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Whos fault is this?
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>>533275633
Kek how can you be so fucking short sighted, ok whatever, but the fact, and the whole point, remains that Europe used to be RICH. 4 times China despite being much smaller, imagine that.
And now, while its true that China is also growing, which is great, Europe is also declining.
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>>533275814
you guys are idiots ngl
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>>533275848
Sadly i have no desire to impress you dear ivan
>>533275819
The world had to team up to take down small germany. Bit embarrasing
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>>533275848
There's a reason Germany is declining, most people there are stupid. The narrative that the government is awful and they have a cohort of boomers and people on gibs/govt jobs who vote for them, is not really plausible. The government is stupid because they are stupid.
(same for Spain btw)
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>>533275664
BaseZd LMAO
>>533275613
You lost bud
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1. The Energy & Cost Crisis
Germany’s industrial model was historically built on cheap Russian gas and high-efficiency manufacturing.
Energy Prices: Following the 2022 energy crisis and the ongoing transition to renewables, German energy prices remain significantly higher than those in China or the US.
Decarbonization Costs: Germany’s strict climate mandates require massive capital investment to overhaul "old" industries (steel, chemicals), which acts as a drag on short-term growth.
2. From Partners to Competitors
For decades, China was Germany’s biggest customer for cars and machinery. That has fundamentally shifted:
The "China Shock" 2.0: China has moved from assembling German designs to building its own world-class products. In sectors like Electric Vehicles (EVs) and Renewable Tech, China is now a direct competitor, eroding German market share both within China and globally.
Export Decoupling: German exports to China have seen a structural decline (down nearly 10% in 2025 alone), as China pursues "import substitution"—making locally what they used to buy from Berlin.
3. Structural "Clogs" in Germany
Germany is currently facing "internal friction" that China, through its centralized and investment-heavy model, avoids:
Demographics: Germany’s workforce is shrinking and aging rapidly. Skilled labor shortages are now a primary bottleneck for expansion.
Bureaucracy & Underinvestment: A "digital gap" and heavy administrative red tape hinder the speed of new business formation. While China builds entire EV supply chains in years, German infrastructure projects (like rail or power grids) often take decades.
Fiscal Restraint: Germany’s "Debt Brake" (Schuldenbremse) limits the government’s ability to pump money into the economy, whereas China uses massive state-directed credit to stimulate growth (though this has led to high debt levels in China).
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4. Different Stages of Development
It is naturally easier for a "catch-up" economy to grow at higher percentages than a "frontier" economy.
Urbanization: China is still transitioning its population from rural to urban/industrial work, which provides a natural GDP boost.
Scale: China’s massive domestic market allows for economies of scale that a medium-sized nation like Germany cannot match without seamless access to the entire EU market—which itself has been sluggish.
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>>533275387
When is it ever NOT the Jews?
>>533275633
Laughable sneed. China's economy was behind Germany's for DECADES.
Why did you start to de-industralize, Hans?
BTW, hope you paid your TV loicense this month. Oh, what am I saying? That money is automatically deducted from your wagie pay every month even if you don't have a TV! Cucked nation.
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>>533276424
This misses the fundamental point and is mostly filler and blabber. Because it's AI slop.
Only very low IQ people go to AI for answers, and see a well written text that misses the point and has no thought behind it, and thinks it's a good answer.
Kek
>In sectors like Electric Vehicles (EVs) and Renewable Tech, China is now a direct competitor, eroding German market share both within China and globally.
>Fiscal Restraint: Germany’s "Debt Brake" (Schuldenbremse) limits the government’s ability to pump money into the economy, whereas China uses massive state-directed credit to stimulate growth (though this has led to high debt levels in China).
>Scale: China’s massive domestic market allows for economies of scale that a medium-sized nation like Germany cannot match without seamless access to the entire EU market—which itself has been sluggish.
Sure. That's so relevant. Kek
>It is naturally easier for a "catch-up" economy to grow at higher percentages than a "frontier" economy.
As if the whole point isn't that Germany is declining even if we account for that
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>>533276145
The government is always the mirror reflection of the people. Always.
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>>533276145
All humans are stupid. Including me and (You).
There is still a difference in stupidity between humans that are able to read and write (like presumably us) and people that would have trouble getting hired as a waiter, because they can't even read that job ad.
The latter have migrated in masses to Europe, living from social welfare, putting anchor children into the world, that regularly fail elementary school and end up being similarly useless.
Of course such people also exist among the native population, but that group is several orders of magnitude smaller.
>(same for Spain btw)
Sanchez is handing those people the Spanish citizenship so they migrate elsewhere in Europe to reap benefits.
If the EU had ANY brains, it would banish Spain from the EU due to that.
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Germany was on the up and up. The British and French didn't like it. That's why we had the wars.
Modern China is booming because they have a population that is not comparable to European nations, and essential slave work. The wealth gap would be inconceivable in Europe.
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You can't compare China with any other country in the world.
They are a universe unto themselves.
Stuff that works in China won't work anywhere for that reason.
With so many people it's natural that their GDP is at that level. It's low even per capita so it has room to grow. Plus China's GDP was never attained through colonial nor neocolonial means.
Western Europes GDP has always been and inflated due to colonialism/neocolonialsm (basically stealing from the global south, whether through physical resources, human capital, or through predatory IMF loans). You're comparing GDP attained through financial vehicles with GDP attained through mostly human capital and labour, utterly apples to oranges.
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China is the oldest civilization in the world and has been a major powerhouse for most of its existence. The fact that they badly lagged behind for some centuries and that they're now recovering, doesn't mean that Germany is doing exceptionally poorly.
Once a country is developed, growing the economy becomes much more difficult. And this is precisely what China is starting to deal with, as their growth slows down more and more.
All things considered, Germany still is in a better position than China, and China should be worth some more Germanies because they have a massive population.
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>>533279572
JFL. Of course they're not wrong. It's not wrong that China has more people than Germany, and, I suppose, the german chancellor going to Brazil and calling them poor, though I didn't know that, may very well be a fact.
The thing is they're missing the point. Yes there's more people in China, yes Europe is still better than third world countries. But Europe is also declining HARD even if you account for that, and going to shit. That's the fundamental point.
What you're doing is like saying that the muhammeds are ok because there was also crime in Europe before they came in.
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You hit on a phenomenon often called the "Performance Trap." In Germany, the incentive structure is currently skewed in a way that discourages extra effort:
The Progression Peak: Because the 42% tax bracket hits relatively early (around the average salary of a specialized engineer or mid-level manager), any "extra" work—overtime, a side hustle, or a promotion—is taxed at the maximum rate immediately.
Diminishing Returns: A high performer might realize that moving from a 35-hour week to a 50-hour week increases their gross pay by 40%, but their net pay might only increase by 20%. Many decide that the extra free time is more valuable than the heavily taxed extra Euros.
China’s Contrast: While China also has a 45% top tax bracket, it is much harder to reach, and the state offers massive tax breaks for "High-Tech Talents" and researchers (often capping effective rates at 15% in specific zones). This creates a "gold rush" mentality where high performers are incentivized to work grueling "996" schedules (9am to 9pm, 6 days a week) because they keep a larger share of the upside.
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>>533276883
>When is it ever NOT the Jews?
its simple, they are behind literally EVERYTHING
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>>533279814
what do you think will happen when we hit critical mass and all the normies realize the path we're on? things might get messy with vigilant groups going wild again. I don't care a whole lot either way - gonna be kino to watch it all burn
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>>533275348
Germany kind of didn't jump onto new technologies that much.
We probably also don't work as much (which is good).
We don't have as many people.
China also has a very food geopolitical situation in terms of resouces.
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>>533281025
>Germany kind of didn't jump onto new technologies that much.
Germany buys up new potential-competitor companies in Europe, shuts them down and brain-drains everyone to Germany. That’s the German Way ™ of doing business on the continent.
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>>533275348
libshits
One of these countries cares only about itself while the other would rather destroy its own culture by importing billions of migrants
Or jews like soros that sponsor NGOs that help importing migrants
Now that I think about it, it's probably the migrants fault
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>>533275387
Why do you make jews based?
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>T. Chinksect shills
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>>533275819
ww2 showed slavs die really fucking easily
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>>533275348
China was the world's richest country for over 1000 years. Why are people pretending that China going back to #1 is a bad or strange thing?
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>>533287628
Germans are inherently envious because China is what Germans like pretending to be. Civilized, brutally efficient, highly productive, and effectively the shaper of culture for a entire continent.
Most actual Germans are basically just violent subhumans mentally no different from the people the Romans regarded as borderline animals. Getting their shit kicked in by France and England culturally despite trying their hardest to infect all of Europe with their inbred nobles. Even when it comes to production it's basically just the Ruhr (Aka: the more French Germans) region carrying the entire country.
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