>>97816513
>When was the last time you saw non-human necromancer, lich or vampire?
Mine are typically non-human, even though they look human.

>>97816513
Have you tried not playing D&Dogshit?

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>>97816513
Go ask in the other necromancer thread.

>>97816513
The D&D game I literally played last week had an elf necromancer as the main villain.

>>97816567
It's literally everywhere, just try to find a non-human undead, it's practically impossible and all such characters are forgotten. So only humans remains and that one orc from WoW.

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Well yes. Not necessarily because humans are better at it. Humans are just more primed for necromancy, vampirism and other dark means to extend your lifespan via dark powers because of their lifespan and general intelligence.

For the same reason that I think humans would be naturally the most religious race. They live long enough to get attached to life, but live short lives (relatively speaking) that mortality is a real concern for them. And they are smart enough to ponder about mortality and what lies after. Short-lived races like goblins may live in the moment and aren't intelligent enough to have deep thoughts about mortality and death. And long-lived races like elves and dwarves may view death more as a release after a long, fulfilling but also hard life.

Humans, therefore, will either look to the heavens and pray for a good afterlife. Or they will shun morality and seek immortality through means like necromancy.

>>97816513
Elder scrolls has plenty of dunmer necromancers.

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>>97816598
Elf Necromancers and Dark Wizards are pretty common in fantasy stories.I think you're just a retard who only consumes slop.

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>>97816513
>>97816598
Tell me you're retarded tourist cancer without telling me you're retarded tourist cancer.

>>97816792
If they are so common, you can provide me with a list of known characters, right?

>>97816759
And some of those necromancers are necrophiliacs, too.

>>97816811
>woke slop
Nag, I'll pass.

>>97816844
Oh, you're one of THOSE retards. Thanks for clarifying, next time do it in your opening post. Preferably on /pol/, not /tg/.

>>97816844
There's real irony in a faggot with D&D brainrot calling anything woke.

>Dracula - human
>Lich King - human
>Witch King - human
>Nagash - human
>Lord Soth - human
>Azalin Rex - human
But sure, your unknown characters show that there is no humancentrism at all, there are tons of nonehuman undead, it's just that no one can remember them, but why should such a trifle stop you from denying the truth?

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>>97816844
>"I only read stories about straight white male fighter men because anything else is gay and woke!"
>"Why are all the characters in my stories straight white male fighter men?"

>>97816579
It's the same OP though.

>>97816903
>Dracula
>Setting where everyone is human
>"Why are all the vampires human?"

I know you get off on humiliating yourself, but it's time to for you to stop posting and focus on your homework or something, kiddo.

>>97816881
>>97816912
Nah, I just can't stand this zoomers "ironic fantasy" that's afraid to take anything seriously and therefore hides behind a mask of sarcastic cynicism. Plus the characters will always find a way to be incompetent deepshits at the most inopportune moment, so no, I prefer something in the style of Cyberpunk 2077 or The Witcher.

>>97816950
Funny you mention Witcher, a franchise where vampires are in fact not humans, but are in fact blood-consuming monsters from another plane that merely imitate humans to facilitate easier hunting.

Once again you prove yourself a retarded tourist grasping at straws because your media literacy and knowledge of the genre you're talking about are almost zero. It's fine that you're stupid, but don't act like you're speaking for anyone other than your own kind.

>>97816949
He's still the most famous vampire in literature and no elf sucker has been able to dethrone him. Cope harder.

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>>97816950
The Witcher, a franchise where one of the main antagonists are... evil... magical... ELVES.

Holy fuck you're retarded. I'd ask if you're trolling, but if trolling isn't funny (and yours isnt, its just sad) then that just makes you a faggot.

>>97816995
And none of them are particularly famous. But your neurodivergent brain seems incapable of grasping that fact. Oh well.

>>97817043
I'm not sure if the skid marks are from you moving the goal posts or shitting yourself. Probably both.

>>97817043
Elder Scrolls was mentioned upthread, and that's pretty damn famous at this point.
Thoughts?

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>>97817043
>"I am a normie who only follows mainstream media!"
>"Why is nothing in this niche hobby as famous as my mainstream normie media?!?"

You have alot of experience with neurodivergence, don't you? Again, stop trying to speak for everyone else when you're the retard in the room.

>>97817025
And none of them are undead, they're just mages, in other words regular elves. But you looked at their uniforms and thought they were undead. LMAO, and who's the tourist here? GTFO.

>>97817070
Games? Yes. Undead from these games? Not really, I would say the most forgettable element of the setting.

>>97817079
Vampires aren't undead in a bunch of franchises either. We should rent you out of a farm though, you could plow fields the way you move a goal post.

>>97817093
Name these "bunch of franchises", I'm waiting.

>>97817091
Why would you single out undead, when vampires and necromancers are also a part of the topic?
It couldn't be because you know that necromancers and vampires have been huge parts of not only side stories and faction stories, but even some main stories of the Elder Scrolls series, could it?

>>97817136
Don't bother. OP is in full ego-protection mode after basically everyone else in the thread pointed out how much of a retard he was being. He probably doesn't even realize that this is an anonymous board where nobody is keeping track of his e-peen points.

>>97817136
Oh yeah, when people talk about Elder Scrolls they immediately think of the undead, not something else that is much more original and interesting. What's wrong with you? Don't answer, I know you're one of those who believe that 1% of exceptions can invalidate 99% of the rules just because you feel like it.

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>>97817179
I immediately think of Todd Howard and I'm pretty sure he's some kind of vampire or undead sorcerer.

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>>97817179
>>97817179

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>>97817179
Dro-m'Athra Lich Arum-Khal

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>>97817179
Durnehviir

>>97817191
>>97817208
>literally who
And that was supposed to prove you were right? I'm not impressed.

>>97817217
>>97817219
See>>97817222

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>>97817179
Vastarie

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>>97817179
N'Gasta

>>97817222
>Literally who
Yes, we know you are a tourist who knows nothing about about anything you're talking about beyond the box-art. You've already proved this a dozen times, you don't need to keep reminding us.

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>>97817179
Gedna Relvel, the Crimson Witch

>>97817222
Refusing to acknowledge proof that you're wrong doesn't make you right. It just makes you an imbecile.

And that isn't getting into the Great Houses of Morrowind (ESPECIALLY House Hlaalu), almost all of which were rooted in necromancy, the Dunmer ancestral tombs, which utilize necromancy to protect the bodies and valuables of the entombed, Dagoth Ur who created his own variant of undead through Corprus, fucking Alduin, who raised DRAGON CORPSES as the main fucking plot of Skyrim.

Oh, but no, every necromancer is a human with practically no exceptions teehee.

Fucking faggot.

>>97817250
I won't even mention that no one remembers them even among TES community, it's obvious that you're an autist who's obsessed with them and can't understand that their existence in a forgotten corner doesn't change anything. I know better not to argue with autist, facts just slide off your smooth brain.

>>97817289
Trust me kid, the "TES community" would be ripping you a new asshole harder than everyone in this thread is. You're not in middle school here, the """arguments""" that work in your lunchroom don't work here.

>>97817289
If you've ever played an Elder Scrolls game, chances are you have run into a side or main plot involving non-human (Breton/Imperial/Nord/Redguard) necromancers and/or vampires.
There's pretty much no avoiding it.

>>97817276
So we're going to throw away all tabletop settings and choose your favorite VIDEO GAME(!) as the reference point? How about you going to fuck off to /v/.

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>>97817316
>He thinks that anything that isn't D&Dogshit 5e can't possibly have anything to do with the fantasy genre.

>>97817314
Bretons (from the Ehlnofex beratu meaning "half") are a hybrid race of both human and elven ancestry that primarily inhabit their ancestral homeland of High Rock, and the Systres Archipelago.
>Nords, also known as Northmen,[1][2] Bron in the Language of Dragons,[3]:1096 or the Children of the Sky,[4] are a race of tall and fair-haired humans from Skyrim who are known for their incredible resistance to cold and magical frost.
>Redguards are a human race that primarily inhabits the province of Hammerfell, but have roots that can be traced back to the continent of Yokuda.
>Imperials, also known as Cyrodilics[1] or Cyrodiils,[2] are a race of men from Cyrodiil, the province in the center of Tamriel.
>non-human
Ok retard. Case clossed.

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>>97817316
Bro, you've never played an Elder Scrolls campaign at the table? I feel sorry for you.

Then again, you have to actually play games to have a campaign. And to do THAT you need friends, or at least people who will tolerate you presence. Don't give up though, OP, medical science might find a cure for faggotry one day!

>>97816903
>Lich King
>The soul of an orc necromancer/warlock bound to a suit of armor
>In that same series, the first "Death Knights" were orc souls placed inside dead human knights. Later, we saw Deathbringer Saurfang, an undead orc, undead dragons, and even undead murlocs
(You)

>>97817331
Chronicles of Darkness isn't D&D, Shadowrun isn't D&D, WoW isn't D&D, Middle-earth isn't D&D, a lot of other things aren't D&D, but you ignore everything that isn't TES. Just go fuck yourself.

>>97817359
>The soul of an orc necromancer/warlock bound to a suit of armor
>Lich King
O my fucking god. Why are you talking out of your ass?
https://youtu.be/qAIrj_Vqdfc

>>97817345
You don't know how to read.

>>97817377
NER'ZHUL
THE SPIRIT BOUND INTO THE ARMOR WHO SPECIFICALLY GOT ARTHAS THE HUMAN SPERG TO COME TO NORTHREND AND PUT HIM ON which is mega gay

>>97817357
>rrrreeee, you should play my video game setting or else
Tesfags are second most insufferable shitheads. The first are still dndfags, but you're close to them.

>>97817405
So again, we can't have a memorable undead character without human.

>>97817414
you've yet to post a single example of a memorable human necromancer

>>97817418
Nagash wasn't human? What a twist, does GW know about it?

>>97816513
Who are you talking to?

>>97817435
Nagash is irrelevant, no one knows about him

>>97817447
The goalposts... They're coming alive and moving on their own!

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It's true that being human-based makes undead more compelling.

>>97817510
But as was previously proven, necromancy and vampirism aren't uniquely human to any degree.

>>97817447
You want play this game? Okey, Ainz Ooal Gown.

>>97817524
>animeslop

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>>97817314
>>97817345
>today I will remind them
half races do not exist in the Elder Scrolls, the offspring is always the mother's race

>>97817535
I didn't say anything about half races.

>>97817520
As was pointed out here>>97816702 only human are interested in necromancy seriously. For other races necromancers are freaks and exceptions, not the rule. So the maximum what you have is an elf who goes through the necromancy phase as a teenager.

>>97817544
If you seriously believe this, you're a fucking retard who can't read.

>>97817531
Oi, your slop should count, but not mine? Classic, I didn't expect anything else.

>>97817535
>The Exception (Bretons): Bretons are the primary exception, being the result of centuries of interbreeding between Aldmer (elves) and Nedic humans, though they are considered more human than elven today.
Ok tourist.

>>97817553
>your slop should count
It didn't.
>not mine
Only if you accept mine.

>>97816567
Have you tried not being a bigger retarded nogames than OP? Non human undead always existed in D&D

I've sometimes wondered if the general absence of non-human fantasy skeletons or zombie models is an indication of a potential gap in the market or that they just don't sell.

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>>97816932
Dude that pic is from a game called minion masters I remember saving that ages ago, its not the usual suspect.
or at least not one of his coms

>>97817724
I don't think anyone has to try to be less retarded than (you), OP.

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>>97816513
>When was the last time you saw non-human necromancer, lich or vampire?
Dwarves have Ancestor Spirits
...Don't tell them that summoning the ghost of their great-great grandpappy is necromancy, they get short tempered about it

>>97818289
The fact you seem to think I am OP shows you are trying very hard at it.

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>>97816598
are you retarded? Without bothering to look it up:

Baenlorn
Dracolich
Banshee
The Golgari Swarm (undead elves and medusae)
Alhoons

You're just poorly read

>>97816513
>When was the last time you saw non-human necromancer, lich or vampire?
Warhammer Fantasy, where dark elves used necromancy to keep the souls of dead slaves working, simply out of spite.

>>97818430
He probably means settings that didn't flop so hard they got taken out back and shot.

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>>97818436
Yeah, Warhammer Fantasy, which still exists unlike AoS who's about to watch the Old Yeller movie.
Oh, also Eldar in 40k put the philacteries of their dead people into mechas so that kinda counts.

>>97816513
Traditional games?

>>97818425
And none of the above is relevant. Thanks for proving my point yet again.

>>97816759
>>97817276
Uh also Mannimarco, the main necromancer/lich of the whole franchise, is a high elf.

>>97817316
Erandis Vol in Eberron is a half-dragon half-elf lich and the most powerful necromancer in the setting. Also the biggest elven nation is built around the use of positive-energy based necromancy.

>>97816513
Eres hispanohablante

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>>97816598
>just try to find a non-human undead

>>97820029
>angloparlante

>>97817510
>puckee spamming his commission again
https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/r9msyt/art_commission_larry_the_lich_art/
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/image/0uAsjic8baHEf61Jm2Wu6Q/
>97 times since December 2021

>>97816513
>but even he understood that he was worthless and therefore got himself a human body to finally become a full-fledged lich.
How did he manage that?

>>97816513
>When was the last time you saw non-human necromancer, lich or vampire?
A lot. At least 50% of the time, if I were to hazard a guess.

>>97816598
Anon, millions of normies know what a White Walker is because GoT went mainstream. Those same normies probably have never heard the word "lich" their lives, unless their kids watched Adventure Time or something (another example of non-human undead).

>>97816759
>Elder scrolls has plenty of dunmer necromancers.
They'd stab you for calling them that. Dunmer are hardcore anti-necromancy except in very strict circumstances. In their view most necromancy is slavery of the dead, which is absolutely unacceptable.

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>>97816513
I feel like elf undead are exceptionally common in fantasy settings. especially in the kitchen sink of genre tropes that form the backdrop for most tabletop games.

>>97817316
Nigga, which famous necromancers/undead does tabletop have aside from fucking Vecna and Strahd? Tabletop is too niche of a medium for this thread and necromancers/vampires in every other medium blow this shit out of the water if you rate by relevance.

>>97826427
>Those same normies probably have never heard the word "lich" their lives
Fuck off you megaretard.
https://youtu.be/XOvWY1jxS-c

>>97818333
Nobody "thinks" this, OP. We KNOW.

Thread necromancy engage.

>>97828148
The very next thing I say after what you just quoted is "unless their kids watched Adventure Time or something". How are you going to miss that and call somebody else a retard?

>>97818594
You're a retarded faggot. All are from THE biggest D&D setting and one is from THE biggest card game. Unironically kill yourself you sad virgin.

>>97816513
this wow artstyle is fucking ugly, the pauldrons always look so stupid in particular. will never be able to take anything depicted this way seriously

>>97830898
Yes. we know that you rather than reading the post you are buttblasted about you try tea bagging yourself.

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>>97816513
i don't think necromancy fits, that's just an inherently evil ability. and humans are not an inherently evil race.

>>97816513
Eye of the Beholder III had an Elf lich, IIRC.

>>97816513
Warhammer fantasy has the best take on necromancy as a "Human thing" because only human beings have the right combination of short lifespan, and relative magical aptitude, to make it seem like a good use of your time.
Elves look at necromancy and go "I'm good": they don't wanna get a permanent case of shit-face from freebasing congealed Dhar scraped off the floor of an Altdorf toilet stall.

>>97816903
Literally the only nonhuman necromancer I can think of is Sauron

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Why would an elf need to expand their life by becoming a lich?

>>97840110
why wouldn't all humans become liches?

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>>97816513
Besides undead birds as spies, and undead horses and oxen as tireless beasts of burden, what undead animals would be most useful to a necromancer? I can see undead monkeys as assistants for instance.

>>97842312
Undead dogs for hunting/guarding, undead cats for stealth and infiltration. Undead insects as swarm threats

>>97840239
Because it's difficult, grotesque, morally dubious, and has a questionably satisfactory end result.

>>97820261
Sir that's a fertility goddess

>>97843714
but it is humanities special power so every human should do it

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OP got blasted out of his mental high so fucking quickly. Everything from LotR, WHF, DnD, MtG, and even the elder scrolls had examples so he had to pivot to "not memorable doesn't count". Nigger couldn't walk 50 ft out of Seyda Neen to see the dinner tombs, couldn't see the giant undead frog fucking up rats and chaos in the old world, and had to resort to human-only literature (Bram Stroker's Dracula does kick ass though, great book) as his example.
Damn, great thread boys, you fuckin gottem. Now that he's just repeating himself I'd recommend sah-gay. No reason to let this linger on the catalog, no one screencaps anymore

>>97843529
>Undead insects as swarm threats
How would you even 'get' that many insects to raise?

>>97852003
Insects tend to swarm when they're alive too

I mean, in my setting where every race was brought in by the gods or branched off from one that was, the god of necromancy picked humans because they do so much with their short lifespans

But have you never seen dwarven ancestor worship, or elves who decided their long lifespan wasn't enough, or orc priests using both sides' fallen for another wave?

>>97843529
>undead cats for stealth and infiltration.
Why not rats?

>>97816598
>tfw rolling with giant beaver skeletons

>>97840110
It's not the expanding their lifespan part they care about, it's the ability to come back if they ever get killed, plus the massively enhanced magical powers.

>>97855553
They can be plague carriers, or designed to poison crops and food storage.

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>>97816513
At the very least there should be more goblins and shit being turned into undead minions, to say nothing of more intelligent undead like vampires. After all, given how goblins are usually depicted as fast-breeding there should be more chances for them to be turned by accident if that’s possible (after all, why wouldn’t a vampire take advantage of their convenience as good sources), and by turning their bodies into undead a necromancer can reuse their minions after death.

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>>97816513

>>97852003
Breed 'em in a big container, like they do for pet food.

>>97856314
Giant beaver skeletons are based!

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>>97816513
>something
>Necromancy right here. When was the last time you saw non-human necromancer, lich or vampire?
40k is one of the most popular/tg/ franchises that exists and the space elves have necromancy as one of their foundational faction elements alongside mobile glass cannons and dice manipulation
for other examples there's also drow as common evil clerics/necromancers, world of warcraft's vampire elves and dreadlords and ayylmao necromancers and 90% of Horde Death Knights being Blood Elves, the entire color Black in Magic the Gathering with demons and phyrexians and shit doing necromancy and black magic, the entire plane of Shadowmoor which literally doesn't even have humans on it but reanimation/persist is one of its core mechanics, every single Dracolich ever created ever in any setting, the vampyres in fucking RuneScape of all things, the Deathless in Eberron, several dozen Final Fantasy villains, Orcus the fucking demon prince of undeath who invented lichdom

If you want a "humans ONLY" circlejerk specialest boy aesthetic Paladin is way more justifiable than necromancy or vampires, since old school D&D had race restrictions on the class and in many settings elves are nature worshippers or have elemental spirits or reincarnation or hippie shit instead of active interventionist gods working on their behalf, even in LOTR elves aren't as favored as Men by not-YHWH despite their short lifespans because it's basically the same dynamic as the Abrahamic god favoring humans over angels despite their immortal perfection (in Islam they even think Iblis was cast down by God for refusing to kneel before Adam, thinking humans were weak and inferior and unworthy of it)

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>>97816513
Even to half-elves, undeath isn't very attractive, too long-lived.

>>97816759
NOooOO necromancy is le forbidden it doesn't count when we do it

>>97875604
>puckee spamming his commission again
https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1aewxu2/art_comm_remy_avinvale_halfelf_ranger_by_dennis/
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/image/vq9S5hcS2M3CN1u__iPslg/
>38 times since January 2024

>>97858527
NTA, but wouldn't rats work better there?

>>97874337
>they're not as favoured by god
>immortal
>live in paradise
>able to respawn when killed
yeah he really didn't favour them kek

>>97816811
Why would an...elf want to become a vampire? Elves live long enough that they're essentially immortal. Elves also have lots of "superhuman" traits and abilities without the downsides of being a vampire. Being a vampire is a sidegrade at best, and probably the Elven version of emo kids.

>>97816811

gb2>>/v/

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>>97883156
>Why would an...elf want to become a vampire?
Not all vampires are willing.

>>97816792
came here to post Mannimarco

>>97884186
What's his story again?

>>97884163
True. Especially if vampirism is more infectious.

>>97865304
What's the best way to kill and preserve them then?

>>97843808
Wait, really? How does that work, lol?