 70's stuff so that's what sounds good to my eat and I have no idea how heavy any type of vocal pitch correction was back then

>>130540876
I don't use pitch correction. Simple as.

>>130541205
Any vocal training? How do your vocal sounds in the mix?

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This is p. great. Found it while searching for all-in-one bundles.
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/2-Effects/53-Multi-Effect-/12451-MixBox
Gonna try to post some vocaroos later.

>>130541162
>I like 70's stuff
>vocal pitch correction was back then
this is bait right?

>>130541427
They had digital tuning AFAIK but I don't know shit about production so correct me if I'm wrong

>>130541473
anon you are a good 25 years off

>>130524276
you're still going to sound like shit but at least it's smarter than putting a limiter on the master.

>>130538578
i tried one of these (smaller unit) and returned it the next day. the sound was so shit i didn't even recognize my own tracks. you would think all audio interfaces sound the same, well not with behringer. they're not loud enough or something

>>130541561
Well did they do any touch ups on vocals in the 70s?
Again I'm a retard when it comes to production

What's the best way to sing on pitch? Play the vocal melody on piano and have it come through a headphone while singing?

>>130542093
no the normal way is to master matching pitch and having relative pitch down.
you hear one note, match, and can go anywhere from there.
if you don’t know your scales/intervals then you should learn those.
vocal lessons are worth paying for if you’re struggling.

>>130541651
>they're not loud enough or something
Did forget to turn up the monitoring knob then? If you are plugging in headphones you have to use both the Monitoring knob and the Phones knob.

All interfaces do sound the same. Of course there are better and worse input pres but the output sound of all interfaces made after like 2005 essentially sound the exact same and should have little to no noise assuming you are using it correctly. Expensive interfaces are expensive because of features, not because they sound better.

>>130535935
>>130536161
>>130536178
that makes sense ty

Any of you retards running reaper on Linux? Having a few issues getting windows vsts to work w/ yardbridge, wondering if just installing reaper in wine would be easier/work better

>>130542985
went through this several months ago and couldnt figure it out. i have so many windows vsts, i ended up just doing a window 10 partition strictly for production. i forgot if it was guitar rig or valhalla verb or maybe ezdrummer but one of them was crashing.

>>130542042
People just knew how to sing back then.

>>130543303
yeah I might end up doing it too, or even just get a laptop purely for production. It sucks because Linux is now 100% fine for everything else, gaming included. I will continue trying for now though.

How accurate are pitch monitors? I can harmonize when singing along but when I do the same with a pitch monitor it's all over the place especially when I change notes

>>130542042
they had the original eventide harmonizer released in 1975. anons are literal retards who don't know shit.

>pitch shifting is the same as autotune

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>the legendary artists struggled with caveman technology and did nothing special beyond the bare minimum of recording a performance

>>130544915
yes that’s exactly what they were asking about, clearly

I tried to make a sample-based beat. I'm still trying to figure out how to export stems or at least to mix a little better on my sampler, so that's a little rough, but I'm having tons of fun, so that's gotta count for a percentage point or two.

https://vocaroo.com/1iHklvGrcUQh

>>130545187
you're literally a stupid child like you think people just sang like god damn wizards and did nothing special in the studio. yet you're here in 2026 and you can't remotely sing like that.

>>130545378
>stupid child brings up random tangentially related thing, strawmans, then calls other people stupid

welcome back. /prod/ was almost tolerable to read without you here.
good riddance

>>130545624
anon said
>any type of pitch correction
which doesn't mean the most cartoonish use of autotune that any normie knows about. professionals have manipulated pitch with tape varispeed etc for ages.

you people are literally useless and are effectively just trolls but you're not even clever trolls in any humorous way you're just ugly stupid people who are devoid of any creativity

>>130545639
you know that’s not what he was asking.

>>130545670
so they miraculously just found not one but TWO god tier singers for ABBA and they just sang in such a way that it still btfos virtually all professionals half a century later

>>130545677
nobody cares about whatever dumb ass point you think you’re making chuzo go get a fucking life so you can stop harassing the good people of this general

>>130545709
concession accepted

bro thinks people can't just be good at singing lmaoooo

ive been using a upright bass where i really need a acoustic bass vst and I'm having issues eqing it to sit right without too much boom. its meatbass soundfont. the arrangement for bass has it anywhere from d#1 to d#3. how would you approach it? im cutting at around 50hz right now but i dont hear enough definition in the upper mid range. and the boom is over powering my sparse mix of just piano drums and vocals
https://voca.ro/1ot87eOHOwtv

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https://vocaroo.com/1kmEY08Vf5q3
the metal thing i was working on yesterday. hows it sounding now?

>>130546623
compress it to fuck, that's the trick for mixing bass guitar generally. Multiband can do the trick if it's just the lowest string giving you grief

Guys what are some good headphones for production? What do you guys use?

>>130546623
>50 hz
why? you’re booming at like 100

if you haven’t tried already try lowering the velocity to see if those notes are more balanced

>>130546472
sure buddy keep practicing your singing and you'll get scouted any day now

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about half of the population, perhaps more in 4chan dweebs with odd music taste, are effectively braindead in their emotional response to music, and this is just for basic enjoyment of listening to music before we get into talking about mozart tier thinking of being able to fully comprehend every aspect of the music and being able to create new great sounding music

the frequent appeals to exceptionalism and some secret knowledge are so fucking funny

we all know (((they)))) think like that and this pathetic little pissant has to apply the same logic to making music just to feel special lmao

>>130547317
it's a gamechanger to know that (((you))) are unironic goyim who are addicted to playing runescape etc so it's not like i have to compete against a million max martins, you're literally just cattle

>>130547327
>there's no serious competition, let's not even try to be better than them

>>130547728
you have some funny/sad toddler brainlet idea of what "try" means. you think you can just open up a DAW and shit out a track and that counts as trying. you're not even attempting to learn the 4d chess that the real top tier producers are playing. people like you stretch the definition of what a human being even is when you lack the basic brain wiring as in >>130547290 and you're just utterly incompetent without being self-aware of your incompetence.

>>130547757
>let's call the competition bad so I can feel better without actually being any better

>>130547769
you're objectively bad, like a school kid might get a passing grade in math, but the teacher knows that the top student is like glowing swollen head genius compared to them. if i wanted to become a professional mathematician, it would be intimidating to try to go up against people like terence tao, but i can still easily be a genius compared to random stupid people like you. music doesn't have the objective criteria to judge in the same way as math, so you might be incredibly bad at it without knowing it yourself, but most normal people just "know" if you're an incel wannabe artist so they'll avoid listening to your music.

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>>130533566
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me9NrYHNhZE
arturia is so gay that it loses even compared to a digital synth DSP emulation that makes no attempt to capture the character of the analog signal path of the hardware synth

>>130545188
you really took a fat shit all over it at the 43 second mark. didn't go past that, but it was kind of enjoyable until that point.

>>130547803
>>130547769
1v1 please

>>130548081
I will even organise it. What genres do you want? Want me to pick a sample or something else to imitate or measure against ?

>>130548081
>>130548088
chuzo will never make or post anything. he is in every /prod/ and /dmp/ thread and doesnt actually produce or make digital music. he is either an actual schizo with a hyper focus on his own GAS or just rage baiting. either way he has been here for years doing fuck all but call himself a genius for watching youtube videos, hes never going to post a song because he likely will never attempt to make one.

>>130548081
He'll chicken out with convoluted mental gymnastics, I won by default already.

>>130548159
says the arturia user

>>130548165
Says the chicken. There, it's settled.

>>130548173
i'm in no rush to make music, those kids who just start posting low effort tracks end up as literal whos 99% of the time. if i posted music you would just troll me no matter how good it is and you would try to dox me. it's normal to require time to practice and i'm setting up my own top tier hardware not just hopping in and recording in a generic commercial studio. you sorely underestimate the scale of my enlightenment, you're showing time and time again that you don't understand sound so you think you can use things like stock plugins and arturia soft synths. even if your songwriting were good, which it isn't, you wouldn't have an advantage over other producers in terms of sound. you're just hoping, you don't know that i can't get good at songwriting because then i will have mogged you in every way possible in a fraction of the time that you've been into music production.

>>130548003
>this guy again
Just post your hardware synth collection already and let us see what is inside the master's studio.

>>130548321
>if i posted music you would just troll me no matter how good it is and you would try to dox me
Wrong, I'd change my mind about you not being able to make music. I'd be humbled on that point. But let's be real: it isn't going to happen anytime soon, as years have proven.

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>>130548378
>the hard part of making music is to use a DAW and print a track
>not learning the countless other things about music culture, music recording history etc etc to be able to deliver a finished product that gets accepted by an audience as being a great work art

>>130548393
Meanwhile, IRL: crickets. Farewell, keyboard warrior.

chuzo tongues my anus, simple as. what a waste of reply count.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMp4oUjIQnY

https://www.thomannmusic.com/intl/soma_warp.htm

Should I buy this or the fact it’s digital is a dealbreaker?

>>130549300
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Dg-Kt7bP8

>>130549364
my dick…

>>130546761
Sennheiser 650 are best, but if you have ambient sound around you like AC or road noise you may want to go expensive noise reduction ones

>>130524024

https://vocaroo.com/1ey7SAuiZjYt

y2k tranceslop

>>130549364
Fucking YT slop product shilling channel. This sounds like shit. Who are those chance settings for as well? I don't understand why you would use random settings for effects. I like to very purposefully add in sounds and have full control over them, though, and I don't do any glitch shit so maybe it's a genre thing?

>>130550404
it has dozens of algorithms with tweakable parameters. git gud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_dSzeJy1RY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbLA8GFX1oI

>>130550485
i won't buy your 900 dollary doo shit box

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>>130550839
cope

My drop. Going for wonky, crude, amateurish dubstep you'd find on youtube in 2010-2012
I know it's ear rape but it's a specific kind of ear rape I'm nostalgic for

Back in the day I had a bunch of shitty 128kbps youtube rips of crappy dubstep I'd listen to in my mom's mini over a very lossy mp3 to cassette tape converter

https://vocaroo.com/1cnVmPZUdMM9

>>130550901
what's the point, I'll never be able to out cope you.

>>130551003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLCAS71DNG0

>>130551038
I'm not opening any of these and Ur gay plus any music you make is bad.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7c5AYkt4_o

>>130548076
Okay, good, I'm glad someone agrees. I was iffy on that part and kept second-guessing it, but decided to call it done. I think it's just too busy compared to everything else. I wanted some contrast, but I think I went overboard.

>>130551534
mandatory sterilization of all redditors

/dmp/ new album listening party get in here
https://dmpproductions.org/party/
>https://dmpproductions.org/party/
https://dmpproductions.org/party/
>https://dmpproductions.org/party/

https://vocaroo.com/1i9xOPNu9qbZ

sloppy jam of the day, any opinions?

>>130550951
>https://vocaroo.com/1cnVmPZUdMM9
i think you're achieving your goal but GOD is it loud anon

>>130549630
>https://vocaroo.com/1ey7SAuiZjYt
give it some bass for crying out loud brother, i like it tho the breakdown is peak 00s racing futuristic racing game

signed
>>130552211

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Thoughts? Did I unretard the mix and make it louder and clearer properly? I know the choir needs to be a little louder past 48 seconds.

>https://vocaroo.com/1oBdPi7Hcqqz

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Watch or download the new /dmp/ album:

https://dmpproductions.org/albums/#pitches-and-scores

>>130549364
this lady seems purpose built to extract my cum tbqhwyf

Anyone here every studied to be an audio engineer?
I hate my stupid desk cuck job and wish i had done something music related and worked in a studio

Reworked this a bit. I'm having a fucking terrible time getting the mixing right, but is the arrangement solid? Are the little plucks loud enough or should they be louder?

https://vocaroo.com/11LxHL4xNhwA

it feels v satisfying to go back to projects of years passed and be able to slice through mixes that formerly took days of agonizing frustration within just an hour or two now.

>>130555411
bass sounds funky i like it

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https://vocaroo.com/1D3iXoaH6Mvm
something my mate and i recorded this afternoon

Bros, I can't find a damn track I can remake to learn from. All the songs I like are too complex. What do I do? Especially in jungle, I don't understand how to remake the drum breaks and pads. The pads are sampled so how do I remake them with VSTs? I don't understand.

Do you think Guitar Pro will ever make the leap to professional production software? what's the over under on this?

>>130524024
i recently discovered the wonderful world of vibe coding shit VSTs

>>130554797
most anons are too retarded like they think software synths sound as good as hardware synths and they're not even interested in the more subtle stuff like compressors. even basic intuition about what sounds good, they don't have it, like the idiot who thinks the eventide sounds like shit or for example sn0ychan got annoyed when jean-michel jarre showed tape looping, he doesn't appreciate the tape sound.

>>130557012
No.
>production software
Absolutely not.

>>130557436
TL;DR:
>no, I never studied to be an audio engineer and I can't help you with your question but I can't help posting.

>>130557892
audio engineering can be self-taught in a fraction of the time it takes to intern at a studio where you'd mostly just observe engineers while they're working and serve coffee. going to college for it is a bit of a joke because either you're not inherently talented so what they teach at the college seems like a relevation to you but it's not enough to succeed in the real world or you're talented and what they teach is babby tier stuff that you could easily learn on your own.

like anons think the songwriting and performance is by far the most important thing for the quality of a song. there's an element of truth in that, you don't need to worship the mixing engineers as if they're albert einstein inventing the atom bomb. they had the mixing engineer for megan thee stallion and cardi b - WAP talk about how he mixed it and the vocals were delivered to him with effects already on them and the instrumentals aren't that deep so he didn't actually do all that much to the mix. it's not that hard to know that the vocals were sent how the artists want them to sound like so you shouldn't mess with them too much.

He is just like me fr

>>130558287
> there's an element of truth in that
/prod/ should be so proud now that our special little retard has finally come around to begrudgingly admitting something so basic!
it only took you what, a year or two of watching youtube to come to the same conclusion literally every other beginner is aware of?
it’s okay to be a little slow, we’re all proud that you’re making progress! :3

>>130558207
All of the studio stuff can be self-taught, it'll just involve a lot of trial and error, and depending on how much time and effort you invest, will take longer than studying it. Talent only means so much if you don't put in the work.

>>130558530
see >>130558569
the boomer is the real idiot here, he simultaneously thinks songs like clairo - pretty girl were incompetently produced and mixed so that he can do it himself without too much difficulty, but he also thinks that the professional studio engineers are geniuses and that it would be practically impossible to learn it himself wtihout putting in years of time and effort

>>130552400
I like the bell and choir sounds in this the most. The second part is rough to me, for both composition and mix, but probably the mix more. I don't think it's the choirs that need to be louder, but the guitar is too overwhelming due to being heavy PM chugs. I think it's a bit boring as well, personally, but maybe it's just cause it doesn't hit in the way I think you want it to.

mixing and mastering engineers don't get paid much per song, while producers could have something like a 50% split between him and the songwriter and the artist, the producers job is crucial, while the mixing is less crucial as long as it meets any reasonable minimum quality standards, so it's mainly if you want to be a mixing engineer that you could approach it with plugins if you prefer to work that way, but producers who want to be successful should have better awareness of the sound quality of hardware synths etc

>>130558690
>I think it's a bit boring as well, personally, but maybe it's just cause it doesn't hit in the way I think you want it to.
that second half I mean, the other bits are fine.

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>>130558670
That's just your standard boomer cognitive dissonance, really. New thing bad because new thing and I could do it with ease, but man with big name and title know many thing so good, he is basically God, and I am also God, so I think like big name man who knows many thing, so you shut up and listen to me.

Same shit as a retard I knew whose musical expertise didn't extend past a few campfire chords on a telecaster, claimed he could handle any synthesizer with ease, and glazed anyone who remotely went anywhere in music, so long as it wasn't too much of new thing.

>A faggot posting Angel Dust who plays, records, programs, mixes, and masters everything himself is telling you this

>>130558700
>>130558670
>>130558287
>>130558207
Tldr: disregardable reddit tier opinions of an armchair wannabe 'producer' who's never done anything himself.

>>130558690
>>130558757
It's supposed to be a character theme, so I tried to keep it super simple and short. Maybe it's too simple. The chugs are something I'm struggling with a little in the mix because I doubled the left and right tracks, pitched the doubled tracks down an octave, and let only the lower frequencies of the usual guitar range shine through to try and make them more hard hitting. Maybe I just gotta lower the volume on those and it should be fine.

>>130558893
feel free to go to college for audio engineering and then go intern/work for a commercial studio. while you think i've wasted 2 years this would take you much more than 2 years and you might still not get good. maybe you'll earn enough to survive on but it's not getting showered in money like a rockstar.

>>130559030
My understanding is that PM's usually need taming in the lower frequencies, not adding to them, so you will always struggle to get them to not be overwhelming with that kind of processing. Try putting a MB compression on them for only around the 300-400ish area. You will be surprised how much it cleans them up so you don't have to do that kind of fuckery to make them hit harder. Try playing with the bass there to make it hit harder instead.

>>130559350
Yeah, you're correct with palm mutes, especially ones this heavily detuned. I'll give that a shot later and see how it goes. Buster Odeholm does this kind of octave layering all the time, and he produces some ridiculously heavy music.

Aside from that, though, how's the mix? I'm just now really getting into mixing and mastering past a basic level.

>>130556620
you could just use a reference track and make your own song?

>>130559510
It's noticeably amateur/bedroom producer, but definitely not the worst I've ever heard and probably similar to where I'm at. Drums sound decent, especially combined with the small lick at the end, that's probably the best sounding part. Also like the bell and choir as I mentioned, I think they sit pretty nicely in the mix. I think some stuff needs more balancing and processing to make it all more glued sounding, cause I get that disconnected feeling between the riff at the start and the droning pad/whirring noise that plays with it. Those two things feel like they should be tighter together to make a wall of noise, but it just sounds like you're playing a copy of the backing noise into a small room, then jamming over the top of it rather than them being one cohesive performance, if that makes sense. I don't think anything stands out as being egregiously problematic, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlYcUqEPN58
swiftologist called this song very bad and cringe and i tend to agree that it's annoying slop in terms of songwriting. there are other songs by pharrell that bother me too. pharrell's success has more to do with production than having particularly epic mozart tier songwriting skills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RYy9NA4lAg
see also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Snnbqku_Y

>>130552400
can you try the second part and on with some blast beats or something like that

>>130542494
>Did forget to turn up the monitoring knob then?
no. i meant "loud" as in the dynamic range. a Focusrite has 120dB for example. the behringer sounded like the crappy hi-fi player i had has a kid.
but enjoy your toy

>>130560074
That sounds better than what I expected to get for feedback, desu. Thanks for picking it apart like that. You're right about the whirring synth not really being glued with the guitars and some stuff needing a lot more processing. Most of it is pretty basic in terms of (dynamic) EQ, compression, limiting, etc.

>>130561042
I might give that a shot next week. I like the slow and trudging feel it has with the slower drums, but who knows.

Is “you get what you pay for” true for mixing or is it bullshit? Never got my song mixed before. Looked up the credited for songs I liked in my genre. Lo and behold, the engineers of those songs are charging $1000s. Cheapest I saw was $800. I would feel like a retard paying that much for a single track when I haven’t seen a dime for my music before. One of those guys told me “you get what you pay for, good luck” when I made a comment about the pricing.

>>130565760
Extra edit: but those were some low tier mainstream artists. Are rising underground starts with great music really paying $1000s for mixing?

Any thoughts for this WIP? :3

https://vocaroo.com/1dAmsbWUKzOA

https://vocaroo.com/184zOvDTkSDv
>>130565939
i like it, you could shorten it so it doesn't drag out

>>130565760
>One of those guys told me “you get what you pay for, good luck” when I made a comment about the pricing.
Hes a fuckin moron and you dodged a bullet.

>>130565760
for people? yeah no shit.

it's just like anything else with declining returns though.
obviously at some point peoples' rates are based on the name recognition, but do you want somebody who just meets the bare minimum and takes your track off a conveyor belt at the "mixing service" they work at and plop it into izotope whatever and just shovel it through on auto pilot?
clearly not.

get somebody with real credits or some type of portfolio so you know what you're getting into.

>>130565760
Mixing is hard carried by the song. Funny how engineers will say mixing is the hardest step of the process, that you’ll only get good after years of studying, yet there are DIY bedroom musicians with a year of mixing experience doing it themselves and getting acclaim.

If some amateur musicians can do the “hardest job in music.” Out of their bedroom and still reach a level of success, then either
>mixing isn’t anything close to as important as the song, and amateurs would get fucked our the ass going to expensive engineers when they can get away with their amateur mixes
> mixing isn’t as hard as they make it seem

>>130566812
>mixing is the hardest step of the process
show us one example of this

>yet there are DIY bedroom musicians with a year of mixing experience doing it themselves and getting acclaim
completely agree. why aren't you doing that?

my 404's SD card is full of random shit i sampled off youtube using my laptops headphone jack.

>>130567646
yeah that’s going to sound bad

>>130567646
based make sure to record in lofi mono mode too, it sounds great

>>130566812
you are right, but the fact that clipping every single track with a limiter on the master is fucking retarded is also true - and i would know because that's what i did for the last 20 years.

>>130557436
>most anons are too retarded like they think software synths sound as good as hardware synths
and it's not only the noobs, zoomers or whatever. you have boomers who think, you have half of the industry pros on gearspace. the fact is, you can get away with using stuff like Zebra if you're on a deadline doing commercial crap for a client

>>130572493
who think that*

>>130538578
Behringer'd again. shitringer's stuff is so cheap because its made as cheaply as possible with no QC

>>130540876
i dont care about pitch correction itself but i like the slight glitchyness/digital aliasing it gives vocals

>>130547290
wow not being able to experience frisson must suck ass, that shit owns

>>130556588
Kek holy based. I listened to the whole thing. Pretty good. Just needs to be cleaned up and recorded in a studio or something. I don't know the process.

>>130555411
Interesting

decided to just absolutely wing it and not think for about what i use and just see what i get
this is the first 64 bars of a dnb project idea

https://voca.ro/15kew1aiaEXK

what do you guys thnk so far?

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https://voca.ro/15omuXPG8ma0
shortened intro, improved guitar solo and final chorus, messed with some stereo and other small stuff. Mostly winging the more technical stuff so it's probably lacking.

>>130562246
Maybe not full on all the time blasts but some bursts, maybe not too loud either

I haven't really visited /mu/ before, so is this the thread where I can ask for feedback on my attempt at creating generative ambient?