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I am way behind in planning and preparing. Been depressed for a long time. It’s storming and I wish I had my shit together. Grow on anons… grow on.
From better times.
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>>2862904
this is the tomato i have decided to grow this year
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>>2862907
if it makes you feel any better i kept spraying my older seedlings and now they're wilting
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>>2862909
Just 1? I grow like 7 -8 kinds at least.
Gotto have some diversity bruh
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Bees knees.
When I move them into the box I will try to take pictures of the process, maybe take a picture of the queen if she is not well hidden.
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>>2862904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iitVZM8Hpoo
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>>2862960
>all the appeal to authority in the comments
Boomers were a mistake
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>>2862925
I'm doing 15 kinds this year
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>>2862925
>>2862974
i make tomato sauce out of my tomatoes. this year im growing roma, rio grande and early girl
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>>2862974
Supposing I'm too lazy to can tomatoes and mostly use them fresh and in stews, what would I even do with all of these?
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>>2862977
tomato soup
pasta sauce
eat them with salt
fresh tomato juice
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>>2862982
Sorry, I asked that completely wrong. What I mean is how do I decide which types and varieties I'd actually want? Currently I have some Cherokee purples, but only a couple plants as a test. Do I just grow the right tomatoes for my use case or is there some merit in growing some sweeter ones vs. more acidic ones for different things?
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>>2862983
last year i planted 24 better boy tomatoes and while they did great they all matured at the same time and i was kinda overwhelmed with tomatoes. so daysnto maturity is one metric. shape is another, taste, disease resistance and productivity are a couple more. determinant and indeterminate is another choice. just experiment with different varieties until you figure out a system. thats what i did
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I know there are chili peppers enthusiasts here, and I think I remember someone mentioned piment de Bresse at some point. I got some seeds from my dad who lives there, but I am in Mediterranean climate so I'm concerned they won't do well in the summer. Should I try to put them in the shadow or will they be fine? I never planted pepper before, but I have to cover my tomatoes or they get burned by the sun
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>>2863015
peppers love the blazing sun, the less water you give them the hotter they are if u want a milder pepper give them more water. i would suggest sprouting them inside and let them grow a month before transplanting them outside
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>>2863017
This variety is from an area with a super humid climate, they never heard of blazing sun, that's why I'm wondering if it will work since it's basically the opposite here. I will just see what happens I guess, a friend also gave me some seeds of a super hot pepper that came from Colombia, they must be pretty old though so idk if they will sprout
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I recently bought a place with a considerably sized back garden. Ive removed the pool and much of the paving with plans to expand the grass area. Theres a bore hooked up to the sprinkler system so water usage isnt an issue.

Previous owners went hard on Balinese flora for some reason so im removing most of it for wood chip garden beds and native plants (Australia). The cooler shadier back of the garden I was going to reserve for fruit trees and vegetable planters. At some point ill put a pond in and probably convert one of the three (why) sheds into a chicken coop.

Im still an amateur and only terraformed the front garden area so far. Any general advice for layout.
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>>2862907
I need to start some seeds but I just haven't bothered yet. At least it's not really warm here until May.
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i just planted this. PNW coastal puget sound area. they'll come up in 45F and they like full sun. I've grown thousands of them, it's easily the most reliable and tasty form of protein i grow. and the first thing to go in the ground.
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>>2863032
what's your climate?
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>>2862983
i love Romas because they're versatile, they're great for anything. i use them mainly for making sauce. i also like Cherokee purple for a large slicing tomato. I've found a lot of the niche smaller varieties are mostly for novelty. everyone always buys a "yellow pear" tomatoe at first because it sounds cool while your standing at the nursery. they don't taste that great.
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>>2863056
It's funny you mention that because that's almost exactly what happened, except online. Sungolds popped up for me immediately and the earlier harvest seems great even if the taste qualities are exaggerated.
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>>2863055
Western Australia.

Summers are brutally hot and dry 34-40 degrees with very high UV. Its Autumn now and its still 35 most days. Winters can bottom out to about 1 degree but are generally only get to around 15-18 during the day. The back of the garden is well shaded and the garden beds are completely full of ferns which ill keep around the fence line.

I want to grow chilis, cucumbers and capsicums for pickling, tomatoes and herbs for cooking. Theres two large and productive naval orange trees and lemons and limes already that Ill keep and some green apple trees that are struggling a bit. Id like to put in some avocado trees.

Main objective for this year is grass and opening up the garden beds for native flowing trees and attracting more birds to the garden. I was thinking of putting up shade cloth over the planter areas and expanding the buffalo grass to cover most of the open areas.
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>>2863089
>Theres two large and productive naval orange trees and lemons and
you should grow papaya, they will fruit their first year. also grow some mangos and figs
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Have any of you ever setup a rain garden? Sounds like a neat idea
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What's the space:food ratio for a hydroponic setup, how much can I get from one plant?
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What are some "HECKING DO NOT PLANT!!!!" plants?
Yeah I know the obvious like bamboo and knotweed, I mean useful or edible or pretty plants that grow quickly. I don't have the patience for shit like a japanese pine that grows 2 inches a year.

I already have sunchokes but they've been kind of slow, probably because they're in thick clay. I'm going to move them this year to better soil.
Gooseneck loosestrife is another "aggressive" I have that is barely growing.
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>>2863132
Houttuynia cordata
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>>2863132
I hear passion vines really take over
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>>2863132
the climbing plants I put along my front fence are doing so shit even though I am so nice to them.
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>>2863132
tree of heaven, empress tree (do not plant near house, will fuck up your foundation and your sewage/septic), chinese elm.
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Trying for a third year to get my strawberries to come back. I haven't really looked at them yet (its still going to be too cold here in Ohio) but i found some everbearing plants at a hardware store that I'm starting to grow inside.

Most of my garden is in raised beds, but the berries I have are going to be more on the ground (in larger metal raised beds)

Has anyone had any luck growing them that way and coming back the next year after a harsh winter? Are there specific cultivars I should be growing instead?
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>>2863181
My advice is just skip the raised bed meme.
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>>2863181
They grow fine in the ground. Even if a few die they'll be replaced by clones the following season. I grow Albion, San Andreas, Seascape and Mara de Bois but I'm probably going to cull the Albion this year

t. 614
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>>2863181
i grew some from seed in a pot and it literally froze solid in the ice storm and theyre fine
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>>2863181
you could try alpine strawberries. they are much smaller than the domestic strawberries, but they tend to be able to survive harsher conditions.
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>half of my order arrives from nursery
>wait a week to see if the rest arrives
>it doesn't
>call them
>they disabled the phones, too many calls
>"we'll email you a tracking number when your order ships"
>i never got an email
>"if your order is wrong or damaged you have to call us within 7 days"
??????
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>>2863207
were you ordering something special?
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>>2863209
No, but it was a preorder so I've been waiting a while, and now they're out of stock.
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>>2863214
What a bunch of cunts.
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any advice for separating two seedlings that came from one seed?
pic rel, they're meyer's lemons I bought a little while ago, most of them sprouted into one seedling but this one is two for some reason.
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>>2863218
It's called polyembryony. The more vigorous of the two shoots is a clone of the mother plant
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>>2863218
My advice would have been pick them out very early while it's just a radical
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>>2863220
>>2863222
is there any risk to repotting? Ive only done it with clumps around the roots, not clearing roots/separating

or since the taller one is likely the clone like you said, should I cut the smaller one? I dont want to since these two seem to be the most healthy of all of the seedlings that have sprouted so far
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The broccoli seeds I collected from a flowering plant last year seem to sprout well. Here's hoping they grow as well as last year's plants.
I've had some bad experiences with collected carrot and tomato seeds, yet I continue to be obsessed.
At least the lettuce and herbs bring good seeds.
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>>2863284
ive had great luck saving seeds, they germinate much quicker. i havent tried tomato or broccoli yet but i save peppers, watermelon, winter squash, cantaloupe, black eyed peas and okra. i saved some seeds off some random onion seeds that popped up but cant remember what they are. i planted them and they all came up but we will see. i like to plant crossbred pepper seeds and sometimes they are awsome and sometimes they a produce few peppers or just die. might try to save tomato seeds this year.
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>>2863286
My Amish paste tomato seeds I saved from the year before last cross pollinated with a cherry tomato and made some trash grape tomato, so this year I bought pollen bags for my tomato’s to make sure that doesn’t happen. Brassicas will cross pollinate hard so if you’re saving seed from broccoli, cabbage, turnips, cauliflower, brussel sprouts at the time time they’ll get fucked. I’ll save the seed from my spring turnips this year and save the seed from my broccoli next year. When you save your tomato seeds you have to let them kind of ferment in a cup of water for a day or two to strip the slime layer off then you can dry them normally same for cucumbers
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my pepper seeds are dead :(
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What the fuck can I start planting in the UK around this time of year?
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>>2863308
cabbage, or any brassica. lettuce, onion carrot are all early crops. look at what people traditionally grew and ate in your country. here is a based documentary about how britain survived ww2 food shortages.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSxMUY_E07w&pp=ygUad2FydGltZSBraXRjaGVuIGFuZCBnYXJkZW4%3D
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>>2862904
bros i am having a little trouble with this years chili seedlings. it happened last year with some plants too. the germinate fine, then go into seedling stage and then are stuck there for months now. what am i doing wrong?
temperature should be fine and i even use a grow lamp.
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>>2863351
Too wet?
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>>2863351
my peppers always kinda stall out also especially caribbean peppers. i plant mine in january to have them ready for spring
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>>2863352
that might be. i tend to do that. ill let them be for a while now
>>2863364
i started them on new years eve i think. some time in January.
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>>2863368
i have one of these "cripples" left from last year too btw which is just now full of peppers. so they do get there some day i just wonder why it happens.
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>>2863368
I'm not the most experienced but it seems like you have to water along with the root depth. It's OK to have the surface constantly moist when they're just emerging, but once there are actual roots you have to stop.
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>>2863371
that would explain why the ones in smaller pots do better. but i cant really replant them now. so i water em more i guess.
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just thinned out my tomato seedlings, first time growing them from seed, and man they are stinky even as little babbies
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>>2863383
I like the smell of tomato terpenoids.
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>>2862907
With the double frosts here in Florida, all but my coffee plants died. You’ve still got some time left.
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>>2863336
really cool, thanks will give it a watch
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I’ll be transplanting Turnips, red/yellow onions, broccoli, lettuce and arugula, And direct sowing peas and parsnips in 1-2 weeks under row covers. Garlics looking good.
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redpill me on pawpaw
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Would a pepper powder be good enough to stop the damn squirrels from eating my pecan seedlings?
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>>2863501
.22 is the most effective squirrel repelent
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>>2863336
https://youtu.be/OSxMUY_E07w?
Fixed the AIDS tracking link fy
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Can I just replant the stuff I get from the grocery store?
Green onions are piss easy, but what about normal onions and garlic? I understand that things like carrots and celery are biennial.
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>>2863529
I had a white onion from the grocery store in one of the drawers in my fridge and forgot about it. Over a long time period, it started growing a stalk. So yeah, I think you could do that
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>>2863529
seeds are very cheap
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>>2863530
I read some stuff about different onion types and how it might not even make a bulb in my climate depending on the type.
>>2863532
I need to figure out how to start a bunch of seeds indoors.
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>>2863533
most vegetables just need moisture and heat and germinate very fast so you can just do them inside at room temp or outside with a lid or smth, some plants want like 80-90 degrees or sunlight or need to be chilled or need to be melted with acid but these are usually fruits or ornamentals, vegetables are very very easy as a rule
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>>2863533
>need to figure out how to start a bunch of seeds indoors.
here is my ghetto setup. it works good though.
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>>2863539
Mine looks like this but I use a couple chairs instead of a bin.
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>>2862904
I'm about to go read the pastebin but I just got this and a few small pots, any comments or suggestions welcomed since it is my first time growing stuff.
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>>2863544
mint requires light to germinate, sow it on the surface and either don't cover it with dirt or sprinkle a tiny amount over top.
carrots and turnips don't transplant very well so just direct sow them in the garden.
lupine requires cold stratification, keep them in the fridge in a moist paper towel for at least 2-3 weeks. i think the butterfly flower also requires cold stratification but for a month or more.
the passion flower are tropical and would benefit from a seed starting mat to keep them warm while they germinate.
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>>2863546
>the passion flower are tropical
They have a pretty thick, pretty hard/brittle seed coat and may need to be scarified, in addition to needing 80+ degrees to germinate. They can take a seriously long time if you don't do anything to them.
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>>2863546
>>2863547
I see, so put those in a ziploc bag in the fridge?
Also yeah the turnips are going right on the soil, same with the carrots.
Thanks for the help
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>>2863549
yeah, you can dilute a little hydrogen peroxide in a spray bottle with water and sprits it on the paper towel to keep it from getting mouldy if you want.
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What's the oldest seed you've managed to grow?
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For whatever reason, even though I sowed all my vegetable seeds at the same time, Cyclanthera pedata is miles ahead of everyone else and has 2 or 3 sets of leaves.
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>>2863552
10 year old pepper/tomato seeds
>>2863555
i did a big dumb this year and started my hot peppers and tomatoes at the same time, now my tomatoes are like 3 inches and my peppers haven't even grown their true leaves yet.
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>>2863468
Get grafted varieties, wild fruit is hit and miss with mostly misses. Look into Peterson and KSU varieties. I'm planting 6 more this year
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>>2863559
Yeah same with mine. My peppers failed completely, but my Physalis are like... not even 1cm.
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>>2863529
>>2863530
>>2863533
Onions are also biennial plants. They rely on daylight hours to bulb up so if you had a long day onion in your short day climate it would never grow even it could grow the second year
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>>2863552
10,000 year old date palm from King Ablakniha's tomb
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its supposed to get down to 20f the next couple of nights, what are some ways i can protect my fruit trees, onions, garlic and cabbage?. i was going to put big 55gal trash bags over my fruit trees and cover the rest with tarps. i might put jars full of hot water around my trees also
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>>2863626
Shit, my blueberries are flowering. I don't want to lose them.
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been moving one of my raised beds and when digging up the soil this little fella and a friend dug themselves out of the soil to glare at me
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>>2863645
He should be grateful you didn't eat him
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Im still pulling up parsnips i overwintered
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>>2859559
>>2859361
Thanks anon, I got 120 cm x 45 cm x 180 cm version and it's working quite well
Wires are quite stiff and I got zero sag, also very useful for hanging lights
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>>2863665
i see this and i feel in my heart it's way too advanced for me but it's a fucking $10 metal shelf from amazon
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>>2863665
Damn, I have to finish my new setup already. The frame has been sitting in my room for a month, but I've been too dysfunctional to install the lights, lol. Picrel is my old setup (60 x 60 x 40 cm) that I'll move to an unheated garage, and use for seedlings that want less warmth.
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>>2863670
More like 70$ but mine is one of the largest variants with 5 shelves
It's really simple to set up, get some lights, wire them into plugs, use some kind of highly sophisticated switching box like in picture and plug it into a power socket timer
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>>2863756
Also I strongly recommend this type of light where wires come out somewhere on top, not on side, takes significantly less space without a wire sticking out to one side, unless you want to daisy chain them I guess
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>>2863822
>Few tips:
Don't start all seeds at the same time. Peppers will take much longer to germinate and grow than melons (~10 weeks versus ~4 weeks).
Get the seedlings closer to the lights, either by lowering the fixture or raising the containers. They are leggy. Ideally, you want your seedlings to stand straight without support.
Start slow-growing plants like peppers in small pots (or cell trays) and pot up as they grow. I think it's much easier to manage.
Unless you have strong lights, use heat mats only for germination. Basically, you need an equilibrium of light and temperature. If you increase the temperature, but not the light, seedlings will try to find it by stretching towards the light source.
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>>2863847
Bitch, I spent like 15 minutes on the reply, and the post got deleted, lol.
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>>2863214
Demand they reimburse you or open a fraud claim against them if you used a credit card.
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Any tips for growing wasabi, ginger, and mushrooms? I‘m looking to make use of an area on the side of the house that gets zero direct sunlight. Any other recommendations?
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So you can use a battery to help grow a plant?
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>>2863887
Disappointing that it didn't grow some 18650s
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Is it safe to plant outside yet?
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>>2863964
Depends on what you’re planting and your temperature lows for your area
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>>2863964
How are we supposed to know where you live and what you're planting?
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>>2863965
>>2863966
East Coast US. We had a bad freeze the past few days but it's going back to the 50s at night after today. Surely that won't happen again in another week, right?
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Fuck it we ball
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>>2863964
>>2863967
Fuck, I'm in Georgia and my seeds just sprouted, I was getting hopeful.
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>>2863967
For summer plants, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, beans, squash, cucumbers, melons, that sort of stuff. Lows>55 Fahrenheit. If you’re growing peas, beats, brassicas, lettuce, cold hardy stuff youre already good to go
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I don't even plant stuff until May here because we often still get snow in April.
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>>2863982
Third week of April is usually safe for me but I’ve had snow on May 8th… that fuken sucked.
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i have created life in the desert. roughly 40 bags of compost manure later, and removing a ton of rocks by hand. i also checked the law and theres nothing saying i cant grow birdseed with some alfalfa. i even got some pumpkin sprouts going from where i smashed one a while ago. next season is when ill try growing some fun stuff. pioneer plants and whatnot
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>>2863994
my king the humble coneflower provides a great deal of small seeds for the finches
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>>2863994
Plant a Mesquite tree
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>>2863982
Holy fuck you actually post everywhere, don't you? You really love generals.
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Added sweet potatoes to my collection, it's getting crowded here, I'm planning to utilize the entire space once I replant peppers and start watermelons
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Poncirus trifoliata survived winter remarkably well, didn't even drop leaves despite -15 C frosts, really nice it's evergreen in my climate, I didn't expect something so closely related to citrus to be this cold hardy at all.
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Is gardening going to be worth the cost this year when fertilizer cost end up soaring?
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>>2864056
There are a lot of hybrids with it with varying amounts of hardiness. Good dessert eating qualities are usually inversely proportional to hardiness, but crosses with kumquats can be continuously flowering and juicier if you want to use them green.
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>>2864048
???
are you my assigned agent?
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>>2864078
gardening is a poor mans hobby, only consooooooomer retards make it expensive. all you really need is some dirt, seeds and water. if you need fertilizer use piss
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>>2864078
i was thinkin that too, but lowe's is still nearly the same price. 5lb bag of 10-10-10 is like $8 instead of like 6.50 a couple years ago. manure bags were like 1.89, now they're 2.59. i guess just be very selective and have a plan
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>>2862904
Behold my anona
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>>2864130
Cries in zone 7
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>>2864131
Pawpaws mein nigger
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>>2864132
Yup, already planted one.
Although its supposed to be self fertile variety I'll probably add more in the future, but I'm short on space.
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>>2863674
>Damn, I have to finish my new setup already.
And here it is. 60 x 60 x 160 cm. 5 levels. 450 W (18 x 25 W) of lights. It's so bright it doubles as room lighting, lol.
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>Plant 4 strawberries 3 years ago
>Have more strawberries than I could ever need now
I need to clean this up a bit but I have no idea what to do with them
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>>2864140
Neat, they also double as space heater once you run a lot of them, I'm currently running 250 watts of lights and the amount of heat they emit is noticeable
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>>2864157
They definitely need thinned. If you don't want to transplant them somewhere else in your yard just put em in a pot or trash bag by the street with a "free strawberry plants" sign
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>>2862904
>discord: https://discord.gg/TvN3Ed4Geh
tranny discord
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central florida, that hard freeze last month has really fucked up everything here. 25F, they said this was a 50-100 year cold snap, and it's depressing seeing everything I planted be so dead. anything green got killed, even the grass in everyone's lawns, and most non-native tropical/warmweather trees seem to have lost at minimum any branch thinner than an inch thickness. I have a few tree species that are showing signs of coming back out way down their branches, and few that I'm still nervously waiting on.
as for palm trees, unless it was a native palm or a date palm, it's lost every frond and possibly completely died. there was so much stuff dead, you could smell it in the air for days after the cold snap anywhere you went. waste management has been running extra yard waste collection for weeks to try to keep up with the piles forming in everyone's lawns.
some of my landscaping is growing back from the root at least, but its going to take years to get it back to where it was before this. shit sucks.
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>>2864186
i just copied the last thread, i'm not in the discord.
>>2864078
make your own (picrel)
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>>2864078
Theres so many easily available sources of fertilizer/Organic matter
>Urine
Mainly nitrogen
>Animal bones
Phosphorus, calcium
>Wood ashes
Potassium, trace minerals
>Leaf mold
Potassium
>Animal manure
Nitrogen
I have an equestrian center near me that has mountains of half composted horse manure for free. I shot a deer this year and turned its bones into bone meal, i collect my piss and charge charcoal and ashes from the fireplace with it, and or dilute and liquid fertilize with it, and I produce about 100 gallons worth of compost every year from garden waste, food scrap, yard waste. Thats enough to top dress all my vegetable beds.
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>>2864200
Just desserts for a climate change denying chud state that fights any pro environmental regulations
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>>2864078
I am looking really into bees so that I can get into dehydrated bee pollen and other stuff, but there are meliponines here so I don't have to deal with stings.
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First time fig grower, planted this last year. I should prune all these suckers right, and can I take cuttings from these?
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>>2864247
Yes, cut them off, stick them into something well draining, keep it moist but not wet and put them in shade until they develop roots
I would leave one or two of them so I can replace this heavily leaning stem with it later though, leaves laying on or right over soil are susceptible to diseases and block airflow into centre
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>>2864249
Thanks for the reply, pruned them off, saved a few i liked. Cut under nodes and stuck them in a bag with moist peat moss for now
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Will this grow light make the seeds sprout or am I fucking retarded?
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I reburied my raised garlic bed in snow yesterday since it came uncovered during this week's melt, and there happened to be a big pile of snow next to it. I don't want the garlic thinking its time to wake up too soon.
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>>2864281
Is that towel even wet, looks dry
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>>2864281
any light should make a seed sprout, they really don't need full spectrum for sprouting.
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>>2864281
>>2864318
Most seeds don't even need light to sprout, especially large seeds like those in the picture.
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>>2864247
All the red colored ones are dead I'm afraid. I would cut everything but the main branch off, then cut the main branch ~18 inches from the soil just above three outward facing buds
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pollen
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>>2864473
this is a blue board, you can't talk about that here.
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>>2862904
I eyeballed some probably inorganic slow release fertilizer into my tomato starting pots should I be worried about it burning the seedlings and if so how or when should I remove the seeds
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>>2864489
you don't need to fertilize seeds or seedlings, wait till they get at least a few inches tall before you do that.
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>>2864492
Problem os I already incorporated it into the soil medium
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>>2864475
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currently germinating trinidad scorpions and carolina reapers on an old heating pad from the 90s but they havent done shit in three days. perhaps i am too retarded for this
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>>2864540
super hot peppers like that take several weeks if not a month+ to germinate, just keep it moist.
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>trying to grow rare milkweed
>packet said doesnt need stratification
>still nothing after a week and half
>now realizing maybe I put them too deep (an inch under) instead of surface sowing
Well that was a waste of 10 bucks
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>>2863887
>bury a tomato slice with a dozen seeds
>pierce center with battery
>a single sprout shoots up in the center like it's the battery itself that grows
Thanks, I hate it.
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I want to grow big tomatoes in my apartment, and recently picked up a deal on a grow lamp and tent. I have very little natural light in my apartment and I've never grown anything before. I'm also severely retarded. Could you please let me know if this plan sounds OK ? I really like really good tomatoes and I want to make them myself and enjoy them year round.
>2x2x4 grow tent
>full spectrum grow lamp, ~24" above seedlings
>2x 7 gal fiber pot full of potting soil and perlite
>trellis
>fan on low
>couple brandywine tomato seeds, bury them 1" deep in the center of each pot, keep them moist until they sprout
>cull the weak seedlings after about 2 weeks
>water only when dry
>all-purpose fertilizer each week after 4 weeks
>prune suckers, tie main stem to trellis
>starting month 2, cal mag with every water, switch to bloom fertilizer, start hand-pollinating
>month 3, water every day, start harvesting
>start a new plant every 3 months, rotate them
is this TOTALLY CRAZY???
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>>2863887
Holy fuck, call me Ted, because I hate AI
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>managed to get an apple tree cutting to take root
>currently only about 15cm/6" tall above the soil
>this year it's putting out tiny flower buds
Should I be removing these, or leaving it alone? I was wondering if taking them off would encourage it to focus more on growing instead.
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>>2864663
Sounds pretty good overall, will work well once you iron out the details
although
>full spectrum grow lamp, ~24" above seedlings
You can put it much closer and run on lower power early on (f you can)

>trellis
I would advise tying them with flexible tomato string instead, it has a big advantage of being able to let down some of it to lower the main stem when it's about to reach the top, this can increase the useful life of it substantially
>bury them 1" deep in the center of each pot
Just under the surface is fine too

>prune suckers
Not necessarily, if you feel like you have space for more stems leave one or two and let them grow, later when they are huge you can top off and use lower sucker as the new stem

>cal mag with every water, switch to bloom fertilizer
You don't really need to, bloom fertilizer especially is just a marketing gimmick, as long as you pollinate them it'll have more flowers than it can feed

>month 3, water every day
Too much water, it can cause them to crack and invite fungal diseases, watering a bit more is ok but this is just asking for trouble

>start a new plant every 3 months
You can keep them alive for way longer than that if you manage suckers and new stems well, I have had 2 years old indoor tomato although that was slow growing type
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>>2864247
Winter hit that tree hard. What zone? What drainage on the pot?
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>>2864132
Is pawpaw neurotoxicity legit?
>>2864133
Plant 2.
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>>2864499
I'm hard
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Spinach plants germinated
Planted them out
Disappeared
Not eaten, no sign of snail trails, Disappeared
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>>2864873
6-7. It was a harsh winter, I should’ve put them in the garage. The plants still alive and I cut it back like >>2864328
said but it might just end up re growing from the root at this point. I have my main vegetable garden to worry about right now so I’ll just wait and see when and how it recovers
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Are fruit trees worth it? Seems like a lot of time effort and money when the space could be given to something more productive.
I'm still traumatized after buying a couple apple and pears and all them dying from some fungal shit.
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>>2864874
Yes but as far as I know you have to eat a ton of it for it to be a concern

>>2864889
God damn right they are, especially native stuff that doesn't really need spraying. If you want to try apples and pears again, look for more fireblight resistant varieties online. A lot of local nurseries might not have stuff that is preferable for your area. As far as productivity, look into fruit tree guilds
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>>2864877
>Disappeared
>Not eaten, no sign of snail trails, Disappeared
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>>2864891
>Yes but as far as I know you have to eat a ton of it for it to be a concern
Yeah, but toxicity is toxicity and the way they're toxic is that it straight-up kills neurons. As much as I like the idea of native fruit, I don't like the idea of drooling and shitting myself. More than I already do, anyhow.
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>>2864874
Pretty sure the toxicity is linked to bitter compounds that the improved varieties select against anyway
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>>2863529
Potatoes from the store suck to grow. They're sorayed with an anti rooting hormone to get them to market, and thus they make stunted taters.
However if you can be patient and grow those, you'll normal your yields back out.
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Wage slaving has been especially shitty lately, but coming home and seeing my seeds sprout made me happy like work never could.
Pic related are my maca seeds. Not sure if I can get them to harvest in Central Europe, but look at those things!
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Last year all my veggies died and I gave up, this year I figured I'd try harder.
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>>2865034
What did they die of?
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>>2863994
>any port in a storm
i made it through a week of 95Freedom temperatures and now we have tropical storm winds
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>>2865039
31degree nights well past when we should have had frost kept coming. Squash bugs and cabbage moths got the rest.
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Is no dig a meme? It sounds like you need to buy an huge amount of manure every year.
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>>2865045
>>2865041
the duality of homegrown men
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>>2862904
gimme a good starting resource on gardening pl0x

yes, i've checked the pastebin, it's a mess
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>>2865069
An incredibly vague question gets an incredibly vague response; youtube. What do you want to grow and where are you?
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>>2865057
Worse, it's a cult, it solves all of the gardening problems and if it doesn't live up to it's promises that means you are no digging wrong
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>>2865089
Yeah I started to feel that way, reading what redditors are writing about it (which is already a bad sign that they won't shut up about it)
Even the relatively small 50sqm i'm cultivating calls for 2000 litres of compost every year depending on who you ask, it's not very believable that so many people are doing this as written.
I guess I'll continue improving my soil as I am. Although, sowing rye/vetch over winter actually sounds pretty good.
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>>2865089
So you're saying it's a load of bullshit
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>>2865057
Yes/no? The practice of just letting the soil ecoystem sit undisturbed and adding material in from the top like happens in nature is definitely sound, and so is the idea of plant roots year round helping with cooling, water retention, etc. like you would get from mulch. The idea that it's absolutely superior is a meme the same as native plants. The correct takeaway is probably something like you shouldn't assume a bed is dead just because it hasn't been dug up or fertilized in a while, depending on whether there are the right plants there or at least some organic matter year round helping maintain it.

It's very hard to accept that not digging is somehow beneficial if you have shitty soil that needs it real bad, but it stands to reason some of these lazy perennial/food forest plots somewhat cycle nutrients like they would in nature. Plants do piss out of their roots a cocktail of waste unique to them which is how they attract only certain bacteria to them, and a million generations of that dead bacteria does add organic matter, so there are useful concepts but it's retarded to think no-dig is a magic bullet.
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>>2862907
My goji berri plant survived the winter.
Now it's growing nicely, time to repot it into a bigger one and put it outside when frost passes.
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is anyone using dandelions for anything?
im attempting some dandelion jelly and my pectin ratio isnt working as expected time for another batch.
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>>2865102
What are you supposed to do with goji berry? It's kind of gross. I have some growing in the corner somewhere
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Any idea what this is? South florida. I have never seen it flower
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>>2865120
is that a ragweed
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>>2865119
>What are you supposed to do with goji berry?
Dunno, I will figure that out once I get the berries.
>I have some growing in the corner somewhere
how and why?
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>>2865057
>you need to buy an huge amount of manure every year.
Only for the first year, after that its the usual amount. Personally I haven't seen any noticeable improvement in plant yields or anything but covering the entire garden with cardboard did do a number of the local weed population, I haven't seen bindweed in years.
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>>2865123
I got it as a gift and tucked it away. I didn't like the taste much, but I don't have the heart to kill it. I am curious what you will do with the berries and will be looking for an update.
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>>2865126
Obviously I will try eating them raw.
Then also sun dry them and see how that changes taste.
Lastly I will try adding it to soups, supposedly it adds some kind of savory flavor or something.

I don't much care for taste as long as it provides nutrients, as in some vitamins and health benefits. And supposedly it produces fruit well into cold times, so I could get some of that during a time where other things don't produce much of anything.

Again it's more of an experiment.
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>>2865120
Ragweed
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>>2865136
I believe it's added to soup mainly for Chinese medicine (four humors) purposes. As I understand a lot of these other nightshades are more fruity/berry-like like black nightshade, litchi tomato, physalis, etc. but with a tomato taste mixed in and varying bitterness. Some of the more loved ones have improved varieties that take out as much off flavor as possible, but Goji berries are sold primarily on health claims and tradition so no one is scrambling to improve it. The temperate ones with significant improvements are generally Summer annuals and not widely grown, with the actual serious crops like lulos and tomate de arbol being restricted to the tropics.

The closest thing to Goji berries that gets actual culinary use is probably European barberry, and that just stays on the branch all winter until picked. Viburnums like guelder-rose and nannyberry do this as well, although I have no idea where you'd get a nannyberry. Medlars are also grown for this timeframe but need to blet before they're any good to eat. IMO they all provide nutrients so selecting for taste is a luxury you have, especially at the individual variety level. I bought an Autumn olive for this same purpose, since I want to just eat it rather than process it.
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>>2865121
>>2865144
Looks like I will destroy it
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>>2865191
artemisias actually look nice smell nice and are delicate to the touch, but yeah not my first choice for one
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>>2865089
It pales in comparison to the native plant cult
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tips for growing potatoes from sprouts would not go unappreciated :)
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>>2865222
It's basically impossible to fuck up potatoes, just put them in the ground. Plant two weeks before your last frost date
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>>2865223
aye
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>>2865159
>Viburnums like guelder-rose and nannyberry do this as well
>guelder-rose
>The fruit is edible in small quantities, with a very bitter taste; it can be used to make jelly. It is however mildly toxic, and may cause vomiting or diarrhea if eaten in large amounts.[12] The ripe fruit is often ignored by birds and avoided by humans due to a foul smell emitted when crushed, described by some as "musty socks" or "urine and vomit".[13]
why recommend this?
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>>2865243
Look it up under the name highbush cranberry and you'll see tons of people recommending it
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>>2865259
>>2865243
Viburnum trilobum (American highbush cranberry) is actually palatable compared to the Guelder Rose
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uh oh stinky
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2 of my pepper plants getting big. Rest are a bit further behind but doing well, I had to start a second batch due to poor germination of the first ones. 11 varieties of petunias doing well. Geraniums way too big already. Starting tomatoes next week. 5 of my 12 lighting positions in use. Upper one is deliberately tilted due to difference in plant height and I didn't want to clear off one of he other 2 unused racks yet.
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At least half of my yacóns rotted in storage overwinter, only one has any life signs
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what could be causing these holes in the leaves? is it getting too much sun or something? its a plum tree.
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>>2865368
Someone's eating your leaves
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I don't know if I am overwatering or underwatering my basil, but some leaves are turning yellow.
On the plus side, most of my other things seem to be going well
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>>2865371
Leaves near the bottom?
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>>2865374
yes, top ones still look quite green, but from about the lower middle they have different levels of yellowing.
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This year's gonna be my big gorilla gardening year, I have some willow clippings that I'm rooting in water, gonna yank some sticks off the serviceberries and crabapple in my area and plant then in the woods in our hiking trail when I finally get them to root.

We have native serviceberry but their production is so ridiculously low it's not worth it, plus they grow naturally tall and spindly so there's no way to reach said berries without a ladder, but they have ones in our city planted that have massive production and are relatively short. Free trees, just yank some heel cuttings EZPZ.
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>>2863132
A lot of herbs, if they manage to escape the pot they'll take over. Mint is our primary weed and it just grows back whenever it's pulled up.
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>>2863181
I wouldn't skip the raised bed meme, everything eats strawberries. I'd be more focused on thinking of ways for them to not get eaten by infinite pests and bugs.
Actually maybe raising the bed just makes the strawberries more visible, I don't know. Ours always get eaten when they're just starting to turn pink.
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>>2865376
Sounds like overwatering
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>>2865390
That's because you're not pulling it up. Mints, marjorams, monardas, etc. grow a thin whip-like rhizome underground which technically is a stem and has nodes, so it can root and form new plants freely. Even just a leftover piece of it can do this. They're a clonal colony plant like blackberries or bamboo. Stuff like sage and basil, despite being in the mint family, don't grow one and are much easier to control. Underground structures are determined at the species level so you can find some relatives that do it and some that don't.
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>>2865395
I figured, but sometimes it looks a bit dry compared to everything else.
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>>2865397
Is it in a pot? It's very easy to overwater in a pot, probably the #1 beginner mistake. Growth will also pretty much halt when you do this.
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>>2865401
it is in a pot, let me see if I can get a good pic of it. I am the one who posted a while ago about some seeds I got >>2863544
And everything is growing fine (except the passion flower, I haven't planted those) Then I got a small potted strawberry and basil from the store, and the basil was doing well for a while but now it is doing that. I will lower the watering to see how it goes
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>>2865402
>basil from the store, and the basil was doing well for a while but now it is doing that
It might be running low on nitrogen. So fertilize it. Or repot it, especially if you bought it in a supermarket, because those pots are super-crowded (you're meant to eat it, not grow it).
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Zone 5a, what's the preferred way to start an in ground bed if I can't start one for two weeks? I switched to no till last year for my existing beds but let work and winter take over and haven't been out there since october. My plan is to dust off the rototiller and till in a lot of granular organic fertilizer, blood and bone, topped with compost then mulch. What can I add to kickstart the microbiome? Recommended first generation crops? I'm thinking bush squashes and bush beans, I have an extensive seed collection so recommend anything really.
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>>2865432
>>start an in ground bed
>mfw raised garden bed fad tards will unironically refer to a veggie patch as an in ground bed
You are overthinking it, just till it, throw some compost in, optionally mulch and plant something you enjoy instead of thinking about a pile of soil as if it's your beloved relative that needs to be catered to at every step
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>>2865433
I have two raised beds in a large garden. Everyone I know calls their allotment/plot/patch/dirt/row a bed, and raised beds are so popular it seems necessary to specify. I'm just looking for suggestions for amending it and what might do well for the first generation. If it helps my native soil is relatively fertile but clay heavy not well draining.
It's pretty silly to deny that cultivating your soil leads to healthier plants. I get that the redditors like it, but even farmers practice minimal soil disturbance. It obviously works.
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>>2865362
it pleases me, your censoring of unnecessary information pleases me.
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>>2865435
Yeah my yard was all clay backfill. I dug out rows, mixed in composted manure, and added some fertilizer and softener. Left it covered in mulch over the Winter to stew. The ground still seems pretty soft and the tomatoes and cucumbers took to it in only a couple of days. Normally I'm inundated with invasive youngias but they seem to have been replaced with almost exclusively lambsquarters.
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>>2865432
>>2865435
Heres how I start a no till bed. First tarp off your area to under kill grass/weeds. Rototil compost/amendments in. Top dress with more compost and plant a cover crop mix of peas, oats, vetch. Chop and tarp kill the cover crop then plant the following season. You can skip the cover crop and plant right away that year, but the round of cover crops really sets the soil up. As for no till bed maintenance, broadfork to de compact, a pitchfork also works (just lifting the soil up a bit) top dress with amendments and compost, and work that into the top 1-2 inches with a hard rake or tilther, then plant. If you don’t have compaction issues you can skip the broadfork. As for kickstarting micro biome; aerated compost tea. All my beds are 30 inches wide as per the Elliot Coleman system. Which is compatible for tilthers, rototillers, rakes, seeders, row covers. If you want to get autistic about microbiology, soak transplants with aerated compost tea to get them on the roots then plant. I don’t waste my time with it, I just broadfork, ammend with fertilizer/compost then plant. I started no till 5 years ago and my beds are 100x better then when I rototilled everything. Theres a lot of videos on YouTube about how no till market gardeners make/flip beds, just copy them.
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>>2865462
What a simple process with no frills and most importantly not several rounds of tilling
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>>2865482
Agreed. Broadfork, fertilize/put compost down, rake, plant. Doesnt get simpler. I also count 1 round of tilling just to initially establish the bed.
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I feel like I need to make thousands of tiny land mines and set them out for the voles.
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>>2865462
I just broadfork -> cardboard -> compost. I built a little 1x2m frame to stop the compost from eroding away before it settles that I just moved around but thats probably not necessary. Also I only put the amendments (bloodfish and bone or homemade bonemeal) into the compost layer. I have very successfully grown tomatoes just in the bare ground before though so depending on where you live you might have to do more to improve the base layer.
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Giga-pruned my indoor grapefruit, basically cut back to where there were no leaves besides those sparse ones on the base.
This thing really keeps taking off, it's the second time I've cut it back this winter and we're not even at the point where I can put it outside, so I just cut it way way back, hopefully it's good until next year.

I'm ordering a calamansi now, which I'll get some graft cuttings from to use on my grapefruits so they'll actually produce something indoors. Maybe leave one original grapefruit branch just to see if it ever does anything.
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>>2865391
Mine did pretty well last year. 2 years ago we had squirrels and a groundhog having a feeding frenzy since the legs broke and it was still "raised' but essentially at eating height for them.

The squirrels still get some but last year i didn't see the groundhog as often. I'm planning on redo-ing the area but with some netting around them this time to prevent anyone snacking on them.
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>>2865435
You the guy making mater’ threads on /pol/?
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>>2865527
>calamansi
What's the point of this, as opposed to a kumquat or Japanese citrus or some poncirus hybrid you can just plant outside?
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>>2865704
I can't just plant any citrus outside in my area.
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>>2865705
Which is why he gave you several cold hardy citrus varieties comparable to calamansi
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>>2865736
>Cold hardy citrus varieties
"Cold hardy" does not mean they can be grown everywhere, or that they grow the same way in pots (which many people have to grow citrus from)
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>>2864130
Finale anona
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>>2865738
What is your typical Winter minimum if you don't mind me asking? And to be clear I was asking more for like... the culinary purpose of Calamansi, since the others are more familiar to me. I keep seeing it around advertised as a genius foreign solution for cold hardiness but it's less hardy than a lot of traditional good varieties, so I was curious what the actual pros are as opposed to it just being a new product for buyfags to consoom.
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>>2865744
Basically it's similar to a lime with a little sweetness, locals where it grows basically use it like limes but you don't have to peel them and the flavor is good enough you can just eat them without cooking with them.
>Winter minimum
new york
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>>2865789
I see. Yeah that's probably out of range, but it's closer than you might think. Yuzu can handle the single digits and poncirus can do in excess of -10, and cold hardy types are generally hybrids of one or the other. You have a kumquat cross, which are also a bit hardier. A lot of meme hybrids can do down to around 10. You could probably grow a Flying Dragon or Poncirus Plus, but those are 100% poncirus (i.e. bad).
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>>2864876
Uh yeah the female flower opening really got me going
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>>2865191
>>2865210
Yeah, let it flower (if you aren't allergic) and cut it off before it goes to seed
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>>2865789
I know your pain, I wish I was able to grow citrus in ground here but only trifoliata survives winters
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>>2865509
cardboard? can you explain how and what for?
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>>2865821
Cardboard smothers and kills the grass and weeds and is easily composts.
Best luck I’ve had was tossing some boxes down and covering them with leaves in the fall. Rake the leaves off in the spring and you’re good to go and the cardboard is gone.
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>>2865821
its a meme that is detrimental in the first year. i guess its supposed to kill the grass so they dont have to work their soil. google chaz garden to see what i mean
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>>2865826
Okay.
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>>2865827
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I need to build watering intuition for a plant I'm taking care of.

It's a small-sized avocado tree planted in half-a-barrel as a pot. Soil seems to drain well, while still retaining some moisture.

My guess is that even if the surface seems dry, the bottom of it could still be quite wet due to the size of the container

So, how often would you say I should water it? As in big soak until it drains down the bottom.
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>>2865844
Just pick it up, you'll memorize wet and dry weight pretty fast
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>>2865845
Container too big to lift
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Grass is very important.
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>>2865849
Is it? What does it do?
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I love staring at my lil bros
There's a runt in the back with "tricotyledony".
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Thoughts on gorilla gardening?
I don't mean for moral reasons for anything, it's just that there's no cheap land near me.
Our local cliff people throw trash off sold for 5k so buying land is sort of out of the question unless a great deal comes up, I don't think the city would like it if I spent 10k to buy a city plot and started just planting berry bushes right in their prime real estate instead of building a house.
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>>2865861
I think a gorilla would be a terrible gardener. We used a cousin of the gorilla to pick cotton for a while but that turned out disastrously.
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>>2865863
That settles it, I'm buying a city plot and using it solely to farm.
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>>2865844
>>2865848
Cheap analog moisture meters sort of work as long as you understand it's limitations
It measures conductivity so it's heavily affected not just by moisture but also fertilizer, dissolved salts increase conductivity so when you have fertilizer poor soil it can go from 4 wet to 2 dry but fertilize it heavily and it'll be going something like 10 wet to 5 dry, it's kind of nice tho because it gives rough estimate of soil fertility once you understand how it behaves in given soil
Soil type also matters, clay has high conductivity for example so given the same moisture and salts it'll read significantly higher than potting soil
Also don't just leave it in soil for weeks, a few hours or a day is fine but when it sits in soil less noble slowly electrodes and you'll have to clean it with vinegar or citric acid later to make it work again
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Up potted the petunias today which doubled the number of trays. Down to 4 open spots on my grow rack. Started my tomatoes this week.
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I only just now realized how bad the drought is. I was over here trying not to overwater but everything kept getting shiny and wilted.
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>>2865861
Don't do it on state or federal land. I saw some guy right now in the guerilla community is getting into shit because he planted some berries in a national park.
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>>2865844
My first avocado tree died 5 years ago from heat stress and being water logged. I didn't know I had to drill holes into my barrel planter, I thought it was loose enough for water to naturally drain. I got a new one this year since I have money again and it's doing good.

Get a spray bottle and only fill it with distilled water. Mist the leaves several times a day. If the leaves start drooping on a hot day, mist it more. If more misting doesn't help it's time to water.

Younger trees can easily get heat stressed because they have less foliage to shade the soil and pot, and watering even more kills it even faster. Besides a moisture meter get a long digital thermometer and check soil temps. Avocados do well between 60-85 F. I had mine in full sun and the soil was already around 95F, so I moved it to partial shade only morning sunlight and double potted it using a grow bag and mulch for insulation and evaporative cooling.
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>>2865956
Lel, noted. There are all the local "garbage cliffs" in the good old days people threw trash off, and certain fruits really don't pull up any soil contaminants, so I have plenty of options.
But actually I just submitted a lowball offer for a plot of land that's been on the market for a while, 8k for a 10k, and I'm hoping it goes through because it would solve some of this (city queers might still come after me for gardening, but it's right next to the park so I would hope not)
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my tomatoes are in these little pots and are about as big as pic rel, just getting their actual leaves after their first
roots are starting to come out out of the pot at the bottom, should i transfer them to a bigger pot already despite them being like 5cm and barely having those secondary leaves or should i wait?
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>>2865972
I might let them go a bit bigger if the roots weren't coming out, but shouldn't be a problem to pot up
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>>2865980
alright, i think ill give them 1-2 days
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Now I just need to wait.
Mostly for the chance of late frost to pass and for it to fucking rain. Didn’t really rain (or snow) where I’m at at all this winter. It’s all a fuckin dust bowl.
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>>2865999
Rhubarb doesn’t see to mind, for now. Guess it’s rhubarb cake and rhubarb marmalade time soon.
I’ve got some gardening book, that says rhubarb wine is the best fruit wine you can make but fucker doesn’t elaborate any further. Anyone got some good recipes for rhubarb wine?
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>>2865962
If you have the means you can cap off the contaminated soil with a layer of fill and then dump a bunch of woodchips to allow it to decompose into topsoil. Or just do raised beds
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Fuck, my water system is leaking about 2 liters per hour somewhere before any valve, I knew I should have divided my mains it into sections, now I need to either excavate and seal off sections of it or blindly search entire system until I find it.
I'll start by inspecting screw in connection points for 3/4 hose, those are most likely to leak imo, maybe I'll get lucky
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>>2866001
Alcohol is made from sugar so you need to add lots of sugar, hence why it's normally only from sugary juices like apple and grape. The process is basically to infuse the flavors out of it and ferment the resulting liquid. It's a lot like gardening in that the process is extremely straightforward and doesn't need to be explained, but simultaneously there is a lot of technical nuance to it and people are too lazy to explain.
https://lovelygreens.com/rhubarb-wine-recipe/
This is like the most bog standard recipe I could find with all the steps explained and the usual additives people like to do. They leave the rhubarb in sugar for a day to draw all of the water out of it, and this one boils it a bit to get all the flavor out.
https://practicalselfreliance.com/rhubarb-wine/
This one doesn't boil it but lets it keep going for several days and then rinses with more water. With actual fruits this cooking can change the taste a lot, but I'm not sure about rhubarb. And then they add a typical champagne yeast because that's what they all do.
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>>2866001
I seriously doubt pure rhubarb wine would be good, I would mix in something like bananas, apricots, peaches or apples in at least 1:1 ratio
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>>2866001
>that says rhubarb wine is the best fruit wine you can make
I think the author is full of shit but I'm ready to be proven wrong
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>>2864238
True
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>>2866014
> It's a lot like gardening in that the process is extremely straightforward and doesn't need to be explained, but simultaneously there is a lot of technical nuance to it
I know. I’m familiar with the usual suspects (I grew up with apple orchards and thus apple wine/cider and I’m familiar with turning all kinds of stone fruits into Schnaps), but rhubarb doesn’t really fit into the usual
>turn into juice
>ferment
>wala
Scheme. I guess I’ll give some random
Recipe a try, but I figured it’s worth a shot to ask around if that really is a common Anglo thing (the book I got it from is British) but I wouldn’t be surprised if >>2866016 is correct. Guess I’ll try and report back.
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This year I'm growing a new type of squash in my garden. But it has a long growth time. Hope things work out.
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A bird took a shit in one of my pepper sprouts and now it's dying. Also I suspect the same bird killed one of my pepper sprouts by pulling it.
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Black tomatoes and black cherry tomatoes this year. I had six cherry tomato plants last year. Literally had pounds of cherry tomatoes.
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Lemon cucumbers are great but the beetles love them too.
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>>2865863
LMFAO
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>>2866020
and what would that be
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>>2866026
Some weird orange one with a green inside.
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>>2866036
does it have a name?
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I tried some seed starting mix and it ended up worse than plain potting soil and got really moldy. I don't think I'll be doing that again.
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>>2866039
Ayote Green apparently.
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>>2866041
I just use garden soil from a bag.
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>>2866002
Yeah that's certainly a plan, not my land but a bag of mulch is cheap and would be an easy way to whip up a berry patch.
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>>2866018
If I had to guess it's more of a flavoring thing, one of my cousins does a carrot wine and basically they're full of shit, rhubarb is just a flavoring and isn't really the primary thing you're fermenting, you still probably have to use grape juice for the best results.
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got a light and a heater. I don't plan to actually use it any time soon. just testing the waters
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>>2866055
Fuck all that technology. I put my seeds in dirt and make them wet.
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>>2866041
I've had good luck with turface.
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>>2866055
whatcha growin? shrooms?
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I kind of missed the optimal window to get started on my seeds this year (a lot going on), but I finally got around to it.

Here's to a good season lads.
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>>2862983
Check the local extension office for publications on what has been polled to grow well.
Failing that, check with the extension agent.
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>>2863181
Berries are tender in many ways.
Do not plant berries in the same place for more than a couple years, because they are susceptible to so many vectors of fuckery.
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>>2866085
There is no optimum.
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>>2866041
Try out Al's gritty mix or his 5-1-1 mix.
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>>2866090
Maybe not, but I'm like a month late for some seeds. Anyhow, I'll still grow them. Here's to hoping it's a good year in terms of climate and especially the slow growing ones (like aji charapita) get to fruit.
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>>2866092
I get what you mean, now, so I can rephrase.
Grow something. The ground cannot stay fallow or you will lose both discipline/habits and nutrition in the soil.
If you miss a window and something fails, sew in a cover crop. Keep the ecosystem alive or you'll be losing soil structure.

There's always the container cope, too.
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I think I'm going to plant english ivy next to my ugly North wall, surely it can't be as bad as they say?
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>>2866098
Plant some mint and raspberries too.
You won’t be sorry.
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>>2866109
bamboo is also very nice
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>>2866125
Fun story: the colony of Jamestown is basically just an archeological site. Colonial Jamestown is just a recreation, however, you can stop at the rebuilt glasshouse which is just yards from the original foundation and forge. One of the earliest examples of the Colombian exchange was bringing bamboo to Virginia as a fast growing resource. It completely went nuts and 400 years later it’s still growing along the banks of the James River.

Plant some Kudzu.
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Has anyone here grown Catha edulis or had any luck with procuring seeds? I’ve been trying and it seems like it used to be really easy to find on eBay but now it’s impossible to find anywhere
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>>2863118
I wanna do one of these, is it just dig out a part of the yard and get the right water-loving plants? I'm in Zone 6.
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>>2863118
Mosquito condos
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>>2866125
FUCK bamboo
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>>2862904
Glad I found this thread again. I thought it was in /an/ for some reason.
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This is a potato bean
It makes an edible tater like tuber
vines
fixes nitrogen
and makes edible beans
>The plant's natural range is from southern Canada (including Ontario, Quebec, and New Brunswick) down through Florida and west as far as the border of Colorado.
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>>2866162
>native
>edible
Checks both my boxes. Are they really aggressive like sunchokes?
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>>2866154
Honestly if you just aren't OCD about it and don't mind it taking a little time it's easy to kill.
- Cut it all off
- Wait for a growth period when the shoots turn into a stem
- Just when the first leaves start appearing, repeat step 1

Do that for 2-3 cycles and the bamboo dies. Trying to get all the rhizomes out of the ground is a pain in the ass and half the time you missed one or two so it just spreads again.
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>>2866163
it doesn't seem to be from what I'm reading as they're usually pollinated by leaf cutter bees
>from the family Megachilidae
and they like it moist, so they're probably in the shade in moist valleys
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>>2866162
Interesting, never heard of it, what's the catch?
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>when you need to rebuild an entire section of your garden to be a wall of razorblades as a clear "FUCK OFF" to bad neighbors
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Planted kohlrabi early this year, I used to always plant it in May but I read it can survive light frost down to -3 C so I'm trying early planting this year, going to cover it with cloth if there is frost forecast just in case
Also giving weed fabric another chance this year, I have a lot of it laying around and weeding was really annoying last year, especially under cucumber netting
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The greenhouse is coming along nicely.
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>>2866217
Looks nice
what's that in the back? kale?
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>>2866217
Why are the walls so FILTHY?
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>>2866216
Can I ask, how far do you set those netted frames into the ground to keep them sturdy?
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>>2866219
Kohlrabi. I grew kale in the greenhouse over the winter, but it went straight to flower once it warmed up. What you see is lamb's lettuce, oak leaf lettuce, butterhead lettuce, kohlrabi, more butterhead lettuce, and radishes. And St. John's wort that I'm starting in that pot.
>>2866220
That's a whitewash residue from last year.
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>>2866221
I use those 46x46mm anchors driven into soil, they go 45~50cm into soil depending on manufacturer, more than enough for plant netting but I wouldn't attach anything heavy without setting them in concrete
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>>2866275
45mm square 180 cm tall wood post go into anchors secured by 4 screws, I always paint them with good outdoor paint to increase lifespan
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>>2866276
I see thanks. It gets pretty windy here at times and I'm not able to use concrete so I'll probably be best off sticking with an a-frame style design. They come up pretty rigid with some tension wires. Will grab some of those anchors, sounds nice to keep the wood out the ground
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This is Haskap / Honey Berry
It is extremely cold hardy
fixes nitrogen
and can easily stool propagate through stem rooting or runners
>Haskap berries (Lonicera caerulea), or honeyberries, are extremely cold-hardy plants that thrive in USDA Hardiness Zones 2 through 7, with some varieties surviving in Zone 1. They are best suited to northern climates but can grow in warmer zones (up to 8a) if given, partial shade and consistent moisture during hot summers.
>>2866198
probably doesn't make beans easy because lack of pollinators that bother with it, it does supposedly have good cultivars, but again, same problem
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>>2866298
>fixes nitrogen
It does not
>runners
They do not produce runners
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>>2866162
I just got and planted 4 tubers from a local hobbyist, somewhat pricy but I like trying new stuff
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I built 5 40 gallon raised beds/planters after learning about soil temps and double potting.

Black nursery pots in full sun were making soil 25F over ambient temp. So I spray painted them white. Still 20F over ambient. I double potted them with grow bags and mulch. Still 10F over ambient.

My planters are now only getting soil 5-7F over ambient in full sun, which is partly due to the amount of compost I mixed into the soil to fill up the planters. Since the planter is sitting on pavers and lava rock and leaves air gaps at the bottom, it takes advantage of the stack effect in the Summer. Hot air rises out the top and pulls in cooler air in through the bottom like your attic air flow should work. In the winter I can drop in 1.5" foamboard insulation.
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>>2866347
>all of that
And what are you going to grow in them?
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>>2866348
I have them along my patio and added trellises to them so I can grow star jasmine to add afternoon shade and cover up the smell of dog shit from my neighbor's yard. Since the star jasmine will be growing along the trellis, it won't be shading the planter as much so I need to maximize temp control.

They're prototypes to planters I'm going to build for my Meyer Lemon, Navel Orange, Glenn Mango, and Haas Avocado trees when they get too big to move under my patio. They can't be put in the ground because Houston soil is too clay heavy.

When I do put them in the ground I've devised a way to create a microclimate to keep them warm during Freezes in pic related. I can make a solar water heater out of PVC or coiled copper tubes painted black connected to a barrel or tub. Through the thermosiphon effect the water will flow back and forth on it's own. If correctly sized it could keep a small area relatively warm and humid, without having to make a greenhouse.
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>>2866163
>>native
>>edible
>Checks both my boxes.
Holy reddit
>>2866198
The reason they aren't common is because each tuber takes two seasons to develop and they have very small yields. It's not the next super crop that will revolutionize agriculture with ebin indigenous knowledge
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>>2866349
Oh that's nice, don't even have to put a heater in it.

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