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its been too long since we had a CCP edition edition

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>>16996023
I never understood the orbital mechanics of this scene. If they have (basically) infinite dV, you can go anywhere. Couldn't they just hover descend through the atmosphere at their own pace instead of coming in hot?
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F9 launching in 28 minutes from SLC-40. Starlink 10-35.
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Cancel Starship.
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>>16996045
Why?
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>>16996044
>0 viewers
It's over
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>>16996043
If they were to hover directly downward the long chain and probe they’re lowering into the atmosphere would be vaporized by the ship’s torchdrive level exhaust.
And they cannot hover the ship at the required altitude because the higher atmospheric density would start diffracting the laserlike IR torchdrive exhaust back at the ship alongside plasmatizing the atmosphere itself, the ship would melt.
They’re essentially on a pseudo-statite trajectory. In order to dangle the chain away from the exhaust and keep the ship above the dangerously thick parts of the atmosphere that would cause them to melt their own ship.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMyUkexte_k
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https://www.valleycentral.com/your-local-election-hq/esteban-steve-guerra-unseats-eddie-trevino-for-dem-county-judge-nomination/
Cameron county judge Trevino lost his primary to the Port of Brownsville guy who recently approved the NG pipeline. It seems Guerra's primary concern in regard to SpaceX is improving public access to Boca Chica beach. A small win for SpaceX overall assuming he wins the general election.
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>>16996069
keep the beaches open. that takes priority over spacex.
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IPO is on Friday. also elon will become the first trillionaire in history.
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>>16996077
and you will never go to space
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SPEHS
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>>16996078
What an odd thing to post.
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https://x.com/djfnfkdkdkz/status/2063942737414812052
>Long March-5 Y11 (Long Fairing) will be launched in the coming days.
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whats the deal with this partially assembled piece of junk?
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>>16996092
it's only "odd" if you're median IQ, like all space railfans
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Who's he talking to anyway?
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>>16996035
I think the walking fingers gesture here means "走" which is literally "walk" but also means "go" as in "Let's go" or even "WE GAAN"
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>>16996103
still remembering how hard tory was mindbroken seeing a 21st century engine.
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>>16996132
post it, I wanna see it
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>>16996132
>seeing a 21st century engine
Or any engine for that matter
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https://www.stokespace.com/nova-stage-1-completes-proto-qualification-testing/
I love the super medium booster.
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>>16996156
>faggoty red cap
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>>16996156
>awesome cool red cap
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>>16996169
Not spaceflight until they put them in orbit.
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>>16996171
yeah exactly. this news is further justifying the logic behind pivoting to orbital data centers. elon is a visionary.
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>>16996084
So are we supposed to assume that the crunch wrap is going to be reusable?
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>>16996190
Nothing is assumed, which is why we test.
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>>16996156
Surely they will be able to compete with F9 costing $15 million internally.
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>>16996173
I wouldn't even call it a pivot. Nearly everyone agrees that Starlink was a boon to the Falcon program. It allowed them to launch and test their rockets at a much higher cadence while also generating revenue and creating tertiary capabilities. However Starlink alone won't be enough to support an interplanetary Starship program, nor will NASA as the costs will easily consume multiple years worth of their budget. Orbital data centers are simply the next logical step to grow the company and support the Starship cadence and the greater ambition of Mars.
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ESA confirmed for Artemis III
https://www.youtube.com/live/g9Upxj1ZjlY
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>>16996238
>Canada gets the actual first flight back around the moon
>ESA gets sidelined to the fucking useless LEO mission
Kek. And we’ll give JAXA a seat on the actual ShartyIV landing
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>>16996238
>NASA will provide an update on the Artemis III mission during a live event at 17:00 CEST (11:00 EDT) on Tuesday 9 June, from NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. With the European Service Module providing power, propulsion and life support for Orion, Artemis III represents a major European contribution to humanity's return to the Moon.
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Please save Matthew Dominick for the actual lunar landing. Anyone getting sent up on III has the privilege of doing one of the most boring missions possible
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>>16996251
should have gone with a US built module. The Euros are getting uppity.
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>>16996199
How do you address size, power delivery, and response time? What is the cost of the land versus the cost of launching an entire data center into orbit, piecemeal, and then somehow connecting it all together?
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what a miserably boring day
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>>16996269
these are questions that just expose you as being completely ignorant of any relevant information regarding this and contribute nothing
maybe go watch some youtube videos on it, didn't hullo make some about orbital data centers?
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With all the EDS (Elon Dick Sucking) that Casey Handjob has been doing over the years, isn't it a bit sad that Elon won't offer even the slightest crumb of support to Casey's ailing startup?
Especially since Terraform has direct applicaiton to Mars.
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>>16996281
I don't think he believes in handouts. Elon doesn't have time to evaluate every mickey mouse startup.
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>>16996281
Elon only does questionable buyouts for failing startups if you're his brother lol
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https://x.com/SpaceX/status/2064099405758906727

120kw sustained/150kw peak
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Each sats are roughly same as GB300 (~140kw) rack for each sat.
Each AI1 sats will connect to either other AI1 sats or to Starlink to close the gap via 1TBps laser with 3ms latency between each sats.
Roughly comparable to fiber connection on the racks themselves.

Radiator is roughly same as the radiators on v3 Starlink sats.
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Gigasat factory in Bastrop, TX
It will be 10X larger than Giga Texas factory from Tesla

The world currently produces ~100GW of AI compute. SpaceX wants to pursue 1 TW
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SpaceX aiming for few hundred million terminals in the world. And a new lower cost Starlink terminal is being introduced.
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>>16996308
when is the first launch?
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>>16996314
They will be doing "some reasonable" volume factory production by end of next year. So probably launching either end of this year or early next year.
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>>16996317
all that vanishing farmland...people are going to go hungry. food prices will rise.
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>>16996317
Musk's factory building expertise is unbeatable at this point. The vertical integration and the speed of it.
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what useful work will the AI compute do?
more snailcat?
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>>16996269
its going to be distributed based on starlink v3
not one humongous monolithic datacenter
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>>16996321
is this starship upmass or data center upmass?
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>>16996253
apollo 7 was the most dangerous mission since mercury.
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>>16996324
what's up, mass?
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>>16996324
all of it, the the deceptive part is that all of the combined f9/fh dont even make a blip the chart due to how low the numbers are. each F9 delivers ~17 ton to orbit. So 150 launch is only ~2500 metric ton. Which is nothing on the 500K metric ton scale.
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>>16996331
america won
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>>16996326
Every manned space launch is the most dangerous endeavour [no pun intended] since the last one that launched
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>>16996313
SpaceX is now an AI and robotics company. Aerospace is now a sideline business for them. From their S-1 filing with the SEC:
>We believe we have identified the largest actionable total addressable market (“TAM”) in human history. We estimate that our quantifiable TAM is $28.5 trillion, consisting of $370 billion in Space from space-enabled solutions; $1.6 trillion in Connectivity across $870 billion in Starlink Broadband and $740 billion in Starlink Mobile as well as additional opportunities in enterprise and government; $26.5 trillion in AI across $2.4 trillion in AI infrastructure, $760 billion in consumer subscriptions, $600 billion in digital advertising, and $22.7 trillion in enterprise applications. For illustrative purposes of sizing our addressable market opportunity, we exclude China and Russia from our global estimates.
By SpaceX's own evaluation, $26.5 trillion of it's $28.5 trillion potential value is from AI and AI accessories.
Note: it is securities fraud to intentionally file a misleading statement with the SEC, especially for something like an IPO. This is one of the areas where the government is actually quite anal about things being based on actual dependable data. Wall Street doesn't like being lied to and will use the government to obliterate those who do. So what we have now is SpaceX saying that a single digit percentage of the company's value is in space.
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>>16996337
>SpaceX is now an AI and robotics company. Aerospace is now a sideline business for them.
aircraft are moving in the direction of drones anyway. technically falcon 9's are robots too.
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>>16996337
> SEC enforcing anything
lol
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we need a factory factory
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>>16996343
That already exists it’s called McMaster-Carr
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>spacex will launch 2x to 3x the mass next year that they did this year
yeah this is investor bait
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>>16996344
I ordered from them today funnily enough
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>>16996345
at 30 tons per starship, that's a lot of launches
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>>16996323
Ok great so it’s not a monolithic object. It still needs to be massive with huge solar panels and radiators for every node.

Oh and latency and maintenance cost are going to suck ass. When a component fails on earth, you have an IT monkey swap it out. A component, any component, goes down in space? Sorry that rack is down forever.
And how about upgrades? A terrestrial datacenter doesn’t require you to rebuild the entire facility if NVDIA rolls out a new GPU.
And will they need to custom design every component to be rad-hard?
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maybe two launches worth of spacex AI sats will launch in total before they shelve the project.
they'll cancel it under the guise of some new super-invention that improves AI compute that can only be done on earth.
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>>16996348
see >>16996308
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a spacex making a starship <3 heartwarming
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>>16996283
The only way you could consider it a handout is if Elon actually thinks solar is a scam. Otherwise it's an investment.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgb-oYXAoY8
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whens the next new glenn hop?
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>>16996199
also orbital solar is the cheapest form of power once launch costs come down
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>>16996357
6-18 months
gradatim ferociter
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>>16996357
don't worry about it
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terafab will be so large that it'll be easily visible from space
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Elon's skin is ashen and he's thinned up. he's on the glp fo sure
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Daily reminder that Elmo is a scam.
He is an illiterate narcissist and you are his flying monkeys.
Daily reminder that humans will never ever have colonies on Mars, the Moon, or anywhere else in outer space.
Daily reminder that there's no Planet B and there never ever will be one.
Daily reminder that you're all scientifically illiterate marvel capeshit consoomers
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>>16996357
Anon, I…
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>>16996365
mindbroken again lmao
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>>16996365
>During plea negotiations with Swartz's attorneys, the prosecutors offered to recommend a sentence of six months in a low-security prison if Swartz pled guilty to 13 federal crimes. Swartz and his lead attorney rejected the deal, opting instead for a trial where prosecutors would be forced to justify their pursuit of him.
>kills himself before trial while out on bail

totes the same thing
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>>16996365
Daily reminder that ur fagit
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>>16996369
They were adamant about throwing the entire book at him, I believe. He was fucked
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>>16996372
He was a thief caught red handed doing sketchy things
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>the ai factory wont be done until late next year at the earliest
why are they saying that they'll be launching AI sats this year then?
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>>16996374
The finished product will compute so fast that it goes back in time, this is a known feature.
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https://spacenews.com/fcc-lets-amazon-leo-miss-deployment-deadline-with-temporary-spectrum-penalty/

>FCC lets Amazon Leo miss deployment deadline with temporary spectrum penalty
>Amazon no longer faces a July 30 cutoff for deploying half its planned 3,232 broadband satellites, but the reprieve comes with a temporary loss of spectrum priority that could give SpaceX and other rivals more leverage in orbit.

>The Federal Communications Commission granted the company a waiver June 5 after only 331 Amazon Leo satellites had been launched since deployments got underway last year, or just over 10% of the proposed Gen 1 constellation.

>Amazon said the constellation had been held back primarily by a lack of available rockets, despite signing launch contracts worth several billion dollars and making manufacturing progress on the satellites it builds in-house.

>A deadline to deploy the full constellation by July 30, 2029, remains in place, which the company said it is still on track to meet following the recent grounding of Blue Origin’s New Glenn, one of several newer rockets its launch manifest relies on.
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>>16996376
>Amazon said the constellation had been held back primarily by a lack of available rockets
clearly thats not the real issue since there's an abundance of launch capacity
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>>16996374
they don't need a full on running factory to launch some test satellites
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>>16996348
Why should a single component make the entire satellite useless? There's no need to swap a part when you aren't trying to maximum the use of a building. When enough parts die, deorbit the satellite and send a new one.
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>>16996380
why does he look like that?
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charm offensive.
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one millionth of the kardashev 2 or in other words one microsol is about 3.826 * 10^20 Watts
or about 383 million Terawatts, currently human civilization consumes 21 Terawatts
or 55 nanosols
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Why don't they strap multiple heavy boosters in an asparagus configuration?

It worked in KSP!
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>>16996391
gwynne-terview when?
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>million tonnes to orbit in about three years
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>>16996395
unlimited launch works
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>>16996392
>It worked in KSP!
So does a big stack of decouplers with the ejection force set to high.
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>>16996397
it begins
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>>16996397
>$ASTS
Why of all companies is there such a cult around them? They don't launch their own rockets
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spacex needs to build that gps alternative and make it resilient towards that gps jammer system that russia built
https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/06/tests-suggest-russian-satellites-can-jam-gps-on-a-continental-scale/
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>>16996318
All that grass lawn biodiversity...like tears in rain
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>>16996311
I hate that they measure "compute" in terms of power. They need something like the old FloPS, and we need to work harder on low power computing.
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>>16996418
Flops dont matter, what matters is compute. You can change the flops based upon how many digits you calculate. FP16, fp32, fp64, fp8, int4, int3, etc. And these relevance change depending on usage of the AI models over time as well given that better algorithm can extract more from the same chipset. So compute power is more accurate/stable factor
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How many computes can computers compute if computation is computed in the computers?
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>>16996348
Investor bros are inescapable, even in /sfg/

>Oh and latency and maintenance cost are going to suck ass.
Best guess right now is that the sats are designed for a 5 year lifespan. They just have to design around the satellite remaining useful for that long. Remember that they operate more satellites than the rest of the world combined and therefore have multiple times more experience operating electronics in space than any other organization ever has.
>And how about upgrades?
Again, 5 year lifespan. You just launch the newest chips as they're developed and the swarm is a gradient from last gen to current gen.
>And will they need to custom design every component to be rad-hard?
They orbit so low that radiation isn't much of a non-issue.
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>>16996199
>However Starlink alone won't be enough to support an interplanetary Starship program
Why? People just repeat this despite the prior claim that Starlink would be enough. They're already raking in billions with Starlink and that's before V3. What changed? Were the prior claims bullshit? Are the new ones? Show the numbers.
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60 sat launches per Starship
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365 (daily launch from per port)
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4 ports
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13.14 Gigawatt per year of compute
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>>16996426
>daily launch
>4 ports
really?
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>>16996432
F9 launches almost every other day
Starship will be daily
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>>16996426
>only 13.14GW
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>>16996317
daaamn, this will result in the death of millions of beetles and ants lmao
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the ipo stuff has tainted spacex discussions. now people automatically assume you are talking about stocks for half of the discussions.
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>>16996320
SpaceX is a factory company
They don't even make things they just build factories for other companies to make things
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>>16996383
This will be known as Martian phenotype
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>>16996317
>factories dropped from orbit
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whatever happened to starlink in india?
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>>16996383
what is that wtf
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>>16996308
>already down from 100 kW/t
keeek, I'm looking forward to seeing this evolve like the Starship payload mass
>>16996309
>3ms latency between each sats.
>Roughly comparable to fiber connection on the racks themselves.
If by roughly comparable you mean one to two orders of magnitude higher, sure
>Radiator is roughly same as the radiators on v3 Starlink sats.
I don't remember v3s having radiators, or does this include the bus body area?

>>16996373
So was Facebook, and much harder to boot

>>16996380
Is he starting to bog out? Or is it the leather jacket that makes my brain associate the two?
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>Amazon initially reserved launches on all of the West’s commercially available heavy-lift rockets except those from SpaceX, which owns Starlink, Amazon Leo’s chief competitor.
fucked around. found out.
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>>16996337
Those are some powerful nipples
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>>16996453
Shareholder lawsuit also, but I'm not sure if it went anywhere.
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>>16996382
>>16996451
He's been hanging out with Jensen Huang

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