>>28969295
>izusu and suzuki an herod themselves in the us?
That's a funny way of saying they were pushed out by unfair competition practices and the US government propping up their failing automotive industry.

Suzuki has subjugated India and is now expanding its empire in the east.
Izusu has mastered the art of sumo and rarely bothers with anything under 5 tons.

My first car was a 5spd Isuzu rodeo I bought when I was 16 for $800. I'm retrospect, it was a pile junk but fun to drive

>>28969295
Delusions.
These two brands were ALWAYS 'also rans' in the jap cars in america even back when jap cars were considered above average.
Hell even Mitsu was a stronger competitor than either of these two.
Just consider that the least reliable "honda" was actually an "isuzu" and that'll tell you all you need to know.

Suzuki was framed and Isuzu only ever profits from their cabover trucks.

>>28969295
The 2020+ Mazda BT50 is rebadged Isuzu D max.

>>28969421
not sold in NA

>>28969301
but Japan was built on unfair competition practices like currency manipulation which makes their exports cheaper and all imports more expensive. japanese manufacturers have never even had competition within their own borders. they never played fair to begin with.

it's telling when you can buy an import in america for far cheaper than you could in Japan. go look up all the shit japan does to prop up its own industry. there's a laundry list of it.

>>28969325
>also rans
wat

We have no isuzu where i am but suzuki absolutely dominates. There isnt even any of the american big 3 here. Not even mitsubishi either.

Just toyota, suzuki, nigsan, hyundai, kia,

>>28969709
esl or gen alpha
call it

>>28969295
Considering that Japanese corporations aren't entirely free to do as they will, I wouldn't be surprised to find the Japanese government told them to go play somewhere else. Further, I wouldn't be shocked to find that Toyota was ultimately behind any such suggestion.

>>28969726
GOOD MORNING SAAR

>>28969761
millenial actually. actually saw 'also-ran' before, here i just thought he fat fingered or some shit lel

>>28969295
GM

>>28969709
Means they were also in the the race but didn't do anything worth mentioning by name. As in:
>oh yeah, those guys were there too

>>28969761
>esl or gen alpha
Maybe a Gen Alpha ESL?

>>28969907
i know what it means. i was just totally thrown off by the lack of the dash between the two words

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>>28969421
BT-50 is a rebodied D-Max. They don't share sheetmetal.

>>28969686
New cars in Japan are dirt cheap, what's high are the running costs which increase with the age of the car so drivers are incentivised to sell them for export, usually at the 2 year mark, even at a higher price than they bought them.

This beats the banker because new cars aren't sitting in the lot piling up taxes, Japanese drivers get a new car and even make a profit from their old car, and used-car destinations can get a low-milage car for 2/3's of the price of new, everyone wins except the usurer.

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>>28969295
It's 2am and I'm wated but I wanna yo bring back real trucks for dirt cheap and no tech.
safety is gay and should not dictate cost.

>>28970228
Forgot to add that the new car dealerships in the destination countries aren't really losing money because the warranties get transferred and people service their imports at the dealership which is pure profit.

>>28970228
new domestic japanese built cars in japan are dirt cheap. new imports to japan are expensive as all shit because of the exchange rate. a new base model corvette STARTS at the equivalent of 100k USD in japan, and for the higher trims you're looking at 200k in USD.

>>28969421
Lets forget the previous 40+ years where the ford ranger, courier i n ROW markets were all badged Mazda B series. They simply got too poor to keep doing it

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Suzuki is the 2nd bestselling brand in Japan.

>>28969295
acquainting themselves with prevailing identity politics

>>28969295
suzuki and isuzu never established themselves in the us market because they didn't offer many models. they had amazing shit like the suzuki swift but never offered it here. mitsubishi is an example of a brand that used to have a good foot here in the us but then died off due to not really focusing on making models for our market anymore.

there was only a very brief period where Japanese imports were better than domestics, and they were cheap, because, as others have pointed out, Japan used a very similar playbook to what China does today. Remember industrial competition was to the point that serious people were predicting war with Japan (namely George Friedman). Even then, it was really only Honda and Toyota that had legitimately better products, whereas Suzuki, Subaru, Isuzu, Nissan, and Mitsubishi were at or below domestic quality.
Japs have been coasting on that reputation since. The fact is domestics caught up very quickly, with psuedo domestic low price models coming in from production in Canada and Mexico after NAFTA to compete with the low tier japanese brands, and the remaining truly domestic production competing with Honda and Toyota. That's one of the main reasons we did NAFTA - to open up low cost manufacturing labor to compete with the Japanese, who are still major heavy industry competitors (just look at the recent US Steel debacle).

>>28971749
this is a fanfic. japanese cars became popular in america well before the 80s/90s. it just took that long to make up a huge market share. even boomers praised 60s and 70s jap cars for what they were, they just had a smaller amrket share then. they never aimed to "compete" with american cars until the 2000s. instead they gave alternatives taht focused more on value, simplicity, reliability, and fuel mileage. the quality was superior than many american cars in the long term. you're probably conflating short-term luxury like leather seats and shit. nissan, toyoya, mazda, honda, and all of them were very well respected. that's why even american companies like ford and dodge collaborated with mazda and mitsubishi respectively, borrowing their transmissions, and even entire platforms from them.

>>28971749
The Ford shill is back! Don't tell us, Farley came down from his coke binge long enough to hire you back.

>>28971793
Dude I'M the Ford Fanatic.
Dont associate me with that schitzo thats talking shit about Nippon.

After WWII, the U.S. supplied europe and Japan with everytjlhing from shovels to sheets, because our manufavturing infrastructure was still intact.
Part of the policy for rebuulding Japan was getting their automotibe industry up to speed. We sent them massive amounts of tooling that has led to legacy designs still being used even today.
"114.3mm" wheel lug pattern is actually 4 1/2 inch. "127mm" is actually 5 inch- because thats the tooling we sent them.
They were even building 100% compatible Harley Davidsons into the 60s.
Japanese automobiles were no different in quality than the U.S.

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>>28971749
>there was only a very brief period where Japanese imports were better than domestics...
No, there was not a "brief period."
Japan's problem is how they are legally limited by displacement as their country has to import energy producing material (coal, uranium, nat gas, gasoline, etc) that's their biggest weakness. They came in with OHC, EFI, and gearing and dominated for a couple decades.
Anyway, if you were there in the 80s-00s you'd know that Japan won with design, materials, reliability, aesthetics, driving feel, yadda yadda. I've worked engineering for American car companies, never for Japanese.

>>28971808
i was there
do you think japanese cars are superior, in general, to domestic cars, today?
in my opinion, by 1995 the domestics had totally caught up, just after the bubble burst
i wasn't there for the earlier period, but based on what i can tell from contemporaneous articles i would put it this way, as far as the engineering of the vehicles
60-75 : honda and toyota start behind but by the end of met and are beginning to exceed domestics
75-95 (the brief period) : honda and toyota are ahead of domestics. other japanese manufacturers are on par, or are only minorly behind
95-2015 : GM and Ford catch back up to Honda and Toyota. Other japanese manufacturers remain substantially ahead of Chryssler. Obviously mid period we see some japanese manufacturers pull out of America, but this is independent of their quality, in my mind. I've driven modern Suzuki's in mexico and their perfectly fine cars.
2015-now: Same as 1995-2015, except we see the complete collapse of Chryssler, and the decline of Nissan. Abroad rise of Chinese cars, but I haven't been able to drive any. I remain unimpressed by Chinese motorcycles.
Maybe you'd quibble that 20 years isn't "brief" but they've been importing Toyotas for 70 years now

>>28971804
im not talking shit about nippon at all, I think the cars have been excellent since the late 70s. What I'm saying is they have a reputation for being substantially better than domestics, and that reputation hasn't been reality for thirty years at this point. Domestics caught up. Japanese engineering remains excellent, AND domestic engineering caught up to them.

>>28971861
>Domestics caught up.
what on earth is your criteria for this statement you keep repeating? i mean, if you are referring to exclusively the luxury car market, sure, the USA is fairly competitive with europe+asia, but i was under the impression that well-designed and well-built, reliable cars cars come under the concept of 'caught up with japan', which america simply doesnt have.

Scotty Kilmer on jewtube, despite being a shameless clickbaiter, is fairly consistent on the subject of unreliability and bad engineering in regards to USA vehicles.

>>28972197
you are not living in reality if you don't think, say, a 2000 ford taurus was as good as a 2000 toyota corolla. scotty kilmer is a retard
or a present day ranger is as good as a ridgeline
just utterly divorced from reality

>>28970000
That's because you're an ESL who learned the phrase in a classroom instead of growing up with that phrase and others like it, and seeing how they originate and change as they become more common and mundane.

>>28971861
>>28972197
>>28972442
Im not sure where the argument is here.
Ill bet my left kidney on a parlay-
>there are more 1995 Ranger on the road today than 1995 Hilux
There are more 2005 Camry on the road today than 2005 Taurus

>>28973753
i was born in aus though lol. honestly never heard or seen the phrase until recently.

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>>28970447
I believe they're the top seller in India too.

>>28970232
Based Jimmino

>>28973900
Saarzuki

>>28969295
I had a 94 Isuzu rodeo in high school and I loved it. Unfortunately I was a retard at the time and drove it with a radiator leak and the engine block cracked.

>>28969295
Suzuki focused on other emerging countries. Sucks that we never got the JImny

>>28969770

More like "Yow wah gwan"

>>28970447
Cheap pieces of shit that barely go 80km so that grandma and grandpa dont do major damage when they hit something because NO ONE IN THAT COUNTRY THAT OWNS ONE OF THOSE YELLOW PLATE PIECES OF SHIT DRIVES WELL

>>28972197
Scotty is funny as a meme
Terrible to take car advice from unless you have literally 0 and i mean 0 knowledge of any cars
Toyota good! Get a toyota! RELIABILITY!
WRITE THAT DOWN!
Change your oil
WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!

Suzuki dominates in China/India/Asia
Those small fuckers are leader in 3rd world sales

>>28969295
Terrible product support and dealer support.
Aftermarket parts were basically unobtanium.
It was as if they were being sold in the U.S. as an afterthought.

>>28969295
They weren't willing to make ridiculous changes to keep up with US fuel and safety regulations, which were inherently meant to push foreign competition out.