>>533273488
No. If environmental conditions didn't change much, then evolution won't occur much if at all, selection pressure is the driving force. Plenty of animals haven't changed much in hundreds of millions of years because they were amazing then and are amazing now, see sharks.

>>533273488
>much
So they did change, how do you explain this?

time is gay

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>>533273488
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>>533273654
>>533273488
or horseshoe crabs, or the nautilus, lots of shrimps, some ants, many fish like sturgeon, jellyfish.

doesn't fossilization take like 150.000 years?

>4,300 years ago

Lol, lmao even

>>533273488
If evolution isn't real, how are jews breeding us into better cattle with race-mixing? Check and mate.

>>533273488
That's expected though. 4000 years is nothing.
Modern humans are literally 100% the exact same as 20,000 year old humans

>>533274043
No. Fossilization must be fast because it has to happen before decay and/or environmental destruction so it typically takes a hours to months. The medium of fossilization is very significant in determining time to fossilize. Fossilization is also uncommon because most things will just decay/be destroyed, not get like buried in ash or clay or tar that prevent this.

>>533274472
Also this 4k years ain't much unless there's extreme pressure. It can happen that quickly through selective breeding imposed by humans, which is a form of "artificial" environmental pressure where the selection is based on what humans like, see dog breeds, many plants we eat, etc.

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>>533274476
And it sucks because we will likely never know a fraction of the species that used to exist on this planet. Only what we can dig up and find because it by chance died in the perfect conditions to make it last. Sure, even today we guess a lot of stuff but the guesses are based upon understanding of creatures alive today, and comparing them against the dead ones. However, there are tons of species of sea creature we will never have any semblance of what they looked like because their soft squishy bits decayed. Pic related.

>>533275115
Yeah it kinda blows that there are tons of organisms we'll never know about :(

>>533273488
Evolution is not a process created by time alone, there need to be enviromental pressures for it to occur. Why would this animals change if they don't have to and can live just fine as they are?
I think evolution deniers or flat earth niggas are feds trying to poison the well to make right-wingers look retarded

>>533273716
Genetic drift happens no matter what, there is always a small amount of change occurring

>>533274043
>hold still for 150000 years while I fossilize you

The major changes happen during the peak cataclysm cycles, when the sun pulls a micronova and fucks everything up

>>533273488
>these things didn't evolve
>other things evolved from them
>why isn't everything different?
I can't

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>>533273488
Of course they wouldn't change, they're fossils.

>>533273654
Sounds like intelligent design. What a cool feature god have to living organisms!

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>>533273903

neither evolution nor the fossil record detract from there being a creator
most paleontologists ive worked with were christian

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>>533274043
REPENT! Earf is 6000 years old!

>>533273488
their niche never changed so why would the organism

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>>533274472

>>533279247
You cannot have evolution and static creation, broski

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>>533273488
evolution being slow is a point against young earth creationist mythology

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>>533279595
REPENT

>>533279591
you need to disprove geology first, retard. but you're not going to do that, because you can't. biblical literalists are the leading cause of atheism, btw. no one has done more damage to christianity than american protestants

>>533273488
Well duh

>>533273488
Evolution bros can you help me understand. Take the case of a woodpecker. How do the first woodpeckers come about? Does one bird realize it can jackhammer a tree and get more insects, precipitating change? Or does it have to be some slow gradual change of beaks more suited to hammering? or does it happen with some fucking mutant with a jackhammer head who just out competes everyone? Is evolution by leaps or by drift? Or different in different cases? BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WOODPECKER!?!?!?!

>>533274472
>The Irish have the lowest IQ among European people
>Exhibit A

>>533279062
Yeah, humans do it. Nature doesn't unless you call natural measurable physical changes God. In which case you're no different than any evolution believer, you just use God instead of universe or nature and no scientist really cares about that.

>>533280066
>birb pecking on dirt bcs has to compete with everyone
>it works
>enforce behaviour
>stronger beaks
>pick on rotting trees for hiding bugs
>no need for too strong beaks cuz rotting tree isn't that strong
>it works
>enforce behaviour
>stronger beaks
>can peck tree barks for bugs
>it works
>enforce behaviour
>repeat
The only fact they can't peck on stones because it would require biological matter capable breaking non biological fossil based stones.

>>533279062
>>533282920
You're also free to believe God made evolution work the way it does or God did the big bang or God created the physical constants or other natural phenomena, creating a fun mystery that people can solve. Scientists generally don't care about that either because it affects nothing about the mechanistic workings that are studied, or how and what to study. It's only when you start going off into supernatural bullshit like the Earth is 6k years old, or somehow because God made evolution that has anything to do with Christ/Mohammed or whatever divine belief you have, that you sound like a tard and people will begin to disregard what you say.

>>533283184
thanks for responding. I guess the next question is why all the birds pecking on dirt or rotten logs didn't take that path.

>>533284293
Because pecking on living trees is a niche which forced by competition other birds taken on their own niche like crows evolving to stalk & guide predators to feed on their hunt while also being able feed on bugs and berries.

>>533277592
Why did God make genetics do that?

>>533273654
You're an idiot.

>>533285200
So you don't buy Gould's punctuated equilibrium theory? How does your explanation differ from Lamarckism?

“In Lamarckism, the transfer is direct. An organism perceives the environmental change, responds in the “right” way, and passes its appropriate reaction directly to its offspring”

>>533274043
No, Satan can create fossils in just under a minute

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>>533273488
Kek nigger show me a 4300 year old pug... You are literally retarded

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Freemason invention

>>533273488
>4300 years
Literally nothing.

>>533285459
Which part made you think that, friendo?

>>533273488
>Did we got too cocky?
seems you are just an idiot

>>533273488
>4300 years
I can't wait for all the boomers to die off, then we won't have to listen to this young Earth insanity anymore. At least as long as we prevent them from brainwashing children by teaching it in school (which they try very hard to do).

>>533285509
>An organism perceives the environmental change, responds in the “right” way
This is wrong for multiple reasons but it's not extremely far off, just kinda wrong.
1. Perception of the organism is not required at all, no conscious choices need to be made.
2. Epigenetic changes that occur in single generations are differences of gene expression, meaning the genes are already there in the parent and child, but expressed relatively more or less based on the parent(s) and their environmental stressor. This is not an evolution/change in the genetic code itself.

>>533287703
>>533285509
Lamarck is wrong e.g., Giraffes don't get longer necks by reaching for leaves.

An example of changing gene expression is when domesticated pigs escape and rapidly become wild boars; bigger hairier, tuskier, meaner. Gene expression can make significant changes but it's not a difference in the DNA of the piggy because it's the same pig, Just like single generation epigenetic gene expression changes aren't either.

>>533285459
Let me guess, you're a nigger and the concept of evolutionary pressures enrage you because niggers have promitive brains from standing out in the blazing sun for a million years doing nothing but raping and killing.

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There are two lakes next to the volcano. A duck carrying fish eggs stuck to its feathers lands in both of them. Both lakes have the same fish now. The volcano starts emitting sulfur vapor from a vent close to one of the lakes, making the water slightly more acidic. 90% of fish in that lake die but the rest of them survives because they carry a gene that makes them less likely to die from acidic water. Your two lakes are on track to harbor two separate species of fish - the original one and the evolved, acid-tolerant version. No intelligent design required.