>>1502949

“This administration’s plan to dismantle a 120-year-old agency will mean less access to the public forests people rely on, less capacity to reduce [the] intensifying wildfire risk, and more threats to clean air, clean water and wildlife habitat,” said Josh Hicks, the conservation campaigns director for the Wilderness Society.

“Simply put, this reorganization will wreak havoc on the Forest Service management and organization, adding fuel to the unpopular narrative by officials like Senator Mike Lee that public lands should be sold off to private industry.”

The USFS reorganization is “part of the Trump administration’s attack on science and the scientists America depends on for healthy public lands”, Aaron Weiss, the deputy director for the Center for Western Priorities, wrote in a message to the Guardian. “The ecological and institutional knowledge that will be lost by shutting down research stations across the country could take a generation to restore.”

>>1502950
Utah governor Spencer Cox, a Republican, cheered the decision, noting that relocating the agency – whose workforce was gutted by Elon Musk’s “department of government efficiency” cuts – would bring jobs to the state.

“With nearly 90% of Forest Service lands west of the Mississippi, moving the US Forest Service headquarters to Salt Lake City will put leadership closer to the lands, communities, and challenges they manage,” Cox wrote on social media. “It also means hundreds of jobs coming to Utah and better, faster decisions on the ground for the people who rely on our public lands, from ranchers and timber producers to families who work and recreate there.”

The USFS will also consolidate its research facilities across the country into one, located at Fort Collins, Colorado.

Colorado governor Jared Polis, a Democrat, applauded the relocation.

“More than a third of Colorado is federal land including world-class ski areas like Vail and Breckenridge, and having a closer relationship with our federal partners is important to maintaining those lands and the communities around them,” Polis said.

COMING SOON, THE BIGGEST SELL OFF OF NATIONAL PARKS IN HISTORY! DRILL BABY DRILL!

Who asked for this? Who is this intended to benefit?

>>1502958
Trump. Trump.

>Oh no, change
>How will we liggerals ever recover!?
I'm angary!!

>>1502958
The federal government should only focus on war according to Trump. All this other bullshit needs to be under individual state control and responsibility

1) Make money for Trump
2) Keep Trump out of prison
3) Give Trump attention.

>>1502980
Genuinely one of the funniest fuck ups of this fucked up admin seeing Marco Rubio condemn Iran for being an admin that funded its military over its people only for Trump literally like, two days later to say outright the US can't have nice things like universal healthcare or childcare because they need to give even more money to the military.

>>1502985
It’d be interesting to find out if Iran has publicly funded healthcare and childcare, I’d guess they do. They probably have free universities too

>>1502985
Why does the government need to provide for liggerals? Do they eve work?

>>1502987
Why even have a government if not to safeguard the rights of the citizenry?

>>1502988
Sounds like engaging with you will only lead to faggot-brained retardation.
I'm gonna pass this one up. Get a job.

>>1502989
Yeah you better run away

>>1502986
I wouldn't be surprised. Everyone that doesn't see their neighbors as enemies realizes a healthy and well educated populace is a net good for their country. It takes a village to raise a child

>>1502994
Well, I've discussed this before.
>Muh make the government a charity
>Muh raise taxes until no one can live without government assistance
>It's not communism!!
>Don't you have ANY compassion?
>I am very moral!!
MAID or, if you want to be a ward of the state, prison will solve all of your problems.
Leave everyone else alone.

>>1503005
>I unironically bitch about the left wing government raising taxes on everyone to make things unlivable. The orange micropenis I worship used tariffs, taxes on imports, to make things unlivable so he could do a pump-and-dump with the stock market. The party he ran for frequently increases taxes on the middle class to give wealthy people tax cuts and golden parachutes. I don't understand communism, or the difference between it and a social democracy. We already have social programs within our democracy and haven't backslid into communism. Countries with more and better social programs tend to rate higher on happiness index. I'm a huge fucking dumbass, and I love shit-covered orange balls in my mouth.

>>1502985
It's now an actual law for trump to completely undermine whatever defenses or excuses are made for him.

>>1503008
>The orange micropenis I worship used tariffs, taxes on imports, to make things unlivable so he could do a pump-and-dump with the stock market.
Yet you still haven't learned the effects of taxes? Must be hard to be a tard.
IF tariffs are passed to the consumer, then ALL taxes are passed to consumers.
Pretty simple. Only a faggot-brain (or someone complaining simply to try to win an election) wouldn't get it.
>Raise taxes on BILLIONAIRES
>Rent goes up. Inflation rises
>Oh shit, we pay all the billionaires taxes!?
>WTF.png
So, eat a bag of shit, retard.
>Muh money hoarding
>Muh whaever the fuck other retard shit I MADE THE FUCK UP!
Doesn't exist in any real amount.
Peelon Musk, the richest man in the world, is only really rich because he owns ASSETS.
Tax his assets. Tax his businesses and who do you think pays the difference?
You're an irrational retard and no one should listen to you.

>>1503012
>I LOOOOOVE shit-covered orange balls in my mouth.

We heard you thr first time faggot.

>>1503018
My ass is open for business!!!
>MFW when orange shit covered balls in my mouth are preferable to Democrats.
Why can't you assholes be a decent alternative or just die out?

>>1502949
This is a great idea
We need to decentralize the US bureaucracy, and break up washington DC

Blackstone, et al, our new liege Lords, Will be sold some of these forest for pennies an acre to build rentals for us serfs.

>>1503021
Dems can't be a 'decent' alternative because even the shitty corporate dems are leaps and bounds better that the pussies and retards on the right.

>>1502985
>two days later to say outright the US can't have nice things like universal healthcare or childcare because they need to give even more money to the military.
It's a bit worse. He said we can't have medicare, not universal healthcare, as in, even the little bit of security we do have is too much. He also said that we should lower taxes while making sure what remains goes to the war.

>>1503106
Democrats think we can collectively pool money to improve America as a whole.

Republicans claim that we need to spend all our money on unnecessary wars in the middle east for their Israeli masters.

>>1502949
How about shutting down the offices of the federal Reserve?

*Gunshot*

>>1503107
>Republicans claim that we need to spend all our money on unnecessary wars in the middle east for their Israeli masters.
It makes sense if you want to kick off WW3 and end the world so Jesus Christ can return and take you to heaven. Also why you don't invest in any infrastructure or social goods. Like seriously, the evangelicals in my local area argued that we didn't need to fill potholes because the world is going to end by 2030.

>>1503107
Can you imagine pooling our resources to take care of everyone like some commie fag?

I'm a conservative dipshit, and I love the bible! I just read the part where Jesus asked people to bring him loaves and fishes, and he used them to feed everyone!

>>1503110
Donate to your local church.

>>1503124
Or a secular charity. Or vote for social programs so people who need help are just given the help they need, and don't have to depend on people like you being willing and able to give it.

>>1503110
That's a great idea until you let in a billion Indians and mexicans and give billions of money to Somalis that have an average IQ of 70. I would completely get behind you if you also had relentless support Americans first policy

>>1503110
>Jesus asked people to bring him loaves and fishes, and he used them to feed everyone!
Yeah Jesus made a bunch of fish and loaves appear out of thin air. That's why it was a miracle. And you're not Jesus.

>>1503139
>debunked right wing talking point bingo.
We also need more funding for public schools, it's a little ridiculous how stupid we are compared to other nations we're kinda competing with, and how atrocious people are at identifying bad sources.

>>1503110
>I'm a conservative dipshit, and I love the bible!
You are not a conservative, you are a liar, you have never read the bible, and you suffer from suicidal empathy because you are naive to reality

>>1503150
None of that was debunked. You also ignored everything else I said because you just want to an open border and put every third worlder on welfare and expect it to be free

>>1503151
nerd

>>1503151
HOLY FUCKING SHIT! A CONSERVATIVE FIGURED OUT WHEN I SAID "I'M A CONSERVATIVE DIPSHIT" I WASN'T A CONSERVATIVE! STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES, THEY'RE EVOLVING, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THE MOST BASIC, ON-THE-NOSE, GLARINGLY OBVIOUS FORMS OF SARCASM NOW!

I have read the bible, that's how I know it's bullshit. Do you know it claims you can cure a house of leprosy by sprinkling bird blood around it with a different bird? Houses don't get leprosy. Bird blood doesn't cure it.

>>1503145
>I totally missed that the point of the story was Jesus teaching people to pool their resources and take care of each other.
Yeah, I know.
>>1503153
>None of that was debunked.
Literally all of it was. 1 billion immigrants is an unserious figure, get the fuck out of here. The US border has never been open. Undocumented immigrants largely do not receive government benefits, and contribute more than they receive in taxes. You're a subhuman monster for your outrage at desperate people who need help getting it, VS. the money that goes to the real welfare queens, like walmart using welfare to subsidize its work force, or big corporations getting bailed out.

>>1503108
Sending agencies to Salt Lake City is Trump’s job now…

>>1503168
>Literally all of it was.
There are about 30-70million illegal immigrants in the USA. They generate roughly 90bil in taxes, but cost about 170bil in taxes. They also lower wages and reduce the availability of jobs, raise the cost of property rental and ownership, grant excess house of representative seats to "sanctuary states" which gives them more voting power over other citizens and gives voting power to noncitizens by proxy.
The cost of their tax deficit is the shortfalls of education budgets for schools because of immigrant children, budget shortfalls of medicare/medicaid (just google your local state covered budget for immigrant insurance, mine is 30mil which is 9mil over budget in CT, which is in new fucking england, and even there its a lie because thats not counting the monthly stipends hospitals get for emergency care for the transient thats used on illegals)

>>1503168
>Do you know it claims you can cure a house of leprosy by sprinkling bird blood around it with a different bird?
>Leviticus
Cool it with the antisemitism, OK?

>>1503196
The numbers you’re using don’t match credible estimates.

Most research groups like the Pew Research Center and the Department of Homeland Security put the undocumented population around 10 to 11 million. Even higher-end estimates are closer to 15 million, not 30 to 70 million.

On the fiscal side, where does the $170 billion cost come from? That figure usually counts services used by U.S.-born children while only counting taxes paid by undocumented immigrants, which inflates the result.

Estimates vary, but the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy puts tax contributions around $90 to $100 billion per year. Costs are debated. Some studies find tens of billions in state and local spending, mostly education and emergency care. Others, including work cited by the Congressional Budget Office, show the net impact depends heavily on assumptions and is not a clear large deficit.

On jobs and wages, the National Academies of Sciences finds small, localized effects, mostly among low-wage workers, not broad job loss. Immigration also increases demand and economic activity.

On representation, the U.S. Census Bureau counts total population, but undocumented immigrants are a small share and do not significantly shift House seats on their own.

Undocumented immigrants also are not limited to one political side. About 57 percent live in blue states and 43 percent in red states, including large populations in Texas and Florida.

If you have a source for the $170 billion figure or the higher population estimate, I’d like to see it, since those claims do not line up with most data.

They’re shuttering all the research offices too which is a fucking travesty.

>>1502955
I think this is the actual goal, and with a big fat finder's fee to yours truly once the deal goes through (most of it will be snapped up by datacenters)

>>1503151
>you have never read the bible,
Yes Trump 3:16 says "Thou may make Scamcoins and sell off national assets for personal finder's fees and tax breaks". Kenneth Copeland told me that on his show where he poses in front of his private airliner (also a tax break)

>>1503489
someone make this guy moderator, he's got what it takes.

>>1503496
with a big fat finder's fee for finding such talent

>>1503483
Jesus christ.

>>1503418
The illegal population was like 8-10 million back in 2010, mostly mexican. Since then we've released 7-8 million from who the fuck knows which jungle, burned my passport I mean it was stolenistan, and I am south amelican slantville. All coming through the south border, dropped off by cartels they pay 5-8k to, and worse if theyre female.
Theres probably 400k-2million overstayed visa's gumming up the immigration courts with their 4rd appeal on the 15th continuance.
The guestimate for uncaught border crossings since 1980 is 24million.

I can't remember where the $170bil comes from but yes it does include the US born citizen children of illegal immigrants who are used to get medicare, food stamps, housing assistance, job training etc for their adult illegal immigrant parents. It also took into account remittances because that money wasn't being returned to the local economy but extracted. Not even to mention the large percent that work under the table and dont pay taxes. Yes they do generate $90bil in taxes (mostly with stolen SSN's), but thats barely half the cost. Theres a limit to how much a local system can take of that before the cracks start to show.

Yes, the poorest low wage workers are affected the most. I didn't say broad job loss, I said low availability and low wages. Competing with people working for under minimum wage/under the table is impossible.

Undocumented immigrants 57/43. Texas maybe, Florida though? Are you sure you aren't mixing up legal hispanic immigrants(cubans if they touched american soil), americans of hispanic descent(tejanos and other spaniards naturalized in land purchases from spain incl. florida) and illegal immigrants.

>>1502951
>Local duke of the barren wasteland praises the annihilation of pristine idyllic woodlands.
>His drooling minions had famously destroyed multiple other beloved treasures against the expressed will of his subjects.
>"This will make my estate fabulously wealthy." he said as he greedily rubbed his cold skeletal hands together in a vain attempt to produce the semblance of life-giving warmth.
>Our loyal and trustworthy rangers will be banished to a singular spit of land where they are powerless to stop what is coming.
>A second skin-walking shape-shifter, who's current countenance appeared gentle and human-like, said it was ecstatic about the exile.
>"The peoplesssssss land will be presssssserved foolish mortals. Stay asleep." The reptilian facsimile hissed.

>>1503150
>Money solves idiocy
Not true.

>>1503511
Notice how you have no fucking sources for any of this.

>>1503511
>Texas maybe, Florida though? Are you sure you aren't mixing up legal hispanic immigrants(cubans if they touched american soil), americans of hispanic descent(tejanos and other spaniards naturalized in land purchases from spain incl. florida) and illegal immigrants.
>Florida doesn't have a massive illegal population
my fucking sides. You know jack shit.

>>1503511
>The illegal population was like. . . .
So you're just totally pulling this info out of your ass, huh? The idea that you think 1/3 of the people in this country are Undocumented and that it's a good and sustainable idea to deport that many people is fucking insane.

>I can't remember where the $170bil
Oh, that's really fucking convenient for you!

>it does include the US born citizen children of illegal immigrants.

Oh. So that money is going to American citizens and their families. So you're full of shit.

>that money wasn't being returned to the local economy

Cool, so that's also wrong, because when those kids grow up the do put money back into the economy.

>Yes they do generate $90bil in taxes (mostly with stolen SSN's)

100 billion. More than half of the made up number you had to manipulate the data to arrive at. They don't mostly pay with stolen socials, not, they pay with ITINs.

>I didn't say broad job loss, I said low availability and low wages.

Cool, so we're talking about horrible jobs nobody wants that Americans won't do.

>Florida though?

You don't think there is a large Undocumented population in Florida?

I see what happened here
. You never considered this argument and your ass just got spanked, so you're trying to pivot. Classic conservative bullshit.

People are laughing at how dumb you are:>>1503524
>>1503526

You know what? I'll take a page out of your playbook here. Concession accepted.

Are illegal immigrants hiding in the forests?

>>1503520
>Schools aren't underfunded, and that doesn't impact the quality of education.
Not true.

>>1503540
They aren't underfunded in the under-performing states, therefore you're a fuck tard.
And if so, what is it about money that makes one educated?
How much does it cost to read?

>>1503543
>Textbooks don't cost money. I'm a fucking moron.

>>1503557
Are you saying schools don't have textbooks?

>>1503605
Yeah, a lot don't.

>>1503605
nta but it's a known problem, especially in underfunded districts, that a lot of schools are stuck with out of date, inaccurate, or outright decaying textbooks. And before you say "Don't everyone got it on they damn phones now", remember this particularly affects poorer areas where a decent amount of the student body doesn't have smartphones or laptops and the schools themselves can't afford a computer lab.

>>1503608
NTA but I remember being in highschool and having one textbook per class. The teacher made up for this by having everybody pass the damned thing around and each student read a paragraph aloud.

>>1503607
>>1503608
>>1503609
No wonder you blue state faggots are so fucking retarded.

>>1503638
is reality flipped on its head to you because you were dropped on yours?

>>1503608
How much could a textbook cost? $8 or $12 max.

>>1503639
>reality
lol

>>1503638
>>1503640
Good god, you guys really don’t know anything about anything.

>>1503644
Darn you didn't fall for it.
Anytime the subject of school books comes up I'm reminded of the time that Florida was "banning" books.
One of my favorite late night comedians (propagandists), Stephen Colbert, of Paramount's Late Show, featured Lavar Burton of Reading Rainbow and Paramount's Star Trek as one of the guests
The topic was "banned books". The featured book was "banned" because the state of Florida didn't buy the educational materials.
And guess who owned the company that produced those materials? A paramount held company that it was seeking to offload.
>>>1503643
4. The educational industrial complex

>>1503646
god you're esl

>>1503646
>The topic was "banned books". The featured book was "banned" because the state of Florida didn't buy the educational materials.
No it was banned in that they refused to let it be in school libraries. It wasn't just "They can't buy it", it was "They are removing it even if they already bought it" you fucking retard.

>>1502980
Unless those states choose a course of action that Trump doesn't like, in which case it should be under his sole authority.

>>1503649
No, the book featured was a whole learning course by a subsidiary of Paramount that Florida didn't purchase.

>>1503653
Sanctuary Cities is a good example

conservatives are evil. everything in the world is only seen in terms of its value in shekels.

>>1503720
IF true, please explain what do liggerals see the world in terms of?

>>1503727
who cares, shitlibs are merely stupid. conservatives are evil.

>>1503662
Name names retard.