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>been in /scg/ for years now
>still not employed in stem
its truly joever.

Is working in a startup just BARELY above doing a postdoc in terms of career progression?

>>16992514
Its miles better. Lightyears better.

Being financially dependent on the women in your life is actually W faps and highly goated

>>16992596
How does one reach this nirvana? Just like.. get fired and fail to find a replacement job? And then spend increasingly large amounts of time getting into fringe conspiracy theories online while my life crumbles and my kids worry for the unknown future and whether I'll be around in a few years?

>>16992602
For me all I had to do was be myself

>>16992618
How do I be yourself, do you have any top tips. I don't want to work any more. Shit sucks balls, from the perspective of the ball sucker. Not fun, but it pays the bills. I'd rather the wife paid them. She don't have money or a job though. What do?

>>16992634
Basically I just got me a down bitch and let her know what's up.

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Why are there sex having normies posting in my stemcel thread? This isn't reddit.

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retard EEfag, I got 2 C+'s, a D+ (in a proofs course, shouldn't have taken it) and an F this semester but I got an internship at hidden gem company that designs custom electronic filters, am I fucked next year when I start applying for jobs?

>>16992729
Man you wouldn't even know the first thing about it. Get to stepping fool.

>>16992803
you are doing well practical experience >> grades. You can have perfect grade and no one will hire you without job experience. Happened to me.

>>16992514
I'm assuming you're talking careers outside academia. Postdocs do not count for career progression. Working in a real job counts for career progression. Startup counts, just your job title may not translate directly when applying to bigger companies. Your job title can be senior executive science god, does not mean that is the level you will be hired or paid at in a big company.

God damnit all.

I am an aerospace engineering major and I want to become an astronaut

I just want some money in my pocket, a job I can tell people I work without immediately feeling shame and to go on holiday a few times a year. Is that too much to ask after all I've been through?

I got my masters from Loyola in flair bartending and eating pussy

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>welcome to the physics department

>>16993212
You sound like the kind of straight shooter who should run a trillion dollar aeronautical company

>>16993296
Every department which follows the laws of physics is the physics department. Any which don't follow the laws of physics need to be investigated for crimes against causality.

For anyone still conteplating a career in maths:
>Leiden Declaration on Artificial Intelligence and Mathematics
https://leidendeclaration.ai/
>Technological developments have repeatedly transformed the practice of mathematics. Recent artificial intelligence technologies, including symbolic and neural methods for the generation and formalization of mathematics, may already have initiated a significant chapter in this long history. Among researchers, artificial intelligence has produced a wide range of reactions: enthusiasm for its potential to yield new discoveries; intimidation by the pace of developments; indifference to these rapid changes; and concern for the implications, both for mathematics and in wider society.

>>16993448
>luddite scientists
crazy times we are living in

>>16993474
Sneedite

>>16993448
Thankfully I got out after PhD.

>create a linkedin account since apparently that's mandatory these days
>5 minutes into browsing and I already feel like murdering someone
is this really what "job searching" is like these days?

>>16993704
You are not supposed to actually look at the content. Just message people.

>>16993706
I get that, and that's what pisses me off
I just want to get a goddamn job, not talk to people

>>16993708
Just message recruiters.

I'm a X looking for Y. Do you have any openings? Thanks.

It is literally their job to find you a job.

>>16992282
>still wake up in a panic that I've missed some assignment or slept through class
>still have trouble sleeping ecause i have a strong feeling I've forgotten to do some homework or readings

Can I get neetBUX for education induced ptsd

>>16992282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WIfK-_WbTM

Do you guys use AI to write your cover letter? I have been trying but it can't get the subtle differences right and it always sounds convoluted. Worst of all I have slowly adapted that way of writing as well now.
I do hope the hiring department at the department doesnt notice or skips it.

>>16993757
What kind of reddit normie are you? Being a student is bliss compared to your average office job

I miss being a student and only having to worry about exams right as they're coming up, and just fucking about drinking with my roommates for 4 years.

>>16993937
I'm a 90 IQ retard that neets monotony and stability, I'm tired of half assing exams and wondering if I'm good enough

>>16994030
>I'm tired of half assing exams and wondering if I'm good enough
I never understood this. Are you working in fast food. How can work tasks be less stressful than some exam with clearly defined curriculum?

>>16993937
I have a job with a fair amount of stress, responsibility and deadlines.

It's still much less stressful for me than exams and university was. Maybe a personality thing or growing up. Used to get all bent out of shape for exams, now the whole enterprise can burn down with everyone inside it and I don't really care.

>>16993704
I just deactivated my LinkedIn a little while after I got a job. Can resurrect it if jobseeking again. Or not, nobody cares.

>>16994049
Yeah, it might be a maturity thing. Have you taken any courses/exam as an adult? I have and it is really not that stressful.

>>16994059
>Have you taken any courses/exam as an adult?
I was 24 at the time of my last exam. Shat bricks. But that was 8 years ago and definitely got less neurotic since then.

Nobody wants to hire a buck wild homothug to help train their LLMs they just want him for Sisyphean "research projects". Give that down low G some stock grants!

>>16992852
Don't places ask for your transcript before you even get an interview thoughever

>>16994620
generally speaking once you've got a couple YOE no one will ever bother to check your university credentials. if you can suck dick into your first job and hold it down for a bit it won't matter.

transcripts are used to downsample the 500 jeets who apply to every entry level job

>>16993937
you never have to do anything hard at work unless you go out of your way to seek out challenges. in uni you will probably have to work hard at least a few times if you want decent grades

most people aren't working 9-9-6 at a startup

>>16994408
>help train their LLMs
is this an actual career path or a pump and dump scheme?

>>16994620
who cares you design electronic filters the one rule in this field has always been practical experience >>> degree. Plenty of master/phd graduates that don't know how to crank something or fear hands on stuff.

>>16994049
Same for me. Could also be a question of upbringing. I believe a good chunk of university students come from families that hammer down the
>get that degree or you'll end up sweeping streets whole life
mantra since preschool along with
>you failed the exam? I told you to study more and not $FUN_ACTIVITY, idiot! Lazy bastard! Who the hell did I raise?

>>16994030
>90 IQ
Can't be real. I bet everyone ITT is at least 110... right?

>>16994744
why would you think that? consider that this is the general where the bottom of the barrel end up. the typical 4chan user is an L5 staff engineer at FAGMAN while we here are the losers who can't even find a job and therefore had to stay in school for 4-6 more years to keep our parents off our case

>>16994750
>stay in school for 4-6 more years to keep our parents off our case
lmao this is the only reason I even went to college in the first place

>>16994736
Well I'm an orphan and nobody really gave two shits about my education. Did the job equivalent of street sweeping for a year before university so that part was clear enough. Just naturally neurotic, would not have been in university otherwise from this position.

>>16994758
yeah, me too. thought society would collapse into race war but didn't have anything better to do. then got my engineering degree and couldn't find a job, enrolled in a master's. then the lab I did my thesis at offered me a job, couldn't find anything better, ended up getting a PhD because what else are you gonna do

>>16994744
You have an inflated sense of IQ, most people are retarded. Having an IQ of 160 is basically nonexistent and most normgroids after getting shuffeled into their designated wageslavery won't know anyone with an IQ over 130. Even undergraduate students today are hardly selected to be over 100. Hell your average PhD student is proabably 110-115 (unless you're in a top program)

>>16994709
I don't know but it's the only thing I have any real work experience in.

>>16994709
Our favorite mathematician/dog groomer seems to survive on this.

>>16994921
I have a tested IQ of ~130 from job applications to Swedish military intelligence. I have a math PhD from a lower-tier Swedish technical university. I currently work as an engineer at a Swedish defense contractor, making $62k/year.

There is no way most math/physics PhDs are 110-115.

>>16994968
>>16994921
I think the hyperfocusing on IQ is a juvenile midset and people really overestimate its importance. It's necessary but not sufficient. Getting things done requires qualities besides the raw brain power. Solving puzzles is just one aspect of almost any job. Especially once you get into "real" jobs and not just research in pure mathematics.

>>16995013
You are right. However, I don't think the claim that most PhD students are 110-115 is correct.

>>16994968
>IQ of ~130
>PhD in math
>$62k
KEK absolute state
Why not move to the US and bag x5 that after tax?

>>16995060
Would love to. I struggled a lot in my latest job search. A math phd is not really a good degree for employment.

>>16995060
Moving to the US isn't exactly straightforward these days. Applying for US jobs from outside the US is a massive disadvantage.

>check out some communities for applying to college for old times sake
>its all Indians asking in broken English if they'll get into american C tier colleges and SLACs and also trying to bring their whole families over
Lol. Its all so fucked

>>16995013
this is really just cope for when you yourself don't have enough IQ and/or can't afford the top IQ men for your company.

>>16995060
>Why not move to the US
why not just win the lottery? retard. moving to the US was always extremely difficult for europeans outside a very narrow elite circle, and now it's basically impossible for the foreseeable future

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>>16994968
>>16995016
Cope
https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/BFI_WP_2020137.pdf

>>16995245
Grim

>>16995245
So even in the "good old days" the average PhD IQ was still >115? Holy fuck it's so over

Swedish military intelligence tested my iq to be around 130. Unfortunately, I failed the interview part of the psychological evaluation. Kind of a bummer since I TA'd cryptography classes during my PhD. Kind of shocking how they are allowed to discriminate against autistic folkx.

is civil engineering good if i just want a comfy government job

I got a master in Physics, but fell into depression and I have stayed unemployed for almost a year without even attempting to get a job.
Be honest with me:, if I want to get into industry how fucked am I?
I am in Europe so I know that an employment gap isn't as catastrophic as in the US, but logically I don't get why anyone would hire me instead of just getting someone who doesn't have a gap.
Should I just try to apply to shit jobs / work for free just so I can get a foot in the door?

>>16995767
Get PhD

>>16995767
which industry are you thinking about?

>>16995767
Just get a job at the physics factory.

>>16995784
I don't think that's an option. I didn't get very good grades for my master mostly because I had a something of a prolonged mental breakdown during my last two years.

>>16995787
I wanted to do data analysis, but honestly any industry field is fine. However I didn't do a condensed matter master nor did I do a lot of lab stuff so I don't know how doable it is to look elsewhere.

>>16995795
If you mean CERN then I really would prefer not to. I know some people from uni working there who are having the times of their lives and I would probably have a meltdown if I bumped into them and had to explain to them that I have been a complete loser for a year.

>>16995807
If you can get a job at CERN you absolutely should.

>>16995807
How are you a loser if you're working in the same company with similar qualifications

>>16995681
Probably. Water flows down hill and sum of forces equals 0

>>16995767
damn you are my clone I was in the same situation on top of that it was my first real job at 30.
Its not that hard if you still have contacts with your old research group getting a phd is a option but I have found as long as you can prove you have the knowledge they will take you at a low wage. At least GSI and Fraunhofer dont seem to mind all that much since I had a recommendation by my prof but I ended up going to a temp agency instead to have industry experience at a very shitty wage. Getting a directly hired by industry is hard I would not recommend that approach also be ready to move. Finance consulting usually hires physicists even if they are useless.
One year in and you earn normal thats the price you pay.

>>16995898
>tfw had a chance to do a phd at my country's CERN delegation
>tfw decided to stay in national lab instead because I didn't think I'd stick around for the whole PhD anyway and would just go to a better job at some point

>>16996008
>physicists even if they are useless
The seethe LMAO

When I win a lot of people are going to enter a hell they'll never crawl out of. I'm going to make all of this, ALL OF IT, their problem.

>>16996087
Also I'm going to rape my supervisor yadda yadda yadda you know the drill by now MAN I NEED A JOB BADLY!

>>16995245
Old data bring on the newest data

>>16996025
Big yikes. You could have put ex-cern PhD physicist on your LinkedIn.

Im gonna put him in one of those pvc vacuum sealing things