silver but with ghetto as small steel rims and big tyres >>28972784

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>>28972786
>65 sidewall
please..

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>>28972784
I'd choose the red.

>>28972784
I want a cargo van, why are these stupid things $50,000? There is nothing to them. Also why would I get a Chevy Express over a Ford Transit?

>>28972784
>>28972784
I love FSV

F U L L
S I Z E
V A N

>>28972784
white is best for long term because it doesn't show scratches or imperfections easily. plus it's what 90% of fleet/commercials are so easier to find used replacement panels if you ever damage one. silver is second best. red fades quickly and ends up looking pink after 10 years in sun. black shows every fucking scratch on day 1.

white with "free candy" spray painted

>>28972784
Is the Astro back?

>>28972916
>why are these stupid things $50,000?
vanlifers

>>28972916
>hy would I get a Chevy Express over a Ford Transit?
the express is much more reliable.

>>28973453

This. Even in their home domain (eur*pe) they are known to be shitboxes.

Chebby needs to get on board with the high roof designs and I am sure they will take some merc and ford sales

>>28972916
The Express is sort of a commercial vehicle that's somewhat designed to last a long time under harsh conditions. That's going to cost a lot more than a disposable piece of shit. Transits are pieces of shit that fall apart, get V8 fuel economy and cost a fucking lot to keep on the road. They do drive a lot better though.

>>28972946
The white will also look like shit as soon as the paint peels off and you're left with the Gorbachev spots.

>>28973488
If you want a high roof Express you would buy the chassis cab and put your own body/box on it.

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>>28972784
The one with the chrome, with the 6.6L V8 and the LSD.

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>>28973578
>Transits are pieces of shit that fall apart, get V8 fuel economy and cost a fucking lot to keep on the road
Are they really that bad? I want a van to load motorcycles in and things like that. I like the idea of Chevy's simplicity, but the Transit's medium roof would be perfect.

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I'M GETTING A VANDURA!!!

>>28974157
they probably aren't bad but the chevy/gmc has the most proven and simple powertrain by far.

>>28974162

SOVL

>>28972784
the one with diesel, awd and sliding doorson both sides.

>>28973488
no they are not. they are among the best van's you could get here at that time. im talking up to and including mk7 so not the transits they got in usa. they are the only car im aware off that on the same frame and chassis came in fwd transverse engine and longditudional rwd and awd. said awd, once it kicks in, its funky as shit since its made ny county 4x4 in uk, it will take you places you didnt expect a van could go. it basicly engage the front axle that doesnt have a differential (!) and since these vans are front heavy unless loaded once 4wd has engaged it will go where you point your steering wheel.

>>28974342
the new awd sprinters seem to have the best "4wd" system. you can put a locker in the rear. then again, there is really no reason to get awd in one unless it's the short 144 wheelbase. it's the only one that would fit on a trail and not get high centered on everything.

black with a black cattle guard so everyone thinks im a fed

>>28972916
tradesmen who will pay inflated prices because they literally need it and vanlifers with too much money who don't even care about the pricetag

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>>28973644
>The one with the chrome, with the 6.6L V8 and the LSD.
Sounds like the perfect spec.

>>28974342

>it basicly engage the front axle that doesnt have a differential

So. If the two front wheels cant rotate separately. How does the vehicle turn? You ever driven a vehicle with a locked front axle? Even in soft sand it wants to plow forward.

Maybe you mean there is no center diff?

i have never been more bullied on the road than while driving a van. maybe it is skill issue because i can't judge the length of my van well enough yet, but i usually get blocked from changing lanes, even if i try to wedge myself in. everytime i toggle that turn signal, traffic speeds up and closes gaps, which makes no sense because it only means i will inevitably end up further ahead of them, so i guess in a way, it's a win because i save time somehow. it does mean however, that i am even obligated to show my gratitude in some way, by either waving or flashing the hazards, as a way to say thank you to the kind souls who do let me in.

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>>28972784
>Which one are you getting
IVECO 4x4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjefiEZZP18

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>>28975437
In Oz, we only get 4WD in the pickup. Maybe the van is too tall to fit on RORO ferries. There would definitely be a market for them here.

>>28972784

I wish they offered it with AWD.

>>28975076
>>28976184

Correct me if I'm wrong; but the difference between a limited slip differential and AWD would be that the LSD would apply more or less power to the 2 drive wheels in order to maintain traction which in the case of the Chevy Express would be the rear wheels while AWD would do the same thing; but it would adjust the power to all 4 wheels.

>>28973453
no they are not.

>>28976364
Yes they are which is why pretty much every ambulance is built on a Chevy Express. Fords 3.7 n/a and the EB don't compare at all to the older LQ4 or even the newer version of that and the new 6.6. Go look through some auction results. The Expresses always have at least twice the mileage that the Transhits have.

>>28972784
Why don't people who larp as rugged and blue collar drive these? The whole I NEED EXTRA SPACE AND TO HAUL LARGE ITEMS argument fits with vans, you get a lot of cargo space. Why does it have to be a truck with an open bed?

>>28976374
You really think people drive pickup trucks just to larp? Vans fucking suck as work vehicle and are much worse as personal vehicles. The open bed of a pickup is more practical for the average person than an SUV or a van.

>>28976382
>You really think people drive pickup trucks just to larp?
You never been to small town America? People love driving 3/4-1 ton trucks for shits and giggles.

>>28976253
AWD can send power to both axles, so without LSD or ABS controlling the spin you can get two wheels spinning, one on each axle. There's lots of different AWD setups so I don't want to give generalized comments about it, but in slippery conditions it should be better than an a RWD LSD only.

>>28976408
They drive them because they're good vehicles for the money and happen to be extremely practical for small town life.

>>28976366
there is a transit mk7 awd 2,4tdi, tuned offcourse, parked right outside my door. its old, leaking, smoking but it does the job far better than any chevy van could.

>>28976471
I've driven heavily abused Expresses' with over 300k miles that still ran fine. People are pulling these engines out to make 1000+hp with. Your gay little Ford Focus can't compete.

>>28976473
i have turboed these engines into oblivion hp during my time in the norwegian formula offroad scene. i still prefef a humble litrle 4cyl diesel to get around

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>>28972784
American contractor vans are incredibly based compared to Australia

I have to drive this alien piece of shit (it's actually been really reliable from new)

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>>28976489
Really like these with the Bus4x4 conversion. Been watching 4xOverland YT channel convert one into an overland rig.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3seJEdQZ0ko

>>28976508
based, i been watching this myself. but out of all vans the toyota hiace is perhaps the worst. its so bad they quit selling it in europe they rebadged a citroen instead.

>>28976508
The 4x4s look practical as hell. The 2x2 (what I drive for with) are basically a unibody 2x2 Hilux

>>28976568
They fixed all the timing belt issues with the new model

>>28976574
what new model? they stopped selling hiace in europe and went for proace indstead. a french made van.

>>28976582
Actually it was a fuel system issue and they would catch fire but it's been fixed apparently

>>28976374
work vans used to outnumber pickup trucks 5:1 as recently as the 80s. but people realized trucks were more versatily because you can get custom beds for whatever trade you want. those low roof vans of the 70s and 80s mostly just had tool shelves down each side on the interior, and you couldn't carry as much material inside as you can a large pickup bed. those vans were much smaller than the modern sprinter or transit long wheelbases and we didn't get these new style euro vans until like 2014. by that time, people had been used to pickups for two decades. combine that with the fact that work vans somehow became labeled "rapist" vehicles seemningly overnight at some point in the early 90s.
>>28976253
awd with no lsd/locker can sometimes be worse than rwd with a locker depending on the circumstance. platforms like the new updated sprinter awd(this replaced 4wd) is good because you can add a locker to the rear and have the best of both worlds.
>>28976364
the gm powertrains are literally a continuation of what they've been putting out since the late 90s. it's like the toyota hybrid platform, it's got a proven track record. as long as you understand that they can burn oil, they last forever. the most common older truck still on the road from the late 90s and early 2000s is the silverados. the f150s have dried up over the last few years. silverados are fucking evrywhere, I mean everywhere with 250k+ miles on them. that's probably also partially because they are much easier to work on/maintain due to the compact size and simplicity. no woring or hoses everywhere like most powertrains. you can replace an alternator in 15 minutes. see oil leaks from all angles easily. literalyl nothing under the hood is unreachable. it's a mechanic's dream to work on nothing but those all day instead of most other shit. you're crusing at low rpm at highway speeds too, so they're barely breaking a sweat.
>>28976471
how would you know that when you're not in the american market?

>>28976489
aren't cabover commericals like the isuzu npr taking over? america is late to adopt anything. we are just not seeing stuff like the npr and high roof vans become popular compared to pickups. we didn't really have much of those for the last 20 years.

>>28976640
they are gasoline engines. how can an entire continent be fooled to drive gas cars? diesel exist for a reason.

>>28976640
the "american" market = international. our market = does not mean american you got all kinds of laws and restrictions.

>>28972916
Legacy drivetrain. If you could get a late 90s Highace mint new from the factory, you would. But you can't, and the various automakers are now very fickle. Meanwhile GM is basically a dinosaur, which means reliable dinosaur vans for god knows what reason.

There is also the size tax because the smallest box van type exist, which partially explain the price.
The other is that pickups are instead reasonably priced in the USA, and for most things you don't need any of the cars actual features beyond a tow hook.

>>28976807
>hiace
what do you want? reliability? then get the hiace. any kind of comfort or power, stay clear of the hiace.

>>28972916
Transits are annoying as fuck and more costly to work on, like for example you have to pull the rear axle shafts (which means topping off the diff oil) to change the rear brake rotors (and also the front hub assemblies to change the front rotors) and they're held in with single use torque to yield bolts everywhere that must be replaced at the same time or you risk losing the entire axle shaft when they randomly snap somewhere down the road. Half the dash has to come apart to change the front struts. The intake manifold has to come off to change the spark plugs. No doghouse like the Express so you can't easily get to the back/top of the engine. Having worked on more than my fair share of both vans I would never consider owning a Transit instead of an Express. Euro Ford ruins everything they touch.

>>28976839
once you got that 65mm socket there really aint that much bad with the transit.

>>28976848
Or, hear me out: buy the one that you can work on with regular tools and regular service procedures instead of the one that makes you spend more money on special tools and replacement bolts for no appreciable benefit.

>>28976854
define regular tools? i can on my transit, it just requred a 65mm socket for that specific job. i had jeeps, fords, american made, my tools didnt work on them.

>>28976863
Things any joe blow will have: a basic socket set, ratchets, and wrenches (7-24mm or so) a few different pliers, screwdrivers, pry bars, and hammers. Maybe even a torque wrench if they care a little more about doing it right. A 65mm socket does not fit into that category, I don't even have one. I also don't expect most people to have a torque wrench capable of measuring degrees for the unnecessary TTY bolts. I can do their front struts a little easier because I have a special 1/4" drive size ratchet except with a 3/8" drive head, most people don't have one of those. Meanwhile you can change the front shocks on an Express with two wrenches and a pair of vise grips and you don't even have to jack it up or remove the wheels.

>>28976888
the 65mm lug is required because the rwd/awd transit use a dana60 rear axle. dont tell me thats uncommon in usa.

>>28976777
What the fuck is wrong with using gas engines? The fuel is cheap, the engines are cheap, the parts are cheap, the maintenance is cheap. Is that not what you want for a business?

>>28977050
its not cheap? engines are complicated? they are expensive to fix?

>>28977050
its crap?