that'll kill you - dfw

>>84364822
Coward ass bitch bluring his face. Also can I christian explain to me why eternal torture doesn't count as everlasting life.

>>84365023
>coward ass bitch
that probably wasn't uploaded by Pastor Steven Anderson (guy in video) anything related to him gets nuked on youtube for hatespeech, which is probably why the reuploader took that caution.
>why doesn't it count as life
because you're in hell, when Christ was in hell, he was dead, now that he's resurrected, he's alive forevermore.

>>84365023
I also end up questioning this. It also says not to fear he who can kill the body but not the soul but both.
I always felt destroying the soul would be more fair than suffering than hell for all eternity but that's probably just me being terrified of hell.

>>84365122
God made salvation attainable through Christ's sacrifice (he intervened against the curse from Adam we inherit), any claims of unfairness were forfeit when Christ died on the cross at Calvary.
If any are afraid of hell, let them get saved. It's once done, and cannot be undone.

>>84365128
That's comforting to think but I see so many other religious leaders claiming otherwise. So many people argue over faith alone saves vs works and strictly following the word.
I can't help but worry because my life is so pathetic and weak. I'm constantly terrified of eternal damnation because I don't live justly enough to deserve blessings.

girls/women hate or dislike troons and incels (some). women like big strong men (25+ women).

it takes women to approve of troons and incels to make the nightmare dissolve. changing women's foremost interest not in the male they're with, but to their own children.

the most insignificant male becomes the greatest

concepts

fruitless endeavor. nobody really pays attention or applies it. nothing really can be changed

>>84365175
>So many other religions
This is just fainting in your mind mate, examine each critically and you'll see Christianity is the only one that can bear its own weight.
>Islam (relies on the bible, existence denied by the bible)
>Judaism (claims to rely on old testament which heavily foreshadows Christ)
>Hindus (India is clearly not blessed by God)
>Angiogenesis believers (western atheism - 0->1= retarded)
>Buddhism (true enlightenment to them is dying and escaping reincarnation)
This is every substantial religion, Sikhs, Mormons, etc are too few to count. If you're still unsatisfied with this, your homework for the next few days will be understanding what each claim is and what they back it on.
The bible says to search all things. Every other position than Christian is thoroughly retarded.

>Faith vs works
This debate only arises because wogs can't read. Their interpretation of James 2 (their only scripture for this) is destroyed by James 2 verse 10, the bible spells out that salvation is only by faith a million times. If Catholics worshipped graven images a little less, and read their bibles a little more, they wouldn't be Catholics.

>I don't deserve blessings
This is exactly why your works will never play any role in your salvation. You can't earn it in any way. It's impossible.
Trust in Christ or burn in the lake of fire.

>>84365564
I didn't understand any of what you said, is it drugs, or are you a schi/x/o

>>84365654
I didn't say other religions, I said other leaders, particularly Catholics.

i guess all i really care about is pale skin and no donkey dicks. other than that, it's like, well what's the point? everyone turns into a sea of brown. what does it matter? it's like, well, if the jews mix with blacks then that's the end of judaism. i go back and forth believing gnosticism. so i'm not even gonna do anything. it doesn't even matter. there are too many brown people and they hate white people and jews both. israel is this tiny fucking sliver of land. it's silly and ridiculous

>>84365710
Catholics have a similar claim to Jews

>>84365854
If you're talking about Anglo Saxons,.we did so well because we honoured God we will do well again after we return to him. Our race need not die. God is more than able to make our race flourish again.
Even just practically speaking, if we obey God on his first commandment and be fruitful, the birthrate will naturally go from below 2.1 to around 8 per family. Understand how much of a difference that would make.

>>84366129
As in, they claim to a heritage using tradition that the bible rebukes

>>84365175
This sort of catholic thinking is the cultural default, so your thinking here makes sense. It's just completely the opposite of what the bible says.
So it goes down to this: Do you trust God or man? Do you trust the bible or the catholic institution? What are you willing to put your faith in? It's one or the other. If you decide that a sinful human being can repent, light incense, and chant prayers into heaven. That's on you, and your low view of Christ's sacrifice.

Supplementary: Preaching against Catholicism https://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/100508a.mp3

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>>84366299
Even if you look at cultural depictions (pic rel): Catholics and Orthodox are represented by tradition, Christians by the bible.

>>84366299
I trust in God. I'm worried of my own self lacking and my inability to accurately interpret the correct meaning from the bible. There are far more knowledgeable people than me debating on what verses are supposed to mean so I get stressed out trying to parse through it. There are so many times it is said to repent, cast out sin and live by the law so I end up feeling immensely guilty for falling so short. It's hard to imagine myself not being judged when my life is so pathetic.

>>84366518
If you're saved and just shaky since you're new to the faith, that's different.
Post whatever verses that have you worried. If people are arguing something strange, and they don't have any bible verses to support them, just ignore them.
If you're saved, you won't be judged, so stop worrying about that. God will correct you on this earth if you are his son. (John:1:12) (Hebrews 12:8), you'll be made perfect when you die, if you're saved (Romans 6:7) (Philippians 3:21), so just stop worrying about it. Work on serving God, while you can (while you're on Earth, you can demonstrate faith, this is impossible in heaven). It's possible to be a lame Christian however, many are. Many fall short, many don't read their bible daily, don't pray when they wake up, don't go to church etc. These are all good places to start if you want to obey God, but this won't change whether you're saved or not. This is done out of love for God.
Also, stop arguing with people when you're not solid on topics (even a well indoctrinated flat will be able to out argue a normal person, it's no wonder you're getting wrecked if you're new), if you know arguing will just make you shaky. https://faithfulwordbaptist.org/ I recommend this guy's sermons, he's solid.

>>84366518
Also before you read your bible, ask God to give you understanding

>more end times predictions
Just fuckin stop dude Jesus isn't coming back, he just isn't that into you

>>84366749
Nah, we're within 200 years of it occurring I reckon, just based on the amount of global governmental control we're able to enforce as a species. It'll probably happen once the third world is up to speed.
>Wars
>A great earthquake
>Anti-Christ comes
>Embraced by all fake religions (especially jews)
>Christians persecuted and killed
>Mark of the beast required to buy or sell (you only get it from worshipping the image, once you do, salvation is impossible for you)
.>1290 days pass (three and a half years)
>Rapture
>Wrath of God poured out onto Earth
>America blanketed with nukes
>Devil bound in hell
>Christ rules and reigns for 1000 years
and so on

>>84366805
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lSSI__10vg
Entry level look into end times stuff

>>84366805
>wars
There has never been global peace at any point since before the bible was written
>earthquakes
see wars
>antichrist
Is the antichrist in the room with us now?
>fake religions
they all are
>mark of the beast
this shit is getting old man, how long have we been on the precipice of the forced integration of the mark of the beast, 60 years? Just admit it's not happening.
>tribulation bullshit plagiarized from Left Behind
YAWN.

>>84366838
You seem so disinterested with the premise that you posited a piece of fiction which follows a completely different interpretation of revelations to what was described. What motivated you to enter the thread?

>>84366736
I'm not the one arguing with people. I'm watching/reading their arguments trying to decipher which points are valid and which aren't.
What is your view on lame Christians then? What becomes of them?

>Post whatever verses that have you worried
Some are
Matthew 5:20
Matthew 18:8
Matthew 25:41

>>84366982
I posited fuckin nothing. I replied to anon's claims.
Also I didn't notice this line at the time but
>persecution
1) this was written in a time early church leaders were being burned alive and crucified and fed to lions, a little different from, oh I don't know, having the laws of the free world retconned into old testament bullshit in the name of bringing about a christian monarchy in the west.
2) after two millennia of christian dominionism, after multiple massive wars in the name of christianity, after meddling in the middle east in order to RUSH the end times, after letting a fucking oil baron start replacing your bibles, I'd say your persecution is well earned.

>>84367020
>What becomes of them?
They go to heaven with little to no rewards. God rewards us for the works we do on Earth, this is because the price for sin was fully paid on the cross. This is another piece of proof that you can't "work towards" salvation.
>Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
If you're familiar with the Gospel, these were people who slavishly followed the law, even doing all you can to live by the law won't get you into heaven, because, as James 2:10 says:
>James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Basically, he's hinting at the fact that you need to be perfect and that it's impossible, hence the need for a saviour. He does the same thing with the rich young ruler, though that guy leaves without understanding.

>Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
I understand how you could take this one weirdly, look at verse 3 from the same chapter, children are used to relying on others, so they're more likely to accept Christ as saviour, rich people (used in the opposite way) are used to being self-sufficient, or trusting in money. Despite the extreme language in verses 8-9, it first affirms the actual method of salvation.
I think it's pretty clear that the application Christians are meant to take from this is that we ought to strive to avoid sin, and the extreme language of mutilation (which is never practiced in the Gospels, in acts, or instructed in the epistles) is just describing how motivated we should be to part with things that cause us to sin. In this application hell would be a metaphor for extreme punishment on earth.

>>84367165
This may feel like a copout however, If you were convinced it was a direct application, you can also take it this way without affecting salvation. Take a look at verse 7
>Woe unto the world
The world is all unsaved people. This verse is directed at them, unsaved sinners who'll pay for their sins in hell (as opposed to Christians, who are saved sinners, whose penalty was paid by Christ).
Verse 8 starts with
>Wherefore
(Similar meaning to therefore) meaning it's a continuation from the previous verse. It's logically true, that since worse sins have worse punishments, it would be better for them to mutilate themselves on Earth if it'd keep them from a sin they'd suffer forever for. However, I think Christians are meant to apply this to ourselves, and take both the mutilation and the hellfire in this context as a metaphor only.

>>84367165
> God rewards us for the works we do on Earth
But isn't heaven in and of itself the ultimate reward? Getting to be saved and reunited with God?

>>84367165
At the start I should have posted
>Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Last one
>Matthew 25:41
i'll post the whole section and interject.

>>84367231
It's not a reward at all. You didn't earn it. The bible calls it a gift.
>Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
You can't earn it, so it can't be a reward. It's by God's grace. Not God's grace + your efforts.
>Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

>>84367260
Then if I phrase it correctly, what reward could anyone ever want than the gift that is already given?

>>84367275
Do you mean, why do people serve God? or, what purpose do rewards have?

>>84367307
No, I feel as we ought to serve God out of love rather than seeking rewards.
I'm more so confused of what reward I would want other than being saved (which isn't a reward).

>>84367318
Probably land or responsibilities in the new heaven or new Earth (taken from Matthew 19:28).
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to bail on that Matthew 25 thing. It's pretty late and I've got an early shift tomorrow. So far I can tell the chapter starts with that parable which seems a pretty clear allusion to salvation. The final story (where Matthew 25:41 comes from) involves separating sheep and goats (the latter were used for sin offerings in the OT). I think the misunderstanding you have is that one's works make them a sheep or a goat.
https://faithfulwordbaptist.org/101106p.mp3
This sermon breaks down the chapter. Please give it a listen. If you still have any issues tomorrow, post it in the thread and I'll devote time to it, sorry about this copout.

>>84367052
1)Christians believe the bible was divinely inspired by God, this includes Revelation
2)Zionists come from a different denomination
3) Christians who read their bibles use the KJV on average, it was translated in 1611.

>>84367376
Thanks for your answers in the meantime. I hope you have a good day.

>>84367386
Thank you for your understanding anon, I hope you have a good day also. The relevant part starts about 49:56 in that sermon, if you don't want to listen to the whole thing.

>>84367376
Zionists didn't invent a new bible.
The translation dates mean nothing. The last generation was supposed to be in the first century CE and yet we are still here. And Christians are the majority religion of the west, using their power to punish others for not following THEIR dogma.