>>28976707
>It's hard to justify buying an X7 when a Pilot gives you 85-90% the experience for 45k less

Normies are fucking idiots OP, the lexus is CLEARLY better as its 45K more so you can mog on poor toyota faggots

>>28976707
I was looking at this since its basically one of the last sedans. Tech sheet says macpherson struts on a Lexus, did they take an old Hyundai excel and stick a bigger body on it. I guess the typical customer no longer cares about quality or engineering anymore.

>>28976714
Doug Demuro bought one iirc. He said it's great. But so is the Camry top trim

>>28976707
>Have commodity cars advanced to the point where luxury cars make little sense?
Imo, yes. Back in the day you had to get an S class to get radar cruise. Nowadays a Nissan has it.

The "tech" pioneers like Mercedes are working on these days is UI/infotainment garbage.

>>28976714
>Tech sheet says macpherson struts on a Lexus,
why do you want bones on a fuckign camry kek, you probably want a manual lexus es too huh fuckign ricer

>>28976710
It's about $15k more top trim for top trim.
~$40k vs ~$55k msrp.

>>28976707
5th gen maro has the same steering wheel controls as a base model cruze.

>>28976716
he didnt' buy one he just did a video on one

Do people still not realize that Lexus is owned and operated by Toyota? Majority of the components are the same between the brands besides logo. If you're getting a Lexus at least get a sports car unique to their brand.

>>28977198
Okay pal. Next you're gonna try to tell me Audi is owned by VW or Cadillac is owned by GM. Get a life.

>>28977202
Stay in denial, retard.

>>28976707
>a trannyverse-engined, FWD-biased crossover on struts riding on a modified Accord chassis gives you 85-90% of the experience of a longitudinally-engined, RWD-biased crossover on bones riding on a BMW 7 Series chassis
Yeah, I doubt that.

>>28976707
The ES cars are comfy but boring eco barges.
The Hybrids are hella good on gas.
Reliable to boot since there's nothing new in them.

My cousins have 400,000+ miles on a es350H
Still gets 35mpg around town.

>>28976707
Hybrids are inherently silent thanks to electric propulsion and engine rpm being low. R&D naturally had to make the interior more isolated since nvh is more noticeable without a loud engine in the background.

>>28976707
The ES has nothing in common with a Camry, and it hasn't since the 2nd generation in the mid 1990s. 2013 had them move away from the shared Avalon platform.

The nicer Camry trims are much better than what people expect from a Camry, but the ES is just a completely different experience when it comes to comfort and interior space.

Funny you mention the X7/Pilot comparison, just last night I had a conversation with an older friend of mine that complained about his Q5 being a complete lemon by 18k Miles and that his Pilot rental was nearly as nice but just a little underpowered compared to his Q5. He loved the 30mpg+ he got from it too.

>>28976707
It isnt the 1980s anymore. Other than a nigger engine and RWD, even the cheap cars have leather seats, heated/ventilated seats, carplay/android auto, highway assist and radar cruise control. You know, the things 90% of possible customers want and can afford.

>>28976710
>mog on poor
In your head, perhaps.

>>28977154
A G-Wagon has most of the interior bits from my work Metris.

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>>28977523
>>28976707
Onions Geese did a comparison on this

https://youtu.be/lukSxPK8Z6U?si=hXwiFiNA2cbkGJgJ

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>>28976707
Test drove an ES. Seats were 11/10 comfy. Looks nice.
Other than that:
Dogshit slow
Way too noisy
Some Yaris spec plastics in the cabin
Backseats do NOT fold down
Harsh ride for a ‘luxury’ car (60k eur for struts lmao)
Base audio system sounds cheap

Lexus is not luxury, it’s an econobox dressed in leather that Yota overcharges people for.
The LS could be different and the LC500 is sweet.

>>28977709
I drove an ES too and found it fucking laughable that people try to front it as actual luxury.

>>28976707
if you just want a comfy sedan for commuting it's really hard to beat the current gen camry
tired and true hybrid drivetrain, dual injection, no turbo or belt cvt to blow up, even has the option of AWD

>>28976707
Yes. Honestly, who needs more than a modern top-trim Civic? What the fuck else do you need? The car to suck your dick while driving?