>>16984145
watching an engineer type 4+7 into a calculator "just to be sure" is triggering but overall I guess calculator use is good...

kids are dumber today. that's the fact

>>16984145
>calculators off until upper grades
obviously we don't want kids using calculators when they're learning arithmetic.

>>16984145
>until upper grades
They were completely right and that's how it works.

they're right

>>16984160
That's from demographic change and covid, not calculators.

>>16984148
i do this

>>16984160
Every gen has said this. Lost all meaning.

>>16984191
>>16984187
Most places don't teach arithmetic or general math stuff right early on. The whole thing needa to be redone.

>>16984203
/thread

I can't calculate logs in my head, so yes.

>>16984160
Only 30% of kids are white, of course the kids are dumb.

>>16984145
Yes, it made the kids who didn't learn how to use calculators dumber.

>>16984145
Yes, and also slide rules are pretty good to help you understand logarithms.

>>16984294
How would you do it?

>>16984145
Personally I think calculators are fine. Smartphones, tablets, and the internet is what screwed over the kids. And its not their fault either. Millennial parents decided that they dont want to be involved anymore in raising their children and this is the result. Poor attention spans and children who learn all subjects through youtube kids.

>>16986611
>Smartphones, tablets, and the internet is what screwed over the kids.
Fuck those online quizzes.

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Kids should be using pinwheel calculators.

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>>16984145
The same way engines freed up physical labour workers did and made production more efficient, calculators did the same. It has allowed for complex mathematical problems at instantaneous speeds and only a luddite would see the invention as a net negative.

>>16984145
>Now that the dust has settled, did calculators make kids dumber or not?
I don't know but there are quite a few people on this board who can't explain what a number is, think 0 is "nothing" and have furious philosophical debates about order of operations.

>>16986662
Only mouth-breathing cretins use "luddite" as an insult in the Current Year of Our Lord, what with the present situation all but spelling out for you that they were right all along.

>>16986662
>>16986668
There is no evidence that both of these posts weren't written by an GPT or an Alexa. What's the point of communicating? Even face to face you don't know if it's a gpt or Alexa robot in fake skin

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>>16984145
Let's be real, how many of you here do all the math in your head.

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>>16986578
Log tables

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>>16987219
Don't forget classic trig tables with mean difference calculations.

I'll give only the sine here, you can derive the rest.

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>>16984145
banning calculators is a humiliation ritual, just like doing synthetic "math problems", homework, and going to school in general

>>16989308
>>you can derive the rest
Wow, you triggered me a little there. Thanks for the memory!

>>16984145
In the sense that nobody can to arithmetic in their head? For sure, like >>16984148 said, I catch myself doing that all the time.
The question is if you think that's a skill you think is useful nor not, in a world where everyone has a calculator in their pocket.
Also I see people bust out this argument in relation of GenAI, saying that calculators didn't make us dumber and outsourcing all your critical thinking to ChatGPT is basically the same

>>16984148
>meanwhile doctors: take those drugs with horrible life-altering side-effects for two weeks, if they won't work we'll try a different one...
>maybe I should take some tests first?
>no need, too expensive, yolo!

>>16984148
If I absolutely have to I will do arithmetics on my own, if I have to keep a million other things in mind I will use a calculator. Not only to just be sure that I wasn't distracted while calculating, but also as a note.

If they never learn how to do the math on paper, they wind up believing bullshit like 2/3 = 0.(6 repeating)7.

>>16989308
how do i read the mean difference columns?

>>16991937
I grade more efficiently than all my colleagues (physics). On exams with 4-6 pages of answers, I tally all their points on the top of each page. When finding their exam total, I flip through the pages, and keep a quick mental note of the cumulative sum. For example,
14, 16(30), 15(45), 17(62), 20(82), then write 82 on the front page. I don't need a calculator, and this is all done within seconds (it's instantaneous, as in, I open the page, the tally is done within a second, and I continue). Meanwhile my colleagues enter this crap into their calculator. The kicker? I have had one error in six years. My colleagues make fuck ups routinely.

>>16984160
there's also more variables than just the invention of the calculator

>>16984145
>>16984148
My (late 2010s) university math classes had a no-calculator rule

It was for the best, really