>>16947298
There's practically zero chance it actually works for you so ultimately your question boils down to "should I give a bunch of money to professional scam artists so that they can scam me?"
I would say "no".

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>>16947305
>There's practically zero chance it actually works
But it's still more than zero, and that small slice of probability mass has extremely high if not infinite expected value.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg_paradox
https://www.cryonicscalculator.com/

Worst case is that your cyro team is too aggressive at the hospital and ends up "preserving" you when there still was a chance of you surviving whatever caused you to be in the hospital in the first place. Medical personnel have long complained about this as the cryo people believe the quicker they can get you into cryo after death, the better your chances of revival later. The line gets very blurry, resulting in you potentially becoming a popsicle when you could have been saved in the present.

>>16947298
yes but not in cryonics institute, they're a bunch of shitters

Tomorrow Bio > Alcor > CI

>>16947298
nah just die and tell us what happens

>>16947318
Why don't you just go outside and pick up a random rock in case it's a magical rock that makes anyone who picks up immortal? It's possible. The chance that magic is real and that specific rock is magic and the magic makes you immortal is more than zero. Just do that and you won't need to pay for the cryo scam anymore.

>>16947318
>that small slice of probability mass has extremely high if not infinite expected value
It's too late. Your brain is already fried.

Why would you want to be bound to your decaying old body any longer than necessary? Are you just another atheist, OP?

>>16947391
say more? i am currently signed up with them because i read about it on the internet and it sounded good (i am not a smart man). life insurance is cheap. it's questionable that they only invest in bonds (that don't beat inflation) and have such a low funding minimum.

"they" being CI

>>16947298
It's wasting power, so it should be shut down. A soul can't stay in a small space, frozen. Time is still real.

do billionaires, ruling elites, kings, ceos etc. etc. do this? they don't. that's how you know it's a scam

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>>16947552
>Why would you want to be bound to your decaying old body any longer than necessary?
If you unironically believe this you might as well kys now. It's not "necessary" for you to even exist for another day.

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>>16947577
Or you're just vastly overestimating the intelligence/wisdom/rationality of the average billionaire/ruling elite.

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>>16947420
>Why don't you just go outside and pick up a random rock in case it's a magical rock that makes anyone who picks up immortal? It's possible.
Because it's just as likely that the random rock is actually an anti-immortality rock. It's the same issue with Pascal's Wager. There are lots of small probabilities of different religions being true, so there isn't a clear correct choice for what religion you should join or what will reduce your odds of going to hell the most. Comparing it to cryonics is a false equivalence. Getting cryopreserved vastly raises the odds of being revived after death in relative terms, even if not in absolute terms. If cryonics has a 1 in 10,000 chance of reviving you, the odds of burial or cremation reviving you are essentially zero. 0.0001 is infinitely bigger than 0.

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>>16947298
Currently: huge waste of money. In 20-30 years: maybe viable.

The cryonics field has been historically filled with quacks but has had some real progress, just nowhere close to enough for practicality. Spend your money on better-proven treatments like senolytics and SASP modulators that might ack-shilly extend your lifespan until the tech matures.

>>16947615
That chart seems really flawed.

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>>16947615
>Getting cryopreserved vastly raises the odds of being revived after death in relative terms, even if not in absolute terms. If cryonics has a 1 in 10,000 chance of reviving you, the odds of burial or cremation reviving you are essentially zero. 0.0001 is infinitely bigger than 0.
Problem is that "cryopreservation" is not any more advanced than those other body disposal options from a revival perspective, yet. The future advances need to come *not only* on the resuscitation side, but also on the cryoprotectant side so that cells aren't ruptured by ice crystals during the freezing process.

>>16947624
>huge waste of money.
You're going to be dead. You won't be able to take your money with you when you die. What is even worth spending money on in your mind?

>>16947603
>If you're not a nihilist like me..... THEN YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF TO PROVE IT!!!!
This is such a pathetic thing to write.

>>16947680
>You're going to be dead. You won't be able to take your money with you when you die. What is even worth spending money on in your mind?
Performance-enhancing anti-aging treatments that already work, maybe allowing me to survive long enough for this sci-fi scizhory to ack-shilly materialize.

>>16947680
Big fucken tomb

>>16947298
At present? No, it's retarded. Not worth the effort, stress, possible complications/issue, or false hope. It's bullshit.

I heard the problem with modern cryo-preservation is that small crystals grow inside your cells, which irreparably damage them. I don't think there's any legit company out there, its all just a scam.

>>16947298
Most likely scenario is nearly all the cells in your body pop during freezing, completely destroying your organ integrity if by some insane turn of events somebody actually cares to revive you in the future, well then dang they must have some kind of insane cellular reconstruction technology, have fun regrowing all of your vital organs assuming you even could be revived in such a state.
Worst case scenario, gets really really really gross and involves your body in a slushie half decomposing state in their tubes because some refridgerant line failed somewhere. And while I don't want to be an alarmist about peak fuel, well refrigerants and the energy used to keep things cryogenically cold, are both largely products of cheap oil, and your chicken nugget butt won't be on anyone's radar as their operating costs go up, because again this would need to be a generational thing.
Also consider, the future may suck. Even if everything by some impossibility went exactly according to your hopes with the preservation, you'd be waking up in a time that could be really really awful.
Not that it would happen. Between intense cellular damage from the freezing, to possible decomposure from the eventual accidental but unavoidable heating of the chamber after so many years, all it takes is one bad day for maintenence and it's not like you're giving them enough money to care for multiple generations.
And that's assuming they even actually deliver their service to you, you wouldn't be around to check on them.
It's a scam basically. Because, yeah they might make you into a popsicle, but I garunteee nothing good is going to happen afterwards.

Neural upload seems more promising.

What about Nectome? Is it legit?

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/E9xfgJHvs6M55kABD/less-dead

>>16947298
>utopian far future.
east asians and europeans are losing influence by the minute, if you wake up at all it will be in a favelapunk lab

>>16947562
They're the "bare minimum" provider. They don't innovate, they haven't seen any growth, they have far less transparent case reports, and IIRC they even use an inferior cryoprotectant.

Tomorrow Bio is way more open about what they do (just see their youtube channel), is growing much faster, and they constantly improve their ambulances and protocol. For example I believe in 2026 they're planning to include blood-brain barriers openers to avoid brain shrinkage, and so on.

The ONLY reason I'd pick CI or Alcor would be if I lived like, very close to their facilities.

>>16947846
>they start thawing you
>technology has gotten far enough that all your ails are fixed
>turns out its for slave labor

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>>16947807
>Most likely scenario is nearly all the cells in your body pop during freezing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitrification

>>16947680
I will donate all my money to the noble cause of promoting birth control in the third world.

>>16947298
The Wikipedia page is full of red flags
>Cryonicists controversially say that a human can survive even within an inactive, badly damaged brain, as long as the original encoding of memory and personality can be adequately inferred and reconstituted from what remains [...] Mind uploading has also been proposed.
So the process is going to badly damage the brain but it's fine because AI (tm) will fix everything. Scam scam scam.

>>16947298
It sounds like a great way to make human jelly

>>16947298
You'd have to do it before actual death though, so you'd effectively be killing yourself anyway

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>>16952259
Good luck with that

>>16955899
Why did latin america stop breeding too, they're not even wealthy

>>16947298
Trying to delay death is so cringe, bro. What are you, a disney villain?

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>>16955905
Probably because they have higher IQs than Africans

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>>16947807
>Also consider, the future may suck. Even if everything by some impossibility went exactly according to your hopes with the preservation, you'd be waking up in a time that could be really really awful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_of_astronomical_suffering

>>16947318
Doesn't take into account the cost of the chance
YOU THINK THIS STUFF IS FREE?
HOW WILL YOU PAY FOR POTENTIALLY HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF FREEZING?

>>16947298
They pay up to 200,000 for a full body, which is put into an interest account to continually pay for the electricity. Not many yet, but they shouldn't double back costs from society. Small scale, or we are all done for. Much like the advocation for cremation to save money for the state over a burial. That's why they never ask you what you want as your free rights.

>>16955934
This sort of answers the question about the scam. They must get you to sign over a trust fund which can generate enough income to keep pace with inflation as well as pay for the upkeep. Which if you think about it must a fucking huge trust fund.
Then with full control of the trust and knowing you will never be revived they are rich for life. Probably dissolve your body with lye, flush it down the toilet and replace it with a plastic model kept floating in some green gloop inside a cheap non refrigerated plastic coated with silver paint. Just a few LED screens sourced from China on the outside going "beep!" and showing some reassuring green lights. Its not like anyone is going to do an audit, lol.
Or maybe they just make sure they go bankrupt after a few years of paying themselves insane salaries.

>>16947298
don't bother
quantum immortality is real
source: I'm still alive right now

>>16947318
>>16947615
If you're leaning on "0.0001 chance of utopian future, so why not??" or whatever you need to also consider that you may be revived for the sake of being tortured or enslaved or whatever by horrible future people. Regardless of how likely you think this is, it's not less possible than having future revivers who like you.

>>16947813
yeah but only if you're into making a shitty copy of yourself and then dying anyway

>>16947577
they also fuck and eat children on Epstein island
are we supposed to take life lessons from them?

>>16947298
useless anywayeven if your rich and 5000 years pass and they bring you back, you are a nobody with nothing. and who's to say they ain't dumping your ass in the ocean after a eyar to make room for the new idiots paying them for this shit.

>>16956122
all of those points have been addressed with proper entity organization and wealth management

you would know if instead of talking out your ass you would inform yourself

>>16956141
>employee #104 responds
sure thing bud.

>>16956154
if cryonics organization had 100s of employees there would be no need for

>do it for free
shills like myself

>>16956081
cryo essentially kills you as well

god I'm so glad I'm not an atheist anymore

>>16947298
the worst case is you get revived in an ai/robot future and they torture you endless for science experiments

>>16956372
only if you assume that death is a switch after which your soul magically leaves (and mind uploading retards seem to believe something like this)

>>16947318
>pascal's wager for atheists
lmao even

>>16957680
it's a good point though. Certainly better than your "lmao"

>>16947298
The .lost that will ever come of it is they will eventually donate you corpse for scientic research or use it as a resource for bio-products.
I would be especially concerning the company has any ties what to Israel or Ukraine.
Those two illegitimate countries are the biggest traffickers of human body parts in the world.

>>16957784
so is the original version of pascal's wager

>>16957828
No it's not

>>16957828
yes and in fact doing cryonics doesn't require you not believing in God

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>>16957939
>cryonics doesn't require you not believing in God
Granted. But it does require you to turn your back on God (ie commit mortal sin). It constitutes a gravely disordered act that implicitly denies the general resurrection, which the traditional holds as defined dogma.

The general resurrection is the raising up of the dead on the last day to be reunited with the soul to receive its Last Judgment and final sentence for eternity. Cryonics is utterly incompatible with this doctrine.

The saved are raised up in glory and incorruption.
>"It is sown in corruption, it shall rise in incorruption. It is sown in dishonour, it shall rise in glory. It is sown in weakness, it shall rise in power. It is sown a natural body, it shall rise a spiritual body."
1 Corinthians 15:42-44

And the damned, they are consigned to Hell body and soul for eternity. Their particular judgment is final and irrevocable.
>"And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting."
Matthew 25:46

The resurrection of Christ and the resurrection of the dead stand as one doctrine.
>"For if the dead rise not again, neither is Christ risen again. And if Christ be not risen again, your faith is vain, for you are yet in your sins."
1 Corinthians 15:16-17

Therefore, to deny the general resurrection is to deny the Resurrection of Christ himself. This strikes at the central mystery of the Faith which is among the gravest possible heresies one can commit. Needless to say, committing this sin results in the loss of your salvation and condemnation to eternal punishment.

>>16959244
no. You don't renounce to believing in Jesus, resurrection etc.

Cryonics is just a time-stop procedure. In the future it will be done even *before* death, it will be called suspended animation, but today's tech is not ready yet.

Do bears that hibernate go against your Bible?