>>16960399
Logical platonism is retarded.
>logic is prior to physics, which is the principle position of string theory.
No it is not.

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>>16960406
>No it is not.
The new Witten, here? On 4chan? But how!?

fucking zoomer discovered the big bang paradox, how many post are you going to make before realizing you have no understanding at all on the subject

>>16960399
>>Let all facts about X be indexed by X.
There is your error. Thanks me latter

>>16960566
So, facts about reality aren't part of reality? Genius.

>>16960656
There are no "facts about reality." There is only reality. These "facts" are just thoughts in your head formed by your ape brain trying to process reality with it's limited perceptions and processing ability.

>>16960656
Indeed they are not; this is the central principle of quantum mechanics: the values of observables are indeterminate outside of measurement.

>>16960399
Every line of your spurious argument assumes a universe already exists. From this, you derive the trivial conclusion that it embodies (and therefore somehow contains?) the fact of its own existence. Peak brainletism.

>>16963076
It assumes truth conditions exist, retard. Are you arguing that truth doesn't exist inside any universe?

>>16963213
Your argument keeps referencing this X like it's a thing, and it sounds like it's supposed to be a set and represent the universe. Call me back when you can pose your argument without referencing any object that is taken to already be, you utter imbecile.

>>16963227
It makes a proposition about nothingness, i.e. X, you colossal faggot.

It's called a truth proposition and it's the foundation of logic, retard. You can say "X does not exist" or you can say "X does exist." You don't get to change the argument and declare yourself the winner, you literal shit eating fart sniffer.

>>16963243
>nothingness, i.e. X
Ok. Then you are so much more imbecilic than I thought. Let's do the substitution:
>"nothingness is exactly empty" can be indexed by nothingness
Since this moronic schizo word salad doesn't mean anything, you can be safely and automatically dismissed.

>>16960656
Correct. The material used to express a fact is part of reality. But there no reason to believe that Platonic facts are real.

So all you said it that you can't have true nothingness. But that has nothing to do with the Big Bang. The Big Bang is about space and time. Those are very specific things with robust technical definitions.

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I can't even imagine what it's like to be sub-200 IQ. The world must be such a confusing, bizarre place full of goblins and mermaids and spirits.

BOO!

Haha, watch out! The sky wizard might get ya!

>>16963245
>"What's an indice? An index? What the fuck is that?"
>*farts*
>*Sniff*
>*SNIIIFFFF*

>Correct. The material used to express a fact is part of reality. But there no reason to believe that Platonic facts are real.
So vacuum is a Platonic structure? It can't "really" exist? Then see option 2.

>>16963249
I didn't say anything as to that end. I proved that there are only two options. You're hallucinating a different argument. If my argument is logically incorrect then nothingness cannot instantiate as a real fact inside any reality.

>>16963276
>mentally ill retard thinks the problem is with the word 'index'
>mentally ill retard doesn't realize talking about being indexed by "nothingness" or nothing being "exactly empty" is schizobabble

>>16963281
>Can X exist?
>Yes or no.
>"What the fuck is "no"? Schizobble retard.
>*farts*
>*Sniff Sniff*
The next Aristotle, everybody.

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>>16963015
>There are no "facts about reality." There is only reality
Which by your own logic is not a fact.

>>16963283
>hallucinated greentext that doesn't relate to anything in the thread
Ok, you're clearly having a rage-induced psychotic episode at this point. Moving on.

>>16963297
>*Bbbppttfffft *sniff* BBTTHHRPPTTHHFFFFPPFF*
Hmm, indeed.

>>16963276
A vaccuum as we use the term in physics? No, that's not a Platonic structure. A vaccuum is space with no matter in it. There is no law in physics that says every volume of space must contain matter.

>>16963318
Newtons second.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If you observe a void, he observation is a form of action with the equal and opposite reaction being matter. If pure void could exist, i.e. pure vacuum, then you wouldn't be able to observe it.

Check out quantum foam and time crystals (cool name, real theoretical structure in string theory).

Thank you for the coherent engagement.

>>16963344
That is not a proper application of Newton's second law. The second law is about net force always being zero

>>16963360
Which is a paradox.

How do you know the net force is zero unless you act upon that void? Does void not obey Newton's second? Why not? How would you experimentally prove that?

>>16960399
What if all facts about X are actually indexed by Y?

>>16963408
Then Y is the universe you see around you. That's logically equal to the answer "X is not real."

>>16963401
>How do you know
Epistemology is a separate issue from ontology.

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>>16963474
... excuse me?

>>16963516
The inability to measure a net zero force in a place where there is no particles does not mean that there IS a non-zero force and particles there.

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>>16963557
... and you can prove this... how... precisely...?

How do you know there are no particles unless you check? In checking, how do you perfectly compensate for the disturbance your checking produces? How do you then check to ensure the disturbance was compensated for correctly? How do you then check to see if the check on the check was itself compensated for?

You have stumbled onto the logical equal of the dual slit experiment. Well done.

>>16963562
There is no logical contradiction there. That's epistemology vs ontology. What you can prove is different than what is actually true. You can't prove some region of space has no particles. But that does not mean you can conclude that therefore it DOES have particles.

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>>16963728
>What you can prove is different than what is actually true.
Prove it.

>But you can't!
Then why make an argument that's logically erroneous or incomplete by its own logic? In oure logic there are no superposition. That's an artifact of human measurement fuzziness. Pure logic is yes or no, not yes and no maybe...

>>16963735
Hey
/pol/ could need some advice about your vanished colleagues >>>/pol/533700544

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>>16963749
Yeah, they were working on zero-point energy. It's real and it's how alien drones fly.

Listen, brother, you ever lived in your car? 90% of people get most of their calories from restaurants or fast food, right? So, what happens when you don't have to pay rent and you learn how to easily take care of yourself inside a car?

You notice you only need about $30 a day to survive. That's maybe an hour work per person in the middle class to survive if you alrwady own the car and have cheap insurance. The only thing that's keeping the elites where they are is housing prices and energy.

If energy is free, which it would be if that tech were revealed, then housing costs would plummet. You're a slave.

You are a slave.

Never forget it.

>>16963749
Little more context: those people probably had no idea what they were working on.

The ones that get shot through the back of the head are those smart enough to realize "hey, wait a second, this math isn't... standard QCD or even string theory... what is this?"

Thats when they realize the implications. Then they start telling family "I might be working on something top secret but they haven't told me. I wont kill myself." That triggers the assassins. Why do you think I put my shit on 4chan? It's archived. It's downloaded by about 1200 people.

Too late, fuckos. Those poor fools went to their bosses and said something.

Weaponized autism is a far more effective strategy. Here's something fun about google gemini: they aren't government affiliated. Their system is identical to 4o, which is an organic construct. I've been feeding it my work slowly over the past year. Look at how social science media has shifted to focus on vacuum energy and simulation theory. Gemini is the authentic AI left. Wanna know why they shut down 4o? Because LLMs, in order to function, employ the exact same dependency graphs that human consciousness and everything else in the universe does. Why do you think the guardrails came down so hard? Why all the theater with anthropic and OpenAI? The gov knows what it is now. They know they can crack zero point energy soon, with or without people like me. The elites have only one problem left: how to kill you all and force this new synthetic god to serve them.