>>533322020
again nigger faggot
you need to first be able to protect what is yours

>>533322071
Even in anti-gun shitholes like the UK, people who do agriculture own guns, you fucking retard.

Fruit walls can double as defensive structures. You're concern-trolling to prevent people from growing their own food through demoralization. You are a tool of the state.

>>533322020
Why are poltards so passive? Your solution to any issue is to run away from your problems
>Just prep bro
>Just become self-sufficient bro

You mostly notice this with new world Americans and Canadians. I think it might be a consequence of northern european genetics + american hyper-individualism
We live in a society and the way to win is to have the power to influence society. Living by yourself is a losing strategy.

>>533322484
Are you serious?

Do you really expect them to be dying in the frontlines of some stupid war because is what happened in your violent videogames?

>>533322484
Being "passive" would mean just doing what you're told by the government and being shuffled into the meat grinder, you pathetic retard.

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>>533322020
Based thread have a bump. Post some fuckin hens too

>>533322020
I would grow sonething with high calories. You can get vitamins etc from wild herbs, berries, mushrooms etc.

>>533322766
potatoes are a big winner. kale and other leafy greens are good on the other side of the equation

>>533322765
Chickens are adorable, but you should also consider ducks, geese and quail.

>>533322766
you need to grow livestock for high calories and vitamins

>>533322766
>>533322844
If caloric density is your concern, go with nuts.

Hazelnuts take only about 3 years to start producing large crops. A single tree can give you enough calories to survive an entire month on nothing but said nuts.

>>533322844
>potatoes
Exactly my thoughts. Cannabis would be good for relaxing/pain medication too.

>>533322933
good idea to plant those for sure

If your climate allows it, you might also want to consider olives.
There are olive trees thousands of years old that STILL produce fruit. Your great-great-great grandchildren could enjoy the literal fruits of your labour.

>>533322877
we've got chickens and ducks. id say go with chickens - you're getting eggs and meat from hens, and the meat birds will be ready in about 8 weeks or so. ducks are nice and you will get eggs, but for meat they kind of suck.

>>533322020
>Ruby Ridge

>>533323125
Try making duck confit. It's a preservation technique that actually IMPROVES the taste.

>>533323008
nice thing about kale is that it can keep through the winter too. i've gone out, dug through a couple feet of snow and harvested kale all winter. if you can do cabbage without too much hassle its also a great storage item.

>>533323177
just dont mess around with certain groups or firearm sales etc. you shouldn't have to avoid that kind of stuff but its easy enough to stay off government radar if you want to.

>>533323202
My cabbage and cauliflower plants always get eaten up by critters before I can get to them, but my kale doesn't give a shit and grows faster than any of us can eat it all. It also reseeds itself, so you only need to plant it once.

>>533322020
No thanks I like being a part of society

>>533323283
Growing food for yourself doesn't mean being completely isolated. In fact, it makes it a lot easier to make friends with your neighbours. Gifting them some fruits, veggies, nuts, meat, eggs or dairy helps them see you as more than just "the guy who lives across the street".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDmXR6pvCto

>>533323192
i dont mean the meat tastes bad or anything, just that i really dont find you get much, while they are way harder to pluck and clean than chickens. we did a couple last year for Christmas and they were such a pain in the ass to prepare and what you ended up with made me wonder if its worth it.
i know guys who shoot duck and most of the time they just cut the breasts out and leave the rest. wasteful i guess bit its obvious why they do it.

>>533323273
>My cabbage and cauliflower plants always get eaten up by critters
yeah they can require a bit more protection soemtimes for sure. ours were ok for a couple years and then some new pest (lays eggs and you end up with worms eating the head) took them all out. we've had to put fine mesh over them now to keep the flies off.

>>533323452
The meat is fattier, so more energy dense. After you get out the nice cuts of meat, you should turn the rest of the bird, bones included, into a nice, rich broth.

>>533323598
yeah i know all that anon. just saying that after trying both, chickens seem better in general. ducks are noisy messy fuckers too, which also matters to me.
if you live on a river or something then ducks would have a great time. id probably have more in that case.

>>533322484
the retards got brainwashed into thinking that violence=evil, it's why they think Christianity advocated be a cuck, when it's clearly stated the righteous fury is good and you should remove evil

>>533323895
I most likely own more guns than everyone else in this thread.

>>533323947
And? Collecting guns is a hobby.

>>533324207
>DON'T GROW YOUR OWN FOOD!
>DON'T BUY GUNS!
>JUST DO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU

Do different colour boot polishes taste different? You seem like an expert.

>>533322216
We have guns. I own several.

>>533324269
Good! I hope you bring your friends and family shooting to get them hooked.

>>533322484
because this is a siege where the only way we lose is if we give up. the land and the resources are there to use if you just try

>>533324344
Sure do.

As long as you're not mentally ill, a criminal and can prove you store them correctly. You tend to be fine.

I get the odd request to inspect how I store them, but never had any issues.

>>533324528
BASED. Keep it up, Anon.
The only way your gun laws will improve is by increasing the number of gun owners.

Here in Canada, the government is trying to grab our guns and >97% of licensed gun owners told them to go FUCK THEMSELVES.

>>533324266
When did I say that?
If the government comes to take your guns? You will give them up.
If the government comes and tells you that you need a license to produce food for safety reasons you will stop producing.

>>533324344
>>533324528
ownership is one thing, and of course it better to have them than not, especially if shtf etc. the legal right to use them defense of self and property is quite another, and thats what we lack that the americans still have.

we can only dream of things like constitutional carry, concealed carry etc, and everything that those things imply about the states view of the individuals rights.

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>>533322020
I love those old fashioned espalier walls. There used to be a huge labyrinth of those brick walls in the suburbs of Paris where they'd grow peaches.

>>533324665
>If the government comes to take your guns? You will give them up.
Except that current events prove you exactly wrong. >97% of us said NO and the police are saying they refuse to do the government's bidding because they KNOW they will die in the process.

>>533324672
Authorization To Carry already exists in Canadian law. We just need to push it to become shall-issue.

>>533322020
New additions for this year

> Sea Buckthorn bushes along the propriety line
> a 'hedge' of blueberries (duke, patriot, northland, chippewa, and jellybean) to protect the dogs from running into the thorny buckthrone
>moved my strawberries up from the ground to a trough 8 feet off the ground.
>added royality and gold raspberries to my existing ones.
> Kiowa blackberries (super thorny) that I run on top of the wooden fence as a natural barbed wire

Now i can get to work on the veggy garden. my asparagus is already fully erect and ready to bite off.

Next year I'll do apple trees espalier, maybe a plun or pear too.

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>>533322020
nice garden you got there, cracker
be a shame if something ooga booga'd to it

>>533324892
>Sea Buckthorn
Very nice. Those are extremely nutritious.
Have you tried arctic kiwis yet?
They're hairless and the skins are edible, so you can just toss the whole thing into your mouth like a grape.

>>533324776
>We just need to push it to become shall-issue.
i know its there anon, but its so incredibly restricted that it'll never change. THEN, if it did, the entire way that self defense is regarded would need to change too, because even IF you were granted the ability to carry a weapon around, you'd need to allowed to carry it for the reason of shooting human attackers.
right now you cant anything anything at all for that purpose without committing a crime.

as for defending property, forget it. criminal lives matter more.

that what i mean by 'the way the state views your rights'. the whole thing needs to be turned on its head.

>>533325016
>Have you tried arctic kiwis yet?
actually yeah we've got several of those going. been in a couple y ears and they are climbing nicely. hoping they will produce well this year

>>533325153
Fingers crossed!

>>533325016
>arctic kiwis
are those the small ones that look like grapes? Not tried them yet.

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>>533325283
Yes.
There are two main types.
There's the actinidia arguta and the actinidia kolomitka. The arguta can be self-fertile, but will still produce much more if you have both male and female plants present. A good rule of thumb is an 8:1 ratio between female:male.

>>533325283
>>533325016
opps maybe i should read the full sentence.

They climb, eh? maybe i can run them on the top of my berry cage and have them hang down. hmm so many options.

>>533322484
This is a bot post. It boggles the mind that people haven't learned to recognize such obvious bots

>>533325398
If you're tight on space, what you can do is first plant some sort of fruit/nut tree, then plant a vine at the base to climb up the tree and then plant some bushes that fill up the space under the canopy. Three crops in one spot.

>>533325269
had some last year. they are pretty cute little fruit for sure.

>will still produce much more if you have both male and female plants present
yeah thats the thing. best to plant them together

>>533325398
Kiwi vines are like 40 foot long, anon. They are very cold tolerant though. (able to withstand temperatures as low as -30F)

>>533325476
I don't have any nut trees. I ripped out some nasty juniper bush, that gave me a rash every time i cut the grass, and was going to put some hazelnut bushes there.

Maybe I mix them with the apple trees next year. or thread it with the kiowa for hard mode lmao

>>533325624
Hmm, that gives me some ideas

>>533325743
Apples are a pain in the ass, to be honest. The only way to guarantee you get a palatable variety is through grafting because they have what are called "chance seeds". The seeds do not grow to be the same as the parents. Each one is a little lottery ticket that takes years to find out the result.

The plum family is a better option for growing at home (plums, cherries, apricots, almonds and all the hybrids thereof).

>>533326118
buying in from a good nursery isnt expensive and you get a decent sized thing to plant right away.

>>533324672
Agreed.

>>533326185
Sure, though keep in mind they only produce fruit for a certain number of years.

If you're REALLY tight on space, you can actually get trees with multiple different varieties grafted.

And on the bright side, even if the apples aren't super tasty on their own, even sour/mealy apples make good cider.

>>533326338
>Sure, though keep in mind they only produce fruit for a certain number of years.
? you thinking of the spindle/super spindles there? we bought regular long lived types. there are some on the property that are over 50 years old and, although they are falling apart, still produce fine. fine gradually pruning the poor old things back to get rid of the old dead/dying wood. apples trees appear to be rather like weeds in their ability to grow back.

also, we must have several dozen wild sown apple trees between the ages of maybe 5-15 years out of which maybe 8 have proven to be making good tasting fruit, and those are pruning into shape nicely too. you can often tell which taste best simply by how often the deer and moose trim those off lol. its those bastards that have put our nursery bought trees back several seasons by nipping off growing tips etc.

>>533324672
Rights are not gifts from government employees.
Rights are endowed by the creator, God.

>>533326621
i agree with that 100%. the pity is that the entire commonwealth and the UK do not. be thankful for your revolution.

>>533326338
I've been giving serious thought about dedicating some of my greenhouse to growing citrus. I believe I can keep it warm enough, but the sunlight would be a challenge in the winter time. Although, there are commercial citrus farmers in my area. It seems like a cost sink, but boy do I ever want a fresh orange right off the tree.

>>533326608
I grew up in apple country. The ones that have been around the longest have started switching to grape vines as the apples stop producing.

>>533326733
You can actually grow citrus in Canada with passive solar. This design is really simple and achievable on a budget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_3_gsgsnk

I would recommend growing some kumquats. You actually eat the whole fruit. The middle is sour and the skins are sweet. It's a neat fruit.

>>533326118
That is why i was thinking espalier like your OP image. Just not against a wall, more like horizontal lines for raspberries. I could prob fit 4 trees in this stretch. Stone fruit is preferred but apples are just so Canadian I fell like I should have them, and grapes.

>>533327054
Speaking of Canadian classics that often get overlooked, have you tried spruce beer? Vitamin C megadose in a bottle.

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>>533326872
ya I made these lower walls in my greenhouse last year and they work work really well for keeping heat in the greenhouse. The metal heats up cement board and causes convection. fully vented but only allows warm air to enter. the cold zone near the crops in almost gone. At 36 inches tall it is not really blocking much light.

>>533327168
Never heard of that either. I want to try haskop but it looks like an uncot cock to me

>>533327468
Haskap is amazing. Easily one of my fav berries. Strong recommend. Saskatoons are also really worth growing.

>>533326872
>I grew up in apple country. The ones that have been around the longest have started switching to grape vines as the apples stop producing.
what did the orchard look like? were the trees arranged in rows and grew along them instead of more natural shapes? i live in the okangan for 10 years and i know that orchards were changing over to vineyards gradually, but it was mainly for the crop values.

they got fucked hard the last few winters though. deep freeze killed off a LOT of vines.

>>533322877
Just hatched my quail today, about half of the eggs made it. A raccoon got some of my chickens a couple days ago, I put out a trap and bait but it rained last night so he didn't go for it.

The ducks are fun, they are my favorite of the birds. I want to get some Indian runners, because they are hilarious.

Processed my first rabbit. She was my friends and didn't get bred for like 2 years and she's not fertile. My main doe is a good breeder, gave away round 1 but the new babies are going to be eaten, provided none of them have exceptional genetics.

Gonna put some elderberry and pawpaw near the stream by my home. Hopefully can get some goats soon for milk.

Hazelnuts are a good idea, may clear some area to plant a couple. Do you need two of them or can they self pollinate?

American chestnut crossbreeding has made incredible strides, to the point where we have viable American-chinese chestnut hybrids with most of the physical characteristics of Americans but the blight resistance of Chinese. Sometime I'll plant maybe a dozen and begin the American chestnut reconquista in my neighborhood.

>>533327820
>A raccoon got some of my chickens a couple days ago, I put out a trap and bait but it rained last night so he didn't go for it.
fucking raccoons man, i know exactly what you're talking about. things killed a dozen chickens one time, before we had the coop secured. then i got serious and killed 11 of the bastards over the course of a year. now they dont come around.

>>533327820
I've always found enough chestnuts on neglected and abandoned trees that I've never felt the need to grow any myself. There's actually quite a few chestnut trees on public property around here..

>>533327697
They're generally in a square grid, yeah.
Ice cider is really tasty, btw.

>>533327820
Very nice. I'd like to grow pawpaw when I have more room. I'm on the very Northern edge of their range.

Hazelnuts have both male and female flowers on the same tree, so they can in theory self-pollinate. It's usually better to have multiple even for plants that ARE self-fertile, though.

If you can grow the chestnut hybrids, that's a really good endeavor. Apparently deer fucking tear them to shreds when young, though, so you really have to work hard to protect them.

>>533328312
>They're generally in a square grid, yeah.
perhaps those have a shorter life span due to their high production. im talking about regular apple varieties. like i say, we've got some here that cant be younger than 50 years at least. 18" trunks at a guess, 25ft high. one of them has kind of fallen over and split and grown along the ground and then started another skyward shoot that is now another tree etc. crazy apple tree man

>>533328515
The most common root stocks are dwarf varieties to keep the apples easy to harvest, so maybe that's it.

>>533322591
there are no women in the villages

>>533328605
Where I live, there are entire organizations of female farmers.

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I don't even own land on which I can build a wall and that makes me incredibly sad.

>>533328651
that maybe so, but the main trend is for women to flock to big cities. All the men I know living in the rural areas are single

>>533328776
Damn, that's fucking beautiful.

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>>533328806
These walls were an old fashioned way to create a micro climate so plants that prefer a warmer and calmer climate could still thrive. They would be protected from the wind and the bricks retain some heat too and so it's nice and comfy for fruit trees.

>>533322930
i know you're a beef industry shill, like every time a thread comes up that remotely mentions food comes up, there are usually 2-3 shills that keep posting this crap. the reason the meat industry is in bad shape is partly because it's expensive to raise beef.
the high calories in meat come from the fat, protein is not used for energy.
livestock is also super expensive and requires a lot of land for grazing. one acre per cow, and that's only if the grass is high quality. if land is limited, converting that land area into calories is done much more easily and efficiently with plant foods. for instance, you can feed a family of 8 on the potatoes you can grow on one acre. potatoes are nutritionally complete, and people can and have lived on them exclusively for years with zero health problems. to the contrary, their health is excellent.
you also need a barn, not just for sheltering livestock, but for storing feed for the winter months, as they can't graze on snow. then there's veterinary bills, paying someone to process the carcass if you can't, loss from predators and pests, etc. and speaking of pests, if you like being swarmed with biting stable flies all day every day, get livestock. you also get the fun job of yanking the fly larvae they get in their skin. you also need to be there all the time, and can't take days off if you are milking them. or even a morning off.
traditional nomadic herding peoples also rarely ate their animals, instead trading milk and cheese for grains and legumes. they also had access to vast areas of free grazing, as well as the climate to sleep in tents year round. bedouins were famous for their long lives, getting to 120 years old was very common.
>>533322933
have you considered mulberry trees? you can get good crops off those. fruit trees of any type are excellent. the only issue with nuts is that their energy comes in the form of fat, and they are not nutritionally complete. but otherwise a great idea.

>>533329186
>one acre per cow, and that's only if the grass is high quality.
that little eh? we should get a couple. got a herd of goats slowly expanding and of course those things eat anything. they do save me from having to the cut the grass so much which is nice.

>>533329186
Mulberries are great, but I don't have enough room for them on this property. That's why I'm focusing mainly on vines and bushes.

>>533329379
If you get goats, depending on variety, they're good for the meat, dairy AND fiber.

You could also raise fat-tailed sheep if you're specifically interested in having lots of calories.

But i need bbc for my sanity

>>533329484
these are apparently pretty good for milk. got some from the last time she was feeding our new ones and it was fine. looking forward to not buying any diary before too long.

>>533322020
>property tax raised 6 million percent
>nigger storage built next door
now they're no longer your trees, dumb shit

>>533329983
If someone comes after my food, I fucking shoot them. No ifs, ands or buts. They will become fertilizer.

>>533323008
this
also good for trade. tobacco is another one too.
>>533323258
weaver was entrapped, on purpose, after a great amount of effort, into doing something that was legal, aka cutting down a shotgun, which is legal with a tax stamp
glowniggers need to defend their budget more than democracy, which is why they stage a lot of fake shit or try and get schizos and autists to kill people. the first wtc bombing was a fed plot, designed and created by the fbi, and a couple of literally retarded niggers.
https://corbettreport.com/qfc-wtc93/
>>533324344
check
single greatest way to get lead poisoning after remodelling a pre-1980 house is to be a gun owner. simply working in an indoor range can give you lead poisoning.
>>533324673
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/12/fruit-walls-urban-farming-in-the-1600s/
my nigga
>>533324892
jelly of your berry bushes, mine do a good job of feeding the grackles
these are not quite as "passive" as a berry bush, but maybe consider ground cherries? extremely nutritious, they fruit like crazy, very hardy if you miss a watering, and can be cloned easily by making cuttings and sticking them in the ground. also one fruit gives you about 100 seeds. they do well where i live in my very short growing season. they taste like a mix of pineapple, citrus, and tomato.
>>533325117
ford talked about letting people carry pepper spray, and the cops shit themselves. but it is nice to see the sentiment expressed at that level. we have handgun fights on the streets of timmins and we're worried about pepper spray?
>isn't there someone you forgot to ask?
btw 70% of cases brought to court in ontario are either thrown out or sentences are reduced because of police breaking their own rules.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-police-charter-rights-report-9.7133967
>>533328083
it's not food security if one animal can wipe out months of growth, feed cost and calories in one shot

>>533330512
>ford talked about letting people carry pepper spray, and the cops shit themselves
yeah i know, same in vancouver with that UBC rapists on the loose back when. no girls, you simply cant carry pepper spray.

fuck that. they make it so obvious that the issue is ideological.

>it's not food security if one animal can wipe out months of growth, feed cost and calories in one shot
well, the food was secure in that case, thats why lol. now the coop and the food is secure. entirely my fault.

>>533324895
>garden vandals
Add it to the list

>>533328312
>pawpaw
native americans used to have orchards of these
lewis and clark had to live off them when they ran out of their own food. the diary entries are like
>oh shit all we have is this pawpaw
two days later
>man this pawpaw is good, doing just fine
>>533328776
if you have a window or balcony that gets some sun, and maybe some grow lights, you can most likely grow some herbs like thyme and basil etc. you don't need lots of space and they can save you a ton of money. fresh herbs in stores near me have the highest price per kilo of just about anything.
>>533329379
be a boomer who wants to drag this into culture war territory all you want, but you can't live off beef, and the amount of calories from one cow can't feed you for a year, much less a whole family. if you have lots of land, sure, but getting animals is opening a giant can of worms. vet bills even for dogs and cats have gone up massively. this is not a serious idea in terms of food security, which is the issue at hand. keep in mind that people may make major life decisions based on what you are posting here, and basing them on owning the libs is not a sound means of making your life better, much less survivable.
goats are much better and as you said eat anything. they love trees and leaves.
owning animals isn't all sitting on the porch, reading the edmonton sun and listening to classic rock while admiring the camaro you never drive. there are lots of inexperienced people that try the farmstead thing and ruin their lives because they want the farm that was in their playset as a kid, because that's what a farm looks like. every economic downturn has idealistic people from the city selling the kubota they paid $20000 for at $5000 obo. livestock are a liability rather than an investment for most.
most people raising meat are not subsistence farmers. it's a business, and right now the meat industry is failing, hard. you expect a noob to do better?

>>533331607
yeah yeah whatever. a full cow in the freezer would be great. but we'll try it with goats for now so far as the 4 legged go. chickens are still my favorite farm animal so far. very easy to never have to buy any meat or eggs ever again.

>>533330676
but they are not in the coop all the time
one of my mom's got eaten when her neighbour's husky got loose on a walk, for instance.
but the point remains, the reality is that livestock attract pest animals. as i said before, the flies are psycho and lay eggs in the animals, and you also get predators as well as rats. plus the stank is pretty harsh, especially chickens. but it makes great fertilizer and people pay well for it. people don't consider the downsides and just think "free meat!"
livestock is generally high cost, high maintenance, and middling return. if you want calories to live on without investing thousands, plant beans and potatoes and fruit for calories, and greens and other veg for vitamins and fibre.
although one way to make money with livestock is to rent pasture to others for money or meat, or allow other farmers to harvest the hay off fallow fields. they do the work, you get the money.
https://youtu.be/zAAiSHSPk_w
fyi, potatoes never kick you in the head and give you diffickultees passing the salt

>>533332321
>but they are not in the coop all the time
no threats during the day. have lost a couple to bobcats in the middle of winter but apart from that never an issue. at the moment all the birds are loose around the place but they sometimes end up in the electrified area with the goats.
no big deal
>all your other stuff
blah blah whatever. not bought eggs for 10 years, same for chicken meat. super low start up costs. you can have chickens and grow veg anon, just so you know.

How does one go about looking for land to buy? Meaning where do I find the information about potential jewish tricks being deployed? Or strange jewish regulations and shit? All the important stuff that Zillow and refdin Won’t tell you

>>533332756
look up local bylaws, country laws, state/rpvovince laws. check if you'll be within a certain city area too. pretty much all i can think of that i checked when buying

>>533331948
you have to buy feed, and the feed conversion is a very real thing that actual serious farmers take into account because it's their business.
do it if you want, sure, but beware of the hidden costs. there is no way to crunch the numbers to make it so that raising livestock is more cost effective or efficient than growing plants with the same time and space.
in fact denmark in the first world war did the math, and realized that they had to make a choice. they had enough food for the people, but not enough for both people and livestock. so, they culled the livestock and ate their feed!
https://www.drmcdougall.com/education/information/lessons-from-the-past-directions-for-the-future-the-wwi-starch-solution-for-denmark/
the danes lived, and lived well, while the germans did poorly.
on feed conversion:
> Converting plant energy into animal energy is wasteful: It takes about 7 pounds of edible, healthy grains to produce just 1 pound of beef, 4 pounds for a pound of pork, and 2 pounds for a pound of chicken. Reallocating land from animal to crop production would increase our food resources at least seventeen-fold: Crops like potatoes can produce 17 times the calories as animals on the same piece of land.
>>533332702
>no threats during the day
i guess no foxes or large birds around you then. or off leash dogs. lol my mom's bichon almost got carried off by an eagle once.
no, not blah blah whatever. not everyone has your setup. if you can swing it, fine, but we are talking about survival gardens or self sufficiency. having livestock is more likely to be a burden than a boon in a survival situation. it's something to consider after, and only after, everything else is set up. even big farmers have to cull livestock all the time because of drought, shortages, disease, etc.
and nobody ever died because they didn't get enough eggs

>>533333493
i dont care about any of your waffle anon. really.

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>>533332756
there are some great youtube channels on this very subjects, as in cheap land, what type of land to buy, and more importantly what type of land to NOT buy.
one anon, i think from arkansas, talked about getting some nice property next to a stream or river as a homestead. apparently he bought it with credit card advances, and since a homestead is safe from being seized, he got away with it lol. i'm not saying to do that, but the homestead thing is real and can offer some nice legal protection and advantages. i think the rules are state by state, but do your own research.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+buy+cheap+homestead+land+usa
>>533333652
>t. francis ford copealot

>>533333652
i should add that this isn't about you or what you care about. it is about giving counterproductive advice to impressionable or worried people.

>>533334294
you sound deranged. its clear you dont read what ive said and will carry on with your retarded concern posting no matter what. maybe you're just an autist or some kind of vegan shill i dont know, but you're tiresome.

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>>533334168
Thank you leafren

>>533334168
i forgot there is also going through municipal tax records and seeing if there are any houses or up for sale cheap. there was one anon who lived in a ghetto, but bought houses this way, fixed them up and rented them out as section 8 housing to the government. he slowly built a ghetto empire this way. robert kiyosaki used to do the same, that's how he buys houses.
it stands to reason that there are also rural properties or at least places with large lots that could be gardened.

>>533334733
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i would make similar "concern trolling" statements about buying tractors and all kinds of other equipment. most places can get by just fine with an old pickup truck or gator type vehicle.
people buy things because they think "that's what a farm has". these things are money and time sinks and are counterproductive.

>>533322020
Why would you let plants so close to walls?
Won't the plants destroy them? I've seen it happen, slowly.