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Successful Static Fire Edition
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They've started using drones to capture footage of the landings from different angles. Pretty nice.
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>>16958743
is that supposed to be the moon rocket?
doesn't it have stages?
where's the launch abort system?
does orion get hidden inside the top?
not trolling, I'm just out of the loop and this rocket doesn't look like other nasa spacecraft
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>>16958762
Why don't they just stick a full Orion inside the payload bay? Here's your crew-rated spacecraft
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In the event of a vehicle failure, the launch abort system needs a straight shot to escape the zone affected by it. The entire front section of Starship would need to contain extraordinarily reliable blowout panels to destroy and separate the entire fairing section of the ship in moments.
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>vehicle failure
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The Northrop Grunman Firefly Eclipse rocket will use the tower catching method of recovery.
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640 AU away from you niggers sounds about right
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what is it for then
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>>16958762
This is the in-development starship, and it’s the only vehicle that’s going to have the mass to TLI and potential launch cadence + price to make permanent lunar habitation (the main goal of artemis) possible.
Without it, you might as well do another flags and footprints mission and call it a day, because SLS (the rocket carrying orion) doesn’t have the capability to do more than that
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It’s a long and complicated story, basically, SLS used to be part of the now cancelled constellation program, but congress wouldn’t let it die, however, that program included the procurement of the altair lander design, which was cancelled, this lander would provide a lot of the delta-v required for a direct one launch trip, leaving SLS as an incomfortably underpowered launcher for moon launches, this was going to be fixed with a better upper stage, but it’s been years and boeing still hasn’t delivered it.
Launching the lander is now a seperate task for another rocker, it’s an awkward workaround.
The upside is that starship is an extremely powerful rocket with a lot of upmass, when it becomes operational, it will make the lofty goal of permanent lunar habitation a lot more fiscally realistic.
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>then what was the point of all that testing of orion and sending it to the moon if its purpose is to be an orbital taxi?
They will transfer in the lunar orbit, it needs to be able to go the Moon and back. Basically Artemis IV will split the the Moon taxi and Moon landing between two completely separate spacecraft rather than doing it all in one launch like Apollo.
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We already did, in-space cryogenic prop transfer between two tanks was already tested on one of the starship flight tests.
Docking is relatively trivial and automated these days, so i doubt that would cause much additional challenge.
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Getting a second vehicle ready to fly in a timely manner while the first ship sits and waits is going to be a task in and of itself. Starship's orbital service life is not characterized yet. Not to say it's insurmountable or anything, just that even the mundane side of Space is unforgiving.
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Zubrin needs to stop trying to take credit for the vacuum washing thing. He got the idea, originally with microwaves, from /SFG itself. The only advantage with vacuum is that it permits metal elements such as zips to be present. However, since the bacteria resevoirs responsible for odour can be eliminated both from garments and the body (via standard bathing) regular treatment unnecesay. It is only required for visual stains if correct procedure is used initially. NASA was never going to credit this forum either, but I suppose we're all dishonestly standing on the shoulders of giants in some way
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A single ACES 71 can apparently put more mass into TLI than Saturn V
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How do you engineer a launch escape system that can handle a hundred passengers and be economical at the same time. That's why it doesn't exist.
Use as a Starlink workhorse should start a feedback loop that makes the risk in human flight acceptable. If it can't do Starlink duty very reliably i doubt humans will ever fly out or into earth's atmosphere with it.
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>>16958824
Putting mass into a "TLI" implies a direct injection where you never stopped firing since launch
Doing a TLI burn is when you are presumably in earth orbit and then do a burn.
It's kinda semantics but going straight from launch to TLI versus earth orbit and then TLI have different requirements.
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It should be easy to automate this process as well. Just time the landing and then program the drone to fly up and track the landing, then land. And have the drone be landed on a wireless charging platform.
Or if they want human involvement, allow humans to control it. They got starlinks
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how legit is this?
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-secretly-launched-rockets-into -space-from-aircraft-lawmaker-2026- 4
they claim they have a secret launcher similar to virgin orbit
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>>16958848
Amazon bought them for spectrum
if you have no way to monetize that spectrum (other than trying to sell it again), then its kind of pointless
Apple owning a big part of them and being able to basically block any transaction also creates a new layer there, Amazon probably made some sweetheart deal with Apple for them to agree to this
SpaceX wanted to buy some spectrum from them from a upcoming auction I think, but it probably makes more sense for Apple to have many providers they can buy services from than just SpaceX (also SpaceX doesn't need the spectrum as much so less leverage on them to get some good deal)
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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01194-4
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SpaceX has deployed a Grok-powered voice assistant to handle Starlink customer support calls, putting callers in touch with an AI that sounds convincingly human but identifies itself upfront.
PCMag confirmed the rollout after calling Starlink’s support line on Monday. “Hi there, I’m Towlie an AI assistant powered by Grok,” the voice told them when asked directly. The assistant can hallucinate incorrect answers to different types of questions:
https://www.pcmag.com/news/hi-this-is-ai-starlinks-customer-support-no w-features-grok-voice-chatbot
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>>16958856
>meanwhile feeder schools for PLA academies and the state's space programs are teaching their kids securing the moon is of the greatest strategic importance for the next several hundred years
there's no room for pussies for something as important as this
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>>16958856
I don’t even get why we bring them along.
I bet a lockheed replacement for the esm would be even better. we don’t need to rope canada in for a few robot arms.
we could do all of it without them, they could barely get off the ground without us.
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https://x.com/blueorigin/status/2044427117773889740
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https://x.com/vast/status/2044429555809829262
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There is a lot to it
>Air launch
>Ukrainian air-launch projects emerged as an attempt to address a fundamental problem—the lack of a domestic spaceport. As early as the late Soviet period, the Pivdenne Design Bureau and the Antonov Design Bureau began developing concepts in which an aircraft would serve as the first stage or launch platform.
>Unlike a traditional spaceport, such a system does not require expensive fixed launch facilities. The aircraft transports the rocket to a designated area, lifts it to an altitude of about 10 km, after which the rocket separates and fires its own engines. This simplifies trajectory selection, reduces azimuth launch restrictions, and allows for launches over neutral waters, which is particularly important for a country without a secure ground launch corridor.
>Svitiaz
>One of the most ambitious Ukrainian projects was the Svitiaz air-launched space rocket system in the early 2000s. It was developed based on the An-225 Mriya aircraft and a launch vehicle built from components, assemblies, and systems of the Zenit rocket.
>According to published specifications, the maximum takeoff weight of the entire system was to be 600 tons, and the maximum launch weight of the rocket was 250 tons. The system was designed to deliver up to 6,600 kg to a low circular orbit at an altitude of 400 km, up to 2,400 kg to a transfer orbit, and up to 700 kg to a geostationary orbit.
>However, the Svitiaz was never put into practical use and remained at the conceptual design stage due to a lack of funding.
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>>16958922
It comes from a pop-sci level of understanding of nuclear engineering and a complete lack of knowledge of how difficult it would he to extract from regolith.
Science fiction authors included it in their works and then normgroids conflated 'possible' with 'practical'
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It actually kind of seems like a miracle that the human body is still able to swallow and process/digest food from end to end and perform normative liquid/solid waste functions while floating in space, regardless of gravity.
I guess if we NEEDED it we would have eventually found a way to do it after project Mercury, by bringing along little centrifugal habitation modules or spinning the Apollo CSM or whatever. But it sure is nice that the human body can basically handle staying in space for a long time and all it needs is nutrition and exercise (which is basically already recommended on Earth for optimal health anyways)
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>Evolved from aquatic creatures capable of 3 dimensional orientation
>Even above water, we spend significant portions of our lives horizontal at rest
>Anon finds it surprising that our digestive system doesn't catastrophically fail as soon as gravity stops pulling food down towards our ass
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>Anonymous author
COWARD
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>>16958952
Fish must explore
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>>16958965
I don't see any info about that, so I would assume it's just the physical connector.
I have to imagine internal conduits would be popular though, given the size of it. You could run conduits and ducts through that thing with plenty of room to spare.
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/04/space-force-looks-at-moving-sign ificant-number-of-launches-from-ula -to-spacex/
ULA sisters...
>The Vulcan rocket is many months from returning to flight for the US military. One industry source told Ars that the Space Force may not fly another mission on Vulcan before the end of the year.
>Lt. Gen. Philip Garrant, head of the Space Force’s Space Systems Command, said the Vulcan rocket’s reliability woes are top of mind among the military’s space leadership. On Tuesday, Garrant told Ars the experience with Vulcan “absolutely will shape” the military’s thinking the next time the Pentagon buys launch services.
>Blue Origin’s New Glenn rocket needs to launch successfully two more times before becoming certified for the Space Force’s most important NSSL missions.
SpaceX has already started taking more contracts, it's only a matter of time before BO joins in on the action.
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>>16959000
With blue finally orbital and rocket lab on the way to having a bigger launcher it seems like ULA's days are numbered. When do their last gov launch contracts run out?
I wonder who will inherit their launch pads as well, they've got some nice real estate, the only worthwhile thing they've got.
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>>16959017
The geologist, of all people? Heh maybe he was playing 4D chess and just trying to any sort of economic incentive to get politicians / investors back to the Moon.
Then again he shilled for the original (shitty) national team lander over Starship so maybe he’s just kinda retarded
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wtf are these white dots?
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>>16959022
Stars and planets.
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>three years of flying the same trajectory mission
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ohhhhh
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the ones inside the moon
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>>16959032
fug
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>>16959034
radiation fucked a few of their cameras up
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The eclipse photos ended up being my favorite. Artemis II was awesome. Christina and Reid keep uploading videos they took on their phone and they just seem like such a good crew who enjoyed every second of the experience
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>radiation
fug
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>>16959043
Lots of them are also ironically named TRAAPIST, after the telescope, itself named after beer and Catholic monks who brew it.
And further irony in the whole God telling Abraham to go out and look at the stars, and “so shall your descendants be”
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>>16958852
I wish Eastern Europe had a Belka
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Jared acquired a new wife and kid, it seems.
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How long until the actual supersonic flight?
https://x.com/NASAaero/status/2044530598866211076
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we have static fire!
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https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/2044557029981753782
>Starship Flight 12: Booster 19 STATIC FIRE! Looks like the full 33 Raptor 3s, another first. Wait for SpaceX to confirm good test.
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>>16959094
Okay so like ACTUALLY deadass ~2 weeks now?
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>>16959108
It was fine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVePzm7kskk
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>>16959046
During the science observation when they talked about seeing lunar impact flashes, the science lady asked to make sure they weren't confusing them with the eye flashes and they said they were sure it wasn't those so I'm pretty sure they experienced them.
Related, is there any recording of the full livestream? I know some guy on NSF has one but I'd have thought there'd be more. I hope NASA makes it available in full at some point but I'm a bit worried they won't since the YouTube link is unlisted and unavailable now.
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I hope a side effect of Jared's administratorship will be a bit more aviation stuff.
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>Avid Space
when did this happen
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>>16958796
Putting 100x as much mass into orbit as the next-most-capable rocket, once it's operational. And the next-most-capable rocket puts 10x the mass in orbit as the rest of the world combined. And both rockets were made by the same company.
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>does orion get hidden inside the top?
No it will meet up with Orion in space, and the crew will cross over into Starship
>stages
Yes, this is just the top stage.
>where's the launch abort system?
Not needed because the crew isn't going to launch from Earth in this. They'll use and Orion and meet up with Starship later
This isn't the moon version though. The moon version will be white and will not have fins.
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Looks good to me
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https://x.com/SpaceX/status/2044590183761277386
>First 33-engine static fire for Super Heavy V3
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>>16959168
The only debris I see is vegetation and branches being flung around, but nothing from the trench itself.
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They are laughing at you.
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how do you deal with something like this? you cant shoot down the satellite and you cant attack the ground station because its in china.
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/iran-reportedly-bought-an-i n-orbit-chinese-satellite-to-target -us-military-sites-in-the-middle-ea st-purchase-agreement-included-ongo ing-ground-control-services-based-i n-china
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.5g / 500mb / 50%N 50%O will be hab standard
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>>16959166
just wait untill pic related is shuffling out of factories at a rate of 20k per everyone currently alive. It's going to be like starcraft irl.
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>>16959217
the greenhouses are separate and co2 enriched
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how would something like this mitigate impacts from asteroids anyway?
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>>16959210
kek
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ESA is a big fucking joke. They all take a ridiculous amount of time off. Lazy Lazy
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Even just a ten minute cycle would be enough that the stars look pretty normal, not spinning around like mad. You'd have to bring the sun in with a mirror.
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Even building one of these things implies you have no shortage of material, and a vast interior atmosphere provides stability for your environment.
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The Artemis pics are ok but I miss the Apollo graticules
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It already exists
https://youtu.be/WCoqOCvhSR0?si=R2Y_pZBJrtNuAtRJ
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>>16959142
It's not a grift, she is a patent troll. She's got the patent on the design but refuses to do anything with it because no one will pay her the amount she wants for an extremely niche technology. They'll just wait out the clock on her, and someone will make the shit. Or, hell, China will.
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APOLOGIZE
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Hmmmm....
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>>16958905
is it really a big deal
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>>16959352
It will become a big deal only if someone finally builds a station large enough for it to see common use.
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Does it make sense? Seem like it might work?
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>>16959292
I’m actually okay with this. Perhaps the conversation can be circled back to in the future, but for now every piece of hardware to other solar system bodies is basically artisanal and special and deserving ownership within the creator/launcher/operator
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>>16959350
You guys noticed these silicon valley bros have been extra scammy these last couple of years?
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https://x.com/blueorigin/status/2044757446967648438
>NG-3 integrated hotfire complete.
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Global warming has dumped vast amounts of fresh water into the ocean and this influx of fresh water is a major desalination event Because freshwater is less dense than saltwater, it fails to sink in the North Atlantic, shutting down the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC). This stops the transfer of warm water from the tropics to the Northern Hemisphere, which will cause abrupt superstorm and freezing the northern hemisphere as cool air is pulled down from the upper troposphere.
Space agencies of the world must work together to avert this crisis.
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https://x.com/kate_tice/status/2044764018724733277
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>>16959446
I am honestly still surprised rocked fad is sticking to carbon fiber, locks in the design quite hard and is obnoxious to manufacture
Oh and it's also a terrible material for a re-usable rocket that has to experience atmospheric heating during re-entry
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>>16959448
Mass produced aerospace grade carbon fiber-reinforced ceramic matrix composites (CMCs) is the future.
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>>16959450
Even if it is not successful it is still worth exploring new materials. Every technology problem has its roots in insufficient material science, be it in the actual materials themselves or the production techniques.
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/04/the-race-to-shackleton-crater-is -on-will-jeff-bezos-or-china-get-th ere-first/
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>>16959463
>btw AIII will happen before orbital ss
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>>16959472
no, the finish line is a self sustaining habitat in space/on mars
A domestically produced and tested lander is one of the prerequisites and BO seems to be further along on that than spacex.
Don't pretend you're incapable of understanding this.
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or matter in other than as a test article I guess, the knowledge will be transferable to v2
but what is the payload of v1? how much does it cost to bring material to the moon with it? how much will it cost to launch anything with New Glenn in the first place?
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it's really quite simple
falcon is better than anything blue has but it is near the limit of its performance
NG has more potential than falcon but it is only starting to ramp up
starship has more potential than NG but it is stuck in development hell
spacex is still ahead of blue on the merits of falcon alone, but if NG can come into its own before starship starts making money blue will be ahead
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>>16959502
>spacex is still ahead of blue on the merits of falcon alone
ahead in terms of what? most junk put into leo?
>>16959505
read the thread lil bro
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>>16959509
But SpaceX is losing billions a year, and its critical project starship is v n deep trouble. If starship doesn't work, ias promised in cost, reusability and cycle time, SpaceX can't even complete starlink, let alone the rest of Elon's fantasies.
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which way, spessman?
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wrong, SpaceX core business is profitable and growing fast, starship is not in deep trouble in any way even though retards catastrophize it here for some reason
starlink has 10k satellties and 10 million customers and growing, not really sure what you mean by "finished" here (with Starship the ambition grows, but it is profitable as is with F9)
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launches, cadence, mass to orbit, cost per kg to orbit, revenue, profitability, ROI on capital, how many millionaires and billionaires the company has created (employees and investors)
generally just basically anything to do with space except a few on-going research projects that might or might not actually be working out such as ISRU on the moon, but even then we don't really know what SpaceX is or isn't doing in those areas
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BO has more suborbital hops with tourists than SpaceX
BO has more aborted RnD programs that went nowhere than SpaceX
BO has used up more investor capital than SpaceX during its lifetime (10bil vs 25bil)
BO is slightly older than SpaceX (founded in 2000 vs SpaceX being founded in 2002)
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https://x.com/Alexphysics13/status/2044828669130985937
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>>16959530
Grok, is she right?
No! Game over man! It's all crashing down like a sea turtle's nightmare!
According to reports from The Information and Reuters in April 2026, SpaceX posted a nearly $5 billion loss in 2025, on $18.5 billion in revenue. A 30% loss against revenue.
That's why we don't have snakes in the Grok break room now.
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"Oh my. To shreds you say?"
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https://youtu.be/Dar8P3r7GYA&t=1005
Point to point travel on earth in two years. Wow what a time to be alive!
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>>16959564
Elon's entire empire is built on sand and self dealing. That's why, once he loses his political protection, he's off to prison.,
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>>16959559
ship reuse and stainless steel are ruining the program but they're married to both of them. it's forcing spacex to cut every single other corner, pushing raptor pressures up, stretching the ship and booster, cutting mass in other places they really shouldn't be.
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Blue Origin can't launch the V2 lander or even the V1.5 lander to the moon without either the 9x4 configuration or refueling.
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https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1dKrPEwABenJX
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yes, although it's mostly a materials science problem. You need a material that can apply the right pressure equally across the whole suit without losing elasticity. I think she's using tons of tiny wires or something, but mostly she's just sitting on the patents, waiting for a big pay check that will not come because he patent expires in a few years.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mazBsvbQM
>SpaceX Starship Dual Static Fires! - Ship 39 and Booster 19 Almost Ready! | Starbase Flyover Report
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>>16959578
so fucking gay. its over. reddit nasa or r/donaldtrump elon, pick your poison.
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>>16959586
I definitely like the pyramid vibes of the launch platform. We Tyrell Corporation now.
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The heartbreak of being an Elon girl.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gR612-6Isc
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maybe he works for BO and this is his way to cope with the new options packages (that are as dogshit as the old ones) while SpaceX employees become millionaires
https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/04/blue-origin-has-a-new-employee-s tock-plan-but-not-everyone-is-happy /
>Ars was able to review the materials and connect with some employees to gather their thoughts. Some of the early reviews are not positive, with one employee going so far as to describe the plan as “pure f—king trash.” And it’s not hard to see why some people feel gun-shy or disillusioned. The company’s previous stock plan, which ended up being essentially worthless, fostered a lack of trust.
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>>16959611
Why doesn't he try telling a joke?
People like jokes.
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https://www.spacex.com/launches/gpsiii8
>SpaceX is targeting Monday, April 20 for a Falcon 9 launch of the GPS III-8 mission to medium-Earth orbit from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. The 15-minute launch window opens at 2:57 a.m. ET, with a backup opportunity available at 2:53 a.m. ET on Tuesday, April 21.
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/2044861379878805538
>OK SpaceX is definitely trolling for being tasked with a quick task order to launch GPS satellites for the 4th time in a row LMAO:
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>RTG powered missions are now preferring SpaceX over ULA
It's so over for them, they've been completely fucked by their SRB reliability and launch costs because Tony was too prideful to admit he was wrong about reusability
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https://x.com/blueorigin/status/2044877618890109429
New Glenn launching soon
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>SpaceX finally launches something to land on Mars
>It's a Europoor rover
Would be the funniest shit if it actually finds the ayy lmaos and locks the whole "occupy Mars" thing behind planetary protection debates.
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What happened? Did they just load it, and de-tank? I see no closures on the site, so does that mean their aiming for a full duration static fire, if they're still keeping it on the pad?
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https://x.com/thunderf00t
still seems to be actively posting (seething about musk mostly) even though the last video is 2 months old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-FkE7Siafw
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>>16959758
https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/2044940336590397627
the quote tweet that wants to stop the standardized SLS is quote tweeting the ryan caton post
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What are the odds of nuclear propulsion or nuclear reactors on the moon ever happening? I can’t help but think the tax cattle are too brainwashed to accept such a thing.
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>Slightly frosty Super Heavy Booster 19 shortly after completing wet dress rehearsal testing today.
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>>16959790
First launch privilege
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>>16959308
>Butch and Suni told the A II crew to ask more questions
lmaoo
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>>16959126
>is there any recording of the full livestream?
There now is
https://archive.org/details/nasa-artemis-ii-primarystream
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>>16959126
Man I can't wait to see this thing fly at supersonic speeds
They should start to work on another electric airplane too.
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>>16959775
Most people are one news cycle away from being “idk” on anything nuclear, and they’re one slick advertising campaign away from being irrationally angry about it because the algorithm told them that’s what they need to be angry about.
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>>16959578
Sick of this shit. We need to put Chinese atheists on the next launches.
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Gastroenterological!
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>>16959924
I'd gladly pay but the hard part is convincing everyone else to pay.
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>>16959926
Ten per-cent!
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https://x.com/clearusui/status/2045114941481599254
clear went to space
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>>16959926
You should probably be concerned with making your own money before you decide amongst yourselves how much of other peoples money you are entitled to (Exactly zero)