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https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/us-set-launch-tariff-re fund-system-april-20-rcna332018
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>>533272025
Can't wait to see what new Fed chair will come up with
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>>533270391
So corporations get the refund while jews are enriching themselves >>533271577 and the average american gets to pay for it all. Capitalism is so great!
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>>533272107
There shouldn't even be a system to begin with.
Just transfer the same money back to the same bank accounts - 100% accurate and 0% chance of fraud.
But of course they made a massively bureaucratic system so fraudsters can get rich.
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>U.S. Customs and Border Protection said in a court filing on Tuesday that it has completed the development of the initial phase of the refund system, known as CAPE. The system will consolidate refunds so importers will receive one electronic payment, with interest when applicable, rather than processing refunds on an entry-by-entry basis.
This is such a retarded system, WE paid for the tariffs, the companies just passed the bill onto us, why do they get the refund?
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>>533273749
>companies pay tariffs to the government
>companies raise prices to make up for the tariffs
>consumer buys less because of increased prices
>company sues for damages from the tariffs
unless you have a receipt of customs you aren't getting shit back anon
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>>533270391
>double cope for naming their cope "cape"
America the clown laughing stock.
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>>533273068
How was it hurting consumers when it was paid for by corporations? Interesting how you people don’t see how the courts just defended corporations and you bitch about tariffs instead of what actually happened.
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>>533279894
Most ate the cost, specifically because it makes their case for refund stronger.
You people picked the pro corporation side when you came out so strongly against tariffs.
You’re all useful idiots lmao. Walmart funded the no kings protest specifically to get this accomplished.
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>>533270391
>be US company
>increases prices to make up for tariffs, consumers pay for it
>gets a refund from the government. The consumer (the taxpayer) pays 1 more time
>more wars and foreign support for Israel
>again the consumer (both domestic and foreign) pays for it
MIGA!
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>>533280057
>be US company
>increases prices to make up for taxes, consumers pay for it
>gets a rebate from the government. The consumer (the taxpayer) pays 1 more time
>more wars and foreign support for Israel
>again the consumer (both domestic and foreign) pays for it
So corporate taxes are bad?
>>533280184
The DNC supports increasing corporate taxes. Tax the rich and all that.
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>>533270391
Trump Establishment will refund the corporations but normal people who had to indirectly pay the increased cost won't see shit. On top of prices remaining just as high. I hate miggers so fucking much it's unreal
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>>533280314
Now you’re just coping.
>>533280368
The DNC is always wanting to increase taxes on the rich. Not sure why you’re lying.
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>>533280625
The courts decided that trade barriers are illegal and that Congress has to erect them.
Further showing that our Congress works on behalf of corporations, who want to fleece the nation. These are the people you’re siding with.
>just let the free market destroy your nation
No.
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>>533280717
>corporations, who want to fleece the nation
You're letting them do that even more boldly right now since the tariffs are removed AND you're refunding them (which you said will never ever ever happen btw). Do you think they'll decrease the prices to pre-tariff levels? Next time you impose tariffs, the same thin will happen, they'll increase the prices even more.
The consumers would not have had to pay the tariffs if you didn't impose them.
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>>533270391
Would've been easier to not impose tariffs at all. Pay the people back with their own tax dollars. How many actually useful and helpful things aren't being funded because of this?
This is how you create a bloated government to steal money from the people. Instead of taking in tax money and earmarking it to useful things, just keep tossing it around until it "mysteriously" evaporates. In between every transaction there are someone handling said transaction who are taking a cut.
So you pay one amount in taxes and tariffs, but only get paid back for the tariffs in your own tax money, but you're not being paid back everything you paid in taxes, because the rest of your taxes are used to fund the bullshit. A better approach would be to pay taxes, fund something PEOPLE NEED, and they will reap the rewards of those things.
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>>533270391
Nice, so where's my refund?
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>>533281401
It's a tax on the consumers. They make up for the tariffs by increasing prices. That's already just effectively taxing the consumers.
But now you're also refunding that tax to the corporates, letting them basically double fleece the consumers.
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>>533281666
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/USDHSCBP/bulletins/4126a9c
Ohnonono
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>>533282056
Corporations pay it but their profit doesn't decrease because they increase the prices. Now the corporate is making the same profit but the consumer is paying more. Who is getting taxed?
How is this hard to understand?
And you keep ignoring the fact that you're REFUNDING that "tax" to the corporates. So the consumer paid the tax but the corporates are getting the refund.
>Consumers still pay for it
When did I argue otherwise?
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>>533281670
>8 trillion or whatever trump said. My wallet is ready
For people of his tribe, it is always the 6.
>Trumpeldor
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>>533282348
>corporations pay it but their profit doesn’t decrease
Incorrect. Tax liabilities comes directly out of their income. Without it, the excess income becomes profit.
You people don’t understand how taxes work.
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>>533282443
>incorrect
Holy shit you're actually retarded. The taxes only work if the income stays the same. When they hike the prices, their income also increases.
And you still keep ignoring that you're refunding the "taxes."
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>>533282599
That’s simply incorrect. Corporations don’t pay the tax at point of sale. They pay it in lump sum quarterly.
Higher taxes means they have higher tax liability, thus pay more. The inverse applies as well.
Lower taxes means more profit for corporations. This is simply how taxes work, and it’s why I can easily force you to twist yourself into a pretzel as you try to defend corporate taxes but insist tariffs aren’t effectively the same thing.
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>>533282727
Lower taxes means more profit for the corporations because they don't reduce the prices and their income stays the same. No one is arguing that.
Higher taxes means same profit because they hike the prices and their income increases.
>try to defend corporate taxes
When the fuck did I defend corporate taxes?
You're still refunding the taxes that the consumers paid btw.
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>>533270391
Just to clarify, this only applies to the ieepa tariffs. Most of which simply got moved to section 232 after they ordered ieepa was unconstitutional. So you will still be paying tariffs, but the company you bought it from will get a kick back for the ieepa stuff
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>>533282833
You don’t understand price elasticity. Increasing prices leads to decrease in units sold, which impacts their income per unit sold. Which impacts profits.
If a corporation increases prices proportionally to a tax hike, they will have less profit in the end due to a decrease in units sold. This is economic reality.
This is why people like you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
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>>533282976
I know, which is why Trump tried to tax corporations via tariffs but Congress, that is lobbied by said corporations, refused to codify the tariffs.
Corporations prefer no trade barriers interrupting their profits, and their goons in Congress comply.
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>>533282964
You didn't address that the consumers pay more in both scenarios. What is the benefit to the consumers?
The consumers who need those goods pay more while the corporate profits stay the same.
And you're still refunding the corporates.
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>>533283107
Wow it’s almost like taxing entities that are in a supply chain leads to increase prices for consumers.
I’m simply correcting your misconceptions regarding how taxes work. Higher taxes directly impact the profit of corporations.
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Taxing the rich doesn't work btw.
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>>533283298
>no it doesn’t.
You’re simply wrong, anon. You’ve demonstrated that you don’t understand how taxes work and now you’re just stubbornly insisting that you’re correct despite this ignorance.
This is one of the biggest problems with people like you. You’re so ignorant of how literally everything works.
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>>533283376
Even Trump agrees with me that hiking taxes does nothing but discourage investment. >>533283370
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>>533283039
No one is being reimbursed for lost sales.
Some kike toy maker sued and it went to the supreme Court and they ruled that the ieepa tariffs were unconstitutional because it doesn't fall under presidential powers. Trump then raised the tariffs and moved them to other parts where the supreme Court can't touch them. The government is now required to refund importers the ieepa tariffs, if they can figure out how to navigate this clusterfuck
So the tariffs are not gone, just changed from emergency presidential powers, to standard HTS stuff. The consumer still overpaid and will continue to do so. The importer gets a break
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>>533283486
> The government is now required to refund importers the ieepa tariffs, if they can figure out how to navigate this clusterfuck
It’s pretty simple since duties paid are on record. Just give them tax rebates.
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>>533270391
>buy something online from overseas
>fedex pays the tariff and bills me
>I pay fedex
>federal gov refunds fedex for the tariff they paid
Will fedex refund me too? I am guessing not. I think this is going to be a huge boon to FedEx and others who implemented this system it almost feels like an intentional scheme.
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>>533283569
Hahaha, just like your taxes right?
No the process is:
>go to ace portal and make an account
>only the importer or broker can do so, no third parties
>wait for CAPE portal to go live
>Upload a cvs file with the entry numbers for which you are requesting ieepa refunds
>this is only phase 1 and only applies to entries in the last 90 days
>if your entry has been purged because it's been more than 90 days then you wait for further instructions
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>>533283830
Outsourcing is also lower, since it became more expensive under Trump.
>>533283832
What are you even trying to say, anon? The treasury has a record of everyone who paid duties.
It’s really exhausting when you people just imagine scenarios instead of constructing arguments.
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>>533283988
No, I'm talking about outsourcing. Most Americans don't work in manufacturing.
You were talking about "losing jobs" with higher prices earlier. This is exactly what is happening. Services jobs getting outsourced with prices increasing at home.
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>>533284094
You’re just pulling shit out of your ass. The AI craze has led to services replacing some jobs, but those AI companies aren’t foreign. So I’m not sure where you think the outsourcing is happening at an increased rate.
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>>533284179
Because that's what is happening. I would post a link but you will say "uh noooo that's not happening it's just the mediaaaa."
>>533284237
Services ARE getting outsourced. Companies like IBM, NVIDIA, and Amazon are especially increasing their footprints in India while laying off Americans.
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>>533283895
They're not going to refund anyone unless you ask for it and it matches their records. What I posted is direct from the cbp website. The treasury does not have accurate records because cbp didn't have the capabilities to actually enforce it so they just took our documents and took our word for it without investigation
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>>533284343
In 2023, Amazon had 427k offshored employees
In 2025, they had 415k.
Granted their US employees dropped by 20k, but that’s not the point now is it.
Most big corps are taking the tariff uncertainty as a time to shed excess labor, mostly what they hired during the COVID boom.
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>>533284323
Nothing changed, you just get tariffed for a different reason. Again, the chink duty went from 15% to 25%. There's still a 15% duty from EU. Metal is still 50%. I have quite a few competitors that used to import their extruded aluminum from Mexico. The 50% tariff killed that. Mexican extruders are dirt cheap, and good quality but there's no reason to use them now.
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>>533284751
Here you go
https://www.cbp.gov/document/guidance/trade-information-notice-cape
Click the first PDF. I also misquoted, it's 80 days not 90 or unreconciled
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>>533270391
>pay increased tariff prices
>pay additional taxes to "refund"
This is great, im willing to bet those refunds find themselves in jewish pockets, share holders havent been getting big payday recently and we need to change that by offering a tariff "refund" its what we ought to do as good goyim.
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>>533284887
Jeez this tax thing seems like a scam.
>>533284893
I’m still not seeing the issue.
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>>533279997
>Most ate the cost,
No one ate the cost. It's unsustainable to eat 25%-75% of the cost. I can't think of a single entity that didn't pass the cost on. I only do B2B but our local suppliers simply raised prices by the standard amount and then added a % tariff surcharge. We saw ranged from 6% to 20%. Again this is all local stuff, some of which required foreign raw materials like chemicals and others more finished goods like brackets. Not to mention the inflation and now the war fucking everything over. Domestic aluminum prices have gone up like 40% since last year. That's just raw aluminum with 0 work done to it. Now with the Iran shit, plastics are becoming scarce in the East and supply lines are getting fucked. One of our plastic vendors cut us off because he doesn't have enough raw materials to deliver ordered goods so we had to go to his competition.
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>>533284985
There is no expiration. There was always a maximum.
Under Biden they were going to impose a very badly written 300% tariff on chink raw metal but it lost in court and by appeals time trump put a 50% on all metal instead.
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>>533284576
Remember, you paid this increase and now Mr Sheklestien gets the refund!
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>>533285279
Architectural structures for commercial clients.
>>533285226
You don't consume enough to be affected by it yet. Some of my competitors still have chink stock from two years ago so they haven't raised prices much, some ran out this year and had to raise prices 20% year to year which is unheard of. It's safe to say that vehicles will increase in price a lot once the aluminum price surge is set in. The price has gone up and will continue to go up. Again, this is not imported stuff, just domestic supplies that have gone up because of demand.
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>>533271006
Whatever keeps my hot dog and drink at $1.50
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>>533285572
I don’t buy a lot of chink shit so I didn’t feel the increase.
>construction
Ok that’s fine, but I don’t understand what you guys think the future entails as we rely on foreign nations more for our base materials. It’s only going to get more expensive as we source less of our own stuff.
Shock and recovery is better than slow death in my opinion. Should do it while we are wealthy.
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>>533285363
That's the renewed ieepa ie section 122. Yes you're right they will expire, but they will be renewed or replaced. No one is expecting tariffs to go away. There's already a section 301 investigation open which will probably see something closer to the original Biden era tariff of 300% on foreign metals from China and closer to 100% from the rest of the world unless they come kiss ass. For now we have section 232 on metal and pharmaceuticals which won't expire
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>>533285736
The idea was to bring manufacturing back here which I'm all for. The problem is the mindset, process and price. I don't see a way for things to improve any time soon. We manufacture everything we can in the US and we get priced out of a lot of projects. We're ok with that because we have a reputation for quality. The issue is the way some of these tariffs are implemented don't encourage manufacturing here, instead it's better to find loopholes and work arounds.
I will give you a funny story. One of our competitors is a chink mega corporation. They are worth billions while we gross about 30 million a year. When the Biden tariffs were going to go up, they invested 5 billion into facilities in SEA to get around the 300% tariff on chink metal goods. The way that law was written, as long as the exporter was not China, it was taxed at a lower rate. Then Trump gets elected and implements a 50% global tariff on all metal and basically burned those 5 billion dollars spent in Malaysia and Thailand
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>>533270391
MIGA
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The funniest thing about these tariffs is that the cost was already passed on to the consumer, therefore removing or refunding them only results in massive windfall profits for corporations. The prices are NEVER going back to where they were relative to the removal of future tariffs.
I remember all the posts of adamant migga retards defending the tariffs when Trump first announced them. They all parroted his lies that China would pay for it.
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>>533286213
I doubt it. It's a matter of national security. Like I said, Biden admin had a very badly written proposal that had much higher rates. With the wars going on we're headed for more self reliance. I was hoping Canada and Mexico would be given breaks but that shit went right out the window
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>>533286295
Lmao that is a funny story.
As to the question of restoring the basis of the American economy, there is no painless solution. Fundamentally we need trade barriers to make it more expensive for American corps to outsource. Only when foreign solutions become more expensive will incentives shift that allows us to regrow our economy.
The problem is that corporations will never take this lightly, and Congress is the branch of government that has authority to enact such solutions. So the answer is clearly protectionist trade barriers, but the question is how do we get them enacted.
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>Taxpayers pay the tariffs on goods
>Corperation middlemen importers get the tax refund paid for by taxpayers
>Taxpayers get doubleshafted both ways
Amazing, you sure you guys are a democracy and not a corporatocracy?
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>>533286720
>You’ve all shown to not be allies
We are vassal states, not allies. Your president makes that abundantly clear and lacks the tact to keep up the ruse that we were ever allies.
Your glowies have a death grip on our politicians and your multinationals rape our nation for resources. You impose globalism, multiculturalism and soft power consisting of niggers.
I find it hard to believe you identity with the degenerate US empire. It surely doesn't represent you or your interests, unless you are a subversive kike.
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>A February report from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York found that American consumers and companies paid nearly 90% of the cost of Trump’s tariffs in 2025 – a trend that could continue if tariffs stay in place this year.
>A recent CNBC survey of chief financial officers across sectors found that while executives' companies plan to apply for tariff refunds, they aren't planning to share that money with consumers.
Companies AND consumers paid 90% of it.
ONLY companies get a refund.
Wow surprising.
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