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>>84770792
the need to lean on AI gen is kind of unfortunate, you could easily accomplish the same point with stick figures or any such. i don't even dislike ai inherently i just think this looks a bit bad.
>the point
true. you are right. people will still run from this reality over and over again. we are conditioned to be a story from the very moment we are born. media, people, history. in a sense, it is human to exist that way. but in truth, yes you are completely right.
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>>84770880
>he need to lean on AI gen is kind of unfortunate
Why is it unfortunate?
>true. you are right. people will still run from this reality over and over again. we are conditioned to be a story from the very moment we are born. media, people, history. in a sense, it is human to exist that way. but in truth, yes you are completely right.
I'm trying out different methods to break story one im trying is to create porn videos then when it's getting good to add shock gore in middle of it. Like how would you feel seeing hot girls tits, rubbing ur dick then you see someone's body filled with worms eating away at corpse. How does narrative hold
In a way trying to catch brain before it can convince you that it's a self that exists.
Glad to find no self believers on here
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>>84770926
>Why is it unfortunate?
i see your point, but you will have more people willing to engage with the premise if it appears nice.
>In a way trying to catch brain before it can convince you that it's a self that exists.
trauma in general is most effective at this kind of thing. the ability to hold yourself as a character is tested to an extreme when extreme emotional impacts occur. depersonalization/derealization could be understood as a detachment from ones character and the negative connotation of the experience can be summed up as a discomfort and a break from the security in experiencing your role.
>Glad to find no self believers on here
i have been lost in this kind of thing, flipping back and forth for years. i am finally becoming clear headed i guess. whenever you depart from viewing yourself as a character or a story or however you want to define it, it is not only extremely freeing but also allows you to decide just how exactly you want to interact with others ie. what role you want to play. its a part of human cognition a lot of people never have access to comfortably i'd say.
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>>84770792
>when you are rejcted by others how do you feel?
I felt sad, confused and relieved afterwards. When I get excluded from conversations or inane gossip b.s I usually wish I was watching my tv shows or movies and or get reminded or them when people are doing that.
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>>84770995
>trauma in general is most effective at this kind of thing. the ability to hold yourself as a character is tested to an extreme when extreme emotional impacts occur.
You know what's funnier is that weren't even one character. Like me with my mom , dad or at work are different from one another yet I still consider them me. Or me across year or decades aren't same but there's this idea or feeling I am that I exist across time as this one thing. In adveita vanta they might say it's awareness /atman the witnesser but Buddhism schools teach even that itself is impermanent and changing. And trauma like u said is like shocking system to point of breaking it where story is unable to hold itself and for people who are very attached to self this might drive them crazy. But I wonder what happens when someone who doesn't take self as serious does it do they gain "nirvana" or are as inclined to insanity.
I do find it rather odd how MK ultra , masons and even old middle eastern sects used trauma to brainwash people as if overwriting narrative is easy. I mean "seof" arises co dependently with people you interact with not like you're born with distinct personalities. So trauma might be short cut
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>>84771049
>I felt sad, confused and relieved afterwards.
When you say I anon what is that I? I mean there's sadness , relief and being confused but were you same person across those feelings? From my pov these feelings arise , fall and memory , narrative strings them together
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>>84771096
>for people who are very attached to self this might drive them crazy.
years and years of trying to decide what exactly you are. i came to the conclusion that the you itself is fictional and i can effect be anyone while always being no one. substantiating this within my own mind and accepting it is different from understanding it though. i am just coming around to that point lately.
>I do find it rather odd how MK ultra , masons and even old middle eastern sects used trauma to brainwash people as if overwriting narrative is easy.
its a known factor really. keep tapping on the egg until it cracks. sometimes it spills out goo and is a waste, other times something emerges from it. regardless, its better to have one of these outcomes than to simply be an egg forever. that is my point of view, though i'm sure people within the egg would be very disturbed by this.
>So trauma might be short cut
it is not only a short cut but more or less the path, i guess a life without suffering might also lead you to this conclusion given the human propensity for dissatisfaction. there is nothing that will make man satisfied, and a lack of struggle is one of the most frustrating things. it, inofitself, is its own struggle, right.
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>>84771625
>years and years of trying to decide what exactly you are. i came to the conclusion that the you itself is fictional and i can effect be anyone while always being no one
The you itself is a feeling that a thought arises with. For instance when I'm cringing over past my thoughts think of a me in past and feeling associated with it but what I'm really recoiling at is the feeling and thought of it being me. But you ask yourself what is this me? Is it awareness itself but if awareness has no control or will why would it be one responsible
>how do you traumatize yourself?
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>>84771660
>But you ask yourself what is this me?
the primary stressor is the fact that its outside of human nature. even back down to tribal society, i think it was standard for people to identify with, build, and consider themselves as the "you". just as they do with everyone else in their social grouping. thus, it is immensely discomforting and vulnerable to be without this escape. this is me, this is who i am, this is how i react. once you no longer have that, you are much more intune with your natural existence outside of the social construct that man is built within. it is not exactly a human experience while also making you capable of knowing yourself on a physical level far more than anyone else could.
i am capable of it now, but to completely discard it sounds like something for later in life. to completely leave it behind would likely lead to me fully exiting society and living in solitude. so it is still a struggle, but having a struggle is not bad either.
>how do you traumatize yourself?
i'm not sure how productive this train of thought is. obviously there are an incredible amount of methods. is it really wise to do so? why force yourself out of the natural human experience? i can feel that it is better to be now, but the road here is not a pleasant one and i would not advise people to do it, i don't think. not most people anyway.
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>>84771114
>When you say I anon what is that I? I mean there's sadness , relief and being confused but were you same person across those feelings? From my pov these feelings arise , fall and memory , narrative strings them together
You just answered your question. I felt relieved because I observe how they treat others, it's wrong to be a judgemental/hypocritical person but it's disappointing seeing when you overhear when they talk harshly about others or gossip. I was told to try ignore any type of gossip(unless it's tv show/movie drama)
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>>84771734
>i am capable of it now, but to completely discard it sounds like something for later in life. to completely leave it behind would likely lead to me fully exiting society and living in solitude. so it is still a struggle, but having a struggle is not bad either.
Why would leaving you make you lead a hermit life though? If anything wouldn't it be easier to interact with others and be freer with no me constantly reinforcing ever feeling?
>>84771774
But ur not a an I? If ur merely identifying with feelings what is doing identifying ? And what's it identifying with?
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>>84770792
I do quite like spiritual teachings and the idea that we are already complete as humans and nothing we do externally can make us more or less worthy of love.
HOWEVER I think actually living like this ends you up in a really retarded place, I took all this stuff to heart and stopped talking to people so much because "I don't need to prove or explain myself to anyone to be loved". I started getting annoyed when people around me did anything to try and make themselves appear interesting or funny because "Don't these people know they are already complete just the way they are?!".
You just end up in some weird state of bitter non-action if you try and live all this stuff too much.