>>533339649

UBI will fail for the same reason student loans failed and resulted in ballooning costs for college. If you give everybody more money prices of everything will go up to soak up all the new money.

>tariff dividend
LMAO I'm still waiting on my DOGE stimulus check

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>>533339649
>why
why did people mask up and clotshot themselves up? same reason.
see cipolla's laws of stupidity, it'll explain a lot.

>people will always want more
>resources are finite

UBI can only work if you kill 90% of the world population.

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>>533339649
> what is run away inflation

>>533339789
that's because you're an NPC with no concept of the 4th dimension

>>533339785
nice mental gymnastics.
do another!
do another!

>>533339649
>Why are people against it?
UBI is a nice word for breadlines, and if you think minimum wage is bad just wait for UBI

>>533339828
/pol/fags on the bottom left

unemployment is like 4%. nobody is getting ubi anytime soon lol (ever)

>>533339905
bottom left is about 99% of all people

>>533339649
why would anyone pay you just for existing?

did that ever happen in any time in history?

>>533339649
UBI is a method to pacify people until robots and cameras are everywhere. You either can threaten violence or you do not, then your resources get taken away.
Pay us taxes or else we throw you into a small room for years, because we have guns. They play this game at the edge of revolution. That edge is going to move a lot.

>>533339649
Yes. I'm sure they'll start sharing the spoils with the goyim any day now. Remember to keep vooting.

>>533339649
UBI is just another name for EBT.

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It's more efficient just to lower the population

>>533339894
>evasive retardation answer

Show us the cost of tuition before excessive government loan programs vs after.

>>533339649
>proposed
>proposed
>proposed
Yet I haven't seen a dime yet. I'll believe it when the check gets deposited into my account. Until then
>2 more weeks until AI takes over everything and we all get free money for nothing

UBI makes no sense with full AI machines automation

What do AI machines need money for? Duh think about it

Just press a button and get your thing... Machine decides if you deserve it.

>>533340009
yay!
such an obedient bitch.
go again!

>>533339897
Is giving fake jobs and welfare to everyone besides straight White men going to cause breadlines too? Its the exact same thing except that White men are cut out.

>>533339649
The western world runs on hate exclusively.
So the people will fight tooth and nail to prevent UBI from happening.
Can't have base equality!
>I'm not rich myself but I will gladly suffer if it means the poor keep on getting poorer

>>533339649
Two more weeks you guys! UBI, robowaifus, goynip legalized, artificial wombs, no work, all the goyslop you want delivered to your door. Just two more weeks. Don't worry about doing anything, we got you.

>>533340022
money is never free
remember in 2020 after the trump checks the economy crashed worse than 2008

>>533339649
It's the mark of the beast and will come at the cost of your immortal soul.

>>533339860
Or maybe it's because Trump promises checks and they never come.

>>533340128
>economy crashed worse than 2008
retard

>>533339649
Two more weeks.

Well that settles it, let me put in my weeks notice at my job since I won't be needing it anymore

>>533339649
>sure, let's all depend on the nanny welfare state, for sure the governments could and should be trusted. After all, it's like they never fucked us over in the past and love all of us inconditionally.

These people should all be put in a rusty rocket and shot straight to the sun.

>>533339649
It will never happen in the US, at least not in our lifetimes. The US system is too fundamentally broken and locked into spiraling regression towards feudalism to even allow the smallest of reforms.

>>533339828
Me top left

>>533340182
Yeah, like I said, you NPCs have no ability to process nuance and 4th dimension. fuck off.

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>>533339649
>Why are people against it?
Why would I want just "basic" income? I demand universal a shitload of income. Just give us all a million dollars a day and then we can all have beach houses in Miami or Nantucket and collect supercars and shit.
You third worlders set the bar way the fuck low, don't you?

>>533339649
>why would people not like anti-White and anti-male globohomos to control our livelihoods and make choices for us that hurt us

a mystery, it is

>>533340338
Oh the doge stimmy checks were a ruse? Okay what about those tariff dividend checks from last year?

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>>533339649
WHY IS THIS FUCKING DISGUSTING JEET SPAMMING THE BOARD WITH THE SAME FUCKING THREAD

>sage
IN ALL FIELDS

>>533339649
This will cause massive inflation, so all the money I've been saving will be worthless. Wouldn't it just be easier to kill anyone who proposes UBI? They're just doing it to put the white man on the dole while they import millions of jeets.

>>533340144
Impossible.

The US is an interesting system.

1. give welfare to a third of the population
2. be unable to afford it, so print infinite money
3. bring over indians to replace the jobs of those not on welfare so they are also on welfare
4. raise debt ceiling and print even more money

>>533339649
*UHI

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elon paid $200 million to create DOGE so he could gut numerous government agencies that exist to help us peasants struggle in the nightmare world people like him have made.
He, like every other billionaire, literally wants us dead because the planet belongs to him.

universal credit already exists in the uk
if you have no job, you get a basic income
the more you work, the more the basic income reduces until, at a certain threshold, you receive no income
your basic income raises dependent on various personal factors such as whether you have a disability, what level of disability you have, how old you are
there's nothing to be scared of

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>>533339649
You get killed, soon

>>533339649
all of these guys have an annoying habit of just telling groups of people what they want to hear (They're relentless liars)

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>>533339649
will they still give ubi to antisemites and to hatespeech extremists ?
will they give the same to anyone or to some more ?
the answer to these questions is your why

>>533339649
Because it doesn't work. You can't have 30% of your population not working while also collecting enough income to sustain the same lifestyle as someone who is working.

>>533340423
>This will cause massive inflation
It will also cause you hoohah to fallout and your asshole become filled with bbc.

>>533340429
If you haven’t figured out it’s been a controlled implosion for decades to lower the cost American workers in general cost to employ vs other countries and systems yet, you’re NGMI.
We’re being impoverished so that manufacturing and production can actually happen here again, in a competitive way vs countries like China and India.
It takes time, but resetting how global energy trade (like oil) takes place is a big aspect of that.
China’s insane development over the last 50 years was really only possible because of endless cheap energy from the Middle East. For a bunch of reasons those days are over.

>>533340437

does it pay enough to have your own flat?

UBI does not make sense in any universe, where does the money come from ? right now you have to sell your time, which means you work and you get paid, neets get their benefits thanks to taxes taken from people who work, UBI money, where does that come from ? it doesnt make any sense, you cant just print money out of thin air
>inb4 muh fiat printer goes brrrr
yes it goes brr, but it has its limits and it is not as simple as going brrrr and rich get richer

>>533339857
not real? When more jobs can be automated there will be an abundance of services and resources. The fuck we gonna do about that? Just not give it to people?

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Ubi means slavery for the working class and within a short amount of time they will also quit working. Then who's gonna fix your shit and make you meals and grow your food? Nobody will and you will starve because Ubi faggots don't have the ability to perform even basic functions needed to survive. Ubi will usher mass starvation and mass murder of all worthless scum who think they need paid for breathing. Kys niggers, accelerate

>>533339649
UBI is like paper towel math. How can you have 2 = 6 for example?
If you decrease the input and increase the output, what happens?

>>533339649
May I see any of those things? Like in my hand?

>>533339894
Yes. No one would ever raise prices on things to benefit themselves.

>>533339649
the purpose of this is to maintain the states legitimacy even though it is fully captured by the elite and serves the elite foremost.

no ubi, dividends or stimmys are going to happen.

you will be killed off in war, famine and disease before the elite would even consider ameliorating the material conditions of western people.

you are the tax cattle for the government to collect and redistribute to people like elon musk, where he got most of his money.

once ai and automation scale to a point where the worker is no longer needed, you be left on the streets to starve to death or tare the throat out of you fellow man in order to survive.


answer me this: when the fuck have the elite ever cared about implementing policy which benefits the average worker and not just further consolidates power within the hands of the elite?

because not in my lifetime have I ever observed this.

>>533340733
Cars are automated. Where's my free car?

>>533340762
What about when AI has other machines have taken over most of the input? I say let the AI and the brown slaves work for us.

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>>533340692
>where does the money come from ?
From rich people.
>>533340744
>Ubi means slavery for the working class
That's why we need universal shitload of income then we can all be filthy stinking rich and nobody has to work.

>>533339649
let's just disconnect labor from currency and tie it to a meaningless credit system where the money is not real and therefore everything you do has no value. what could go wrong? UBI is not the answer. outlawing usury and maintaining a reliable bottom for people to fall on for a reset when legitimately needed is the answer.

>>533341169
You have the mind of a 5 year old child.

>>533339649
Jews told everyone it was antisemitic.

>>533339649
It won't happen until they hit all rich companies with massive taxes to fund it.

>>533341256
To be fair, there are only about a thousand actual humans on the planet. Everyone else is brown or retarded.

Along with UBI will come CBDCs and 24/7 AI surveillance and social credit scores. If you do anything the government does not like you lose your income and the ability to use money at all because cash no longer exists. For this to work, they will also have to reduce the population by about 90% through wars, famine and disease. So chances are you won't live to see it but if you do then you will own nothing and be happy (or else).

>>533339649
Tired of writing. When are the checks shipping?

>>533340805
yang gang are true believers, impenetrable to reason

>>533339785
Did you know that all CIA agents go to Hell when they die specifically because of their backing of reaganomics? Cool interesting facts about the afterlife.

Neoliberalism is cancer.

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i cant wait to see every nigger or woman walking around with nothing to do and 10k per month
i'm sure everything will be fine and everyone will pay the robot at the checking and not walk right by it and everyone will return the shopping cart
finally, utopia

>>533339649
This is still capitalism as there's still competition. Kill off all the shitskins = receive higher dividends.

>>533339976
werks for me

>>533340424
The Bible does not lie.

>>533339649
UBI is inevitable and so is the mass culling of plebs. Why would the elites need 98% of humanity when robots and such will do the work. They’ll keep a few engineers alive to keep the gears working but the rest is not needed.

>>533341169
rich people dont have money, they dont have millions billions sitting in their bank accounts, these are all in assets and debt, rich people are literally in debt and generating new loans based on existing assets

>>533339649

There is opposition towards AI and automation. This is their way just to gain more support, because they believe that some people are stupid enough to belief their bullshit. They totally are not interested in giving any UBI.

> What? You are against AI? That means you are against UBI!

>>533341784
I'm OK with this.
Should've happened naturally during the rona already but nature was too weak.

>>533339649
JUST TAKE AWAY COMPANIES PROFIT TO FUND THE UBI

PROFIT SHOULD BE SPLIT INTO FUNDING FOR THE UBI, REINVESTMENT AND PAYING THE WORKERS WAGES

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>>533339894
Oh look, a non-creator Keynesian Hylic faggot who needs MUH GIBS. Good goy, prove that you're the worthless mouth breather they believe you to be.

>>533341784
>They’ll keep a few engineers alive
No human will be able to understand the machines invented in 2050.

>>533341887
Is this a serious post?

>>533340858
Who's going to buy the car when no one has a job fuckface?

>>533341859
Nobody says this. Your reddit flag, opinion, and spacing are worthless here.

>>533339649
Because whites will get poverty level amounts, with deductions for being white, whilst non-whites get unlimited buxx

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>>533339649
>yeah bro the government is just gonna pay the entire population to sit around
Dumbass they're going to kill everyone they don't need, then "save" the survivors and enslave them to the new system.

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>>533339649
kek at goyim cattle thinking this will happen any time soon or ever

https://youtu.be/--UntiMg1SI?t=669

These boomers have been sold the awakening and NESARA/GESARA lie since the 90's. They all thought they would become millionaires overnight and the ascended masters would descend upon the world stage and arrest the Bush/Cheney cabinet. None of that happened and they are either dead by now or dying. Never saw the millions, never saw the "prosperity programs". They even sent money via snail mail to be part of the Great Awakening grift.

>>533339649
Kikes are going to give goys free anything. Gentiles are getting bugs, pods, noahide laws, and guillotines.

>>533342068
what makes it even funnier is that chuds voted for it

I have been on and off a very low income for many, many years... And changed several industries. People are happy because it will eventually be used to control everything about people. I've changed things some of you will have heard about and I cannot even afford the deposit on a flat. It will be needed but people will still need other forms of income because there will be an underclass whose lives never change. You do things, fix things, solve problems and you think your life will improve but it won't. You'll be in the same house, every penny micromanaged by big corps, what food you buy will be pretty much dictated. Yeah you'll also have free time but what you do with that time will be dependent on whoever is controlling the flow of money. The best thing about capitalism is it incentivises people to do things on the basis it will improve their life or standing. My life's got worse and people come to me with problems I cannot afford to fix or things I don't have the time to do. And because certain circles know everything about me, often they know how to get it for free or next to nothing. So go into stem, learn AI and start a company before it's too late fellas.

>>533341986
Cheap rental robotaxis owned by the AI owners. Luxury cars for the AI owners to own. The car industry will contract a lot. I told them ten years ago to get into making automation asap, but because they are all retarded Germans, they did not. Now they rent the robots from the AI owners.

>>533339894
The deep state doesn’t want you to know this but supply and demand are not real. You can increase demand on finite supply and prices will stay the same if you ask nicely

>>533340655
I love these classic threads and anons like you.

>>533339649
>Automation and AI is taking over.
It's going to be funny watching these immigrants that brag about replacing Whites get replaced themselves.

>>533339840
Some truth to this. The machines can produce lots of shit, but then the machines also need vast supply chains to stay operational, even some apparently useless eaters that are very peripheral to the whole operation, yet their presence is still a necessary contribution or inevitable consequence of keeping all those moving parts in action. More complex than it looks on the surface. There's some %, but who knows if it's 90, 99, or just 10-15.

>>533339649
Ubi is a good thing for everyone.

>>533339976
Who will pay into the economy and make the rich richer if people have no money?

inflation, duh

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>>533342180
It's like memeing Morbius back into theaters a second time: force their hand and make them too cocky to see what's happening.

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>>533339649
Did you post this anti-Semitic meme on 4chan, you are now de-banked and your UBI canceled.

>>533339649
Even Karl Marx was against in in Gotha Critique Letter. If you do not work you shall not eat.

>>533339649
The problem are the trash jobs that aren't worth automating but have to be done so society doesn't grind to a halt. If people get UBI they are even less likely to do them.

>>533341784
You misunderstand the point of money and power.
You need money to have power over people.
You need power to have control over people.
Think about how many old as fuck billionaires are still trying to get richer despite having more money than they could ever spend in their remaining life. It's not about having money to buy nice things but to have power over people and impose your will and politics on them. This is why they are so obsessed with migration, growing markets and, in Elon's case, birthrates.

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>>533339649
The only problem with socialism is when you run out of other people's money.

>>533342245
You don't get into STEM to start a company. Sam Altman does not understand his company's product, Alex Karp is a philosopher and lawyer by profession. A company is 100% contacts to finance and market something. For the genius hard work, you hire some slaves.

> We were impressed by the fact that Goldhagen included all Germans in the discussion of crime and guilt. Of course, Goldhagen's book also has significant weaknesses. Some historians were highly critical of it at the time. But there was a certain fascination with the fact that Goldhagen attributed to all Germans the willingness to exterminate the Jews.
> This thesis deeply impressed people of Jewish descent and also interested, not to say attracted, Alexander [Karp].

>>533342499
It's called the machine economy. Machines pay each other to produce products for their owners, until the owners lose control.

>>533339649

They are never going to tax AI companies as long as they are competing against China for tech supremacy. Enjoy your unemployment while you subsidize AI slop, Ameritards

>>533339649
Because millionaire will get millions and we'll get five bucks, just like always.

Never trust Donny or Elon.

>>533339649
Musk's high.
Trump's lying.
Yang's doing it for duplicitous reasons.

It's not going to happen.

>>533340437
> there's nothing to be scared of

There’s everything to be scared of. These are the same ideological people who are extremely anti-White and anti-male. The same nanny state people who wanted to roll out forced genetic editing shots and covid passports.
You’re profoundly retarded if you want to live under evil rulers like that.

>>533342921
It seems the going rate for a humanoid robot will be less than 5k initially in the early 2030s, maybe even 2k. That thing will work for several years, maintained by other robots, needing just little more power than human, without the downtime.

>>533339785
You're either a kike or unironically retarded.

>>533343260
How is he wrong jew? Explain it
More money chasing the same amount or fewer goods always results in inflation. It’s a fucking law like gravity.

>>533340338
Yes, everything Trump says is a lie, and if it's not a lie, it was a "funny joke," haha!
Because that's what the person with the most prestigious and responsible position in the country should do, constantly make jokes about how mentally retarded you are, haha!

>>533339649
What's the cost to get UBI and not starve?
The mark of the beast required (maybe not at first - just a digital id)?

>>533343359
If prices go up ubi will have to also.

You are foolish if you think the elite will part with any of the money. Between automation and AI the elite don't need a large work force anymore. Thinking they are going to give you free stuff is just idiotic. You are a slave to them. They owe you nothing.

>>533339649
Because it would destroy a capitalist system, what retards fail to realize is that if they don't get a form of UBI(doesn't have to be actual cash, just resource distribution) they will be left to die with the inevitable growth of automation.

>>533343434
If that turns out to be the case then ubi will fail.

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>>533339785
Rightoids say she like this, especially about the minimum wage, but literally nothing is substantially cheaper in states with a $7.25 minimum wage.

>>533339785
We'll see UBI in China, then in the EU, and maybe after a civil war, the usa. And even then, it will be done poorly.

>>533343260

you are probably some zoomer or millenial with student loan debt who thinks socialism has never been really tried.

>>533340182
Out of curiosity, when and what did he promise, in terms of checks. Seems kinda not likely for a businessman famous for saying : "You're fired!" to give away checks for nothing...
Some sauce please...

>>533339785
This is basically correct.

>>533340744
This is incorrect. People will not give up the pursuit for more because what they have is 'good enough'.

Without a change in productivity, UBI is simply inflationary. If there is an increase in currency without an increase in productivity, the inevitable outcome is inflation. There is no excuse for not understanding this as we are suffering from the inflation caused by the money that was injected into various economies during the covid lockdowns.

Money does not mean anything by itself and if you are to have even a foundational level understanding of economics you must come to terms with this.

If you are asset rich or are of a somewhat comfortable financial position you can certainly benefit from inflationary measures like UBI. Elon Musk, whose net worth is effectively tied up in shares, would be a person who speculatively could benefit massively from UBI if it was introduced without punitive taxation measures. Those that are either poor or who have significant cash savings will see their purchasing power diminished despite a cash influx via UBI.

Stating the obvious, UBI would largely benefit the wealthy elderly while punishing the poorer working generation. Housing would see the largest inflationary spike as the asset that is often in low supply where sought after. Where property prices increase so do rents. If you think $1,000.00 extra a month sounds great, consider this when soaring property prices cause rents to skyrocket and first time buyer homes to become even more proportionately unaffordable when compared to incomes.

A silver lining is that if the dollar weakens because of inflationary caused by UBI, and assuming the federal reserve doesn't raise its interest rates to try to limit inflation, American exports become more attractive.

>>533339649
Capitalists can't even share labor fruit money fairly. Who told you they would go handing around money for nothing?

>>533343434
Rent decides that. $1000 won't do shit if the rent is $2000 a month.

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>>533339649
It's a dependency trap where you will have to agree to more and more things for you free money.
You know, like experimental mRNA gene therapy, not criticizing Israel, not owning a fire arm, allowing warrantless searches.
Basically you will be nigger cattle neutered of all ability to take care of yourself

>>533339649
it's obvious the u isn't true
also doesn't work when certain groups are allowed to tribe up but we aren't

>>533343920
Affordable housing.

>>533341800
>generating new loans based on existing assets
Bullish, unironically.
Monetary inflation goes up, price of finite goods adjust accordingly.
EZ GG NO RE KEKEKE

>>533339649
Why are people against the jews looting our country, shipping all of our industry overseas, ruining our economy, and putting everyone on gibs?

I can't wait for the revolt you deserve to kick off.

>>533343958
Yeah but conversely you can just work for money if you want to not do any of that

>>533339649
they been proposing it for decades yet everyone in legislative body focused on passing anti-simitism laws

>>533340887
It's so weird when he says something that isn't retarded

>>533340856
>when the fuck have the elite ever cared about implementing policy which benefits the average worker
only dictators like Gadafi that gave everyone free electricity, free education, free hospitals, free public transportation. it will never happen as long as jews hold any gov't/finance power. GAS ALL JEWS and then we can enter Type 1 civilization

>>533341986
this, dunno why it's so hard for retards to understand. if I don't have a job then I won't be buying your chips, cola, gucci, abibas sneakers, gadgets, etc.. if I am not buying your shit then there is no point in producing it means shareholders no longer get dividends and cash out making jew company go bankrupt. jews need to sell me useless shit more than I need to buy it. I'm perfectly fine drinking coffee flavored water I make at home instead of paying $10 for a shot of starbucks

>>533339785
>student loans (that have to be paid back)
>UBI gibs (that we paid into and are rightfully ours)
either way entertaining UBI is retarded. why would the richest niggers in the world ever agree to doling out gibs when they want 80% of humanity dead and gone?

>>533345494
Student loans are never being paid back nigger get real

>>533339649
new shill campaign unlocked
but the elections everywhere in the US andin the world show that people are getting sick of these retarded tricks
and if they don't, I think the only way out is when people start starving and go the revolution route, that's usually how it ultimately leads to

>>533339785
They are not the same. The amount of student loans are given to match whatever price the college charges. The amount of UBI is a flat rate.

>>533341453
That's the neat part
Your UBI will be cut for not returning carts or saying "nigger".
Everyone will be on their best behavior.

>>533339649
if UBI happens it'll just be another stipend for boomers.

working class must work. boomers must live in luxury. society must then collapse. there is no deviation.

>>533346054
kek. im not planning on paying mine back. fuck them niggers

>>533343696
Wdym for nothing? All that money is from tax payers

>>533339649
more like mass genocide and famine are inevitable.. anyone who thinks kikes are going to keep around teh huge liability of a massive population of peasants with nothing to keep them busy and struggling to survive is an absolute retard

>>533340887
>>533344548
>disinflation
There you go.

>>533343451
>if prices go up minimum wage totally will too

Yet these things always outpace any rate at which the minimum wage is adjusted. UBI would be no different. We’d get poverty as always, with anti-White and anti-male fucks like you at the steering wheel.
Fuck off

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We won't use UBI to control every aspect of your life, just do what we say and there shouldn't be any problems.

>>533339785
accessibility > profitability
We are already productive enough to easily provide all of humanity a fairly high standard of living. Money is just about who gets what is produced and 50% of that production is allocated to 1% of people for some reason.

>>533349172
this
i hope you stay away from nature since its tick season around the year now

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>>533339649
>Why are people against it?
Because the "people" you are referring to are brainwashed cattle.

>>533344972
Gaddafi was only able to do because Libya sits on some worthwhile oil and gas reserves, and had a comparatively small population.
Nothing like that is ever going to happen in some Latin American nowhereville, like Costa Rica.
Maybe in Venezuela someday. They’re being set up to be the new Saudi Arabia of the western hemisphere. Perhaps you can move there early.

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>>533344216
You can, problem is UBI will jack up the price of everything and even while working you will need to accept UBI to afford shit.
>I'll consider it not a trap if price controls and a bill of rights guaranteeing protection of UBI from control mechanisms or morality clauses

>>533348375
Based as fuck.

Why would elites ever do this?

They'll just kill you and keep the money for themselves.

>Trump is cutting any and all social welfare programs he can
>At the same time is responsible for 1/3 of the current total US debt and is spending like it's going out of style
>MUH DOGE/TERRIF CHECKS!

The issue with current politics is that one side refuses to live in reality and try to govern, while democrats are left to try and keep the country from falling apart.

You are still at least 30-50 years off and it's going to be a fucking nightmare getting there. UBI is effectively a means to make life sustainable because of a job market that will inevitably shrink with technological progression. And once we reach a level of self sustainability for robotics you will enter some kind of technocracy. It will be the government that will outlaw private ownership of robotics facilities and instead just rule over that shit. Why let private individuals make cars when robots create the electricity, mine the minerals, do transporting and so on? At most you're going to get some kind of mandatory oversight duty that everyone will have to go through as their "service to the public". Maybe something like 5-10 years before a new generation takes over. Even 50 years might be a pipedream for such a world to exist.

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>>533339649
>UBI
we already have nigger breeding programs
jew WILL have to be slaughtered AGAIN until it's extended to whites

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Instead of UBI why not do the following...
>Tax AI and companies using AI employees
>Use tax revenue to fund a health care program that allows a limited number of doctor visits to non specialists and generic medications
>Raise who qualifies for EBT and let everyone except ultra rich sign up for it
>Let some people take rent vouchers, or apply to have parts of their mortgage paid off.
There you go. You achieve the basic needs being met but keep incentives to work. Our current welfare system already does these things so prices won't change and set price floors.
Get basic needs and infrastructure met first before these tech retards start talking about UBI so people can get angry that some nigger spent his entire UBI on fanduel sports betting.

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Reminder:
Our modern scarcity-based system treats survival as a competition, so it rewards behaviors that concentrate resources upward—extraction, exploitation, and short-term profit—while punishing empathy and cooperation, which can look “inefficient” in a zero-sum game; this doesn’t mean wealth itself is evil, but that the rules tend to elevate those most willing to externalize harm, while pushing everyone else into stress, fear, and desperation just to meet basic needs. Andrew Yang argued that when people live under constant scarcity, society gets worse outcomes across the board, and his vision of abundance—anchored by Universal Basic Income—was about guaranteeing a floor beneath everyone so survival wasn’t at stake. UBI would have reduced desperation, increased freedom and dignity, encouraged healthier risk-taking like entrepreneurship or caregiving, and shifted incentives away from predatory behavior, helping the system heal by letting humans act more human when their basic needs are met.

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>>533339789
>tariff dividend
More like TelAviv dividend

You need to kill all the usurers and rent seekers before this ever happens.

You faggots dont want free money hahaha you are soooo gay

>>533339649
Only if you become a digital goy and get the Mark of the Beast of course.

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>>533346802

Oh jesus fuck is the UBI threads now going to be one of those threads shills use to garnish a lot of responses from newfags like the weed threads?

>>533342988
>Bulgaria giving economic advice
Does your country even have power and running water?

>>533339649
Our government cannot afford current entitlements and thinks they can add another. Super impose the 2 year bond yields on a timeline of trump's tweets on the iran war; winning bigley, iran folding; all nonsense timed to prevent a defacto government default. No amount of AI could generate enough revenue to pay for boomers and military and yet people actually entertain that UBI is feasible and wouldn't amount to less than minimum wage. You're in for a rough awakening.

>>533339649
>Why are people against it?
What do you think happens when your entire wealth and livelihood is determined by the government and the rich kikes? You think they're going to give you an easy work free life? No, they fucking hate you. They will fleece your wool on a level that makes rent. Most people are already mostly dependant on the government as it is and look at how that's going.
The moment UBI rolls out is when you live in the pod and eat the bugs. They will completely decide what the money you receive can get you. They determine your life in its complete entirety. You will own nothing and be happy.

https://youtu.be/t7mmjxkL5X0
Programs like UBI do the opposite of inflation and provide a deflationary pressure. If you print money then yes there is inflation -- But Yang's plan didn't call for printing money but instead a Value-Added Tax. Everyone pays in, but those who consume the most pay in the most. This tends to be the wealthier. The wealthier also spend their money slower than someone living paycheck to paycheck. Then everyone gets the same amount back: $1,000/mo. By increasing the purchasing power of the lower tier, you increase the velocity of money (how quickly the same dollar bill is spent). Each time the dollar exchanges hands economic activity is generated. The more often and quickly this happens, the more the economy grows. As the economy grows there are increased production efficiencies and more competition in the marketplace. This brings prices down. Since the total money supply didn't change, boom: deflation, not inflation. Yang isn't a politician. He has a degree in Economics from Brown and a Law Degree from Columbia. He knows this stuff, and he knows politicians from both sides aren't doing anything to help us, so he tried.

>>533352032
That sounds retarded to me.
Amerimutts have no understanding of savings anymore.

Elonbux i am ready

>>533340054
I'm doxxing you.

>>533339649
This is just a new version of food stamps and welfare. Sure you get enough to eat and pay rent, but you have no freedom to do anything else.

>>533339649
>>533339840
>UBI can only work if you kill 90% of the world population
This is the part they aren't saying out loud. UBI is coming, after WWIII and the only ones left alive are the elite and a handful of useful servants. Those servants will get UBI, the rest of us will be dead.

>>533339976
its called onlyfans lol

>>533352934
>>533339840
Seriously, how did (((they))) convince you UBI is bad?
the “slave race” is real, kek

>>533353131
Are you volunteering to keep working and paying me from your taxes? Thanks I appreciate that.

>>533339649
For those keeping track:

Every single individual that is shilling UBI has the power to make it happen and is refusing to do so.

Really makes you think. It's like democrats always saying somebody should do something about this universal health care and then they get in power and make sure they crush it.

>>533339649
Well yes, the alternative would be massive social unrest and violence.
I suspect it will be combined with ensuring a lack of reproduction though.

>>533339976
That's literally what most jobs are at this point.

>>533353252
Those interested in creating value would now be able to focus on that exclusively. Those who are not aren't creating real value with their current fake jobs anyway.

>>533353478
The only way UBI is viable is if castration is a requirement. If you have do nothings that are allowed to breed the whole system would collapse in a generation.

>>533339649
The writing on the wall is promises with the reality of no delivery.

>>533353728
That would solve the nigger problem in a single generation. No wonder so many americans are against it.

>>533339649
The writing is indeed on the wall, its time to cull the masses. Vaccines, famines and war are on the menu pick your poison

>>533339649
We already have UBI, it exists specifically to siphon money from young White men and give it to everyone else. It's already insolvent.

Americans try not to turn every single two or three sentence word into an acronym:challenge impossible

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>everyone likes nice things
>nice things are nice because they're handmade or made from rare materials
>there are 8.5 billion people on the planet
>everyone likes nice things...
Just give us all a million dollars, then I'll be rich, who cares about everyone else LOL I'll be living like a king!

>>533339785
meanwhile in reality, jews have raised the prices on all your shit for decades without giving you handouts

>>533354838
they've been giving niggers and single mothers handouts

>>533339649
Out of all of these only Andrew Yang actually meant it.

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IF EVERYONE HAS ONE MILLION KIKEBUX, EVERYBODY IS RICH
>IF EVERYONE HAS ONE MILLION KIKEBUX, EVERYBODY IS RICH

IF YOU CAN AFFORD MORE, THEY WON'T CHARGE YOU MORE
>IF YOU CAN AFFORD MORE, THEY WON'T CHARGE YOU MORE

WHEN PRICES INCREASE, CURRENCY IS NOT DEVALUED, NOR DOES INFLATION FOLLOW
>WHEN PRICES INCREASE, CURRENCY IS NOT DEVALUED, NOR DOES INFLATION FOLLOW

$40 TRILLION INDEBTED MUTTMERICA CAN AFFORD TO DIVVY GIB$ TO ITS SCAMMER JEETS AND SHIFTLESS NIGGERS
>$40 TRILLION INDEBTED MUTTMERICA CAN AFFORD TO DIVVY GIB$ TO ITS SCAMMER JEETS AND SHIFTLESS NIGGERS

PAYING PLEBES TO DO NADA, WILL DRIVE INNOVATION AND INCREASE (((GDP)))
>PAYING PLEBES TO DO NADA, WILL DRIVE INNOVATION AND INCREASE (((GDP)))

PRINTING MONEY LIKE ITS CONFETTI IS NOT ROLLING OUT THE WEIMAR REPUBLIC RED CARPET
>PRINTING MONEY LIKE ITS CONFETTI IS NOT ROLLING OUT THE WEIMAR REPUBLIC RED CARPET

>>533339649
>UBI IS INEVITABLE
does nobody understand what the word universal means? if something is provided universally, the market will correct for it and it will be worthless.

>>533355273
what if we only gave it to niggers and single mothers

>>533355306
you wouldn't be able to call it universal. next question.

>>533355474
>white men work
>womens and niggers spend
seems like a good choice if you want to raise GDP

>>533339905
Bottom left is all niggers, about 90%spic, and 80% of everybody else

>>533355554
that's called welfare. you already have that. could you explain how raising GDP will help you personally?

>>533339649
Pol was all about Yang and UBI in 2018
But during covid, tons of flyover conservatards started getting very online like never before and flooded into internet discussion spaces like pol and twitter. These people are natural slave bootlickers and congenitally incapable of imagining new social paradigms like creative minds can, and deeply fearful of anything that deviates from what they know. Listening to them will ruin any potential good in the world.

>>533339905
/pol/ is directly in the middle, having no effects since reddit tourists got here in '16.

>>533355627
yeah GPD goes up and then I get UBI or welfare whatever you want to call it, then I don't have to work like niggers

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>>533339649
Because giving away money makes money worth less. Meaning you get no money in reality.

It'll make inflation skyrocket, because it's basically just printing money. Why would the market not take advantage of the situation, by increasing prices?

Just get a fucking job you bum. Specialize in something that isn't posting or living your entire life online. Don't do college just for the sake of college. Do college if you have plans and it ends up being an education with actual high employment rates and salaries post graduation, not fucking arts or social studies. If you're not book savy, then get some tradesman education or become a plumber. Dumbest thing to do is sit on your ass and wish for a world where you can sit at home and shitpost 24/7.

>>533357543
>or become a plumber. Dumbest thing to do is sit on your ass and wish for a world where you can sit at home and shitpost 24/7.
Says the faggot who pays 60% of his income into various taxes lol,. shut the fuck up retard
>t. Trades nigger

>>533339857
>> what is run away inflation
>FUCKING FROG POSTER
Run away inflation is already happening. Many food items have doubled in price in the last few years. A $1 can of tuna now costs $2.50 here. Meat has gone through the roof unless you want to eat pork chops every day.

>>533355700
>Yang Gang

>>533339649
and in order to get it you must join the military.

>>533357543
>Why would the market not take advantage of the situation, by increasing prices?
Because we'll put price ceilings on everything so these greedy fuckers can't cheat us by doing that. Just don't let inflation happen, it is literally that easy.

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>>533339649
They're trying to pacify the population before they kill 99% of us aren't they?

>>533357649
And guess what faggot - my life and every Danish person's life is better than 95% of your shitty India 2.0 nation.

Unemployment rate here is 2.7% - staggering 6.7% in India 2.0 and you don't even get living wages. Post our taxes, we still earn more than you do in India 2.0

>>533339649
Number go up
WE MUST NOT REGULATED THE PRICE OF GOODS
DICKASS CAPITALISTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHARGEVWHAT THEY WANT.
LANDLORDS ARE ALLOWED TO CHARGE 1 MILLION DOLLARS FOR A STUDIO APARTMENT IN DETROIT
IT IS THEIR GOD GIVEN RIGHT

>>533357543
>Because giving away money makes money worth less. Meaning you get no money in reality.
That's already happening. How do you think credit is created?
>It'll make inflation skyrocket
Run away inflation is already happening, because we are creating money from nothing and giving it away. You people are 20 years behind.

>>533357847
yes. why the fuck would they set up gibs. there is no incentive to do so. just get everyone killed so automatic society becomes more lean and more competitive.

>>533339649
nigger there isn't going to be any UBI. you really think the corporations that already don't pay people a living wage and the governments frothing to cut every single public welfare benefit they can are magically going to say 'we were wrong. Here take some of ours for yourself'. NOPE they are going to ensure that you starve and die and then you aren't an issue anymore, not cut you a check

>>533357847
Who's "Us" goy?

>>533357792
So you'll implement plan market-ish ideas. Worked perfectly for the soviet union. You can't effectively have a government or agency limit pricing on products. They will not know the true cost of products + employment, potentially driving companies to the

>>533339785
>student loans failed
it should've been student grants. loans failed because jews bought the loan and packaged into derivatives. get rid of financialization of important sectors and jews, the country will heal. but synagogue of satan cannot stop. they will continue until jesus returns and punish them eternally.

>>533339649

Start with people (legally) on SSI first. See if it tanks the economy. Then we'll talk about expanding it.

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>>533339785
> if you make a game f2p it will go out of business
STFU retard

>>533339649
Cause these are the same retarded niggers that can't get healthcare, ebt or utility costs right.
They could just use the money to fund government programs that support people and increase who qualifies instead of cutting checks and pretending they are so cool for doing it then later complain niggers wasted it on sports betting like they did with covid checks.

Thry are talking about ubi becuase social security is collapsing
once the boomers die off ubi will be a thing. And that will be your retirement.

>>533339649
AI won't magically eliminate scarcity of finite resources. Distribution of finite resources and services will be exclusively decided by whatever party has control of the government.
And it will be used to control people. Want nice car, a better apartment? You can never work hard enough for it. Only those loyal to the party get that.

Every single one of these threads always has a bunch of boomers that worship their jewish economy theory as their god not realizing it's completely broken and on the way out. Lol.

>>533340040
Isnt AI already tolkenized?

>>533358057
>MUCH SCARCITY
>MUCH FINITE RESOURCES
Spotted the WEF globalist from Davos.

>>533358074
>WHAT PURPOSE WILL PEOPLE HAVE IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORK YOU COMMIES?!

1 trillion dollars per day!!!!! Imagine all the free health you could get

>For those of you keeping track
not for me

>>533357870
>The ordinary tax scheme for full tax residents can lead to a marginal tax rate of approximately 57% (including AM tax) in 2026.
LMAO, go be a faggot somewhere else you no guns pussy.

>>533358144
don't forget "this will benefit niggers so that means we shouldn't do it and everyone should suffer and die instead"

>>533340507
we already have been doing that with niggers and it was fine for a few decades. once more turd worlders have flooded in though and demand the same treatment it is all collapsing

>>533339649
>Andrew Yang
Hahahaha, holy fuck

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>>533339785
>If you give everybody more money prices of everything will go up to soak up all the new money.
Inflation happens when banks print excessive amounts of money for themselves. Same mechanism but plebs are never given enough handouts to cause inflation in practical terms. Not saying UBI wouldn't cause inflation, but there is simply no money for that. It would cost something like 8 trillion dollars per year to give every adult $30k. So that's completely out of the question fiscally. And we are already 40 trillion in the hole, which is like 135% of our GDP.

So we'll just keep having the status quo where the only significant handouts go to the banks, while the tax payer has to borrow and pay interest on money they create out of thin air and lend back to us. The entire Federal Reserve ponzi scheme is on some level designed to PREVENT something like UBI, by putting the govt in an ever-growing hole with debt while all the profits are reaped by the banking jews.

>>533339649
If everyone becomes “high income” then that’s the new low income. Fucking retards.

>>533358238
> Muh guns
Makes it so much safer, that's why the homicide rate per capita is two-three times higher in India 2.0.

Work-life balance, what is that? And with shitty wages as well? With an inability to buy a house? Rank 25 on happiest country in the world compared to number 3?

Bu-But muh guns.

>>533358491
Make sure to gargle the jew cum before you swallow anon.
Lmao'ing at actual retards like you who proclaim to be against jews while fully worshipping the economic theory they created as your infallible god. It can do no wrong, it can never be wrong, it can never be outdated.
You're going to be dragged into the future kicking, screaming and shitting yourself.

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>>533340003
That well come after everyone is enslaved by UBI

>>533339649
Democrats propose free housing, free healthcare, free food, free everything. What's your point? These are things people vote for because people like gibs. Do you actually think things will become more affordable with guaranteed income? That's guaranteed money to be spent!

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>>533339649
>three habitual liars promised you free money

>>533358491
Terrific, that means more "poor" people to hate the ultra-rich

>>533339649
Can't wait for Hunter games basedciety I'm gonna be a ranger

>>533358622
>>533340003
Population could be stabilized by getting rid of birthright citizenship, but that won't happen thanks to traitor judges who love to intentionally misinterpret an amendment that was written a century and a half ago for a completely different purpose. Unless judges start getting put on trial for sedition and fear of the people is put into them there is not really any fixing this country. That or the judicial "branch" is outright dismantled and substantially reduced in scope

>>533339649

Because commies lose all reason to live and are forever proven to be nothing but genocidal retard losers if capitalism achieves this.

>>533339649
>Elon is an attention-seeking gaywad
>Trump proposed tariff dividends over a year ago and nothing came of it
>Yang regularly loses bids for office
There you go OP.

It's obvious UBI will be introduced to prevent civil war and create a feudalist gibs state where they can kill off certain groups one by one

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>>533339649
Not if all of the jewish people in the entire world get premeditated depopulated by the vaxxine of word that is the internet.
That's an order!
Any objections Lady?

https://banned.video/watch?id=69e2c507e0b065680a80f0e6

>>533339649
I destroyed my entire fucking life for work. Ruined my health, ruined my mind. It cost me everything.

Fuck no, I won't let you zoomers get money for free. My life is ruined. Why should you get to be happy? Fuck y'all. And you know what? 20 years down the line, maybe you'll be like me. I hope not though, I'm not THAT evil. Turn out better and next generstion can have it.

>>533339649
Who pays for it?
I ain’t paying for it.

>>533339785
Correct because humans have slightly higher intelligence than a chimpanzee. Sad.

>>533339649
UBI will make everyone live in NYC styled apartments eating nothing but goyslop
>>533339840
that is the goal, by making everyone live in unhealthy, overcrowded slop hovels you create the ultimate situation where people don't want to have kids and will naturally die sooner because of bad health and no exercise.
that is why they want to replace everyone with 3rd world animals, they are the kind to leap into a situation like this.

>>533343768
All of this has already happened without ubi you bong retard.

AI is more productive than humans anyway.

>>533340431
>iranian seasame street shows and trans theater is brazil does not help a peasants struggle

>>533343958
>implying he didn't agree to all of that already at birth and isn't the niggerest of niggercattle himself

Lmfao you pro-work boomers really make me laugh

>>533341800
retards don't understand this concept and the ones who do lie to push their agendas

I never wanted free money. I wanted a job doing what I studied in college that paid enough to service my loans and live okay. But that was too much to ask, clearly.

>>533339649
Because ubi is communist. That means it's anti human. I trust this short answer answers your stupid question. You must be one of the brown British people.

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>>533339649
Because of inflation and it being yet another mechanism of control: "you are a bad goy? no UBI for you!"
This already happens with debanking/deplatforming and payment processors.
That being said, I am not against UBI IF there are ABSOLUTELY NO STRINGS attached and REPLACES ALL WELFARE. This should also come with zoning deregulation, all kinds of deregulation really, particularly biomedical deregulation so that not only the elite have access to sufficiently good eugenic and AI tech.

>>533339649
Elon is trying to sell his robots and is suggesting UBI so that he doesn't look evil for wanting to replace human workers. Its unrealistic because of the inflation and resulting price increases that it would cause.

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I love how the topic of UBI makes people go full retard
Glorious really

>>533340744
>hen who's gonna fix your shit and make you meals and grow your food?
literally robots

>>533339785
This. They are talking about expanding food stamps and TANF. Do not be deceived

>>533339649
Communism

>>533339840
>kill
You know birth rates worldwide are below replacement, right? They just have to wait for the boomers to die off.
Oh wait, they literally tanked the world economy six years ago just to make sure the boomers wouldn't die off.

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>>533339649
>mulitiply productivity by hundreds of times
>give plebs half of what they earn now
This would be the single greatest transfer of wealth in human history.

But this is never going to happen because the AI bubble will burst within a decade and Elon is nothing but a snake oil salesman who should tongue my anus.

>>533343451
so the US dollar turns in zimbabwe dollars? sign me up

Nothing
Ever
Happens

>>533339649
>Why are people against it?
Typically the very wealthy are against what is really their only leverage over other people; class warfare.

Classism keeps them above everyone else. Without it they lose their entitlement.

>>533339828
>literally just a political compass
To be clear, helplessness is self induced, and as such, is stupidity.

>>533339649
They're gonna have to issue a secure federal digital wallet for this, and they're gonna pay out in digital dollars too.
>no they don't have to
Yes they do, it's part of their plan to fuck the Americans over.

>>533359619
this is the generational curse at full display
reminder people in age range of 60-90 all have some type of apartment house villa or other property handed down to them by government those that don't have either gambled it away or got scammed in some way

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>>533349619
>Democrats will hold the country together
For who?

>>533357696
that would be extremely nutritious by comparison to a daily can of tuna, buddy.

>>533355700
Those flyover Americans are the infrastructure of the entire first world, you limp dick moron. You would be living in the American Zimbabwe 2.0 (as we are already at this point). There is no magic formula for your Star Trek AI over abundance future. Every single attempt, even AI itself, has brutally failed. It's embarrassing enough that you believe yourself a revolutionary by betraying the one class of people holding everything together, but simultaneously acting like these rich fucking RETARDS with no social lives or hard earned money and life lessons will be able to maintain the same flimsy Freemasonic societal structure they've been pushing and failing at for the last 600 years, man you're in for a wake up call. I mean holy shit dude think for like five seconds. You sound like those moronic millenials who believe the industrial revolution was an actual revolution and that it saved le world from dissentery and transphobia

>>533339649
The people who own us would rather kill everyone than pay for the upkeep of useless eaters

>>533339649
>tariff dividends
>from the biggest huckster, swindler and thief on the planet
lmao even, how are these turdworlders still falling for the cult of personality?

>>533358088
Does ai make unlimited energy?

God you faggots are stupid

>>533339828
>if you have intelligence, it will always benefit others
yeah right

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>>533339649
>muh robots gonna take your job
Yeah, it can't even answer the basic questions I ask about my job because I didn't start a dicking blog about it
Fuck you, fuck robots, AI is shit

>>533371586
I bet your retarded ass AI can't even accurately guess what I'm doing

>>533339649
Ok

>>533339785
I don't know why people are shitting on this legitimate answer. Giving FAFSA and student loans to college students just caused colleges to bloat up their administration and increase their tuition, knowing they'll get their money from the government. Doritos and Fritos just lost billions of dollars in profit once junk food was restricted from food stamps. They were forced to drop their pricesn from $7 bags to much less. How much of our grocery prices today are inflated due to niggers and illegals getting food stamps? It's way more than we think. UBI will further increase wealth inequality. Stop getting hung up on the dollar amounts and start thinking in terms of purchasing power. Cutting out welfare and deporting 100 million third worldies will make you far richer than any UBI could by simply fixing the supply & demand of labor.

>>533339649
UBI is glorified food tokens and the costs of everything else will go up exponentially to compensate. Another ploy to fuck over working people.

>>533372040
>the costs of everything else will go up exponentially to compensate
government regulation will stop artificial (greed) hyperinflation and retailers / distributors that try to gouge the public will be shamed on live tv and thrown into a human deep fryer

>>533372107
Did you forget we live in a kiked world? That's what SHOULD happen, but the absolute opposite will and the press will hum and haw about it while nothing actually fucking happens other than working people get fucked hard.

>>533372187
It has to happen and politicians that get voted into keep economic stability will be hung from the lamp posts right next to the business owners that try and rob the public with false claims of increased overhead.

Mobs of starving people will devour anyone that tries to destabilize the local economy, business will be burned to the ground and the government will be overthrown due to their refusal to uphold their duties. Even law enforcement have families that have to eat, anon. No one is safe when everything is at risk.

It has to be done.

>>533339649
Please list programs that the government hasn't royally fucked up.
I'll started;
Ok, I'm done.

>>533339649
I'm against it because I have a job and own real estate so if UBI ever comes to exist it will just mean I'll get taxed even more while I basically give 50% of what I make to the state already whether it's income tax, property tax, all the taxes on my wages, the 20% VAT, the taxes on gas, all the hidden shitty taxes for the environment etc etc. Despite all that nothing works in this country. Hospitals keep getting worse, education is a joke so you basically have to pay for private schools, police are just there to write tickets and never helpful, judicial system is leftist and let criminals go out early or with an ankle bracelet, military is in shambles, you name it.
I'm already considering retiring because I don't like working to pay taxes to get fuckall in return but if UBI happens I'll just retire without question.

>>533339976
Because we deserve to exist? Or maybe not you?

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>>533339649
YOU VILL OWN NOTHING AND YOU VILL BE HAPPY
>AI replaces jobs
>You're allowed to exist inside your 5ftx5ft wage cage
>You'll eat slop
>You won't be allowed to own anything
>You'll wake up, eat slop, watch ai-generated shorts, sleep, wake up, eat slop, watch ai-generated slop
This is the future you chose.

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>>533340003
This old orange pedophile really ruined everything. I miss Obama

I think to have UBI, we'd have to abandon the central banking system, or at least adopt a separate currency that functions internally as some kind of CBDC, except not facilitated by the Fed but by the US government itself. The dollar's purchasing power is tied to the Fed's interest rate and how much money they print, so dollars are a sort of poison for any welfare system.

Since the FED is a private banking institution, it has no incentive to facilitate a welfare state. That doesn't mean they're "bad", just that they're not operating for the sake of welfare. There are other transfers, such as vouchers for housing, education, food, and other welfare amenities. Such things have a value beyond a simple monetary number. They would be needed to supplement UBI.

Forget auditing the Fed (That should be done, but that's for another thread), it needs to be abandoned completely if any form of UBI is to be indulged.

>>533339649
There is obviously a catch.

>>533339649
Whatever people are saying and arguing in this thread, it's all a cope cover story for the true motivation of opposition to UBI. Everyone ITT who is against it does so because they believe that money should go to Israel and niggers. Not just that, but they are all angry and offended at the idea of White people getting money AT ALL. Anyone who says this is about inflation, a bad plan like student loans, or says shit about government control are all lying because they want to sound like rational and normal people. Everyone against UBI wants that money to go to Jews and browns ONLY. That's what they really believe.

>>533339976
Ask Jews, Israel, single mothers, niggers, and everyone who isn't White that has gotten UBI from the government for the last few decades. Oh you don't want to do that, huh? So shut the fuck up.

When was the last time the EU was nice to its citizens? I can't remember. My own government has utter contempt for the people. I don't believe they have good intentions with UBI.

>>533373983
Anyone who took macroeconomics in college will tell you that the debt doesn't matter. You actually want more debt, not less. At least if you have enough missiles to blow up anyone who calls in said debt. A less dirty word thrown around these days is "liquidity", which basically (for our discussion) means that people trust you to pay them back. America promises the moon and that at some point in the future, we'll have "the coolest shit". With that promise, we effectively have infinite liquidity because the world trusts us to come out with the next big thing. At that point, people in the stock market can bitch about bonds and index funds, but the collective humanity is too occupied with what's coming down the road, not what's happening in the car.

People say we're driving off the cliff. Maybe that's what it looks like right now. If we have a flying car, though, it won't matter.

>>533339649
UBI is pointless. Just abolish currency., resource based economy. Use a credit system.

>>533343539
Uhhh
>live in washington state
>min wage is like $17 or some shit
>rent for a studio is fucking 1,500 in rural areas
Ding ding ding retard alert

>>533340344
>2026
>believe in the paper money system

oh no wait, its only pixels on the screen, oh no wait, its actually just bits floating around which rely on an electrical grid....