>>624737 Unless I'm mistaken the beak was originally crimped, but the pinched beak looks better imo. Also the tail pleats went all the way yp but you curved the top. Very nice.
>>624738 Absolutely we will try and help! Don't beat yourself up >>624735 this scan is rather blurry, some of the steps are unclear.
>>624739 I see. Well, in fact, I couldn't tell about the beak because diagram is, as you said, rather blurry. As for the tail's feathers, that's my habits (same with feathered wings). Also, I folded the bottom of the wings as mountain folds instead of reverse folds...
Just noticed you omitted part 3 of step 43 (which makes the "collar" rounder), but the pattern from your paper really fit with the underneath layer (it makes a green oval spot!).
My rooster was born a little... different. I tried with 15x15 and I ended up ripping a part of the rooster's back while folding a step with multiple layers. I will definitely try again.
>>624746 I haven't started the new version yet but one of my friends came over and immediately recognized it as a rooster and complimented it so it's something I guess
>>624748 Well, I haven't been in quarantine, but here is that little lizard. It somehow took some time to fold (repeating 3 times a long sequence for each head), but it is not very difficult.
That dragon is so sad being alone, anyone willing to fold a 3-headed friend?
>>624753 I'd say it depends on your origami habits. I folded mine with 15 cm duo paper, but it ends up quite small (as per attached picture). A neck (or tail) length is around 3 cm, if it gives you an idea.
This time a cherry-red ox and orange tiger. I found the legs hard to shape for both models so they ended up a bit wonky. At some early stage I screwed up the tiger so I kinda gave up on it at the end (the camera angle hides some of the glaring imperfections). I'll probably re-attempt before moving on to the rabbit.
>>624760 Thank you. The paper color reminded me of eggs.
>>624761 I was lost at that step for a while too, but I'm not sure how best to describe it. If you're still having trouble a day later, I can draw a diagram showing where each edge ends up.
>>624762 why are you wasting your time doing dumb shit like this? dedicate your time doing a satisfying complex build rather than the same monotonous shit 1000x.
I've been working through this for the last few days and I can't help but feel like I have some kind of learning disability. Everything goes well, but then there's an instruction that I just cannot decipher even after 20 minutes and by then the paper is all crumpled from failed attempts. What should I do when that happens? Move on to the next one and try again later?
>>624766 try some easier models by searching on youtube. Jo Nakashima is good as he also shows the diagrams, so you can connect the instructions to the physical move.
much as i respect montroll, his diagramming and instructions are ass and pretty hard to follow as a beginner.
>>624774 Scratch that, I figured it out. My only advice is that the diagram is somewhat misleading. If you move the corner of the last fold you made to where it is in the next step, it'll do what you want with some help.
>>624776 Looks good to me so far. For step 17, you have to extract the corner of the paper, which was folded in step 7. The rest of the model doesn't get changed (but it helps if you open the bottom part a bit when pulling that corner).
Can someone give me a hand with step 14 on the sea serpent? I'm really not sure what I'm supposed to be folding, and googling "crimp fold" didn't really help.
>>624787 Crimp fold is a combination of reverse folds. So, for the top part and the bottom part, separately, you have to inside-reverse fold on the creases made in step 12; then, inside-reverse fold again, on the creases made in step 10.
>>624789 Nice job indeed! For the next one, that's your choice of course, but if you want to directly use the experience you gained from that sea serpent, you could try folding the western dragon (which is like a sea dragon with legs).
>>624791 I gave it a shot but it was definitely too advanced for me, I ended up ripping one of his feet and simplifying some of the harder steps. I'll try some of the animals next.
>>624796 Make a reverse fold on the bottom left first (the part with a diagonal mountain fold, not very visible..). Then, open the layer following the long horizontal valley fold.
>>624729 Is there a reason why the scan is blurry? I'm thinking of buying the paperback and scanning it myself if the only reason is because it's an old scan. Reply to me if anyone wants the scan, because if there's no interest I'll probably just use the paperback
>>624800 AFAIK (OP here), there is no commonly available better quality scan of that book. I found many sources over the years , but all of them were this exact same file, or even worst quality.
>>624802 I just got the book, currently scanning it. It'll take a little while so if anyone wants a higher quality scan of a specific model LMK and I'll post it.
page 101 step 35, what is going on there? anyway, i stopped trying to figure that step out and started smashing everything else into general shape so i at least had something cool to look at. i'll try again a few times and do it nicely when i have some real paper. is there a brand i should be looking for? i don't want to get scammed on amazon
>>624818 >>624817 Nice bunny bro. Heres mine, i started yesterday and its the first one that i do. I used an A4 and cut a piece to make it 15x15 then created this abomination. I know its bad but its my first one. Do you people think i have future?
Think I fucked up the diamond. The last step says tuck inside and note the pocket, which presumably would keep it closed, but I can't seem to find what that's supposed to be..
>>624824 while i was trying to pose it for a picture i figured it out lol. thanks for the suggestion and inadvertently helping me get it i guess even if i think the solution is simple cause im kinda stupid, i should post a picture if i want help. even the simple shit's a mind maze
>>624825 Well, glad I could help without effort, I guess. But sure, if you are stuck, just post a picture as it is much easier for anyone to help then.
I don't think it's bad, it's just not perfect, it's good for a first try, and you know what they say, with time and practice, there comes the perfection
Hey guys, I have a question about a Montroll design, not from the same book but I've attached the diagrams in the pic. It's a really simple model but for reason I am stuck at step 18/19. I've no idea how to pull out the hidden paper without dissasembling the tail fins.
>>624774 >>624775 yeah, I'm not gonna lie those are misleading and uninformed instructions, you gotta figure out about 70% of it on your own and do a weird inside out kinda fold and the only other thing I'll add is pay attention to how it looks in step 18 and try to think about how it can match that shape from step 17.
>>624837 18 is basically 14 on the left side of the model. To make it easier, one can fold 14, 15 16, and unfold back to 14; then fold 17 as 14 on the left, and assemble precreased folds to reach 18.
>>624837 And these instructions are not really misleading nor uninformed. They are a bit advanced, so maybe you need more experience to get it more easily?
Hey, can anyone make a gif / video of how to fold step 8 in the rat (pg. 22)? I'm having a ton of trouble with it. Picture is of what I have so far, I think I might've fucked up at some early stage.
>>624840 Indeed, there are some problems in your model:
- Left part of your picture (which is top part of the diagram) is wrong: it looks like a mistake from step 2. Left and right corners (on the diagram) of the square are inside your model, when they should be outside. (They are the points that will be moved in step 8, number 1, and which are missing in your model). You might want to check how to fold a "fish base", which is what you have on step 3.
- It seems you did two closed sinks for step 7, but these really are just open sinks. With closed sinks, you can't fold step 8 (number 1), as the flaps would be attached to the bottom part.
(Sorry, no picture to help right now, as I am not at home & have no paper at hand.)
>>624841 Alright, thank you. I've started out somewhat recently using one of the sites in the sticky, but I wanted to try the LFT book. Seems like I have a bit more to learn before I can fold these confidently.
>>624842 You should look for basic bases and model diagrams then, Fish base, frog base, square / preliminary base, ... Traditional models like the crane (tsuru), cicada, kabuto (samurai helmet), ...
Videos can help seeing folding techniques in action & their results, but folding only with videos won't help much with understanding diagrams.
And you can also ask here for help (or probably in a new topic if it is for a model not in MC&TCZ or not from Montroll).
>>624729 hi anons! Sorry, I am a newfag and this isnt from the book above, but I am really stuck trying to make this owl. I believe I have done well up until fold 18-19... where the diagram suddenly pulls these wings out of nowhere! I have no idea where to pull them from haha... Please someone fold with me, ty
>>624855 Thanks for your encouragement... I actually did it! Guys does managing a fold ever make you unreasonably happy??? Anyways, this fold was way easier than I thought it was... I think i was just scared of doing it wrong lol
>>624862 First, you should use the better quality version of the book: >>624809 It was uploaded quite some time after OP, so it is not easy to find it...
Then, hopefully those pictures will help. If not, ask again.
i have a bad habit of not folding from books or ignoring models if i dont think the model looks super complex or interesting, but i have an obsession with difficult models and origami dragons so i decided to give both the cerberus and the 3 headed dragon in this book a shot. thoroughly satisfied, tough fold but so worth it
all i have is 8.5x11 office paper should i even try >>624809 i cut the paper to be a square as much as i could and failed miserably making the heart on step 5. this is my first time ever doing this though and i'm pretty sure i'm miss understanding basic instruction steps but feel better by blaming it on the paper.
>>624878 As that saying goes, "a bad workman blames his tools". Anyway, if you post a picture of your fold where you are blocked, someone will try to help you.
>>624879 it helped once i read the legend in the beginning instead of just jumping into folding. however cutting the paper into a square each time i attempt to fold is getting annoying and i would like to get better at this. are there any guides for 8.5x11 papers? I check the catalog and couldn't find anything.
Step 16 of the sea serpent (page 71), where it says to pull out the white paper, has me stumped. There doesnt seem to be anywhere where i can pull out paper without tearing the model
>>624888 The back looks fine, but somewhere between steps 23 and 25 I get confused. When you flip it, the left side looks different? I am not sure how to explain
>>624893 I'm looking for other PDFs to add to a folder so I have a lot of different beginner ones to choose from. OP's book only has 4 labled as beginner (the suits)
>>624891 Sorry from here too for the delay... What is your problem, really? Compared to the diagram, your folds from step 21 are a bit too wide (you folded until the legs on the right instead of stopping earlier, cf. attached picture), but that doesn't seem to be critical. Are you stuck with step 23, the spread-squash folds?
>>624729 what paper size should i use for this book? i tried with 7.5cmx7.5cm but i could not even make the spade. Is my paper size too small, or do i need to practice more?
>>624899 It depends on your experience, but at first, I'd recommend 15cmx15cm at least - and 20x20 or more for the latest models in the book. The folds by OP (picutred on that cup) are from 15x15. With a paper large enough, you can understand the folds more easily, and when you are familiar with the technics involved in the model, you can decrease the paper size.
>>624901 >>624902 17's "pull out": that's the corner of the initial square, which is inside the folded part. In step 18, the bottom-right part of the diagram is that corner. Try opening the layers and extract the inside corner. (Sorry, no paper at hand...)
>>624904 1. Focus only on the long vertical valley fold (cf. picture). There will be annoying layers in the back, just don't mind them for now.
2. Next, insert a finger where indicated by the large arrow, and push gently the layers from inside, starting to form montain folds on the upper part.
3. Keep gently pushing, and with the other hand, control the mountain folds so that they align as expected.
4. And you are done (previously mentioned mountain folds are in blue; the red line should be on the center crease line or so). Well, almost done, because you need to do the same on the right.
Hope it helped a bit, but tell me if something is not clear!
>>624908 Can you post a picture which is not that dark? No need for that bright background screen, just the well-lighted model so we can see what is your problem.
>>624910 I assume step 36 is the problem. The blue line in each picture is the center line (I used another paper for the explanation and only folded the relevant parts to get a larger model for the pictures).
1., 2. From step 35, open the rabbit ear.
3. Refold on the long crease, going all the way up.
4., 5. Now for the tricky part: insert a finger where indicated by the arrow, and start folding along the (non-existent) green valley fold. See pictures 6, 7, 8 for the final position of the red part (perpendicular or so to the center line).
6. When that red part is placed as intended, keep it in place and flatten the rest of the layer (green mountain fold). Then, repeat on the other side.
7., 8. Result.
As before, tell me if it isn't helpful. That step is not so hard to do, but not so easy to explain.
>>624928 while squash folding step 18 a mountain fold starts to form within the sink you folded in step 17, this occurs at the end of the mountain folds illustrated in step 18 (where my pencil is pointing). Sorry if this sounds like gibberish im drunk and its 2 am. Also make sure you did step 17 properly cause sink folds are a bitch.
>>624935 >>624936 >>624937 >>624938 A bit late, but pic related might help a bit. First, squash the top part using creases of step 40; the bottom part of the model won't stay flat. Then, use the existing crease marks shown (not very clearly) in step 41 to flatten the model again. Pic related shows what creases to use, and bottom right part is a bottom biew of the model.
Hey guys, I found it really usefull. Thanks alot. Also, what kind of papet yall use? I dont think regular card or even notebook paper be the quality I expect.
>>624941 You can use regular letter paper to fold all models in OP book. Result may not be pretty but it is good and not costly for training. Better paper like origami duo color paper is nice too.
>>624942. Do not say what it is not, for simple models if any paper, but for all those in the book it must be a special paper, super thin and resistant to folding.
>>624943 If you think like that, maybe you need to practice more. All those models can be folded it regular printer paper; if you browse this thread; you'll see many models made from it.
I know this isn't he place to post these. But can /po/ guys help me with this >>>/g/92351877 or recommend me a forum these kind of shit? I've checked the book binding subreddit but to no avail.
>>624944 Just because they can be folded with printer paper it doesn't mean you should do that. Don't get me wrong, your model is fine but it would definitely look better if you used better paper. It doesn't even have to be expensive to look good: make and paint some double tissue
Tried a couple of models from the book. Was able to fold Wyvern, Cerberus and Chimera. Although the snake head on Chimera lacks some fine details. Folded them from 20-ish cm square, cut from A4. The sheet they stand on. Will try dragon later. Seems like my paper will allow it.
Well, it was intense two hours. The center of the mass is far forward, my dragon can't stand on rear legs as shown in the book. But it was a fun challenge nonetheless.
And just for information, better quality scans than OP pdf are still accessible thanks to the kind anon who shared them more than 2.5 years ago: >>624808
Hey anons, first timer here, is it normal to struggle so fucking much with making a regular ass crane? I do have awful fine motor skills, but i'm getting pretty frustrated
>>624961 Particularly the part where he folds the corners towards the bottom around 1:20 in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC_Szxdqh2Y When i attempt it the paper just crumbles in my hands, i'm not sure if it's because of the paper (i did just try with regular notebook paper sheets) or if it's because of my motricity issues Would heavier paper be better or worse for origami?
>>624962 >the paper just crumbles in my hands Crumbled ? Is it too soft (or thin) ? To make that crane, I think any normal paper will just do. Try with photocopy paper.
I try to fold Sea Serpent but I am stuck at point 16 (Pull out the white paper from behind) on page 71... There is no way to pull paper, it is quite stuck from previous folds. Could anyone please help?
>>624977 yeah, it isn't as good as i want it to be though. i need to take my time with it. i'll try the light too, probably an led or something like that (maybe a bigger model too)
Years ago I made some archives of all the available JOAS/Tanteidan stuff. It's been long enough that it might be useful to do that again, but I have some gaps to fill in...
Does anyone know if Tanteidan Magazine 200 is out there anywhere? Haven't seen it on here, on exvagos, or on the usual e-book places. I tried to get on that chinese forum, but the verification emails never seem to arrive so I can't search or download anything...
Also an even more annoying one: The versions I have for issues 185, 186, 195, and 199 don't include the "English Digest" translation pages. Does anyone have copies of those issues that include these?
I'd be happy to re-share anything I do have if that's helpful to anybody.
Wow, I really didn't think someone would have these. Thanks so much!
Here's BOS Spring 2015: https://www.mediafire.com/file/qnz0dlpurulk3l6/BOS_2015_Spring.pdf/file It's on one of those free throwaway accounts, so please reshare if that link eventually dies
>>625001 On MediaFire It means that the file was sent by a non-signed-in user. So the file will get deleted after a certain amount of days (I think it was 7).
Iirc the file will stay up as long as people will keep downloading it but I'm not sure.
You can achieve a similar purpose by using services like WeTransfer, which is cool if you don't want to make an account and don't want to stay below 8 mb
Also thank you for Bos 2015 spring! I'm sorry i don't have the 199 digest but maybe if I ask around I'll be able to get it. And I'm glad I was able to help
Thanks again man. No worries on 199, I'm sure it'll show up eventually.
I love that they started doing the translations. Fuse's column is so awesome, it's great to be able to read the articles in this magazine now.
I've been fiddling with OCRing and machine translating the old issues. It's definitely not as good as a real translation, but it seems kinda workable. Gotta figure out a decent workflow for it though, it looks like it might end up being a pain with the way the magazine is formatted.
>>625003 For a recent workflow I'd suggest two ways
1st way: this one is free Use Google LENS to OCR. This will be hard to automate but it gives the best result. Sadly one page at a time and smartphone reliant.
2nd way if you are impressed by LENS you should give Google vision a try. This is a paid option but, if I'm not mistaken, there are some free credits. On GitHub there is ready to use code, but you'll need the API key.
There are other options, such as tesseract but they are subomptimal, especially with resolutions under 400 dpi and languages that don't use Latin alphabet. I'm sure you could also find some libraries to train yourself but honestly, I'm not very practical either!
>>625004 Also, I forgot to add a curiosity: Do you guys remember the Google captcha? There was a time when we had to pretty much do a manual OCR to solve it! And I suspect Google vision was also possible thanks to this.
>>625004 Yeah my first tests have been with tesseract. It seems to work pretty well on the recognition, but I haven't tested it enough to know what the limitations might be. Seems easier than lens if I'd have to do every page of like 160 issues -- with tesseract I could at least automate it.
The actual translation part is also something I need to mess with. It looks like DeepL will translate OCR'd PDFs and keep the formatting, which would be easy. I've been more impressed with translations from ChatGPT though, and I don't think there's a straightforward way of getting those into the PDF with the formatting (at least not without manually editing every single one). If it was just the articles, I guess could just do plain text, kinda like the translation pages in new issues. I guess that would still be better than nothing.
>>625006 I saw that with Google vision there's 1000 units month/free, now it would be cool to test what an unit is. I didn't understand if 1 unit = 1 photo... I didn't have much time to investigate further nor to test it.
It would be cool to make a Google-lens-style view: everything gets kept but the text is changed to the translation. This should be possible as well but I think doing a single document like they do now should be fine
I've literally only done origami like twice in my whole life and I got hard filtered at the heart step 5. Is origami meant to be this hard or am I just 'tarded? Had fun though.
>>625011 Salvaged that paper and did the diamond, turned out okay so I went ahead and tried out the rat. Everything was going well until I got to step 8, from there it was just straight downhill. I want to say I enjoyed it, but being so close to making a good rat and failing so spectacularly in just few short steps kinda pissed me off. Anyway, here is my armadillo/rat cross breed.
>>625011 >>625012 used to be like that, but then I started watching origami videos and pausing and making that shit at the same time with the video. After a while I could do (easy) shit from paper because the terminology and folds were already familiar. Then it was just folding and now I can do quite impressive models.
Sup bros. I saw a video today where people discussed obscure hobbies they had and one of the people said origami, and they also said they enjoyed leaving cranes in random places which got me interested. So i followed a tutorial and made this crane for my first time. It was pretty fun! Some of the reverse folds were hard to get right, but I definitely want to make more cranes (and other animals) to get better and more knowledgeable!
fucking hell why don't they stay flush (heh) and flat, is it my paper? it's 15x15 70 g/m2. Also I think I fucked up the heart because I didn't understand from step 12 onwards and the back is all fucked up, is it supposed to be like that?
>>625018 What is bothering you in that step? Top part (labeled 1) are rabbit ears (the same kind of fold as you did in step 2); bottom part is just creasing in half. Any picture of your model so far? Maybe a mistake in a previous step is the cause of your problem.
Can someone explain to me what is going on in steps 11 and 12 for the club? i have tried several times but it is not possible to fold the back part down like how it is shown in the diagram
I have been folding Meng Weining's Triceratops from Origami Moments and have nearly finished, but this one fold is really giving me trouble. Can anyone help me with this sequence for the first leg? Specifically 83-85.
>>629205 A few times. Most people have been positively fascinated and nobody's thought it weird or autistic. One bartender came to speak to me at a pub I frequent; she'd been collecting the origami I'd left there for a while