>>533280333
these get your clothes perma dirty, but jummy

If you do plant annuals, you should select things that sow their own seeds, so while their lifecycle is still only one year, you only need to plant them once to continue getting the benefit from it.

>>533280403
If you grow white mulberry, it's also food/habitat for silk moths.

>>533280693
I wish. I cant afford to buy land, house, tools, seeds, animals etc, plus I dont know how to keep all these different living things thriving, also I would feel bad if I had something die because of me not knowing what Im doing...i wish its a nice dream. Maybe when I am old, but then I cant work in fields

>>533281177
This is called "learned helplessness" and it's what the totalitarians rely on to control you.

You can do it. Start small.

>>533281177
>Owning land?
>WE DONT DO THAT IN GERMANY

>>533281322
i need to save more money and it takes time. imagine you have 500e and you live in rented apartment, how do you go to land owner from that.

Mulberry is delicious

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>lol

>>533281486
Do you have a balcony? There are small perennials you can grow in tight spaces. Some people even grow dwarf citrus trees indoors.

>>533281573
maybe I can buy cheap land in albania or moldova or zimbabwe.

>>533280333
I noticed that no-one picks up mulberries here. sad anyway

>>533280333
you number one problem is not food
it is security
you can produce food, and the state will just take it

>>533281726
Soldiers march on their stomachs, as the saying goes.
You'll want a gun for dealing with pests anyway.

Good thread. In the US there are too many gunowners for the govt to rob even 5% of them of their needed food at gunpoint.

Its great to get peach trees, apple trees, cherry trees, rhubarb, asparagus, raspberries, blueberries all going on your property, even if it is a small one. Once they are established and youve gotten some mason jars and a dutch oven, canning them is trivial, with even a small yard drastically increasing your odds of surviving a famine.

>>533281841
soldier have eaten food for 20 year before they became soldiers
again
your number one priority is the ability to protect what you grow / make / earn
it is done with walls, connections, traps, etc

>>533281972
canning is very good
you can even can store items, when they are in season

>>533281726
Didn't help them take further action in Minnesota. What makes you think soldiers will have the will to actually take people's food away?

>>533282052
I prefer to just look for specials when the grocery has them.

They had canned corn and canned beans for 49 cents the other day. I bought 48 cans for 24 bucks. Incredible.

Call me a jam boy idgaf I'd suck 40 fresh dicks for a jar of pure raspberry jam

>>533282137
When you say pure you mean... what? No sugar?

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>>533282109
that's the most trivial task

>>533281982
Walls can be made cheaply with resources already on your property if you use rammed earth.
You can use them as fruit walls to make it easier to grow plants in colder climes, for instance.

>>533281972
Some plants don't even require work to dry them, like jujube.
When eaten fresh, it's like a small apple that tastes a bit of caramel. If you leave them on the tree, they dry up and can be used to infuse in hot water for a refreshing beverage.

>>533280333
Nice mulberries

>>533282194
uncut, anon. uncut.

>>533282265
UNCUT WITH WHAT?!

Learn how to butcher and cook a human. It's important to avoid the brain because you don't want to get prion disease (can't be made safe even with cooking at high temps).
You will never go hungry in SHTF if you are prepared to eat people.
Personally I don't think I could do it, but it might save your life.

>>533285213
The culinary term is "long pig".
I would rather eat rats than humans.

>>533285475
killing any animal would make me feel wrong. I would be a vegetarian farmer.

>>533280333
Mulberries attract birds and birdshit.

>>533287778
Is hiring a hitman less bad than killing someone yourself?
If you buy meat, it's the same as killing the animal yourself.
Vegans make poor workers. Raise some chickens for the eggs, at least.

>>533287960
Birds eat bugs. Ask Mao.

>>533281177
Just plant the seeds in public sidewalks so your children can enjoy them.
Or we dont do that in germany

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>>533280333
>I need you to drive into my city so I can tax you in a made up job so that you can buy food which you can't grow because we purposefully killed agriculture and handed it over to monopolies that hire illegals

>>533288117
Fight back by planting some fruit/nut trees!

>>533282240
>Walls
What kind of third world country are you from? Here in Europe the government have great winged mechanical beasts that can fly above the clouds, and beasts of fire and roaring that can break down the sturdiest wall. How will I protect my peach trees with a mound and palisade?

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>>533288225
I bought some hazlenuts and pears and apples this year but if they don't arrive at this point I wouldn't be surprised

>>533288323
I'm going to try and get a plum tree this year

>>533288835
I was out driving and was lucky enough to find a fence row of prunus americana with a bunch of babies

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I like to plant coconuts in random places. Moringa is a complete protein grows like a weed here. I got tons of those seeds. Today I made a steak with cuban oregano with onion and peppers from the garden. I made edible hedge in my front yard simpson stopper, fig and governor's plum. Passion fruit vines going up the trees.
With miracle fruits to enhance flavor. I made 12 tower stax to grow in a 40 by 15 foot space.

>>533281177

I want a Time Machine to show a 1930s German man this comment

>>533288117

>I will do nothing in the face of EVIL

Ok

>>533281660
You will have to bring a ladder to pick them or eat them.

>>533289602
Is humanity evil? Who's to judge

>>533280333
Ruraloids are the biggest supporters of authoritarianism thoughbeit

>>533290293
In what country

>>533290293
I have not found this to be the case really. Rural BOOMERS are rather keen on all that but the rest of us are pretty fed up.

>>533290293
Man, that's a really useful skill you have, there. You can just speak to the fields and the bullshit spewing out will fertilize them!

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>>533280333
Love the sweet corn

>>533281177
i am hatching some chicks in my backyard, I will let you name one if you want

>>533290447
I'm not a corn hater but sweet corn is about the least useful type

>>533290447
There's no real point in me growing that since I'm surrounded by corn fields. I might plant some weird variety like jewel corn, though.

>>533280333
You'll just get Ruby Ridge/WACOd if you become too self sufficient. You can't outlast a siege from the government. Chris Dorner knows.

>>533290969
That shit is a fucking relic. No one is that isolated from the world anymore.
Now they'll just red-flag SWAT you, no days-long ops, no real federal engagement, just the sheriffs and a no-knock warrant
Some people have the somewhat dubious advantage of living in states that are currently openly hostile to the federal government though

>>533290969
A siege falls apart if attacked from behind. Make friends with your neighbours.

>>533291512
WACO was an entire community of people. All you'll get is escalation, your neighborhood is always going to be lower than the number of federal/state employees that exist in the government.

>>533291688
Cameras to see them coming. Walls up funnel them into kill zones, buildings impervious to fire, direct communication to neighbours and weapons that don't give a shit about what plates they are wearing.

If you're concerned about a siege, design around it.

>>533291896
Walls TO funnel them... fucking autocorrect

>>533280333
The #1 thing you that prevents totalitarianism is the ability to produce the things you need to survive for yourself. Totalitarianism requires that you be dependent on the government for all things.The easiest one for you to tackle is your need for food.

lol what a nonsense, they just steal your food, your farm, and your home, and rape your ass with a cucumber from your garden, fukn retard

the first thing to prevent the totalitarianism is to fight its propaganda and their promoters, with same amount of propaganda and energy :)

>>533280333
checked based mulberry planter
i have tons of those, theyre so ez to propagate and they feed my chickens/local birbs

>>533292706
They unfortunately get too tall for my property. When I have a larger property, I'll be trying to increase the red mulberry population.

>>533293788
>too tall
?

>>533293879
They grow 79 feet tall.
I have a very small yard.

>>533294918
Your yard is fucking useless, grow the worlds largest tree right in the middle of your yard and then you'll have a tree house with a view and more space.

>>533294918
So you're worried about it toppling? Not that I wouldn't understand, my area is rife with 100'+ pines

>>533280333
I tried to grow mulberries but they don't like my climate

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>>533281177
>I wish. I cant afford to buy land, house, tools, seeds, animals etc,

Kick out your IMMIGRANTS kraut anon.

IMMIGRANTS are like having a household full of NEETS that you have to pay for yo.

>>533295355
I'd like to have olive trees but I'm just outside the climate for them...

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>>533295420

>Kick out your IMMIGRANTS kraut anon.

its way too late for that.
in 2-3 years we will be shredded in the drone war against russia.
shitskins wont be conscripted and will take over this shithole, breeding german whores.

and you know what?
so be it.

allahu akbar, lol.

>>533290577
POTATOHEAD !

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>>533295834

>>533280333
we need transgeneder pigs if we introduce the atlotl gene to pigs then i as a lowly pig farmer can maintaiin a smaller herd. cut off his rump for a roast and he'll regrow and this can be done repeatedly, forever. why slaughter the pig when the meat is free?

>>533290577
Adolf Chickler

>>533291371
>>533291512
build your house with a false front door that opens into a 30 foot pit. when they no knock raid you they'll all surge in straight into the pit and then it's sexy time.

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Pumpkins tomatoes and a second sewing of sweet corn in July

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>>533296301
"transgenic"

>>533297206
I just hide my mailbox

>>533280333
Checked and based thread, thank you

>>533280409
Like what, anon? Teach me

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>>533295901

>>533290577
Mohammad

>>533297283
I need to plant pumpkins again this year. The local bees fucking love them. I got a late start and just sprouted my tomatoes.

>>533297889
potatoes, watermelon, pumpkin, squash

>>533297889
I planted kale like 3 years ago and that bed is now 100% kale.

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>>533298053
ill never understand kale-people

>>533298040
>I got a late start and just sprouted my tomatoes
Freak weather gave me an early start and my tomatoes are jsut getting their second leaf set; must be nice weather there

>>533298121
I can kind of grasp it when people use it as an ornamental, it does look pretty crazy
Tastes like ass though so I have no idea why people eat it

>>533298053
Kale is disgusting, thoughbeit.

>>533298042
Potatoes, yes! Watermelon, yes though not so nutritious is it? What do you do with pumpkin? Would zucchini grow like your squash? I'm a fan of zucchini

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Tow maters

>>533298448
I see you're an early topper.
I prefer to wait til I can take a good chunk for a clone

>>533298375
anything in the cucumber family produces hundreds of seeds per fruit that are easy to clean and save for the next year. plant once and have it forever.
>watermelon
>honeydew
>cantaloupe
>squash
>pumpkin
>cucumber
>zucchini
watermelon more nutritious than any corn syrup based dessert. i like to blend watermelon with mint leaves and add lemon juice. best lemonade.

pumpkin uses:
>roast the seeds
>pie
>pumpkin stout beer
>jackolanterns
>win the state fair
>can feed it to chickens
>keeps weeds out of your garden beds

zucchini should grow similar to any other cucumber type plants. not a huge fan of zucchini, i personally like butternut squash, it makes an excellent soup.

>>533298554
I didn't top. It's just hot in my yard and it's in a hot spot in the yard

>>533298884
Curcurbits hybridize easily; if you're going to save seed you best keep them very well apart and it probably still won't work. Best to pick one

>>533298121
Coat them in oil and roast them until crispy. It's delicious.

>>533298884
Pumpkin pudding > Pumpkin pie

>>533298884
Thank you so much, saar! I didn't realise chickens ate pumpkin, I'm sold. You make a good point about the watermeloooon.

One day, I hope to have:
>potatoes
>corn
>tomatoes
>zuchini
>cuc/pump/cantaloupe
>watermelon
>mullberry
>fig
>berries (rasp/blue/straw)
>chickens
at least

>>533298978
i've never had a issue

>>533299058
butternut squash soup > any pumpkin dessert

>>533298375
kale is good with collard greens, spinach mustard, peppercorn, and you mix it all up and stuff it in ham

>>533299209
If you've had good luck more to the good, nevertheless what I said is true.
Personally, I like deep-fried pumpkin wedges

>>533299209
I had butternut a couple years ago and it took over my garden like crazy. I still have the seeds in my freezer.

>>533299192
>>533280333
>>533281487
i dont like mulberry it's tasteless and suckers like a demon

fig and blueberries are great to grow. try adding persimmon. i like permanent crops more than annuals.

>>533299395
If you like blueberries, you should try saskatoons and honeyberries.

>>533299353
you can also use pumpkin to make curry sauce saar

>>533298265
I don't have an excuse. I have an LED sprouting lamp. I just put it off like an idiot.

>>533299395
I've had bad experience with persimmon. One unripe persimmon destroyed me during a mushroom trip. Mulberry is best dried, imo. Figs too, tbqh

>>533299209
Butternut soup is the only form of butternut I've ever enjoyed, pumpkin seems more versatile to my tastes. Spinach is good, kale and collards have never appealed to me. I'm a big fan of broccoli and asparagus, but asparagus takes forever and a fortnight to grow I've heard

>>533299430
those are good if you're growing in a colder climate. otherwise i don't see the point beyond novelty vs growing blueberries (saskatoons) or grapes (honeyberries).

>>533299527
try it again. go to a organic or chinese store theyll have persimmon. try it before you plant it. look for "hachiya" persimmon it's astringent so let it ripen until it's soft like a bag of jelly. or look for "fuyu" persimmon, it's non-astringent and can eat like an apple. hachiya's better. persimmon is good because the fruit is expensive to buy but growing it is easy with very few pests or disease.

>>533299640
Asparagus is one of those things best harvested from the wild, if you can

>>533299799
I've had good persimmon, store bought and wild, but that unripe one will stick with me forever

>>533299829
>>533299640
asparagus is surprisingly more difficult to grow than should be expected.

>>533299192
>>533298375
i like sweet potatoes more than potatoes, they take the heat better without wilting.

>>533299897
Not surprising, you can tan hides with unripe persimmons

>>533299992
Should try a different variety of potato

>>533280333
Heres my garden run down for last year: 3 weed plants (outdoor, completely natural grow) 1 fig tree that bears lots of figs, a big section of garlic, another big section of chives, couple raspberry bushes that have been there forever, little section of about 10 strawberry plants, and it was the second year I grew potatos, which were awesome, but they weren't as big as I would have hoped. Oh and I got a bunch of herb plants like basil, sage, etc. Oh yea and a couple lettuce plants

Some things I have grown in the past: blueberries, tomatoes, white onions, I even had a plum tree that died recently.

I never have ever used a single bit of store bought fertilizer, except some simple bone meal 1 year that my ex-gf left here.

I only use compost that I make myself from food scraps and sawdust/woodchips. All my plants grow very nicely.

>>533300277
you must be vancouver based

>>533300277
>leaf
What the fuck you can have FIGS?

>>533298121
I prefer beet and broccoli greens personally. Absolutely delicious pan seared in a little bacon fat. I seriously plant them for the greens.

>>533300462
if he's in vancouver yes that's zone 8 or 9

>>533299897
try fig or paw paw instead if you just hate persimmon. all 3 have minimal pest and disease.

>>533300781
Luv me figs, simple as

I watched a video recently talking about how pawpaw might be somewhat toxic or something, but the jury is still out, idk I've never actually had a pawpaw but I have seen them growing around