>>28971645
when sedans are finally discontinued are they going to make crossover SUV NASCAR vehicles?

>>28971649
They already planned an electric SUV series for a reason with the lobbying from manufacturers, though mainly Ford since Ford doesn't make cars anymore.

>>28971645
Who even watches this boring shit.

>>28971660
me

>>28971645
it has a few problems but the general goal of “keep the cars closer together” has been achieved. you don’t see dick stompings like MTJ at charlotte in 2016 anymore.
the biggest problem is horsepower, these cars should be screaming into the corner at 200mph, and theyre not because they don’t have 800hp

"The Car of Tomorrow" was such a stupid name for gen 5. Like "Post-modernism" or "Nintendo New 3DS". Naming something new/current/future is so stupid because it will become old.

>>28971645
People still watch NASCAR?

>>28971650
Grim.

And you pigs will eat it up right from the troft still

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>>28971664

>>28971660
nascar fans are basically just alcoholics who do nothing but whine about how it was ruined when it became safer while lamenting dale's death in the same sentence

fully independent suspension instead of front double bones and rear live axle means the cars are more fragile and can't doorbang despite being faster and handling better.

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>>28972337
it was ruined when dale died because the sport lost its biggest hero, one of the last guys to come from the heartland of stock car racing who cut his teeth against the greats like richard petty. dale sacrificed a lot to be a racer and was about as down-to-earth as you can get.
people stopped watching nascar because the drivers that came after him have all been emotionless robot nepobabies who get bought into the sport by ancestry and don't really interact with each other or with the public. kyle busch, one of the winningest drivers of the modern era, just died of a brain hemorrhage and literally nobody fucking cared. in fact most longtime nascar fans probably went "good".

meanwhile dale "and if you see jeff gordon put that sumbitch in the wall" earnhardt has been dead for 24 years and is still revered to this day

>>28972354
It's crazy watching Stapleton42's stuff and seeing how normal and cool the '90s greats are. You can't imagine that shit with the current top drivers, at best they're just painfully generic. It's also wild that fucking Cleetus, a guy who based his entire persona around a parody of stereotypical old-school NASCAR drivers, is now the only interesting driver in the sport and the closest thing TO one of those real old-school drivers.

Confidentially, I just wrote a paper about NASCAR going to shit over the last 20 years for a class. They basically did the same shit game devs have gotten burned by in recent years, getting rid of everything their core audiences liked in a failed attempt to appeal to new audiences. Drivers were a big part but it's also the tracks, the cars, and the rules of the whole sport. At least NASCAR is trying, with shit like getting rid of the Chase but it's still way too little.

>>28971669
>the biggest problem is horsepower
I agree, although I'm new to watching NASCAR. I started watching when SVG arrived.

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>>28972354
Tell me more about NASCAR. I wasn't there for any of the good stuff, and there are too many commercial breaks now for me to enjoy watching.

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>>28972405
can I read your paper? If not, I understand.

>>28972354
i agree with your second point but Earnhardt was viewed very much like Kyle Busch in the 90s. the Terry Labonte “rattle his cage” incident at Bristol 1999 is one incident and he had a few run ins with Rusty in the same timeframe. he had a hardcore group of fans but the average fan didn’t like him.

him winning the 500 in 1998 and then his death helped soften opinion of him. he was a hard racer on track so that’s what most fans saw. and we didn’t have as much access to his personal life as the people in the sport today.

i fucking hate Hendrick with every fiber of my being though. Jeff gordon directly influenced an entire generation of wet blankets like alex bowman or chase elliott or william byron. All three of those guys have the personality of a flat tire. But that’s at least changing somewhat with Ross and Hocevar now

>>28972405
>Stapleton42
I only watch that channel for his gf.

>>28972544
Honestly I'm ashamed of the thing. I'm a pretty good writer and have been published in a few car magazines and blogs etc. but this teacher was fucking terrible and insisted that we autistically conform to a template (probably to make her grading easier) so I had to really compress shit and couldn't go into any kind of depth with stuff.

>>28973053
kek I've noticed she's toned it way down in more recent videos.

>>28971772
>troft
Are you trying to say trough?

>>28972337
Dale Earnhardt died absolutely despising the speed-restricted drafting simulator that nascar had become.

I like mark martin

>>28973053
I wish I started watching that channel sooner for insights on how to build gen 4 cars. Along with a bunch of others. Cause I still can't wrap my head around some details after 2 years.

>>28972345
The car feels like an over-engineered paradox in a way. It promised greatness and it looked pretty on the inside, but turned out to be a whack a mole of problems.

They supposedly made the car more durable and sturdy to contact and improved crash safety against catastrophic impacts, yet mild fender benders will destroy the suspension and spins into the wall gave drivers concussions.

The wheels were made single lugs to accommodate bigger brakes (ignoring 5 lug cars on the street doing things) and the rims aluminum to reduce weight, yet as a consequence the tire are now low profile and lack an inner liner which means that they will go flat on all 4 tires every time they spin or overdrive the car. Oh and the wheel and tires falling off issue which some idiots try to apologize for by saying it was always like that.

Oh, and they mandate the number placement to be forward for more ad space, ignoring how the paint jobs now look fuck ugly as a result.

Trucks is the true successor of the Cup series. the purpose of NASCAR is to be a showcase of what sort of vehicles you'd see out in the parking lot outside of the track; the vehicles the fans own. in the 1950s, it was fullsize coupes. in the 1970s, it was personal luxury cars. in the 1990s, it was midsize sedans. and now, it's pickups. and, unlike Cup for the last 40 years, Trucks actually have generally similar mechanicals to the road vehicles they represent. a Silverado has a solid axle, body on frame construction, and a pushrod V8. a NASCAR Trucks series Silverado has a solid axle, body on frame construction, and a pushrod V8.

>>28972405
drivers from before Gordon's generation generally felt like they could be your dad. I just happened to watch John Andretti's win at Martinsville and they talk about his wife a bit at one point and she was just some normal looking woman. compare that to how modern drivers are all married to gold digging supermodels. it really encapsulates how things have changed. and mind you, in-period, John was seen as a bit of a nepobaby himself due to being Mario's son.

>>28973015
yeah, Bill Elliott was the "everyman driver" of the 80s and 90s. it's crazy to think he only won one championship given how beloved he was.

>>28974877
>the purpose of NASCAR is to be a showcase of what sort of vehicles you'd see out in the parking lot outside of the track

no it isn't retard
they've been tube frame prototypes only tangentially based on the real cars since the '70s. the only "stock" part in them is the engine block which is usually specially engineered for racing by the company that made it and still has no relation to any roadgoing model.

>>28974912
>calling anyone a retard with reading comprehension this poor
oh the iron knee

>>28973015
>i agree with your second point but Earnhardt was viewed very much like Kyle Busch in the 90s.
the primary difference being that Dale was acting and laid into the man in black attitude for keks, while Busch was just a straight up prick who looked like a clone of Mark Zuckerberg and took everything absolutely seriously.
Dale would literally flip his car and still get back in and finish the race, Bush would retire if he dropped out of top 10.

>>28974921
Smoke Some Meats with Facebook Grills

>>28974913
all the people who say "nascar is about showroom stock shitboxes" are typical european morons or underage kids who've never seen a real nascar race. to race homologated road cars in such conditions would be suicide.
i'm actually from the appalachians and studied the history of the sport. strictly stock was never monetarily successful, and in the modified classes you had shit like acid dipping and smokey yunick's rule-bending ragebait. there was never actually a point in time where people ran "cars that you would find in the parking lot", everything was highly modified and about as far from stock as you can be.

>>28974929
>typical european morons or underage kids
my boomer dad says that shit. most nascar fans dont know shit about the technical side of the sport because most nascar fans are dumb as a bag of rocks and just like to get shitfaced while watching cars go in a circle

>>28974929
I did not say "showroom stock", retard-kun. I said " representative". they are different concepts. a tube frame Monte Carlo still represents a Monte Carlo. and this is important, because when the Monte was racing it was a common car for the average NASCAR fan to own. it didn't matter that underneath the panels it had no Monte left in it, it *looked* like one which was enough.
by contrast, the average NASCAR fan does not own a Camaro or Mustang and definitely not a Camry. he most likely owns a Silverado or F150.

>>28971649
NASCAR ain't been the same since they quit using stock body tubs in the 80s. And the soul of NASCAR died with the Intimidator.

>>28974953
>by contrast, the average NASCAR fan does not own a Camaro or Mustang
there is literally a guy in my town who has a straight piped black camaro with massive dale 3s on the doors

>>28974961
>but my anecdote
thank you for confirming I'm speaking to a genuine retard

>>28974953
The average nascar fan owns a camaro but its up on blocks behind their trailer

>>28974966
you said:
> the average NASCAR fan does not own a Camaro or Mustang
which is an anecdotal statement you cannot prove in any way
meanwhile i see (visually, with my eyes, not just making it up to win an argument on the internet) a typical nascar fan every day and he is driving a camaro done up to look like dale earnhardt himself


tl;dr: you are gay and wrong kill yourself faggot

>>28974985
no, his post is a generalization, your post is an anecdote. an anecdote is "oh well i saw X so what you said isnt true". that doesnt mean he is right because he generalized by making an assumption for an entire group of people without any data.

On paper the gen7 has all the right stuff, in practice it is physically weak and the power limit clearly holds back its potential.
But its slow because safety concern.

Feels better to drive menards class in iracing than the a rank. Needing a 3+ line and serious effort to break into the 200s sucks.

>>28974877
Some twisted regular cab low rider on 15s doesn't represent anything and the peak of NASCAR's popularity was when they were still running 2 door coupe style bodies when they sold so poorly Ford had killed their 2 door coupe and the rolling Ford Explorer was outselling the Taurus by a wide margin.

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Why did they need to do single lug wheels when street cars still do 5 lug wheels with big brakes just fine?

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>>28974885
Back when racing was dangerous

>>28976010
Logically you can presume it would cost more money because nobody is developing dedicated 5 lug racing parts for that performance level outside of the traditional stock car 15" wheel paradigm.

>>28976010
Because center lock wheels are safer.
Alloy wheels lose a shit ton of strength when one of the lug nuts isn't perfectly torqued.
In NASCAR, the quick wheel changes means a single lug might be loose.
Easy way to reduce wheel strength by 25% or so.
Center lock wheels are one and done.

>>28971645

does anon know difference of true-blue and tru-blue

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>>28976010
probably not worth the charade given how little nascar has in common with an street car.

>>28974929
Touring cars like DTM in the 1990s are probably the closest to a street stock series and even then they were purposely modified and built as racing machines similar to the WRC

>>28976454
why the 5 lug pattern and not 6 lug pattern

>>28976631
Because they're not 4wd trucks?

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after all, why shouldn't I