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What concrete evidence is there for classical music being a conservative-dominated interest? I know that the Vienna philharmony excluded women for the longest time, and that Chinese who are culturally conservative are overrepresented among classical musicians, but what other indicators are there?

>>130568887
Classical music is an old people dominated interest and old people skew conservative.

>>130568887
What the hell are you talking about?
>Liberalism was associated with an appreciation
for classical music (r = .38) and jazz (r = .26), whereas conservatism was associated with liking for
country music (r = .21).
https://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/dana_carney/Carney%2C%20Jost%2C%20Gosling.pdf

It's pretty much given that any relatively high-IQ part of culture is associated with liberal/progressive views.

>>130568936
Amuttmico isn't the entire world. Ashkenazim, who are high IQ, dominate classical in the US which skews the stats towards the left.

>>130569014
Broadly speaking, general intelligence positively correlates with leftist/progressive views, as well as classical music appreciation, musical skills, etc. So it is safe to assume that the latter two positively correlate as well.

>>130569073
IQ difference is negligible to nonexistent, meanwhile leftists consistently are way more mentally ill and childless. Also I found out that NYC philharmony excluded women until 1966 when Bernstein introduced the first female musician

>>130569141
>IQ difference is negligible to nonexistent
Incorrect. We are discussing moderate to strong positive correlations.
Childlessness also positively correlates with general intelligence.

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>>130568758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWnyfFgWuVE

>>130568887
you're such a cunt for bringing politics into this.

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Fuck You. I was asking about the source of this which I and my subconsciousness was sure existed, but you niglets replied with farts and other low tier shitposting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laP-F-yqWMo


Yeah i found it after years. it's based on Mendelssohn's Song Without Words op.102 No 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgJg_U3cLHc

YEAH I CAN REST IN PEACE NOW

>>130570101
I stumbled upon your pleas for help while browsing the archives yesterday and then astral projected this knowledge into your mind last night. You're welcome.

>>130570125
lol thanks anon I really appreciate that.

>>130570101
kill yourself, faggot.

>>130569504
Perfection.

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>>130570101
literally the first google result

>>130567009
>Trevor Pinnock
those were the ones i listened to along with the orchestral concertos. they were okay. the famous one was good. i feel like i might have listened to more bach than most people on here at this point, though i probably havent relistened to him as much, which is what counts.

>Passacaglia
i listened to it many times now, still think dorian, great, fantasias, and the chorales arranged for organ are better. your version sounded pretty good.

>St. John Passion
yes the opening had made me listen to all of it. the rest was mostly very boring. those oratios have some gems hidden in there. same with the cantatas, but its always mostly the openings that are good.

>Bach's appeal lies mostly in his domain of counterpoint and structure
although what he is doing sounds complex, with how diatonic he is and how many rules he is following to guarantee good counterpoint, it feels like hes using the same tricks all the time (harmonic marches in fifths for example), and because of those tricks he is never too melodically memorable (unless its those "greatest hits" that dial down the counterpoint) or harmonically interesting.

>>130571134
Is there any diatonic music that you like?

>>130571134
>, still think dorian, great,
What?

Currently hissing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNs3bjozBG0&list=RDYNs3bjozBG0&start_radio=1

>>130572275
Interesting. Good, tasteful conducting. Never heard of this recording before.

>>130571134
>those were the ones i listened to along with the orchestral concertos. they were okay.
why just "okay"?

>i listened to it many times now, still think dorian, great, fantasias, and the chorales arranged for organ are better
How come you found those better? Almost every one who likes his organ work (and I agree the toccatas and fantasias are excellent, Dorian is one of my favorites along the f major toccata) concurs the passacaglia is great, if bwv 538 makes you tick I genuinely don't get how the passacaglia doesn't

>although what he is doing sounds complex, with how diatonic he is and how many rules he is following to guarantee good counterpoint [...] he is never too melodically memorable
do you like his contemporaries? handel especially? if not, it might be the case that you don't find counterpoint interesting on its own, because the prevailing philosophy was. in fact, to make the music structurally taut rather than shoot for immediate melodic appeal. unlike the following classical and romantic periods, they really saw it fit to make a fugue out of basically anything
so if you're looking for the long flowing melodies mozart, chopin, or even beethoven might have written, they do not show up so often in Bach. But it is precisely what he manages to accomplish within those seemingly restrictive counterpunctual rules that make him so memorable. Combining multiple voices that need to follow more or less the same theme into a coherent whole is already difficult, but he manages to make it sublime
https://youtu.be/lP-8C1UF1mE?si=dTBriG7I2jbJ71jf
I've already waxed long enough, but weaving a whole piece from those 4 notes is not a trivial thing to do

also, did you listen to the 6th partita I linked?

>>130572229
he's referring to bwv 538 and bwv 542 (great fantasia and fugue in g minor I believe)

>>130568262
>Only if performed by Cortot
do you just follow whatever opinions that opera obsessed chinese guy posts? cortot's bradenburg 2 has bizarre pauses in the first movement that completely ruin the flow of the piece, not to mention how the orchestra is so thick you can barely follow the counterpoint

>>130567093
Probably Helmut Lachenmann, maybe Earle Brown

>>130567457
Before and after the age of 22

>>130572364
try the first movement too. it's superb.

>>130572695
I did, I was rather disappointed with the pianist. Too synthesized, metronomic phrasing, not a fan. But it was interesting nonetheless, thanks.

>>130572825
too bad. at least you gave someone new (to you) a try. I did enjoy the entire concerto, one of my favorite interpretations. Try out his Rach Paganini, it's incredible.

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Boccherini chad, are you out there? What are your top 3 Boccherini opus numbers?

Any Haydn symphonies that are as glorious as no. 88?

>>130573411
Okay nazi.

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Scarlatti time