>>130550167 Same reason why the middle class went from stocks to dreaming about being landlords and men stopped having close friends after college— The Great Depression.
>>130550276 This and crackdowns on weed & opiates. Jazz musicians liked getting high but also liked being classy. Being a criminal isn't classy so blacks migrated to the music that glamorized being a criminal. Rock was always a lot more rebellious so it wasn't as big of a problem for whites.
>>130551009 >>130550924 >>130550934 >>130550948 >rap "died" >while simultaneously holding the #1 song, #1 album, and #1 artist in the country explain this logical inconsistency
>>130551028 easy explanation: incels don't live in reality and ignore anything that goes against their headcanon.
>anecdotal tiktok of a black person saying they don't like rap: LOOK SEE RAP IS DYING KEKEKEKEK NOT MUSIC >current billboard showing half of the top 10 is rap: .........................*crickets*............................
>>130551160 wtf is this ageism? kanye release TLOP, his magnum opus, the peak of his cultural relevance, at 40 years old. completely incoherent argument
>>130551263 the fact that rap is still dominated by 40 year olds is a sign its dying, rap most of all has hated old people and embraced youth.
kanye is a retard, no one cares about his music, he is a stunt queen who says or does something outrageous for attention, but he hit the wall, went too far with the hitler stuff, and anyways, dude is almost 50
>>130550158 the people that say "rap is dying" is chronically online nerds who haven't interacted with casual normie people and forget how the world is out there, they don't interact with normies enough time so they think everyone is how in their world is, however just talk to casual people, rap is still very well alive and still has cultural impact
>>130551637 I went to go visit my cousin who's in college a number of times over the past few years. Every campus party we went to was blasting rap. It is still very much relevant.
>>130550924 >>130550934 >>130551028 >rap is being carried by Drake it's dead dude. People were saying the same thing about Rock music by the mid 2000s as it was being carried by shit like Nickelback, now you know how this feels
>>130550795 ... is what a joyless sack of sadness would say C'mon man, lighten up and have some fun for a change. I promise you, rhyming is neither queer nor strange
>>130553867 Kanye solo work was created off of the sound that The Avalanches brought to the mainstream and he's collaborated with other alternative artists since then
>>130554726 >no one is listening to country and you don't live in the South, i take it. btw don't come down here if you hate country and don't want to be subjected to it 24/7.
>>130554317 this but unironically I know white people think Eminem or Tech N9ne rapping fast are impressive and label them as GOATs just for that but it really isn't that impressive if you don't have any substance (+ only the first 2 Eminem albums are good, and Tech N9ne is just straight up garbage most of the time)
>>130550167 the conditions required for poor niggas to learn how to play instruments and thus make jazz don't exist anymore all the way up until the 60s when recorded music started to sound really good, every single entertainment venue needed to have a live band of some kind the larger the venue, the more musicians you needed, too so there was a huge demand for people of all walks of life to learn how to play piano, sax, trumpet, bass, all the traditional instruments, just to fill spots in live bands that huge pool of musicians playing day in and day out because it was their life and livelihood is what created all the jazz greats we know since nobody NEEDS live musicians anymore, restaurants and clubs can easily get a DJ or just put on some employees spotify playlist, learning ANY musical instrument is a rich kid's pastime, not a potential form of social advancement being a genre that requires very high musicianship, jazz is hit very hard by this
>>130550158 Vince is still making his style of rap like it's still 2018 and people are still into blm. He needs to evolve if he wants to stay relevant because that market is dead
>>130550158 >the people that say "rap is dying" is chronically online nerds who haven't interacted with casual normie people and forget how the world is out there, they don't interact with normies enough time so they think everyone is how in their world is, however just talk to casual people, rap is still very well alive and still has cultural impact
>>130555716 >restaurants and clubs can easily get a DJ or just put on some employees spotify playlist
John Philips Sousa famously wrote a rant in 1909 that the gramophone would be the death of music since people didn't need to play instruments for themselves anymore, so that argument has already been done and was discredited.
>>130560495 as for the rest, real problem is not making demented enough music, people are too boring now or something, or maybe too self-aware. all great music is a little bit cartoonish. you do not impress anyone with Phoebe Bridgers's Borders sound system wallpaper.
>>130560561 try compare 21st century R&B to the 50s. this stuff is just lifeless wallpaper. tf is the point of this except background noise at the mall? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF1F2osmOj0
the 50s stuff was funny and LOLsorandumb. that's why music is dead. people forgot how to have fun at some point along the way.
>>130560625 I don't think they were so concerned back then about checking a box on a list to see if the music was safe enough to play at Banana Republic.
>>130560495 people still like to see live music but it's much more of a luxury now, and the people performing live in small bars and clubs do it as hobbyists, not professionals it required recording technology to fully mature before the process started, but I think he was ultimately right
>>130555716 >Learning ANY musical instrument is a rich kid's pastime Instruments were always expensive. What do you think doo-wop was? It was an acapella format for poor black and Italian kids who couldn't afford instruments.
>>130562919 That's the point, instruments and musical education are expensive so for poor people to even consider buying in there has to be a promise of steady work afterwards. This used to be the case, but it has declined ever since the 60s
>>130562919 Instruments are expensive if your garage band thinks they're entitled to a Gibson or other pro equipment when most famous musicians started out with cheap shit.
>>130550202 Most of this is a stretch, but the second to last sentence. There is evidence that similar shit has been done in the past, war on drugs was a roundabout way to target minorities and hippies without the reason explicitly being who they were. Gov stopped pushing so hard when they realized gangsta rap was giving them a good excuse to target minorities and poor because it was selling criminality as culture. They're now not targeting minorities for existing, the targeting is because they're committing crimes while dressing up in colors, which hasn't seemed to be a problem in the eyes of the law.
>>130553450 Humans are social animals, social pressure makes people do fucked up things.
who the fuck is in denial that rap is dying on 4chan? that's what happens when your industry is 3 decades old running on fumes and the 40 year old rappers just gate keep all the young people out
another big factor is that young black people are into shit like anime and manga now which is rarely rap adjacent
What a bullshitter he literally talked about how he wanted the exact opposite when doing his gang banging. These people are just actors playing characters, he's just tap dancing to promote his mid rock album
>>130565633 Black people can't make rock albums. Tyler the Creator tried getting one of his albums to be labeled under the Rock genre and it wasn't allowed. The guy in charge of kendrick lamars label made a post about it when mgks rock album went #1 and questioned why MGK was able to make a rock album but Tyler's albums were stuck being rap albums.
Is all these blacks want in on rock just make rock songs and upload them on free streaming sites so you don't break whatever rap contracts they have. If your fans like the music and stream it the label will eventually allow you to make commercial rock music albums. Go play free sets at warped tour at noon with 10 people in the crowd. STOP BEING LAZY FUCKS AND DO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE DID TO GET STARTED
>>130566002 Tyler should try making an actual rock album so it can be genuinely be labeled as a rock album. Mgks manager replied to that tweet and explained their process of making the album and everything that came with it being rolled out as a rock album. TDE guy congratulated them on the success but basically said Tyler should be able to label his music however he wants even if it's not actual "rock" music. Again people just not willing to put in the work and complaining about discrimination.
>>130550158 The old guard is upset because the culture has changed and a lot of mutts have been produced, but the future of America is the mutt. So fuck them. I can't wait to see Jay Z's continued undoing, ugly fuck. The future is decentralized nobody cares about the publications and shit.
>>130571369 He could have forced them to put it in electronic. Stop being whining pussies and do what needs to be done. Ain't no red carpets being rolled out for anyone. Have a spine and get shit done.
>>130551009 This is complete nonsense lmao. Rap died after USAID shut down. Look it up, there wasn't a single rap song on the charts since June 1st last year