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Watch Myron Gaines btfo this troon
https://youtu.be/tD1A1OFC7I0
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>>84365135
>YOU'RE A MAN SAAR
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>Watch my scripted clickbait video
No.
Hormone replacement changes gene expression, making cells/tissue act more like if they had XX or XY dependent on hormone being added
https://www.the-scientist.com/hormone-therapy-triggers-male-gene-patte rns-in-transgender-mens-cells-71014
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220228/Study-shows-the-impact-of-g ender-affirming-hormone-therapy-on- epigenetic-signature-of-genes.aspx
Viable eggs from male people, viable sperm from female people:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/05/27/1177191913/sperm- or-egg-in-lab-breakthrough-in-repro duction-designer-babies-ivg
https://theconversation.com/eggs-from-men-sperm-from-women-how-stem-ce ll-science-may-change-how-we-reprod uce-219005
Most women have Y chromosomes in some cells:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32065627/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16084184/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3458919/
MTFs giving birth:
https://www.euronews.com/health/2023/08/23/uterus-transplants-are-alre ady-a-reality-what-does-it-mean-for -transgender-women-getting-p
Whole organs now being grown en masse in genetically modified pigs, transplanted to humans:
https://apnews.com/article/pig-organ-transplant-xenotransplant-revivic or-ad400e7f1d30c2722456eb92e641449f
Lab grown penises transplanted:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-025-01367-y
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>>84365728
K I'm too impatient to wait for a reply so I'll just do it myself
>yes having a penis makes you man
Then it logically follows that all you have to do to stop being a man is to cut your penis off
There you go transphobia debooked
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>>84365765
>b-but wait no i changed my mind now it's the chromosomes that make you a man
No because chromosomes aren't something you look at when you determine someone's gender. Like when you assume someone is a woman on the street it's not the chromosomes that made you assume that
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>>84365825
>but i don't make definitions with exceptions i define things by the majority for example most people have 5 fingers on one hand that means i can define a hand as having 5 fingers and people with more or less fingers are rare so i don't account for them in my definition. With this in mind i don't have to account for people whose chromosomes don't match their gender when i try to define gender as a whole
Does that mean that a hand with less than 5 fingers is not a hand? No it's still objectively a hand even if it doesn't fit your 5 finger definition. You can define a woman as having XX chromosomes but this does defy the reality that women without XX chromosomes exist
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>>84365725
>Nooo, I don't want objective data, I want YouTube slop!
Typical brain-damaged rightoid slop.
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>>84367175
She went in knowing this was going to be the reaction kinda just goes to show she didn't care thousands of people could call her a man and she's still going to live her life knowing she's not actually a man
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>>84367222
So you're saying every person has to be either a man or woman? What about intersex people? Ohhh I can already see it coming
>NOOOO NOOO YOU CAN'T USE A MINORITY TO DEFINE GENDER
Yes I can refer to >>84365871
>>84367225
Ahhh so if you sound like a man you are a man so if a biological woman has a deep voice she is a man okay
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>>84367178
>xitter screenshot
you need to go back
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>>84367284
Yeah I think it's unfortunate too, unfortunately you can't expect an average person to just be able to handle a public debate like this. I do think she's brave for this though
>>84367293
>Genetic abnormalities do not apply to what we are talking about,
Yes it does a hand with 4 fingers can be a genetic abnormality but that doesn't mean it's not a hand
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>>84367178
>You will parrot state-approved opinions and cite goyipedia or you're le unintellectual
Western academia, folks.
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>>84367178
I'm a tranny. Normal people dont care about those researches, its all about how you look like. If you pass, you're a woman in eyes of society. That's it.
>>84365672 anon
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>>84367692
I plainly stated my case then some other guy started arguing with you. Just stopped responding because he was doing a good job. When you want to grow up and argue in good faith you are free to make another thread in the future.
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>>84365399
Sorry bro, Bill Nye debunked you
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>>84367760
Nta but I already made a post about the chromosomes >>84365774
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>>84367630
if you pass you pass but if someone finds out youre a man and it spreads around then people will treat you like a tranny.
also 90% of you dont pass your just delude yourselves into thinking you do then when you get accurately gendered you lose the plot because your delusion is broken.
you all have a mental and hormonal disorder btw. probably due to all the fucked up chemicals we come into contact with. yuore not in the wrong body, youre just internally disabled
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>>84367853
So you want to determine people's gender based on their chromosomes. In order to do that you have to be able to determine what someone's chromosomes are. The problem is that you can't determine other people's chromosomes by looking at them. So they're not actually the thing that makes you view someone as a certain gender
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>>84367868
Because it makes transgenderism impossible.
You can't become a male when every cell in your body is female.
You can't become female when every cell in your body is male.
What would be much more reasonable is transracialism. Skin color is only skin deep. You can change the amount of melanin in your skin. You cannot turn XX into XY, or XY into XX. But for some reason our society took the exact opposite stance, that you can change your gender but you cannot change your race
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>>84365135
how do freaks like this have the balls to step out of their house? look at the fucking state of him. whenever i see these troons out and about they always look super nervous and shifty. they know everyone is looking at them and sees them as freaks. why live like this?
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>>84367909
Gender is determined by your chromosomes
>>84367760
If you are XX, every cell in your body is female. If you are XY, every cell in your body is male.
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>>84367927
No it's not see >>84367878
>>84367921
Thank u
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>>84367760
Typically low IQ Republican dogshit. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-nye-gender-chromosomes/
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>>84367274
I put plenty of thought into my decision to become female. It's sad that dogshit Republicans don't put any thought into their extremist witch hunt against anyone with slightly alternative gender ideas, though.
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>>84367990
Academia, the media, corporate america all have the same bias. They are pro BLM, pro trans, pro ukraine, pro palestine.
Trump was banned from every big tech platform.
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>>84367995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qd2wXfDS3M
I read through your article. It turns out that Bill Nye didn't say it, but that episode of Bill Nye the science guy said it, in the Consider the Following segment hosted by not Bill Nye
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>>84367878
Well there's a simpler test, you can check if someone has a cock and balls, or a vagina. But for the sake of politeness, doing a blood test would accomplish the same thing without the chance for sexual assault allegations.
Let me use a metaphor. Robots run on electricity. Human beings are powered by blood being pumped via their heart into the rest of their body. If you had a lifelike android, one easy way to check if it was a human or a robot is to check if it has blood, or if it has an electrical power source. Blood=Human Being Electricity=Android.
Now if we take that metaphor one step further, if you take someone's blood XY=Male, XX=Female
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>>84368033
You're still not responding to what I said either.
>>84367897
Why is transgenderism legitimate when every single in your body is male or female, but transracialism not legitimate, when race is only "Skin deep"?
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>>84368065
In practice you don't draw blood or inspect genitals to know what someone's gender is
>>84368070
>You're still not responding to what I said either.
I tried your reading comprehension must be poor if you can't understand what I'm trying to talk about
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>>84368008
Social media like X controlled by billionaire Elon Musk who got Trump elected because of his vendetta against his transgender daughter?
Dude, you're awful at arguments. Not surprising since you're dogshit.
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>>84368025
Are you actually brain damaged? Here's a list of billionaires and corporations funding Trump's ballroom. Not sure why you thought anyone was going to believe your biased Fox News screenshot.
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>>84368079
Do you actually take pride in your biology education only being "basic"?
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>>84368108
Why did you list a bunch of corporations that support Trump? Blackrock's CEO Larry Fink is literally Trump's personal accountant you dumbass. Lmfao
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>>84368086
Well maybe I do have poor reading comprehension.
My question is "Why can you change your gender, but you cannot change your race? When every single cell in your body is gendered, and all your racial features are cosmetic"
Your answer was "The thing is you don't need XX or XY to be a man or woman"
It seems like you don't acknowledge trans racialism or race at all. Maybe it's just my poor reading comprehension
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>>84367897
>You cannot turn XX into XY
Yes you can, as I explained in this post: >>84365399
Hormone replacement changes gene expression, making cells/tissue act more like if they had XX or XY dependent on hormone being added
https://www.the-scientist.com/hormone-therapy-triggers-male-gene-patte rns-in-transgender-mens-cells-71014
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220228/Study-shows-the-impact-of-g ender-affirming-hormone-therapy-on- epigenetic-signature-of-genes.aspx
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>>84368206
So you are a practitioner of Scientism.
I bet you are vaccinated and boosted. You might have gotten multiple boosts even
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>>84368232
The science says you're a chud.
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>>84368206
Not that anon but being transracial is less retarded than being transgender, it's just that, as you say, there has been little "research" and it hasn't been pushed much. All it would take would be the same effort going into pushing it as there has been for the whole transgender shit and it would become popular too. Which, it probably will at some point. Gotta continue the grift.
And the reason I say transracialism is less retarded is, men of different races are more morphologically and psychologically similar than a man and woman of the same race. You can take the whitest Norwegian and the blackest Congolese or Aussie abo, and they both will have more or less the same body structure, reproductive organs, instincts, etc. as compared to a female, which has completely different physiology, psychology and instincts. No one needs to do "research" for this, it's readily apparent if you're sane and think about it for all of 5 seconds.
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>>84368216
>if you artificially inject the primary hormones created by an XX person into an XY person, the XY person (whose chromosomes remain unchanged) will express closer to an XX person
Yeah no shit. He's still XY though.
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>>84368251
Do you understand that I'm arguing it functions as though it's XY once you add the testosterone? Hence the body is functionally male, even if a literally microscopic marker isn't. You're making a pointless distinction.
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>>84368070
>Why is transgenderism legitimate but transracialism not legitimate
Gender is quite different than race. Gender has a root in neurology, while race has a root in physiology. Trans-sex status has been demonstrated to have an in-born component, while trans-race has not.
Some items distinguishing the two proposed phenomena include,
Pregnancy:
"since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in transsexuality"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21094885/
There is a sexed body-map in the brain:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5738422/
Milton Diamond's proposal: "Transsexualism as an Intersex Condition" [of the brain]
https://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2015to2019/2016-transsexua lism.html
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>>84368274
>All it would take would be the same effort going into pushing it as there has been for the whole transgender shit and it would become popular too.
Sounds like speculation to me. Trans racialism doesn't make sense to me because 2 parents can only ever make 1 race, you never even had a chance to be a different race but at least with genders there was a possibility you could've been something different so I get it more
>>84368232
And you're a practitioner of what? Pseudoscientism?
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>>84368254
What does it have to do with you if the Emperor's wearing clothes or not. If he identifies as clothed you should use his preferred language, otherwise you'd be a bigot
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>>84365613
Anyone who uses the word "troon" is a racist incel. Why are you insulting people just for being 1/3rd black dude? You know that word comes from "quadroon"?
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>>84365693
He had already lost his aura with one reply to his tweet.
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you are all incredibly predictable and boring and nobody is walking away from this thread convinced of anything they weren't already but these are still always the fastest threads here now, this board is so fucking done
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>>84368328
As a recent landmark study demonstrated, evolution has been quite active for the last 10,000 years. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01204-5
Not sure why you think social shaming is an argument. There are some physiological differences, such as the precise shape of various features, the coloring of hair and skin, etc.
Gender identity is based on prenatal hormone exposures which produce an internal sense of self and body ownership, which is a form of neurology. It's a distinct trait from sex, though they are inherently related via your neurologically defined sense of genital ownership, or else wrongness, latter case yielding gender dysphoria.
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>>84368311
No amount of hormones will make someone who was born with a uterus produce sperm or who was born with a prostate and testicles develope a fetus. Of course diregarding the clear genetic defects strawman low iq logical fallacy.
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It doesn't make sense to me that people come to the "cute anime girl" website to try to argue wanting to be a cute girl is bad, might as well go to hot topic and argue gauges and eyeliner is gay while you're at it
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>>84365728
Video attached just for an example:
Biological females are capable of growing a quasi-penis, because the clitoris and the penis are, what is referred to as "homologous structures", to one another. This is achieved by adding testosterone, which causes their tissues to act as though they had XY chromosomes.
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>>84367897
>You can't become a male when every cell in your body is female.
>You can't become female when every cell in your body is male.
you're talking about chromosomes, not cells
hormones determine if your cells develop as male or female. If you observed the cells or tissues of a trans woman under a microscope they would be indistinguishable from the cells of a cis woman
if you got an electron microscope and isolated the chromosomes during the proper phase of mitosis you could check what the chromosomes are, but that has no bearing on whether the cells are functionally and morphologically male or female.
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>>84368367
>act as though
But its not a real penis though.
My penis is around 7x that.
>>84368369
You must be born with sperm producing organs to be a man
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>>84368365
Yeah but you clearly don't belong here so why not fuck off back to plebbit, tourist
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>>84368344
Thinking you're a woman =/= being a woman. Gender Identity = delusion. Schizophrenia is also neurological and ja schizo's delusions are just as valid as a man believing he's a woman. Your attempts to rewrite definitions = REJECTED. Your attempts to force me to play into your delusions = REJECTED. Now listen, I do have pity on you, and other forms of retards, but it doesn't make you any less retarded for it.
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>>84367201
Why does your very narrow and rigid view require government enforcement and erasure of a comprehensive understanding of history?
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>>84367222
That is alike to calling yourself a "climate atheist". You can deny the facts, but it doesn't make you correct.
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>>84368385
Climate change is a religion I don't believe in
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>>84367254
Elon Musk is based and red pilled thoughever
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>>84368369
Think harder, a man is capable of producing sperm, but can become infertile, still meaning he was born with the biology for such capabilities making him a male if born without any genetic defects, picking clear genetic defects as examples is a low iq formal fallacy too, remember that.
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>>84368379
Mentioning schizophrenia is not a valid rebuttal, because your original argument was about whether we should consider transgenderism a more valid and objectively existent condition than transracialism, and how they are different. I presented you with evidence that gender dysphoria is an in-born condition you can objectively discover with lab scans, as well as additional explanation about how they are distinct in concept.
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>>84368393
Being a pedantic faggot doesn't work here. If a human with human DNA is born with missing limbs, does it make him a snake? Nope. Everyone knows this, you can stop being a cunt now. You're still not a woman and never will be.
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>>84367274
Your reply is an example of what is known as "naturalness bias". However, it is not a correct kind of assumption to say that what is natural is better than what is artificial. For example, naturally-occurring cyanide and deadly bacteria would refute this assumption, as would the existence of antibacterial medicine.
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>>84368417
if a human is born with two legs and has the genes for having two legs but loses a leg later in life, do they actually still have two legs because they were born like that? Must we continue calling that person a biped?
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>>84367293
You're using a pseudo-intellectual fig leaf of justification for trans exclusion, i.e. appealing to the definition, then when the definition breaks down you start saying all definitions have unstated exceptions, except when you don't want to make the unstated exception, because it breaks the definition. Are you too low IQ to grasp this?
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>>84368417
>Being a pedantic faggot doesn't work here.
It does this thread is only active because of me it would already be archived if I hasn't bumped it
>If a human with human DNA is born with missing limbs, does it make him a snake?
Oh so a man doesn't need a working penis to be a man after all. Thank you for confirming I'm correct once again
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>>84367330
Assuming that the anon you are replying to is transsexual, then in fact what is most likely is an exceptionally high IQ, per objective experiments.
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>>84368438
men and women have different bodies because their organs are different, and their organs are different because their tissues are different, and their tissues are different because their cells are different
but this is caused by hormones, not sex chromosomes. The difference happens because in fetal development the SRY gene signals to start releasing testosterone which causes male physical development. But after that point, it's all hormonal.
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>>84368466
Actually, it is the opposite, which demonstrates that the effect must be so large that it somehow swamps this out.
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>>84368432
The human species is bipedal. The injured human is no longer functionally bipedal. However, it doesn't make the human a different animal when it's injured. Like how being a pedantic retard with feces flowing from your mouth doesn't make you a woman.
>>84368444
>It does
No it doesn't. You've convinced no one. You're a laughingstock that exists to be ridiculed.
>I'm correct
Hey man, once again, you are delusional enough to believe you're a woman, it isn't difficult for me to believe you believe you are correct when you're completely defeated on every level. You will surely commit suicide if reality ever sets in, so I get why you block it out. Yet, again, a man's delusions don't change reality, no matter how fervently he believes them.
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>>84368481
>The human species is bipedal. The injured human is no longer functionally bipedal
right, so it would be silly to say that the individual ought to be treated as having two legs just because they were born that way, right?
>Like how being a pedantic retard with feces flowing from your mouth doesn't make you a woman.
you seem kinda mad, chill
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>>84368472
Y'all need to read a book. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1872835369047327015
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>>84368492
good point, leftoids such as you have no intent to argue legitimately. you see your opposition as unworthy of even a few minutes of effort to try and convince them
thus, you are evil in the same way as the jew
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>>84368492
>I'm acting like a retard and being laughed at to entertain myself
Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
>>84368494
The human ought to be treated like a human and not like another animal despite the loss of its limb, yes that is correct. Just like how you cutting your dick off doesn't make you a woman, neither should you be treated like one.
>y-y... you mad??
Concession accepted.
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>>84368509
>The human ought to be treated like a human and not like another animal despite the loss of its limb, yes that is correct. Just like how you cutting your dick off doesn't make you a woman, neither should you be treated like one.
but you're defining a man as someone born with the ability to produce sperm. Why aren't you defining a biped as someone born with two legs?
it's the same claim, you're using the birth state to assume an unchanged state for the rest of their life. But it would be silly to call someone with one leg a biped, don't you think?
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>>84368514
Yes, right-wing philosopher Nick Land a.k.a. Outsideness acknowledged the objective data on the topic.
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>>84368509
The anon posting about a human without arms and legs not being a snake was genuinely funny to me because he literally like unknowingly confirmed you indeed don't need a penis to be a man
>>84368506
There is no such thing as good faith on this site in general if someone wanted to take the things I'm saying seriously they could just do that without ever replying to me
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>>84365135
Nah I don't like this guy, what has he achieved? He just talks and says we men are the best the contributors the inventors and revolutionaries like okay agree some men do shit and achieve a lot but I find it cringe to try to bask and profit and be like WE men as if he is part of that elite and use that as yeah I'm superior because WE men are better. I find it stupid to think like that, you can definitely be a big loser man like myself and you can definitely be someone that just likes the idea of being superior to others on the basis of sharing a characteristic with other people far more successful and capable than yourself.
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>>84368558
Meant to reply to >>84368502 asdfgh
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>>84367720
jews are massively overrepresented among trannies, look it up
>>84367724
seething kike
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