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Chance Encounter edition
I was going to snap a picture of a flower when this Saffron Finch came flying and stood on one of its branches
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>>4507785
I got into birding recently and grabbed a Canon sx50 hs second hand for cheap! The 50x zoom comes in handy even though with my luck they've already flown away by the time I close in and focus
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All the chicks are out and about. I did snap a photo of a Great Crested Grebe pulling a worm out of it's arse but it's not great to look at.
>>4507811
I hate photographing Goldcrests. Still hoping to see a Firecrest at some point.
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In the jungle? Some areas (towns/cities) are rough depending on the country. I heard there's a Cuzco expedition where you go into the jungle for 4 days with a tour guide to look at the flora and fauna. Probably the same for other countries
This one I took at the park near my house. I live in Lima, Peru (coastal). OP picture is also mine, same park. Lots of cool colored birds just out and about here in the city
Have a vermilion flycatcher I saw the other day
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>>4508641
That's with an old Jupiter 11, 135mm/f4. I'm mostly carrying around vintage shit and am still a complete amateur at this.
These
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>>4508538
are all Tokina. Mine is from 1991 and all those images did receive at least a minor edit and crop. Primarily for missing contrast and being hazy/washed out. Even though it's f8 its DOF is crazy thin. Picrel is one out of maybe 15 shots of this fast little bastard that's even remotely sharp. I can't say I'd recommend it without knowing more, a regular lens will always be sharper than it and maybe getting a TC instead for one of your faster lenses would be a better choice.
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>>4508691
I wouldn't bring a big, heavy lens with me most of the time, so spending a lot of money on it feels like a waste. So I spend it on multiple cheap things of questionable value instead. Picrel is 180 AF-D with TC-201 (heavy crop). I leave that at home most of the time though.
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>>4508723
Okay fair enough. Be aware that it has a niche 30.5mm filter set of skylight, nd2x and nd4x that need to be included with it as they're required for optics (mounted at the end, not front, look into that as I suck at explaining). Also keep in mind that the hood gives it quite a bit of length but it's still a lot lighter than a classic lens. Other than that, if you don't expect tack sharp pictures with it, go for it, it's a really fun lens and 500mm is a ton of reach. Getting a tripod or a monopod is a great next step but I managed to snap up some decent pictures from hand as well.
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First time out with my dad's old camera setup he's given me.
Touched it up a tiny bit with Windows' built in editor after converting it to jpg made it look really washed out and dull.
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i really dislike bird photos which only show the bird. Without context. Probably became a trend due to social media like Instagram. I like it „zoomed out“.
Maybe it’s just cope from my side because I can’t get closer…
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>>4509994
i really wish the focusing area on my 5Diii was bigger. Really hard to focus on objects that in the corners. Then I need to focus and recompose, and if the subject is moving, it’s impossible…
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>>4509997
One of the only things I actually like about photographing birds is getting up early and going the the lake. Its something I am then proud of myself, even if the photos are mid.
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>>4509993
Yes generally a photo of just an animal isn't going to be as good as an animal doing something interesting, in action or giving off some sort of intense behavioral facial expression...
I went down the instagram wildlife photo rabbit hole once and like 80% of them were people trying to cope with their debt they most likely took on to buy their 30,000 dollars in gear by show casing their bazooka lens and how close they can zoom in on whatever local animal they live around.
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Magpie Lark. Was having a ciggie and taking some test shots with my newly repaired and serviced Vivitar S1 70-210.
I've not owned one of these old push-pull zoom focus ring style lenses before, I'm really enjoying it so far. Combined with the impressive sharpness this lens has and it might be pretty decent for taking backyard snapshits of the local birds.
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>>4508892
If you're still on the fence on the Tokina, I managed to snap up this comparison and tried to crop up as close to each other as I could.
300mm Tair 3S - behemoth lens but relatively sharp
https://litter.catbox.moe/5dv9ro8bedjl3ka0.jpg
And picrel with Tokina
https://litter.catbox.moe/ggu1r2oplkm0ucqr.jpg
The softness is apparent but if you can live with it go for it. I'm hoping to get a shot with the fledglings at some point.
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>>4511127
Sort of. With many of these unnecessary purchases I'm often considering them for a year or more before making a decision. Vivitar MC 24/2 and ET8550 are currently on the photography related list.
Picrel is 105/2.5 with a TC, sooc. By all rights, it should be culled, but for whatever reason I find it intriguing.
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>>4509993
i agree also disagree, its a different game of skill, more llike hunting
i got a nice tree heron this season too!
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>>4512210
Do some math. even with an 800 you have to be closer than you think to something the size of a ping pong ball to get uncropped frame filling.
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>>4512393
That tracks. The big money boomer at the place I used to try and do bird photos when I was a kid had a Canon 1200mm f5.6 and I was slapping around with an AE-1 and a 200mm f5.6 zoom. I've only ever seen one of them, and that guy was there with it several times.
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>>4512216
What a beautiful shot
>>4512389
I use the Cinema-V Raptor as well!! So cute >_<
>>4511798
I have never seen this kind of bird before :-0 or maybe I just need to open my eyes haha
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Bird dudes, you're using long lenses for a lot of your shots. Any experience on how well Snoy's IBIS works with UNstabilized telephotos in the 400mm range?
I got a great deal on an old 70-400mm SSM from a yard sale and it has no stabilization, I'm not sure if I should sell it at a normal price and put the proceeds toward a stabilized lens like a Tamron 50-400 or Sigma 100-400, or if my old A7III's IBIS will be just fine at 400mm. No, I can't test it yet, I'm hunting for a deal on an adapter. I do not currently have a telephoto that fits my mirrorless and my biggest DSLR lens is 300mm.
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>>4513156
I tried out an older nikon 300mm f4 on a z6ii thinking with the same logic, but the IBIS wasn't enough, it needs to be in the lens pretty much. Now, that's just nikon, but I'd imagine they all work similar.
I think the IBIS is more for video to be honest. If the case was that older lenses could greatly benefit from the IBIS they'd still be rather expensive on the used marker.
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>>4513180
IBIS was pioneered by cameras with no video chops whatsoever and remains a stills feature. In video, it causes edge/corner warping (blurs UWA photos too). It’s really more for keeping 28mm-85mm primes small, cheap, and reliabld after the disaster that was the DSLR VC/VR/IS primes almost no one bought because lens VR usually brings double gauss character to reality scanner price points and lens sizes, completely defeating 90% of why people prefer primes over the 30 year old virgin lens (24-70 f2.8).
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>>4513180
>I think the IBIS is more for video to be honest. If the case was that older lenses could greatly benefit from the IBIS they'd still be rather expensive on the used marker.
What are you talking about? Do you not understand what image stabilization is? It's not even difficult to test the effects it has in stills. I've never tried IBIS with my telephotos because my telephotos have it built in, but its efficacy is clear with my shorter lenses.
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>>4513180
IBIS=video is a marketing invention to get newbie videographers to pay out the ass for some awkward crippled or poorly made mirrorless (ie: any panasonic or sony). its objectively BAD for professional videography (corner wobble, sensor heating, "snapping", lack of configurability, limits camera selection to rather flawed/terrible cameras just to get IBIS thats set up better for video) and all professional videographers use external stabilization that works with any camera whenever possible.
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>>4513182
Ok well you're contradiction by saying I'm wrong and then saying you've never used it is kind of a wierd flex lol...
I tried it on an older 300mm, it didn't do anything from what I saw, how is the IBIS going to stabilize the lens at the long end? Camera shake gets exponential with telephotos...
>>4513181
It's for both from my understanding...
>>4513183
Well I figured that. A pro isn't gonna rely souly on the cameras out of the box feature lol...
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>>4513186
>Ok well you're contradiction by saying I'm wrong and then saying you've never used it is kind of a wierd flex lol...
You illiterate piece of shit, I said I didn't use it on TELEPHOTOS. I use it all the time with shorter lenses and it is CLEARLY not "more for video" and "no benefit to older lenses"
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>>4513187
Anon asked about telephotos, I gave my opinion on it. If the lens doesn't have VR or whatever and it's relying on IBIS it doesn't make much of a difference.
Ao your opinion on this matter is useless since we are exclusively talking about telephotos. And yes IBIS gas a huge influence on today's mirrorless cameras for video. It's one of the selling points, it works nicely with one of my older lenses for video, so I don't know what you're freaking out over.
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>>4513194
IBIS is primarily a stills feature in reality. It is unironically bad for video. If you convince yourself it isn’t you are primed set yourself up for disappointment and chase body upgrades. This is why marketing now calls IBIS a video feature.
Use this handy guide
Video: Gimbal or steadycam
Telephoto: Lens VR only or hybrid VR+IBIS
Normal stills: IBIS
UWA lenses: Lens VR only
Protecting your virginity: Tripod
Carrying a weapon in europe: monopod
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>>4513198
No, IBIS is genuinely terrible for video unless you hit peak consoomer. IBIS in video drives more camera upgrade idiocy than anything else. I really recommend anyone using IBIS in video forget about it from now on and buy a gimbal for their next (and last) upgrade b
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So I have a crazy idea. I'd like to try birding with a 35mm film camera. The film I'd like to try is kodak ecktachrome e100 so it can be cut up to put in slides for a kodak carousel projector. Do you think a 200mm lens is good enough or should I find something a bit longer? Am I just setting myself up for failure?
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>>4513198
How about you leave? You're the guy who replied to my genuine question with zero applicable experience and flagrant boomerlore
>IBIS is more for video
>If old lenses benefited from it they would be more expensive
Old lenses aren't cheap because IBIS doesn't work with them, they're cheap because they aren't native to newer systems and most of them are optically worse than the modern equivalents.
I just want to know if anyone has experience with IBIS and a lens this long, and how well it works, hence asking the bird guys instead of the gear thread who will just start arguing about brands and top of the line lenses. I know it works great with my unstabilized 17-50 f4 and 105mm Nikon Macro, and if it is basically useless with a 400 I was just going to flip the lens instead of buying an adapter and buy something more modern.
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>>4513180
>Now, that's just nikon, but I'd imagine they all work similar.
Considering that Nikon doesn't even offer an adapter for AF-D lenses, I wouldn't be surprised if they disabled or gimped IBIS similar to how Sony gimped framerate and focus modes if you use adapted A-mount lenses, or aftermarket adapters for other brands.
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>>4513206
Why not? You definitely "can" but birding is like 40% location, 20% luck, 20% skill and 20% gear. What long lenses and fast AF do is shrink the luck and location requirements and give you more opportunities because they bring you closer and are faster. The shorter your lens and slower your gear the more dependent getting the shot is on luck, location, and skill. You could go to a preserve boardwalk or something and there might be birds close enough to get a good shot with a 200 no problem or you could go on a hike and not see a bird that does more than fill a focus point marker with a 200. When I first got into photography with film and my 100-200 FD lens I think I got one photo of a bird that was worth keeping before I eventually got an AF SLR and a longer lens because they were otherwise too far away or too fast. I need to see if I can dig it up but all of my old negatives from my middle school years are in a box buried under other boxes.
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>>4513211
Zero experience? Anon I literally gave you a real world experience, with a non stabilized lens it doesn't do much. Even calibrated it was still a bit shit, definitely not a handhold experience if you're going for sharpness.
Oh well. Take it or leave it, go waste some money on older lenses or whatever it is you're trying to do.
>>4513199
Yes it's for consumers, the average person, how many times do I have to repeat that? For stills it's nothing special, it's been around for a long ass time within the lens world, but for video ibis wasn't much pf a thing until recently.
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>>4513228
>Not sure on adapted to chipped adapter.
That's the real question, because we all understand that with old manual lenses the real time distance and focal length data is not available, but with smart adapters it should be, since you can see focal length in the EXIF. I'm not sure if all AF lenses, or at least all AF lenses that don't use screw drive, provide distance feedback though. Seems like they would.