Because Hernandez was actually originally involved in that murder case, Kolasinski also modified his earlier statements where he originally said the ICE shooting Tuesday about 6:30 a.m. along Interstate Highway 5 by ICE officers, appeared to be a case of mistaken identity.

Possibly of note, Cindy mentioned that her boyfriend was stopped on Friday in Turlock by police for having a cracked windshield on her car.

The police officers, he told her, were rude to him and took down all of his information. Cindy said she wonders if details about him were gathered that day and used by ICE.

"I do believe probably the incident is coming from there," she said.

There is no immediate evidence to indicate that Turlock police communicated anything with ICE, but California is a sanctuary state.

Hernandez was injured in the shooting in Patterson, where he lives, and was taken to Doctor's Medical Center in Modesto. But his exact condition isn't known because his family hasn't been allowed to see him.

Based on this new information about the murder acquittal, Kolasinski said it now looks like ICE got information that "doesn't add up."

Hernandez is a dual citizen of El Salvador and Mexico.

He has a 2-year-old daughter born in the United States with his American fiancé, Cindy, who didn't want her last name used. He works rehabbing fire-damaged homes. He was en route to the Bay Area for a job when he was shot.

Kolasinski added that Hernandez's immigration status is unclear right now, as he hasn't been able to speak to his client. As far as Kolasinski knows, Hernandez is not being detained by ICE.

Kolasinski added that he is not even sure Hernandez is being held by anyone, or if he is even conscious in the hospital. He said he's been stonewalled on every front in trying to find out information, adding that he would like to "resolve this in a sane and rational way."

>>1504470
>as far as he knows
Huehuehue

Kolasinski told KTVU he was retained Tuesday about 5 p.m. – roughly eight hours after the shooting – and has been scrambling to get details ever since.

What they're saying:

ICE did not respond to Kolasinki's narrative, and referred all questions on Wednesday to the Department of Homeland Security, which didn't immediately respond for comment.

But the lawyer's story seems to contradict at least some of what ICE put out following the shooting.

In a statement, Acting ICE Director Todd Lyons said that officers were conducting a targeted operation, seeking Hernandez, whom they called an 18th Street gang member from El Salvador who they wanted to question in connection with a murder, which they didn't elaborate on.

ICE never stated it had a warrant for Hernandez's arrest, or that he committed a murder; only that he was wanted for questioning for one.

Lyons emphasized in his statement that ICE officers shot at Hernandez because he "weaponized his vehicle" and drove at the officers.

The FBI is now investigating the shooting.

A motorist provided dashcam video showing one angle of what happened.

Different people see the video in different ways, although it is clear that Hernandez was trying desperately to evade law enforcement.

What the video shows is officers standing with Hernandez on the side of the road, when at some point, he backs up his small black car and then puts it into drive, making a hard left to conduct a U-turn across the center median. One officer is seen hopping out of the way.

At least two of the officers have weapons drawn, pointing at the car.

The video has no sound, and it's unclear when the shots were fired and if words were said.

While ICE said the car was "weaponized," Kolasinski said when he watched the video, all he thought of was Renee Good, the woman killed by ICE in Minneapolis while driving away in her car.

Hernandez is doing everything he can to back away, Kolansinksi said, adding that he's not advocating for people to evade police.

"It's natural for him to try to flee," he said. "It's a human reaction."

The problem is the training that ICE officers receive, Kolasinksi said, and the fear ICE has instilled among many nationwide.

The California Highway Patrol conducts dangerous stops all the time and they don't shoot people like that, Koansinksi said.

"ICE's own training puts the community in danger," he said.

If someone jumps in front of my car and points a gun at me I’m probably going to try and run them over. I don’t know for sure, never been in that situation, but I think it’s the best chance for survival, maybe do a little controlled double swerve so he loses his aim and just floor it

>>1504611
This happened during BLM and drivers were convicted for doing this same thing.

and Democrats wonder why they lose elections.

>>1504679
That's because you're not allowed to protect yourself from rioting leftists. Notice how everyone who did in 2020 was charged with a crime?

>>1504679
>This happened during BLM and drivers were convicted for doing this same thing.
1. The driver in question shot their victim.
2. Their victim wasn't in front of their vehicle or brandishing a weapon.
3. The driver in question literally wrote beforehand that he was going out to kill protesters.
4. The driver in question literally drove into a crowd of protesters.
5. The driver in question got a pardon.
6. Shut your whore mouth, you disingenuous, lying sack of shit.

>>1504679
>during BLM
You mean the Boogaloo Riots?

>>1504685
>The driver
There was more than one person this happened to anon. And Daniel Perry shot a guy who flagged him with a rifle while he was surrounded by an angry mob.
Here's another fun story.
>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10265035/NYC-woman-hit-BLM-protestors-rejects-plea-deal-favor-trial.html
Everybody supporting BLM during that summer was tacitly supporting anti-white lynch mobs. I hope ICE goes harder.

>>1504690
>>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10265035/NYC-woman-hit-BLM-protestors-rejects-plea-deal-favor-trial.html
Yeah so fun fact; this woman ultimately took a plea deal and apologized. Turns out she actually hit tons of people literally facing away from her and was absolutely at fault.

>>1504690
You're next, whitey

>>1504679
Liar

>>1504685
>4. The driver in question literally drove into a crowd of protesters.
I see you're still pushing this lie.

>>1504792
Bitch all you want, dude was convicted. In Texas.

>>1504804
Lie all you want, I'll be here to correct you again and again. He didn't drive into a crowd of protesters. In fact, his car didn't make contact with a single person as he was slowly turning right at the intersection and immediately stopping because there was a crowd of retards standing in the road.

If you're going to go with that standard that he 'literally drove into a crowd of protesters' then that means the shooting of Renee Good was 100 and 10% justified. She at least made contact with her vehicle and another person while driving away - unlike Perry.

>>1504692
Contrary to what leftist lawmakers may tell you, a lynch mob does actually constitute a threat against your life.

>>1504808
>She at least made contact with her vehicle
No she didn't lmao.

Also, intent matters; his own texts showed outright his only reason for being there was to have an excuse to kill someone.

>>1504808
See
>>1504804
>Bitch all you want, dude was convicted. In Texas.

>>1504934
>No she didn't lmao.
Yeah she did lmao.

>Also, intent matters; his own texts showed outright his only reason for being there was to have an excuse to kill someone.
Yeah his texts that weren't specific to that street he was allegedly (((driving into a crowd of protesters))) at? That he had no idea would even be there? A vague text about having to shoot retard Antifags because they're going around vandalizing, assaulting, shooting, and killing Americans?

Let me demonstrate how retarded you are with this stance:

Ahem... "If any BLM/Antifa cocksucker tries this shit in my state and wants to pull me out of my car I'm going to magdump the faggots."

Now go ahead and use that quote in my trial six months from now when some lefty faggot points an AK-47 at me and I have to cap his ass before he shoots me.

>>1504942
>>Bitch all you want, dude was convicted. In Texas.
In a trial where the prosecution allowed for the jury to be tainted, with one of the jurors sharing details about the case before the trial even started and none of them were dismissed.

>>1504997
>...when some lefty faggot points an AK-47 at me and I have to cap his ass before he shoots me. I masturbate to the idea of killing people 'defending' myself because I'm a giant faggot with no sense of control over my own pathetic life. I'm an emotionally stunted little bitch. My arsenal helps me feel better about my micropenis.

>that means the shooting of Renee Good was 100 and 10% justified.

110%. That's how a native English speaker would write that, unless they were so fucking stupid they had to spell things phonetically, which... oh yeah, checks out.

> A vague text about having to shoot retard Antifags because they're going around vandalizing, assaulting, shooting, and killing Americans?

Antifags? So THAT's why you hate them so much.

>>1504998
>waaaaah this dumb boomer said some stupid 'don't mess with Texas' meme posts on social media a month ago, what do you mean that isn't proof?!?
Cry harder faggot.

>>1505001
>Impotent seething

>>1505003
>implying
lol. Perry is free and Foster is dead.

>>1504470
Democrats and liberals have really fucked the entire world over, haven't they? Here's someone who is likely a hitman for a cartel, casually strolling into this country and doing cartel activities, and every blue politician, judge, and voter is saying he dindu nuffin and ignore the fact that he shouldn't have been allowed in with connections to cartel activity period.

>Hernandez and his fiancé, Cindy,
Oh cool and soon he'll squirt out a few Anchor babies as well! Proud americans just like you and me, maybe he can teach them to give them an el salvador necklace just like he did to those people he killed in the country he shouldn't have been allowed to leave.

This is literal asymmetric warfare against the poor. If anyone did the same thing who was a citizen in our country, the entirety of the legal system would stomp them with a 30 ton boot and they would get next to zero representation. Mob hitman in another country which never built a functioning boat that could leave its shores, a functioning bank which could fund its industry, or a functioning government who could create a safe population, gets a plane ticket using tools white people gave him to fly to a white country and start shit.

And this is happening literally everywhere, and nobody cares. Fuck poor people, we only care about poor IMMIGRANT people, that's the democrat way. Republicans, meanwhile, only care about poor Jewish people.

>>1504998
>>1504997
The fact two Americans, one probably much browner than the other, need to have this argument is proof the system has failed already. We can't even agree that murder is bad because none of the flood coming in also think that. In their countries, a child can be raised from cradle to school for less than it costs to purchase a used car, and all of them can buy plane tickets and fly over here to start shit with our federal agencies for less than it costs for a native American couple to put one kid through college.

And one of you thinks that's a bad thing, the other thinks that's a good thing. The reality is that this conversation shouldn't be happening, period. They were allowed in by a white person in the loop somewhere which gave them the means to come here. Your beef is with them.

>>1505016
you sure love pretending to be white and american

>>1504997
>Now go ahead and use that quote in my trial six months from now when some lefty faggot points an AK-47 at me and I have to cap his ass before he shoots me.
Very funny how you say that meanwhile this guy got convicted
>"but muh tainted jury"
Still got convicted retard. If that was valid he would've gotten it overturned on that basis. Instead Republicans had to pardon a murderer because he did violence they approved of.

>>1505014
>Here's someone who is likely a hitman for a cartel, casually strolling into this country and doing cartel activities, and every blue politician, judge, and voter is saying he dindu nuffin and ignore the fact that he shouldn't have been allowed in with connections to cartel activity period.
The trial, where he got acquitted, literally found no connection to him and gang activity. In fact of the 10 people being accused during it, only a single one was alleged to be part of a gang and it wasn't him.

>>1505031
>If that was valid he would've gotten it overturned on that basis.
If it wasn't in Austin, TX you'd have a point. This is the same city that had to be forced by Abbott to pay their cops after that whole defund the police movement caused them to break their record for homicides before the end of the next year. But please try to argue with me how Austin isn't the California of Texas.

>>1505035
>But muh blue stronghold
Excuses excuses. At no point did he even try to get it excluded on those grounds. Abbott pardoned a murderer because he approved of the murder.

>>1505036
>Excuses excuses. At no point did he even try to get it excluded on those grounds.
No his lawyers did try, and were turned down because democrats don't give a fuck.
>Abbott pardoned a murderer because he approved of the murder.
At least Perry had to be pardoned. Matthew Dolloff executed a man in Colorado and for some odd reason prosecutors didn't think there was enough evidence to go to trial for a guy who shot a man in the chest after he was slapped in the face, in broad daylight, in a crowd, with cameras, and police nearby. I'm sure it had nothing to do with Matty's support of BLM.

Now we're even.

>>1505037
>I don't care about justice, I care about scorekeeping. I'm a stupid fuck.

>>1505037
>No his lawyers did try, and were turned down because democrats don't give a fuck.
Oh wow, so it wasn't a valid defense and the charges stood?

>Matthew Dolloff executed a man in Colorado and for some odd reason prosecutors didn't think there was enough evidence to go to trial for a guy who shot a man in the chest after he was slapped in the face
No, they didn't think there was enough evidence because the guy he shot was spraying him in the face with bear spray right after starting the confrontation by smacking him in the face. You can't argue "well it wasn't self defense" when there is literally a photo showing him getting blasted in the eyes right before he shot him. Keltner was a retard who was started swinging at people and then went to blind someone when he told him to stop.

>>1505038
>>I don't care about justice,
>from the people who don't care about justice
lol

>>1505039
>Oh wow, so it wasn't a valid defense and the charges stood?
Apparently juries can share details about the case with other jurors and bias the entire thing before it starts in blue territory. It's almost as if we have different laws and standards depending on who you vote for.

>No, they didn't think there was enough evidence because the guy he shot was spraying him in the face with bear spray right after starting the confrontation by smacking him in the face.
1) pepper spray is not a lethal weapon
and
2) Dolloff was already reaching for his pistol after getting slapped in the face and shot him in the chest.

>You can't argue "well it wasn't self defense" when there is literally a photo showing him getting blasted in the eyes right before he shot him.
Except there isn't you lying fuck. Keltner was shot in the chest as he was spraying from eight feet away.

>Keltner was a retard who was started swinging at people
Slapping someone in the face doesn't mean you can shoot them. Lrn2UseOfForceContinuum

>and then went to blind someone when he told him to stop.
Which is made up bullshit from you. Dolloff didn't tell him to stop. He got slapped and immediately pulled out his glock and plugged Keltner in the chest.

>>1504685
stfu lying faggot

>>1504685
>2. Their victim wasn't in front of their vehicle or brandishing a weapon.
>except for the loaded AK-47 in his hands

>>1505041
>Apparently juries can share details about the case with other jurors and bias the entire thing before it starts in blue territory. It's almost as if we have different laws and standards depending on who you vote for.
Sounds like hearsay considering it didn't actually get the charges dismissed.

>1) pepper spray is not a lethal weapon
Kelter already showed enough aggression that him spraying something was a sufficient threat. How was he supposed to know it was JUST pepper spray? Don't fucking spray people with a gun after you already smacked them.

>2) Dolloff was already reaching for his pistol after getting slapped in the face and shot him in the chest.
Yeah so after the guy assaulted him. At which point instead of backing off, our retard here decided the best idea was to immediately escalate even further by trying to blind him.

>Dolloff didn't tell him to stop. He got slapped and immediately pulled out his glock and plugged Keltner in the chest.
Learn full context retard. Kelter had already slapped the phone out of another protestor's hand and started threatening him. Dolloff, who was working as a bodyguard, stepped in and then Kolter decided to attack him too.

Btw I think it is fucking hilarious that you're out here arguing that your guy who got convicted is actually innocent, while the guy who they didn't even have enough to go to trial is actually guilty. Legally, this is settled; Dolloff acted in self defense, and Perry is a murderer.

>>1505043
>>except for the loaded AK-47 in his hands
Legal open carry, retard.

>>1505044
>Kelter already showed enough aggression that him spraying something was a sufficient threat.
lol no that's not how that works, retard. I don't get to shoot people for having pepper spray.

>How was he supposed to know it was JUST pepper spray?
Further showing that he didn't know whether Keltner was a threat or not.

>Don't fucking spray people with a gun after you already smacked them.
Don't shoot and kill people you intentionally provoke just because they slap you - unless you're a BLM sucking democrat in blue territory, then it's okay.

>Yeah so after the guy assaulted him.
And backed away at least eight feet, not a threat even if you wanted to try to argue that being bitch-slapped was somehow a threat to life (it isn't).

>At which point instead of backing off, our retard here decided the best idea was to immediately escalate even further by trying to blind him.
1) which still isn't lethal force
and
2) Dolloff already had his pistol out and was shooting him.

>Learn full context retard.
Holy projection Batman.

>Kelter had already slapped the phone out of another protestor's hand and started threatening him.
So? None of this justifies shooting him.

>Dolloff, who was working as a bodyguard, stepped in
And deliberately got face-to-face with Keltner, talked shit, got slapped, and in a fit of rage pulled out his pistol and shot Keltner even though he backed away.

>Btw I think it is fucking hilarious that you're out here arguing that your guy who got convicted is actually innocent, while the guy who they didn't even have enough to go to trial is actually guilty.
The point that you're dodging is there's a clear double-standard. Every single person in 2020 who defended themselves from BLM/Antifaggots was charged with a crime and had to go to trial, or plead guilty (the McCloskeys). Even obvious self-defense cases like Rittenhouse still had to go to trial.

It doesn't work the other way. Dolloff didn't even go to trial. Because blue state.

>>1505045
>he thinks threatening someone with a rifle is acceptable open carry

>>1505048
The only person claiming that Perry's victim pointed his gun at him was Perry himself. All the other eyewitnesses said otherwise.

>>1505047
>lol no that's not how that works, retard. I don't get to shoot people for having pepper spray.
No but stand your ground applies if someone assaults you then pulls out pepper spray to blind you.

>Further showing that he didn't know whether Keltner was a threat or not.
So now you're supposed to wait to see if the guy is moving to blind you or not?

>And backed away at least eight feet, not a threat even if you wanted to try to argue that being bitch-slapped was somehow a threat to life (it isn't).
And promptly took out a something to blind him with.

>2) Dolloff already had his pistol out and was shooting him.
Not true because you can literally see he'd already sprayed before Dolloff shot.

>And deliberately got face-to-face with Keltner, talked shit, got slapped, and in a fit of rage pulled out his pistol and shot Keltner even though he backed away.
You're literally admitted Kelter assaulted him first. And this was AFTER Kelter was already fucking with someone else and slapped his phone out of his hand.

>The point that you're dodging is there's a clear double-standard
Not really; Dolloff was obvious self defense. Even Rittenhouse had more extraneous circumstances because you retards love talking about how much you want to kill protestors and people you don't like, then "oh no I had no choice but to shoot them". That shit gets you investigated because it shows premeditation that now needs to be sorted out in court.

>>1505052
The mob of BLM supporters said their fellow comrade in the street dindu nuffin? Oh wow! Tell me more.

>>1505054
>No no all the other eyewitnesses must by lying!
>Believe the guy who literally had texts saying he wanted an excuse to shoot them

>>1505053
>No but stand your ground applies if someone assaults you then pulls out pepper spray to blind you.
... That doesn't mean you can shoot them. Oh my God, you retard. Stand your ground doesn't equal I can kill anyone who makes me upset.

Y'know what? Elaborate more on how stand your ground applies here. I want to hear your take on this (this'll be hilarious).

>So now you're supposed to wait to see if the guy is moving to blind you or not?
1) which Dolloff dindu
and
2) where is the threat to life or serious bodily harm from Keltner?

>And promptly took out a something to blind him with.
So not a threat to his life?

You know what the best part of all this is? You're trying to argue that Keltner having pepper spray means it's okay to shoot him, but Foster brandishing an AK-47 at Perry isn't.

>Not true because you can literally see he'd already sprayed before Dolloff shot.
But that's wrong you fucking retard. Dolloff shot him in the chest as he was spraying.

... which he was able to do so accurately because he wasn't blinded by pepper spray? Right? lol

>You're literally admitted Kelter assaulted him first.
Yeah, and? That doesn't mean you can shoot him.

>And this was AFTER Kelter was already fucking with someone else and slapped his phone out of his hand.
STILL doesn't mean you can shoot them. In fact, I wish this was the standard because then Rittenhouse, Baca, and several others wouldn't have ever been charged with a crime. Imagine being able to legally shoot an Antifaggot that tries to 'punch a nazi'. I'm sold! Let's make this a law right now.

>Not really; Dolloff was obvious self defense.
LMAOKEK From a guy who wasn't a threat to his life.

>Even Rittenhouse had more extraneous circumstances
You mean the 17 year old kid who was already shot at, chased by a pedo, hit in the head with a skateboard, and had a faggot point another gun at him - while being chased by an angry mob... That to you is less obvious self-defense than Dolloff???

I can't even

>>1505056
>muh facebook posts a month ago!!!
Yeah it's not as if Foster was talking shit about shooting right-wingers hours before his deat- OH WAIT A MINUTE HE DID

>>1505054
you're the one who initiated this shill talking point, you tell us more

>>1505056
>Believe the guy who literally had texts saying he wanted an excuse to shoot them
That wasn't an unpopular opinion in 2020. People were getting killed in the streets and jail was turned into a revolving door for violent retards.

>>1505062
>right wingers wanting to commit crimes isn't an unpopular opinion
okay

>>1505056
Did Matthew Dolloff have any social media posts or phone texts?

>>1505059
>Y'know what? Elaborate more on how stand your ground applies here. I want to hear your take on this (this'll be hilarious).
I literally don't have to; this is settled law. Pepper Spray is considered non-lethal force but is still considered a weapon; combined with the fact he was the one who fired first, started the confrontation beforehand, and smacked Dolloff, no wonder it got deemed clear cut self defense.

Also, important context here that you're missing: KELTNER WAS ALSO ARMED WITH A GUN. Retard goes for something on his waist after already hitting Dolloff once and he's supposed to know it ISN'T his pistol?

>>1505066
>I literally don't have to
No anon, you CAN'T. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, you just got called out, and now you're backing out like a pussy.

>Pepper Spray is considered non-lethal force but is still considered a weapon;
Not a lethal weapon, which doesn't justify lethal force.

AND HERE'S THE BEST PART:
I looked at the fucking photos again. Know what's interesting? Keltner was holding that can of pepper spray in his right hand the whole time. So why the fuck didn't Dolloff pull out his gun and shoot him then? In fact, why did Dolloff get in Keltner's face while Keltner was holding a (((deadly))) can of pepper spray?

Maybe because he wasn't in fear for his life? LMAO

>Also, important context here that you're missing: KELTNER WAS ALSO ARMED WITH A GUN.
[citation needed]

please don't feed the esl shill

>>1505068
>Not a lethal weapon, which doesn't justify lethal force.
But it is A weapon, which if Dolloff reasonably believed was going to result in him being seriously harmed seeing as Keltner literally just attacked him means he was justified. BTW great darwin award he earned smacking someone with a fucking gun.

>[citation needed]
>https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/us/denver-protest-shooting-security-guard-license
>He was shot in an area near a police support rally and counterprotest on Saturday. A verbal altercation occurred before the shooting and two guns and a can of Mace were recovered at the scene, Denver police Investigations Division Chief Joe Montoya said Saturday

>>1505071
>But it is A weapon, which if Dolloff reasonably believed was going to result in him being seriously harmed
Then why didn't he shoot him earlier? Why did he get into Keltner's face and push against him? Why did he wait until after he was slapped to decide that can of pepper spray he was holding in his right hand LONG before Matthew showed up was a deadly weapon?

Because you're full of shit.

Also speaking of full of shit:
>Police said they recovered two firearms from the scene but did not confirm who they belonged to.
So to confirm, you do not have any proof that Keltner was armed with a gun.

lol when you recover from this post, try to explain what the fuck stand your ground had to do with anything.

>>1505072
how many times have you derailed threads this way, shill anon?

>>1505071
>But it is A weapon, which if Dolloff reasonably believed was going to result in him being seriously harmed seeing as Keltner literally just attacked him means he was justified.
>I'm justified in shooting someone holding a can of mace
>you're not justified to shoot someone leveling an AK-47 at you
lol democrats

>>1505074
why are you loling anon, you're trying to convince us you're a victim

>>1505072
>Then why didn't he shoot him earlier?
The fact he didn't literally hurts your case. Dolloff only resorted to lethal force when Keltner tried to disable him and make him unable to fight back.

>Why did he get into Keltner's face and push against him?
He didn't. Keltner did and then he stepped between the two. The entire confrontation was initiated by Keltner.

>So to confirm, you do not have any proof that Keltner was armed with a gun.
>https://ds-pages.swarthmore.edu/2020-in-perspective/richardson-00BD.html
>What can't be seen because Keltner's clothing is so dark, is that Keltner himself was armed with a gun that was positioned underneath his left arm.
Also Dolloff was visibly only armed with one gun. Do the math.

>lol when you recover from this post, try to explain what the fuck stand your ground had to do with anything.
He threatened Dolloff and other protestors repeatedly and physically struck two of them before going for pepper spray. That shows pretty clear intent to harm that would've followed the spraying. Even in the immediate afterwards one of the people Dolloff was bodyguarding said he was scared the guy was about to attack him after he sprayed.

>>1505074
Ak-47 wasn't pointed at him. Pepper spray literally was fired at Dolloff.

Again, you're arguing this even though one was deemed self defense and one was deemed murder in court.

>>1505077
>The fact he didn't literally hurts your case.
So let me see if I get this straight... According to you, this can of pepper spray was a deadly weapon that justifies shooting Keltner... but he didn't shoot him, try to disarm him, yell for the police that were standing less than 30 yards away, etc. the whole time Keltner was holding this "dangerous" weapon. It wasn't until Keltner slapped Dolloff that he decided Keltner was enough of a threat that he needed to be shot... This hurts my case how???

>Dolloff only resorted to lethal force when Keltner tried to disable him and make him unable to fight back.
Except that Dolloff shot Keltner as he was spraying. So before Keltner decided to use that can of pepper spray, Dolloff was grabbing his pistol, conveniently AFTER being bitch-slapped.

>He didn't.
He did.
>What can't be seen because Keltner's clothing is so dark, is that Keltner himself was armed with a gun that was positioned underneath his left arm.
[citation needed]
>Also Dolloff was visibly only armed with one gun. Do the math.
How about you provide an actual reliable source beyond some college freshman's homework?

>He threatened Dolloff and other protestors repeatedly and physically struck two of them before going for pepper spray.
Rather than point out the many flaws in this sentence, I'm just going to ask what the fuck does this have to do with Stand Your Ground?
>That shows pretty clear intent to harm that would've followed the spraying.
Which has what to do with Stand Your Ground?
>Even in the immediate afterwards one of the people Dolloff was bodyguarding said he was scared the guy was about to attack him after he sprayed.
Which has WHAT to do with stand your ground?

>>1505082
god you're esl

>>1505078
>Ak-47 wasn't pointed at him.
He was brandishing it towards Perry.
>Pepper spray literally was fired at Dolloff.
Which isn't deadly.
>Again, you're arguing this even though one was deemed self defense
In a blue state, protecting one of their own.
>and one was deemed murder in court.
In a blue city, punishing someone who isn't left-wing. Thank God for Abbott.

>>1505084
you can stop pretending to be multiple posters now esl shill

>>1505082
>How about you provide an actual reliable source beyond some college freshman's homework?
Use your brain fuckwit. Two guns were recovered. Dolloff only had one.

>Dolloff was grabbing his pistol, conveniently AFTER being bitch-slapped.
Keep trying to say why a guy didn't deserve to get ventilated after striking someone with a gun after multiple threats.

>Which has what to do with Stand Your Ground?
Stand your ground allows you to shoot if you feel you or others are in danger. Kultner openly threatened Dolloff and his fellow protestors and assaulted two people before moving to disable the only person able to defend himself.

>>1505087
>Use your brain fuckwit. Two guns were recovered. Dolloff only had one.
So you don't have an actual source. Got it.

>Keep trying to say why a guy didn't deserve to get ventilated after striking someone with a gun after multiple threats.
1) Dolloff was concealed carrying.
2) Uh yeah... you literally aren't supposed to shoot people just because they slap you. I actually wish the law followed your standard, because then anyone who tries to 'punch a nazi' would be justifiably shot and killed around the country. All of you Antifa goblins using mob tactics to assault people in the streets would be cleared to get lit up.

>Stand your ground allows you to shoot if you feel you or others are in danger.
From DEATH or SERIOUS BODILY HARM. Retard.

>Kultner openly threatened Dolloff
With pepper spray. Is pepper spray a deadly weapon?

>and his fellow protestors
At least you admit which side he was on.

>and assaulted two people
Is a slap across your bitch face deadly force?

>before moving to disable the only person able to defend himself.
1) he was shot before he could "disable" anyone
2) he wasn't the only person there that could "defend" himself
3) If you really want to die on the hill that pepper spray can be considered a deadly weapon, you're going to have a very hard time explaining why Dolloff didn't call the police nearby for help (now's a good time to mention his 'fuck the police' posts on social media), didn't make any attempt to disarm Keltner, and waited until after he was slapped to shoot,

>>1505093
see>>1505083

>>1505093
>Uh yeah... you literally aren't supposed to shoot people just because they slap you. I actually wish the law followed your standard, because then anyone who tries to 'punch a nazi' would be justifiably shot and killed around the country. All of you Antifa goblins using mob tactics to assault people in the streets would be cleared to get lit up.
Yeah you have no idea how Stand Your Ground works. Don't attack people who are armed after threatening them and then continuing to attempt to disable them after they take a gun out, and you won't get shot.

>>1505098
>Yeah you have no idea how Stand Your Ground works.
>stand-your-ground laws, American legal statutes that permit the use of deadly force as a means of self-defense when people feel threatened with death or serious bodily harm, as in crimes of rape, robbery, arson, kidnapping, or murder.
So what part about stand your ground did I get incorrect?

>Don't attack people who are armed
Not that it matters, but Keltner didn't know he was armed.

>and then continuing to attempt to disable them
>continuing
Keltner only sprayed once as he was being shot.

>and you won't get shot.
Except Dolloff was already in the process of shooting Keltner because he was upset about being slapped like the bitch he is.

Which is why you've ignored everything else I've said and can't address why Dolloff waited until after getting hit to do something, despite Keltner holding onto a *deadly* can of pepper spray the whole time.

>>1505101
>Not that it matters, but Keltner didn't know he was armed.
Doesn't matter. He repeatedly threatened people, physically struck two of them, then moved to pepper spray someone despite being the aggressor. Dolloff was absolutely in the right to shoot him legally, which is exactly why his charges got dismissed.

>>1505102
>>Not that it matters,
>Doesn't matter.
No shit.

>He repeatedly threatened people,
Still not justification for lethal force.

>physically struck two of them,
Still not justification for lethal force.

>then moved to pepper spray someone despite being the aggressor.
Still not justification for lethal force.

>Dolloff was absolutely in the right to shoot him legally,
But that's wrong, you fucking retard.

>which is exactly why his charges got dismissed.
No his charges were dismissed because of the bias democrats in power have. Were this same event to occur in... say Arizona, he would have gone to trial - at a minimum.

And since "Dolloff was absolutely in the right to shoot him legally" in your opinion, that means Perry was ABSOLUTELY in the right to shoot Foster legally, because - unlike Keltner - Foster actually had a deadly weapon that could cause death or serious bodily harm.

>>1505063
>commit crimes
You're getting mad that ordinary people want to defend themselves because the state refuses to protect them against violent retards, and in many cases tried to prosecute them afterwards.

Rittenhouse is a champion of the Right for a reason.

Imagine being insane enough to think that someone's social media history should disallow you from defending yourself from someone pointing a gun at your face.

How the fuck does someone argue that being surrounded by a mob of armed, angry protestors is premeditation based on shitposting?

>>1505106
The protesters were peaceful and it depends on if you purposely sought them out to confront them or not.

>>1505109
>confront them
They were blocking intersections and beating anybody that drove up to the light.

>>1505109
How were they peaceful?
They were armed, pointing their weapons at him while surrounding his vehicle

>>1505104
>Rittenhouse is a champion of the Right for a reason.
He's a fat loser who left his own family to rot even as he was making millions. He can't get a job even as a pundit because he's legitimately too retarded to hold one down and one of the Right Wing experts who was supposed to make him look presentable literally complained afterwards that he was too stupid to work with. He let his 15 minutes of fame get to his head and has utterly sabotaged the rest of his life.

This is your "Champion". Someone who is probably gonna either murder someone to try and regain his 15 minutes or die of a drug overdose/alcoholism in a few years time.

>>1505118
Better than a dead dyke and an irrationally violent fag.
And people only rallied behind him because liggerals wanted his head.

>>1505118
>immediately devolves into attacks on his character and economic status
Peak woman moment
Doesn't matter if he's a loser or not, he still had a right to defend himself from the pedophile and child rapist that tried to end his life. This makes you mad because you're a bad person.

>>1505120
You retards are the ones who ruined his life. If he just faded into the background he probably would've been fine, but instead you put him on a pedestal, overjuiced his ego, and convinced him he's the people's hero.

You turned a kid who had a bad night and had to defend himself into a frothing retard who still convinces himself he's relevant and left his own family to fucking rot for it.

>>1505119
Yeah so when those ICE agents get the Chauvin treatment, will you admit they were murderers then? Already started happening with Noem when she was on the way out.

>>1505124
The fuck would I care?

>>1504997
>In a trial where the prosecution allowed for the jury to be tainted, with one of the jurors sharing details about the case before the trial even started and none of them were dismissed.
See
>>1504804
>Bitch all you want, dude was convicted. In Texas.

>>1505125
good point esl shill, you're not even american

>>1505122
>You retards
Pretty sure that was the AG who tried to prosecute him despite being told that he was a victim of attempted murder anon.
He's married and happy now by the way. Can't say the same for the two degenerates he plugged lol
Cope, seethe, dilate.

>>1505127
And let free. God bless Texas.

So we have one guy in an obvious self-defense case who was found guilty when he shouldn't have been, thanks to a tainted jury and a biased left-wing system, let free by Abbott - and another guy who should've at least gone to trial, like everybody else did in 2020 who had to defend themselves from violent leftists, but didn't even have to worry about that thanks to another biased left-wing system.

Once more, we're even.

>>1505165
>we're
What team are you representing in your mind to be part of "We"?

>>1505175
The Americans who are tired of getting attacked by violent leftists team. The same "team" that Rittenhouse was on when you animals tried to kill him.

>>1505177
So you were personally attacked by a "violent leftist" at some point? Are you going to share the details or leave us in suspense?

>>1505232
Is this the world's shittiest attempt to pretend that leftists weren't being violent subhumans in 2020?
>"fiery" but peaceful

>>1505340
>only leftists protest police brutality
Why are you like this?

>>1505346
he's literally a shill

>>1505346
>protest
>'fiery but peaceful'
Let me know when you can find a mob of right-wingers throwing molotov cocktails into small business and beating the shit out of female reporters in the streets because they're upset about police brutality.

Y'know when you're not too busy trying to deflect away from everything else.

>>1505369
a mob of right wingers literally gassed a baby for no reason this year, anon

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/tear-gas-deployed-by-federal-agents-reportedly-hospitalized-a-6-month-old-infant-and-juvenile/

>>1505369
1/6 was a mob of insane right wingers trying to overthrow the government

>>1505375
>find a mob of right-wingers throwing molotov cocktails into small business and beating the shit out of female reporters in the streets because they're upset about police brutality.
>posts a link of police throwing tear gas at a(nother) mob of angry leftists
retard

>>1505492
Good for them. Still not an example of them throwing molotovs into small businesses. In fact, there were no fires at Jan 6th. I always find it amusing how Jan 6th was an insurrection without any fires set, but May 30th wasn't despite multiple arsons. It really is only okay when the left does it.

>>1505570
Are you reminiscing about the Boogaloo Riots again?

>>1505570
>The Jackson family, who were in the vehicle, talked with ABC News on Friday. The family told ABC News they were on their way back home from their son’s basketball game when they found themselves caught in the crossfire between protestors and federal agents

mind you, this was during the "shovel attack" that ice agents were proven to have lied about, in which they indiscriminately shot into someone's home, after which they teargassed an entire residential neighborhood

>>1505570
>Good for them. Still not an example of them throwing molotovs into small businesses. In fact, there were no fires at Jan 6th. I always find it amusing how Jan 6th was an insurrection without any fires set, but May 30th wasn't despite multiple arsons. It really is only okay when the left does it.

Fire is not what makes something an insurrection or attempted coup. And jan 6 did have weapons: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/us-capitol-attack-rioters-had-weapons-including-firearms-2025-01-16/

Jan 6 occurred at the capitol during the transfer of power between presidents. congress does not meet in a random burned down target.