>>28899164
Make cars that go past 7k rpm, that's it..

>>28899164
New S2000, new NSX. No hybrid bullshit.

bulletproof economy sedan as the brand anchor. they fucked up making the civic so expensive in exchange for "sporty" and "performance" cost inflating changes.

>>28899164
>go back to making fuel inefficient shitboxes that are uncompetitive and send the company spiraling into bankruptcy rather than innovate!
Kill all retarded millennials who think the world begins and ends with them. now honda will be in their glory days in the eyes of a younger generation.

>>28899213
Aww, is little zoomzoom having a temper tantrum? Do you need a time-out?

>>28899216
Honda makes cars i like so no temper tantrum from me. enjoy never having your shit 2000 and shittier NSX ever again.

>>28899164
Quit trying to play the Toyota game

>>28899164
Bring back the hot hatch, it doesn't need to be a 9k screamer, emissions regulations won't allow it anymore, just make like a Honda Fit sized car or smaller and a crap load of boost, 350hp at 2600lbs two door hatchback

>>28899228
>it doesn't need to be a 9k screamer
Kys faggot

>>28899221
>I like wrong wheel drive eggs
And you accuse others of having shitty taste.

>>28899164
Double wishbone

>>28899233
>>wrong wheel drive eggs
so honda for almost their entire history?

>>28899232
I didn't say I wouldn't it just that it doesn't need to be one, as much as I want one, I recognize modern emissions bullshit won't allow it, maximizing horsepower through displacement per minute was the game before emissions bullshit

>>28899237
They weren't always eggs, and they were (rarely) correct wheel drive.

>>28899239
They aren't always eggs now, and they are (rarely) correct wheel drive now.

>>28899260
Incorrect on both counts.

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>>28899266
>t. retard

>>28899276
>NuSX

>>28899288
So something that is neither an egg or wrong wheel drive?

>>28899164
They can fix my fucking VSA limpmode every time it rains.
That would be nice.

>>28899164
Their former glory of what? Making fuel efficient vehicles that shine in a time of fuel crisis? They're literally doing it right now.

>>28899300
this, millennials are retarded.

>>28899293
>discontinued half a decade ago
>glorified Prius

>>28899329
No one wants a soulless electric transport pod, zoomie.

>>28899336
is that why China's auto industry is eating Japan's lunch in Europe and Australia?

>>28899337
Normalfags aren't real people, and North America is walking back from the soulless electric future.

>>28899348
anymore retarded cope you got?

>>28899354
The only one coping here is you, egg-lover.

>>28899356
refer back to>>28899276

>>28899359
see:
>>28899319

>>28899391
see
>>28899329

>>28899399
As per my last post:
>>28899336

>>28899401
>retard ignores reality
yawn
>>28899337

>>28899404
>faggot can't accept the truth
>>28899348

>>28899409
>people who have money and buy things aren't real people
same retarded cope as last time. get new material.

>>28899164
Impossible. Cars are toaster ovens on wheels now badge don't even matter. Can't engineer your way out of being EVslop

>>28899164
>How do they return to their former glory?

Rear Wheel Drive.

RWD civic.

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>>28899276
>10 year old car
Tik tok unc soon you'll be 30

>>28900055
>tfw super based and modern K series Honda without all that old sohc timing chain bullshit of old
>car is 23 goddamn years old
Don't fuckin remind me Anon.

new S2000 (ICE) with the best transmission in the world, the ZF8HP

>>28900055
And you'll be the one drafted lil nephew


Know your place, stay humble or go back to tiktok.

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>>28899164
Start making kei trucks again.

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>>28899509
How about a FWD s2000?

>>28900187
>speedo way the fuck over there
>60 measly burger units an hour
Why would anybody drive this shit

>>28899164
New targa Del Sol but done properly (right wheel drive) to go against Miata NE and GR86 gen 3

>>28900055
amazing that it's 10 years old and still looks new.

>>28900314
Ehh, it's a nice design but pretty much everything made in the past 20+ years looks modern, you throw a nice paint job and some clearcoat on a 2006 Civic, and you've got yourself a new car.

They really need to update their AWD system

>>28900410
absolutely not. any 2000s car and any car designed in the 2000s and sold in the 2010s easily looks dated. only the NSX can stand against a brand new C8, 992, Ferrari SP90, etc, and still look like it came out alongside them.

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>>28900620
Dude, we get it. The NuSX makes your PP feel funny. It's still a twisted soulless mockery of true perfection tho.

>>28900623
we get it. you're another retarded millennial who doesn't even know what NSX means.

refer back to>>28899213

>>28900623
based post however that lip has to go and youre a ricer.

What was Hondas legacy? VTEC? I can't think of anything else besides VTEC

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>>28900857
>i cant think of anything else
no shit lol, youre a fucking wrenchlet. i bet you know all about LEDs and glue on lips kek. you are not the one to consult on hondas contributions to racing and engine technology. what do you want to talk about now, how about that uniiversal batman wing that fits all your favorite auto only nog cars huh you littel faggoty ricer?

>>28900868
>bla
name one thing Honda did that was special vs everyone else that doesnt involve vtec, go

>>28899164
They sell reliable cars people want.
What do they have to change?
To appeal to the 1 percent who want a new sports car but can't afford to or won't buy it?

>>28900889
>people want
masturbatory piffle. Honda is losing money faster than respect, and their cocky everyone loves us attitude is why. They need to stop trying to be Toyota

>>28900895
They're losing money because greentards were forcing ev's down everyone throat in 2030 and now they've backed off because they found that there was no fucking way in hell anyone's electrical infrastructure would be able to take it.
So they had to cut way back on EV production which cost them bigly.
EV bullshit lost every manufacturer across the board.
Ignore greetntards is the message here.

>>28899164
>J35
>manual transmission
>AWD
>looks sporty but not too civic-ish
>no hybrid
>less LCD in the dash

i would buy the shit out of it

>>28900924
>j engine
thats the SOHC from the 1990s right? The one that took them like 3 decades to adapt DOHC to? The legit 30 yr old engine architecture?

>>28900930
>sucks himself off while fantasizing about the B16

>>28899164
New Jazz, S2K and NSX. No CVTs, only ZF autos. No HRV, crv, or three letter names. We want cheap civic back.

>>28902069
>We want cheap civic back
We have cheap Civics, Anon, adjusted for inflation, a shitbox Civic EX from 1995 cost 34,000 in today's money, nowadays you can trick out a touring hybrid civic for a little less than 33 grand and it is so much car than that single cam piece of shit could ever be.

>>28902977
>adjusted for inflation
Okay, now do the adjustment for average wage. Go ahead, I'll wait.

>>28902998
Why is it Honda's fault we live in a society? there's costs of materials and shit, Anon... The fuck do you expect them to do? sell cars at a loss? the profit margins are tight as it is, the way these cars are priced to sell when you're competing with not only toyota who makes good fuel efficient cars, but a Hyundai that is making good fuel efficient cars as well. We're at a point where pretty much every car is "nice" so to even get a Civic LX base car with a 2.0L engine for a little under $25,000 is really incredible.

>>28902069
we're getting a newer new NSX. it'll share a platform with the GTR. the newer new NSX will be EV while the mid engine GTR on the same platform will be a hybrid.

>>28903010
I'm just saying that accounting for inflation does not mean that it's cheaper. When someone says they want cheap Civics back, they mean affordable Civics. That tricked out touring hybrid Civic that you're using as an example doesn't qualify.

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GIVE ME BACK THE TABLE

>>28903128
I was behind one of those this afternoon, they were gaying it over all the speed bumps in Mill Street.

>>28899213
Funny you say that when Honda peaked with the Honda Fit, surpassed even the Corolla in sales for a while.

All the Japanese car companies should form a cartel for parts sharing. Unified engine development, unified transmission development, common wiring harnesses, etc...
Toyota can make the boring cars, Mazda can make the slightly upmarket cars, Honda the kind of sporty cars, and Nissan can make the poverty tier cars.
This is literally the only way to compete with China. Yes, the future is bleak, deal with it.

>>28903147
They tried that with BL. The infighting was horrific.

>>28903139
they still make the fit. so i guess honda is still in their glory days.

>>28903027
I hate both. I said no EV and no hybrids. You know why it didn't sell last time.

>>28903292
why didn't it sell before that, either?

>>28903292
>>28903329
more importantly, why did it outsell the LFA? that was supposed to be Toyota's big halo project and the only people buying those were dealerships.

they could have done it with the prelude but nope, gotta make everything gay now

>>28903333
The LFA is on a completely different level. The NSX is a more mass produced vehicle than the LFA by a long shot and that was by design, during the decade long planning phase of the LFA it was determined it was going to be a car produced at a loss with only 500 units. Compare that to the near 3k units produced of the NSX. Sure the NSX is a halo car but the LFA is a unicorn, originally a concept car but eventually conceptualized as an artistic showcase of Japanese engineering talent more so than a performance monster like the GT-R. The NSX is more a platform for technological implementation instead of engineering prowess (LFA) or performance metrics (GT-R)

>>28899164
Make a motorcycle gearbox that isnt full of neutrals

>>28903473
>artistic showcase of Japanese engineering talent
So true, as much as I love the GT-R for how much it costs, the thing sounds like a vacuum cleaner and has typical Nissan switchgear (not a bad thing), but the LFA is a real luxury item, they actually cared to make it sound beautiful when you cranked it up, where the GT-R doesn't.

>>28903333
Selling more than lfa is not a benchmark. They needed to sell more than r8.

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>>28903478
>oops went the wrong way sorry guys

>>28900876
>still no reply
Yup yup yup, another W for the boys

>>28903473
They couldn't even sell the 500 they coped with building because they knew it wasn't going to be popular, and it was even less popular than they anticipated. you conveniently ignored the part that most of them were bought by dealerships because the car was a flop and you're just using flowery nothing-burger language to explain away what is basically just your arbitrary personal bias. You act as if the engineers and designers of the NSX weren't just as autistic and talented given what they did and how much the industry copied them.

You tried to use sells as a reason to dismiss "EVs and Hybrids" when the LFA couldn't even sell the 500 units it had despite not being either of those things.
>>28903492
Why would they ever need to do that when it takes longer to build an NSX than an R8 to begin with because there's much more quality control involved with the NSX than an R8.

>>28900216
Fuck now that I've seen this, I will forever lament the fact that it will never exist as a production vehicle.

>>28903527
There's more QC in Accord than r8. Doesn't mean shit. NSX being a heavy as shit ev or hybrid makes it less desirable than a vette. New Honda has no balls.

>>28903542
>entire point and comprehension goes over his head
>"old" honda had balls by cucking their Halo car out of the V12 everyone thought it should've had and giving it a trannyverse mounted V6 that made the whole car a paper tiger on and off the track
This is the IQ level of people who seethe at the new nsx.

yikes.

imagine a new integra... but its not gay

>>28903564
how can you make something front wheel drive not gay? the entire concept of the integra was always straight homo erotica at its finest.

>>28903567
nah integras slapped

>>28903568
then just admit you're a closeted fag and the new one should be just as up your alley.

>>28903570
quit projecting homo i dont wanna be your top

>>28903572
people who nut over having the front wheels driven are bottom.

>>28903579
>i say i liked a car
>you immediately think of cum

>>28903580
>brings up homosexuality
>"i'm not a closeted fag i swear!"

>>28903581
being gay has nothing to do with sexuality, faggot.

>>28903584
You gargle cum as a life style choice, then? that's even worse.

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dont mind me just being a cool car over here

>>28903588
Based championship white

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Don't mind me, just being the same thing but newer.

>>28903591
*gayer

>>28903593
>front wheel drive
so, the same thing?

>>28903594
are you an arab? how can you be such a tastelet.

>>28903596
Is that any worse than having hispanic """taste""", instead?

>>28903599
i have never even seen a mexican with my own eyes

>>28903602
I've never seen an arab. so what does any of this have to do with you liking gay stuff?

>>28903603
nah thats you
>my heavyweight plasticshit ipad car is better
lmao

>>28903604
they're front wheel drive, so neither of them are "better" they're just gay. you're splitting hairs over which kind of dick you like in your mouth and i'm just telling you it's all gay regardless.

>>28903606
okay retard. or should i say... ogay hehe

Love my 2016 Honda Fit. Had a Nissan Pathfinder before it, and the difference is night and day. The Fit has has as much or more cargo space, gets more than 2x the mpg of the Pathfinder, and almost no issues with needing work, breaking down, or passing inspection. I'll probably own it another ten years.

>>28903607
LOL torque steer

>>28903618
weak wrists typed this post

>>28903619
those are exactly the kind of wrist that want power sent ONLY to the front wheels.

>>28899164
Honda has a massive image problem, with the exception of the Civic Type R, all their image cars were massive dick softening disappointments since the S2000 was discontinued, so they need a new image car, quickest way would be making a new CRX by taking the civic and making it into a shorter coupe-like 2 door hatchback, make the base versions use the same hybrid bullshit the Prelude and the Hybrid Civic already use, top spec is just the Type R drivetrain, bam, done, it's clear Honda can't make anything more advanced than that, if they could they'd have done for the Prelude, a car so embarrassing that even the world's biggest shills feel safe enough to shit on it

>>28899175
The current Civic isnt even that expensive though. Believe it or not anon but $28k is not an expensive MSRP now.

>>28899164
>build a reliable engine that's economical enough for normies while also being extremely satisfying to rev
>drop said engine into a series of affordable small cars for young people
>???
>profit
There, I saved Honda.

>>28903714
>Honda has a massive image problem
only on /o/

>>28903714
Nailed it

>>28903132
speed bumps? hardly know 'em

>>28903755
Maybe if you're the kind of person that gets panic attacks if someone looks at you the wrong way, therefore making this place the only way you can communicate with other people, or a Honda employee, otherwise you'd know people have been talking about it

>>28904791
No one is talking about any of the things /o/ is bitching about. not everyone is an asshurt millennial with a chip on their shoulder because the days of initial D are behind them.

>>28905580
Honda employee, got it, make a new CRX you hack or I'll never buy original parts from you again

>>28905630
why would you need to buy parts for them when your only interaction with cars is watching Initial D?

>>28905877
Oh, Honda HR employee, tits of GTFO

Make cheap cars go 8k rpm

>>28906023
Fuck that, I want a cheap car with a fat set of nuts at 2000 rpm and a linear powerband

>>28906036
Good news, all cars nowadays have tiny turbos with plenty of low end torque, go nuts

>>28906039
Even non turbo 4 banger can have big balls torque if you undersquare it, Honda stroked out their K20 to 2354cc way back then and everyone loved the linear powerband of the K24, midsize cars back then moved their fatasses around quite nicely for a non turbo non V6 engine.

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>>28903095
Cars can't be as affordable as they used to be because of regulations mandating a certain level of crash protection and safety technology so they cram them full of cheap tech and shiny plastic to give the impression you're getting a more premium product
I don't know if there are actual stats out there, but I'd bet there's more than double the amount of raw material in the A-pillar of a modern civic compared to the toothpicks holding the roof onto the older ones. That's where your affordability went

>>28906052
>That's where your affordability went
It's really incredible the price a normal econobox is at when you consider the costs of making the motherfucker, to get a base model Civic for $24,000ish dollars with all that nice audio, safety, midsize car, traction and stability programming, cruise control, infotainment and still extremely reliable is amazing, I have a base Honda Accord that would've cost $29,000 back when freek a leek was on the radio and you were happy to have that featureless midsize car with a CD player, power windows and cold air for all that money.

>>28899164
sell the accord in europe again

also more NA k series

Honda is doing fine.

>>28909198
This, Honda is selling the fuck out of their 2.0L hybrid setup, they're not struggling.

>>28909201
>-19% YTD
My guy

>>28909201
>2.0L hybrid
It's underpowered.
Going on sustained incline means only 140hp (2.0L engine) + massive drivetrain losses (mechanical > electrical conversion).
It should've been a 2.5L setup instead.

>>28909209
>It's underpowered
They've move down the road like a freight train Anon, a very large and faggy Honda Accord does not need a lot of RPM do it's thing, you can get it going with a bunch of 0 rpm torque and then the 2.0L engine just kinda fades in seamlessly, it's the nicest car ever if you're not trying to feel sport of any kind.

>>28909211
Sustained incline.

>>28899164
S20K2

>>28899164
Make another manual hybrid coupe with a barely functional "Sport Plus" mode.

>>28899164
I would like to buy a Fit.

>>28903755
It's not just on /o/, for the first time in 70 years Honda closed a fiscal year with a loss
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/honda-expects-fy202526-loss-up-43-bln-review-ev-strategy-2026-03-12/
They lost their touch, they can't make exciting cars that regular people can buy anymore

>>28910458
>for the first time in 70 years Honda closed a fiscal year with a loss
somehow I have a feeling they'll be able to weather this storm, even if it is one of their own making

>>28910458
none of this is evidence that people buying cars agree with any of the retarded shit said here. car companies can lose money for any number of reasons.

>>28899164
Rear wheel drive civic with dimensions of ek9 and ice model of :E
Call it ICE Cube
>>28899213
I agree that basedlenials should be genocided but nsx was fucking cool

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Redpill me on the 2024 Honda Accord Touring hybrid.
Is it worth it?

>>28910859
/o/ need a what do you drive field
>2015 Chrysler 300

>>28910865
I'm NTA, why would I drive a gay crossdresser car like accord?
My chrysler 300 is 100% BJ chance for any girl I pick up from the street.

>>28910863
>Chrysler 300
That's a nigga's car.
It's fucking nicknamed OBAMA in ME.

>>28899164
Release a V5 Fireblade.

>>28903147
Swap Nissan and Honda in that proposition

You will need another economic boom in Japan for that. However their government does anything in their power to prevent another boom and bust cycle.

>>28910882
True. I've only seen old black men drive 300s

>>28899164
Can they make a car that doesn't look like a mom van from 2006? That would be a good place to start

>>28910854
Best daily

>>28910863
>Chrysler 300
perfect car for picking up black hookers

>>28899164
You can't
Cars are too expensive for the average person to buy new and Nissan proved that shoveling cars into the hands of the poor with massive monthly payments really brings down your brand image and doesn't actually make you a ton of money
Everything they could do to make money would be anti consumer
They have to make their cars shitty enough that people get rid of them but nice enough that their drivers will come back and buy another
Pandering to enthusiasts doesn't make you money either
And they have to do all this while competing with Chinese cars
Whatever happens. It's not going to be good for drivers

>>28911061
You're kinda right Anon, the masses are so broke these days, that all the brands are basically becoming Nigsan with the way people are drowning in payments, you used to look at a Honda or Toyota owner and say "that person has to have decent credit and financially stable enough to get a car like that, but it's not uncommon to see a brand new Tundra driven by an owner who's literally struggling and wants to get out from underneath his truck payments, and if people can't afford their payments, you know they can't do any maintenance on the car or look after it in some capacity, so expect to see a lot of big altima energy with all the brands.

They can't.
They rose to fame in the '80s and '90s due to DOHC, VTEC, cheapness, wishbones, and short gears. They were limited by displacement so got creative. At the time V8 Mustangs were running like 15s, there wasn't much competition outside of Japan, so they really looked like a winner and got upwards of 40s mpgs to boot.
Now the displacement limit is a real limit because even V8s have DOHC with variable valve timing cam phaser shit. Now Hondas are relatively expensive, but they're absolute shit in comparison to everyone else. Real VTEC hasn't existed in at least a decade, and they're all heavy aids shit now so enthusiasts don't care.
Getting enthusiasts excited in 2026 won't help them anyway. They just have to focus on making solid, reliable, cheap cars with sedate appearances and they should be fine.
At least the new Accord looks nice.

>>28911066
And it sucks really bad. I'm american, so my view is burger-centric but people just don't have the same amount of disposable income as they used to world wide
Things are getting more expensive and your dollar, pound, euro and yen doesn't stretch like it used to. This means in the US even people with new car money are buying cheaper (market shifts to cheaply made cars and makes need to accommodate)
Poor Americans just buy used shit boxes
In Europe and Japan, cars are luxury items so many zoomers just aren't buying cars.
All this while the price of the average automobile CONTINUES TO RISE
Not to mention gas and maintenance
Car enthusiasts are not a large part of the market anywhere and pandering to them does not pay the bills. Middle class people will buy the new shit box and be happy when they roll their debt into a new shit box in 5 years
Poor Americans will buy used 90s and 00s cars and drive them without oil until they lose a piston
Poor euros and Japs will buy a yearly transit pass instead of a car
It's lose lose lose

>>28911074
Wishbones and vtec are based, but holy shit, fuck short gears, those old GS-R/ITR Integras are ass at cruising, you're doing will over 4000 rpm to go 75 mph, thankfully modern 6 speed transmissions with close ratios and a long overdrive gear as well as the 10AT have fixed that problem.

>>28899565
Always get a kek out of me

>>28903147
You would think they would do that in the age of increasing Chinese presence. But I guess the debacle from Nissan's bankruptcy and Honda, they're a lost cause all together

>>28900876
>name one thing
How about kill yourself wrenchlet faggot

>>28906036
NPC wrenchlet take

>>28911376
Torque moves cars Anon, every retard thinks they want a super high rev engine until it's time to putt around and realize it's worse to drive than a Honda 1.5T.

>>28911061
>Pandering to enthusiasts doesn't make you money either
That's bullshit made up by executives so manufacturers could push crossovers since they're cheaper to manufacture and have bigger profit margins, there's a shitload of money in the enthusiast market, Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep survived for years based only on the enthusiast market, Ford kept the Mustang around because it sells, same thing for the F-150 Raptor, they even brought back the Bronco because they knew there's a market for it, same thing for Toyota, they invested on both TRD and GR to pander to enthusiasts because there's money to be made in there

>>28911515
>push crossovers since they're cheaper to manufacture and have bigger profit margins
This, car companies know how to make cars, and it's not like the masses woke up one day and said "I want a lifted heavy gay version of a car", it's because these companies are being strangled by EPA regulations, that making a an LTX category vehicle is the only way to make anything, and even for the consumer right now there's really no value like a crossover right now for daily use, even though it gets worse fuel mileage because it is so big.

>>28911515
>>28911519
Except Honda "enthusiast" are all low IQ spics who won't buy anything unless it's some outdated piece of shit from the 90s. Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep updated their cars, and honda retards don't like when honda tries to stay competitive. GM made the Corvette a Hybrid and everyone loved it. Honda made the NSX a hybrid and honda spics hated it. the C8 hybrid used the NSX hybrid as a benchmark.

Honda "enthusiast" don't want honda to make anything other than exactly what appeared in initial D. the GR products don't sell, either. the Nupra GR sold like shit and didn't make toyota any money. neither did the GR Yaris/Corolla.

American car companies can actually make money off enthusiast because they can recognized when it's time for change. when the Corvette and Mustang changed greatly from what they used to be, their fans still supported it. Only honda spics can't accept any change and demand exactly the same shit from the 90s which wouldn't be competitive today.

Making a good car is probably a good start

Dropping zero weight oil.

>>28911937
You tell them Juan, show that puerto rican fury

>>28911937
>Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep updated their cars
Shit nigga are u retarded? Dodges and Chryslers are still based on '90s Merc platforms and have been in production for 20 years and Jeeps are still trading off their WWII rep.

>>28912034
Look at the broken english, it's some kind of self hating mexican, of course he's retarded

>>28911519
>it's not like the masses woke up one day and said "I want a lifted heavy gay version of a car"
Except it was literally like that. BMW made the X5 and Toyota made the Rav4/RX300 and everyone decided they wanted to buy those instead even though the sedan equivalents still exist. Hell still exist to this day. At the end of the day it was still the free market that chose to buy an Escape instead of a Focus and a CRV instead of a Civic.

>>28911987
Juan is the one who hates progress.
>>28912034
>Dodges and Chryslers are still based on '90s Merc platforms
Nope, they never were. and they got a mid cycle refresh in the 2010s basically ditching what few merc parts they even used.
>>28912088
If you repeat the LX platform = merc lie you're retarded.

>>28912088
I wouldn't be talking about broken english when you don't know how to use punctuation.

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>>28912389
I wouldn't be talking about punctuation when you don't know how to get dubs.

>>28912411
11th gens are the best looking civics since the 90s I don't care what the faggots on this dead board say

>>28899164
>no cvt's
>offer manuals in more cars
>less intrusive screens inside
>physical buttons
>drop the prices by about $5000
This formula works for every automaker, by the way

>>28912380
to be fair the Durango, which is still in production, is in fact largely based on the Mercedes W163 platform, much moreso than the LX cars are based on the S and C slass

>>28914373
wrong on both accounts. it shared some merc engine and transmission options, but like the LX cars, is entirely it's own platform, and got a mid completely new update in early 2010s meaning it now shares absolutely nothing with 2000s daimler.

>>28914373
>>28914481
You can't make money selling outdated slop to people. this is how GM went bankrupt. Honda would go bankrupt trying to do the same.

>>28899164
V6 accord