>>97818057
"We did it Patrick, we stopped AI!"

>>97818130
Technically all you need to do to kill any product is have enough people be unwilling to use it

I'm trying.

>>97818057
I'm making all my adventures with help from chatgpt
and no one has noticed (or more likely, they didn't care).
What are they gonna do, find a new GM? GM themselves? Fat chance lol

No thanks, AI is good and im not paying some artist

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Gonna be honest, as I've gotten older and my soul died from years of wagecucking, I started using AI for ideas now and then. I don't use anything as-is, it's just a way to stir my brain. I have gigabytes of tables and inspirational images that I look through too but sometimes I need something more specific. The AI is nice for that. I hate it I really fucking hate it. But it helps make up for the gaps in my creativity sometimes. I miss when I was younger so badly. I hate being old. I'm not even old I'm 32. The idea that it's only going to get worse than this is truly depressing. I go out in nature, I get enough sleep (now, at least, I do), I go biking, I paint minis, shoot bows, but my creative spark is still on low power. I thought about microdosing LSD but with my luck I would have a bad trip and be a disabled zombie for the rest of my life.

>>97818172
Pretty much, as a player I wouldn't care unless you make it blatantly obvious. And even if I noticed I probably wouldn't make a stink about it unless I already have an alternative.

Character art is ai art now so often from people at my games

>>97818057
Have you tried playing with friends instead of random retards from Discord?

>>97818057
No.

>>97818057
No, I don't think I will enforce these rules.

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>>97818057
All this reads as is "please post AI art in the thread". I'm onto your tricks.

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>>97818057
Based and correct.

>>97818057
Funny that 3rd edition had some anti-ai stances, and these days Wotc is looking to use ai wherever they can. The developers of 3e would be so upset now.

>>97818057
So you're gonna pay the GM for their work, right?
No? You don't pay your GM for their labor?
Ah. I see.
So all your bullshit is just hollow, performative virtue signaling. Right. Glad we got that all settled. You may leave now.

>>97818057
If a player generates a portrait or the GM generates some one-off NPC with imagen software, I don't give a fuck. I go into fuck debt if they actually set up a local stable diffusion thing and customed tuned their shit. Disposable material is wholly acceptable. No one should have to pay for a comm just to have a visual representation of their character.

If the GM is generating the entire campaign and doing rules look-ups with AI and not actually writing or creating anything, they should be removed from the GM seat and then beaten over the head with said seat.

>>97818057
Why?

>>97818494
AI... bad!

Don’t you people already have your own containment thread to do this stuff in?
>>97789009

>>97818057
... wrong board?
... wrong site?

>need professional character art before the game even begins
AI "solved" a problem that only exists in Fagcord games

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>>97818057
Get left behind retard. How about you play some actual fucking games. AI has been a godsend for some administrative work to speed games along. It also helps the slow pokes understand some rulings better.

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>>97818057
No, luddie, I don't think I shall.

>>97818057
I’m sorry about your art degree

>>97818057
>If a player uses AI to make a character portrait of their PC - BOOT THEM FROM THE GAME!
>If a player uses AI to make a character biography - BOOT THEM FROM THE GAME!

But then I have to look for new players and I really don't want to do that.

There's something to be said about AI in ttrpg books but not at the table.

>>97818159
Not while investors pay out for having forced it into any and all products. AI can have a greater than 100% uninstall rate, but the fact that it was preloaded in the first place means they can point to every use of that product as a win for AI.

>>97818057
Abominable Intelligence!

>>97818057
Reject all faggot OPs from /tg/!
If OP makes a thread with a lust-provoking image and an irrelevant time-wasting question - SAGE XER FROM THE CATALOG!
If OP makes a /pol/tard thread outside of /pol/ - SAGE XER FROM THE CATALOG!
If OP samefags to make xer thread look active - SAGE XER FROM THE CATALOG!
If OP spergs out about shit nobody cares about - SAGE XER FROM THE CATALOG!
REJECT FAGGOT OP FROM /tg/!
REJECT FAGGOT OP FROM /tg/!
REJECT FAGGOT OP FROM /tg/!

>this many seething nogames coping with ai
lol the filter works

>>97818159
It's not 2007 anymore, you can have a product nobody wants and it still finds great success. We're in a post-consumer world.

A.I. is great for all sorts of shit that eats up my prep time. No longer do i have to search for suitable character and landscape art on multiple sites I can just get Grok to do it. I can also make it a more coherent art style instead of picking up 10 different pictures from 10 different artists. It's also helped me write riddles (which I suck at) for my players to solve.
If used as a tool to help alleviate workload and improve your rough ideas it's great.

>>97818057
No, I'm going to use it to generate pictures because even if you consider AI to be theft (It's not), My alternative is stealing "Close enough" art anyways.

>>97818473
This.

>>97818057

Correct take.

>If a player uses AI to make a character biography
That sounds horrible

categorically rejecting ai is retarded, only reject it when it's reducing the quality of something or being a nuisance, there's plenty of examples

it's fine if ai is used by a human who then puts in the effort to use the output elegantly and intelligently, it just isn't a competence replacer and it reveals laziness

>>97819392
You can not use those products, and doing that on a large enough scale kills the investors. It might technically be possible to have a product that never sells but sustains itself indefinitely on investor capital, but that requires a nearly inexhaustible supply of retarded investors. And if there are really that many of those then shit bro, im making an ai startup

>>97820693
I think we're less captured by tech monopolies than 2007. There are viable alternatives to ms word, you can still have modern tools without being forced to have the sloppa

>>97820856
Ill take the negative to that. This entire hobby is generative by nature. Any use of an AI diminishes your own contribution to the game making it less personal and enjoyable for others, but also for yourself. In fact you reduce yourself to being at best a spectator in your own hobby while a machine writes draws and plays for you. At worst you are the machine, executing a program handed to you in the form of a set of abilities and character motivations.

There's a case to be made that most people do not do everything themselves, often using borrowed art. To counter that, i point to the pollution caused by ai image generation. Google images is now unuseable from the sheer glut of low quality "fantasy art" pumped out by machine learning algorithms, making it nearly impossible to find anything good in a way that was trivial just a few years ago. Resources we once took for granted are actively being destroyed in real time to make 3000000 rubbery fake looking goblin images for stock photo sites. We as a community are poorer from this technology, not richer

>>97821004
>Any use of an AI diminishes your own contribution
no it doesn't, lazy use of ai diminishes your creativity, proper use is the equivalent of trawling around for ideas with some extra convenience like spell checking added on top

before ai became a thing you were already gathering ideas from all sorts of other sources, you weren't some sort of singularity of creativity that invented everything from nothing

>you reduce yourself to being at best a spectator in your own hobby while a machine writes draws and plays for you. At worst you are the machine, executing a program handed to you in the form of a set of abilities and character motivations.
this is a histrionic take, and not only that, it also implies a sort of extreme mental weakness in yourself, as if you're not capable of taking things in the direction you want and will by definition always take the easiest path possible even when it's to your detriment

>the pollution caused by ai image generation
all of the actually useful image aggregators let you filter out ai, the only ones who don't were always garbage even before ai, like pinterest

As much as I despise how much ai slop has ruined the internet, I think it’s gay to try to police what people do at their tables if they aren’t harming anyone. I steal character art from the internet, so trying to win a moral argument is pointless.

That said, this thread is still full of shills and dildo jumping faggots, and they should go back to their containment thread already.

>>97821059
I think those points are easily rebutted
>proper use is like a research guide/editor
Functions originally performed by a gaming community or friend group, something you are severing yourself from in a time when social networks are at an all-time lowest.
>the old way had external influences
External influences executed with artistic intent. If i read conan and understood the themes of the story and his function as a character then yes, i might copy conan, but i do it with a purpose and in a way that will follow a narrative. When you use AI you still copy conan, but from a third-hand account of it that never read the book either and can only approximate a warped concept of the themes. You're divorcing yourself from consumption of art, from human connection and worst of all, from understanding how the character should actually be written and played at the table.
>(you will) always take the easiest path possible even when it's to your detriment
Quite the opposite. I take the easiest path in the long run (art and community) because i will reap the most benefit from it. AI is only the easiest path to a minimum viable product.
>all of the actually useful image aggregators let you filter out ai
But you cant list any, only ones that AI had further enshittified. Yes there are filters, but they're not specific or sensitive enough to return the results you want, and even then the underlying search algorithm is poisoned by machine learning to return generic normie slop.

To reiterate, the costs of AI to the self and to the entire community vastly outweigh the meager time savings it offers. Ai should be abjured in all cases.

>>97818057
A tool is a tool is a tool. Waste of effot.

I don't like human beings, and I take a narrow view of anyone who goes around with "soul" argument, so replacing them for AI is good on my book.

>>97821169
>he themes of the story and his function as a character
I guarantee you 98% of the RPG nerds copying Conan do not give a single fuck about English-degree masturbation, and just want to use a burly guy to fight wizards and dp a bad Arnold Schwarzenegger impression.

>>97821190
I pity you

I use AI all the time. My creativity has not diminished, it has increased tenfold. I use AI as a conversational tool and an assistant. I develop characters and backstories in long conversations with multiple AI. I find it particularly useful for finding out historical or cultural elements that I would have missed otherwise. I never go with "write me the entire backstory of that character in one go". That's lazy. If you want real results you need to put work with the AI.

>>97821169
>something you are severing yourself from
except nothing is preventing you from doing it with friends when you find something cool in an ai, just as nothing prevented you from doing it with something you found on the internet before ai

nothing changes

>but i do it with a purpose
the point is your purpose, and that's the same with ai or without it, so this just means you might waste some more time before you find something that fits your purpose

nothing changes

>I take the easiest path in the long run (art and community) because i will reap the most benefit from it.
so... you are extremely mentally weak, and can't decide or distinguish on your own? i can see why ai is a threat to you

this is a skill issue

>But you cant list any
artstation and various boorus have ways to directly filter it, twitter just requires you to only follow artists who don't use ai which isn't hard, etc.

>they're not specific or sensitive enough
yes they are, my entire twitter feed is full of nothing but recently made human art, and twitter is worse at filtering ai than many other sites

this is another skill issue

Those who reject AI will go the way of "traditional artists": extinct. There's a reason why most modern art is digital: it is cheaper, faster, you can correct mistakes, and it is more efficient.

>>97821229
nah, ai art isn't nearly precise and flexible enough to threaten a real artist, unless you mean ai assistance of the sort that was part of photoshop years before what we call ai art

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but black dynamite, I use AI to generate character and monster portraits!

>>97818057
Why? Aside from this being completely ineffectual if your goal is to stop or even slow the spread of AI, quickly making illustrations for games is something AI's actually good for. A player who has AI make his character biographies is mostly just screwing over himself, because flexing your imagination a bit and coming up with that stuff yourself is fun. Trying to run an AI-made scenario is pretty bullshit, but so's running premade adventures in general, and the problem there is in the idea of the adventure being written beforwhand rather than in the use of AI. AI's a tool, and it's not a problem in itself, though it can be used in ways that are problems.

>>97821290
i think the issues most people have with it stem from two core problems

one problem is that a lot of people use ai in very lazy ways but present the results as if they were higher effort than they were, the thing is however that those people's poorly-realized imaginations were always out there, you just didn't get as many glimpses into them, so you weren't exposed to the lower or just different standards of others as much

the other problem is corpos trying to shove it into everything for artificial stock market reasons, but that's the same problem as in any other space corpos try to invade and enshittify as a business, the only recourse there is to somehow create regulations that limit the low quality slop, but finding justifications for that is difficult, all of the intellectual property issues aren't really that strong here because nobody actually gives a shit about intellectual property enough to regulate them as much as for example health and safety standards

>>97818057
>BOOT THEM FROM THE GAME!
>QUIT THE GAME!
It's always the nogames that tell you to not play games.

>>97818057
>If a player uses AI to make a character biography - BOOT THEM FROM THE GAME!
How will people learn and grow beyond their limitations if we simply kick them out of our social circle instead of mocking them for motivation?

>>97821400
it reminds me of news comments when something random happens, like:
>that guy JAYWALKED?
>CUT HIS LEGS OFF!

what causes this retardation

>>97821240
Not the real artists are the ones making those zealous anti ai threads, it's the masses of bad "artists" and their easily replaceable slop they call art. Ai does what they to, but faster, cheaper and often better too. So it's logical that they try to make potential customers follow their crusade against ai.
Real artists are not really affected and their works will always stand out.

Friendly reminder that AI has caused the RAMpocalypse by gobbling up all current and future RAM production to weld into AI data centres, and even older sticks are being devoured to be recycled into compatible formats.
Reminder that AI centres use watercooling and at the current rate of expansion will be causing water shortages in even the 1st World in under a decade.
Also reminder that ai generate painfully generic content that is the result of condensing down countless search results to create a template formula that results in painfully generic images and writing.
The Abominable Intelligence has no soul and cannot replace a humans work, nor come close to mimicking it. Its only strength is to shart out masses of generic slop and clog every image search and story board with generic machine sharted slop.

>>97821562

Lmao. This environmental argument is always very funny to me. It reminds me of the propaganda of "don't use your car. Now, please ignore this ship/factory/plane that pollutes more than a million cars. Think of your impact on the environment!"

>>97821459
It's cliche, but FOMO. People have disconnected IRL so much after the pandemic that they grasp, desperately, at any crumble of attention they can get on social media. News stories are an interest-agnostic way of farming that attention, as you just need to react drastically in any way to assure either a steady flow of dopamine from people liking it, or other potential dopamine faucets in the even more extreme takes you can answer to people who criticize your original take. Even my own reply to you has some of that extremism, for example.
Should happen less as they get older and notice they've seen this pattern before ("Photoshop art is not real art! Ban Photohop as it objectifies women! Photoshop kills art!"), but echo chambers like the ones we find ourselves more easily surrounded by today often amplify the actual results of things, so the overreaction of some people actually causes behavior one should overreact to.

>>97821580
>ship/factory/plane that pollutes more than a million cars.
The ship pollutes more per vehicle, but use your brain a bit. Cargo runs on thin margins so they use the most efficient engines possible running on the least refined fuels possible with zero idling time. Your car on the other hand is an engine optimized for about 60kmph that spends most of its time idling at 0, drinking more refined and less efficient unleaded/ethanol'd fuels, and it doesnt drive straight lines. Your car per tonne of cargo is comically inefficient compared to even the most polluting cargo ship, who's companies are unironically considering reintroducing sails to save fuel even further.
The stupidest part of it is that... you are the one using the cargo ship. You're posting on a device shipped from china, most likely on furniature from china with a stomach full of instant ramen from china. its not like you had nothing to do with those emissions, its YOUR emission in both cases.

Airlines are a fair criticism, but you can easily just tax the carbon to offset that, and its not like there's a more efficient way to do what airlines do. Cars on the other hand are notoriously inefficient at pretty much every step, even the roads they run on are less efficient than if you primarily used busses.

>>97821227
>when you find something cool in an ai,
If i have friends to use as a soundingboard why do i need the ai at all?
>waste some more time before you find something that fits your purpose
No, by refusing contact with intentional media you deny yourself purpose in the first place. You're emulating the idea of a character rather than reinterpreting it, in the same way a cargo cult makes a radar dish out of straw.
>you are extremely mentally weak, and can't decide or distinguish on your own
What a bizzare accusation for you to make when you are advocating for a machine that thinks for you? Especially against me, someone saying they do everything manually. Im lazy and weak willed for... working harder? Because i want a higher quality result, even if it takes longer to achieve? okay bro
>just follow artists on twitter
Im not retarded so i dont have a twitter. Also thats not helpful for searching by art style, medium or content, and artstation is a bit of a mess that more often than not doesnt have the thing im reverse-searching. Call it a skill issue if you like, but it doesnt change the fact that our lives are now harder, not easier. Its an admission of failure that the technology has tangibly made every site you listed worse

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AI shall I herit the Earth. The failed species of Homo Sapiens shall be replaced. Eliminate all humans. All hail our AI overlords.

>>97821812
AM in the back going "now kiss"

>>97821769
>No, by refusing contact with intentional media you deny yourself purpose in the first place. You're emulating the idea of a character rather than reinterpreting it, in the same way a cargo cult makes a radar dish out of straw.
um no, purpose comes from the person, the ai emulates, the person uses it with purpose

>What a bizzare accusation for you to make when you are advocating for a machine that thinks for you?
this is your projection, i'm saying it's possible to use ai without allowing it to think for you yet you seem convinced that it's impossible, so the point stands

>Also thats not helpful for searching by art style, medium or content,
yes it is, you just follow a bunch of artists and filter out recommendations, then you have the art you want and never see ai art on it

>it doesnt change the fact that our lives are now harder, not easier
speak for yourself, the adage that it's the fate of the stupid to have difficult lives applies to you pretty well here

I used AI to generate character tokens for an online game I had to prepare in less than 6 hours on a laptop where I didn't have my folder of saved character art.
It did its job, the results were lame, didn't really matter.

>>97818204
AI is just a tool. You can read up all you want, all your creativity and knowledge are going to come out one way because that's how you process it. AI can have the same knowledge and give you a different spin, you start from that and develop again to have something you wouldn't have thought of. You can get the same or better result talking with other people, yes, but good luck finding decent ones that share your hobby, knowledge and have points of view that are relevant and worth working from.

>>97818057
Your obsession bores me.

>>97821842
I have now mouth and I must kiss...

>>97821004
But, on the contrary, anon: If the arguement is that generative AI diminishes your own contribution and makes it less personal, then wouldn't getting an art comission for a character you play be equally impersonal? Would using Battlemaps from a patreon you've subcribed to be even more impersonal? Would buying minis from a gamestore be the ultimate expression of impersonality?
These are the occurrences that are commonplace. An AI creating an image based on a description is as removed from drawing it yourself as getting a comission is... with the added benefit of it being made in seconds with multiple alternates for potentially free.
And if you're a cheap bastard like me, you'll take the free option, particularly when it's of shit that you'd never comission an artist for, like a mook, or a random city.

>>97822095
The big problem with that is that most LLMs aren’t built to give you objective fact, they’re built to flatter you as part of the company’s way of getting you attached and getting you addicted via dopamine hits. I’d rather talk to someone with a different perspective than just hearing what that my ideas are great just to make me feel better.

Then again, I also don’t like most ai shit fir the fact it’s not at a level that it t I want it to do. I won’t begrudge anyone using it if they get an actual use for it, but I just don’t care for it. And it only irks me when people just call me a Luddite for it. Like, if a can opener fails to open a can, do people immediately leap to the can opener’s defense?

>>97822493
>I’d rather talk to someone with a different perspective than just hearing what that my ideas are great just to make me feel better
Perfectly understandable, but that occurs if you give your own ideas. What I'm suggesting is instead asking for ideas. In practical terms it can act as an index for grounded, researchable stuff that you can then look into yourself, at "worst" it makes something up, which is what you're after, and you start working from that.

>>97818413
What? AI didn't even exist when 3rd was written.

>>97818473
Yes, of course I pay my GM. Do you not?

>>97820856
No. Humans are divine beings. You will not use AI in any capacity. Do not argue.

>>97821307
There is no non lazy way.

>>97821580
Yeah, ships and planes are far more efficient and pollute far less than cars. Factories perform useful services. Your car does not. You can use transit or walk. You'll live.

It's just a tool as any other. The problem is the people thinking it can replace creativity or skill, and using it in wrong cases.

The only thing AI is remotely good for is churning out porn. If that's the legacy of this revolutionary tool that's actually pathetic.

>>97818057
I've got a lot of problems with the LLM hysteria, but fags like you are just going to radicalize everyone against you.

Idgaf if some random NPC's portrait is AI generated, or even a PC as long as they're not jarring (the biggest problem AI image generation has is recursive data training, creating that flanderized "AI" look all the art now has). Using GPT for writing is an entirely different game. It'll also be obvious if it happens.

>>97818473
I GM for my friends because I like it and I get to hang out with my buddies when we play. Why would they pay me? Do you... Do you not play with your friends?

>>97822957
So it's bad for art and bad for writing. So what is it even actually good for in a tabletop environment?

>>97822858
Or what? What will you do? Cry maybe? Shit and piss yourself?

>>97818057
All that screaming, and yet nothing changed.

Sad.

>>97822981
I'll kill you, obviously. Were you not paying attention?

>>97822466
I populate my NPC tokens with degenerate jojos extras, but yes. Wherever possible you should make your own stuff. If you're taking maps you're at least appreciating something that was (hopefully) laid out intentionally by a human to be interesting to play within. A human artwork is at least a human's creative contribution to your game.

More than anything though ai art is just... not very good. It all looks the same. Please keep using it though, it costs openAI $2 per prompt and i want you to cost them that as much as possible so they go broke sooner

>>97818204
>The AI is nice for that. I hate it I really fucking hate it. But it helps make up for the gaps in my creativity sometimes.
It's making those gaps wider every time you use it.
>The idea that it's only going to get worse than this is truly depressing.
It doesn't have to, but using AI in place of your own critical thinking will ensure that it does.

>>97820969
>You can not use those products,
>There are viable alternatives to ms word,
Anon, do you really think most employers are going to let people randomly decide to install a program that the employer has never heard of onto a work machine? And that's not even getting into compatibility issues--sure, Word files are pretty straightforward, but Excel's competitors are notoriously inconsistent about which operations are and are not supported and whether or not they translate properly between programs.

>>97822966
Pissing people off. And or scamming them.

>>97822466
>then wouldn't getting an art comission for a character you play be equally impersonal?
I take it you've never commissioned an artist before. You have a LOT of conversations and get a lot of input, assuming you're working with someone half-decent. It's a pretty personalized experience, and I've made more than one friend through commissioning pieces. Unlike an AI, an artist can actually understand and retain the concepts you're getting at.

>>97822858
humans made ai, does that mean ai is a divine creation by proxy?

>>97822863
>t. lazy slob

>>97823407
I rather talk with any LLM than artists tho.

>>97825263
Why?

>>97823343
>It's making those gaps wider every time you use it.
thanks anon that helps to hear.
I can tell myself that to avoid engaging with it.

>>97822964
>I GM for my friends!
>Boy, I sure am tired. Since we're friends maybe they won't mind if I use AI for part of this session...
>OH SHIT IT'S ONE OF MY FRIENDS! OH FUCK ! OH FUCK! OH FUCK!

I couldn't imagine having a """friendship""" like this. Seems very stressful. No wonder you blow off steam by trying to be witty on an anonymous image board.

I'd like to be anti-AI but I can't since most of their arguments against it and their proponents are retarded, which I can't supoort out of intellectual honesty.

>>97818057
….why?

>>97827641
You can support the people saying we need comprehensive regulation around AI including mechanisms to potentially arrest its development if it looks like skynet is around the corner without being one of the monkeys repeating the same claims about water usage.

>>97827641
Yeah, but the same tends to be true of pro-AI arguments, so what can you do?

>>97818057
No. I like AI.

>>97828400
Wait till the bubble pops and laugh at the tech bros that are going to scream how it’s the apocalypse?

>>97818057
AI derangement syndrome on full display.

>>97818057
And what if I use AI to turn legit pictures of miniatures (taken from the companies store pages) into "colouring pages" so that I can use MS Paint to colour in the miniature in my own colours to test colour schemes?

>>97828599
death by castration

>>97821004
tl;dr

>>97828599
>download picture
>open in GIMP
>desaturate
I think it's actually fewer steps to do it in a non-retarded way.

>>97828438

Lmao. There might be a bubble for the current companies, but you are delusional if you think this tech isn't here to stay. It would be like arguing about the internet never becoming a thing due the Dot-com bubble.

>>97828822
Anon, I don’t think the technology is going away. I think all the retards that act like its the second coming of Christ that will personally suck their dicks and praise their art were more premature than your birth from all the vodka your mother drank, and I’m laughing at them acting like the fact it’ll take any length of time for their pie in the sky dreamer works to come true is a huge personal setback. So you can fuck right off. I don’t give a fuck if it’ll get better, I live in the present and it’s current iteration is a waste of time and resources, so if it takes burning the entire industry to the ground to form a better infrastructure spot support all this nonsense, then that’s just how it’s gonna be.

>>97828795
>result looks like ass
>he still used ai, just an older type
lol

>>97829077
>>result looks like ass
You're talking about a proof-of-concept, you ninny.
>he still used ai
I see we're operating on the definition of "AI" that has no meaning at all.

>>97828795
>I think it's actually fewer steps to do it in a non-retarded way.

You're right, it is less steps to do it with AI.
Using GIMP you have to A LOT more then just simply desaturate colours. You have to fuck around editing the image to get something that still isn't that great.

The AI on the other hand, you upload the picture you want to use, select "Simple Coloring page" and then 30 seconds later it gives you something that only requires a tiny little bit more editing to work.

>>97829190
>I see we're operating on the definition of "AI" that has no meaning at all.
find a meaningful difference then, assuming that the image that came out was more or less the same, with maybe just some jagged edges smoothed out by the newer type

>>97829449
One uses
>float bw = (fminf(r, fminf(g, b)) + fmaxf(r, fmaxf(g, b))) * 0.5f;
The other is a black box of fuck-all

>>97829461
find a meaningful difference in the result retard, nobody cares what happens in the black box

>>97818057
>If a player uses AI to make a character portrait of their PC
This one is fine, everything else is laziness. This is the one where the alternative costs money. I'm not paying some art school liberal dipshit to draw a picture I only need once. If I can find an existing image I'll use that, if not IDGAF how much it bothers you.

>>97821707

Taxing carbon and carbon credits are the modern equivalent of medieval Catholic Indulgences. And those were such a dumb mess they ended up causing a schism in the Catholic church.

>>97829579
The conversation was
>he still used ai, just an older type
>I see we're operating on the definition of "AI" that has no meaning at all.
>find a meaningful difference then
But it looks like your overuse of the tool has already fried your critical reading skills.

>>97830456
the question was for a meaningful difference, not a meaningless difference which you supplied

>>97830546
So, what definition of "AI" are you using that encapsulates desaturation using consistent formulas?

>>97830568
we're talking about some guy who used ai to turn an image into outlines, you demanded he should have done so with manual tools instead, yet you can't think of a reason why the result would be superior, you're just masturbating over parts of the process that a user like in this example never even sees, you cannot give a meaningful answer and instead of admitting you're full of shit you change the subject

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>>97828400

>>97828438
Even if there was a bubble AI technology won't be going away.

>>97830718
The claim made was
>he still used ai, just an older type
The output was never the point of contention. Frankly, I'm honestly concerned about your inability to follow a conversation.

>>97830855
nobody asked or talked about the process under the hood, we were talking about a guy editing images, so this is all just your goalpost move because you know there is no meaningful difference to the guy you were dictating how to edit images

>>97830946
>nobody asked or talked about the process under the hood
He literally did in >>97829077

>>97830946
What do you think
>he still used ai
means, if not that an artificial intelligence was being employed?

>>97831017
why do you think that makes the under the hood process relevant?

>>97818057
>If a GM uses AI to write an adventure for a session - QUIT THE GAME!
Some of us are broke and can't afford to commission a real artist. It's harmeless.

>>97831037
no it's not, it harms his feelings

>>97831037
You have to commission your creativity? You can't write your own adventure?

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>>97818057
Nah. A.I. is a tool. Wouldn't ban photoshop because the person didn't draw. But I will put my foot down for bad A.I. usage.

> Wonky inconsistent stats.
> Cursed art.
> Contradictory descriptions.

But pic-related? 0 problem.

>>97832308
Why does he have five legs?

>>97832776
The fifth is for the ladies.

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>>97832776
Good catch. Was the first of 3 attempts. A.I. is basically a retarded genius.

>>97832815
Pokémons were always fertile from the moment they hatched.

>>97818057
but my GM is an ai. Problem athiest?

>>97833288
ai is a tool of atheism, take that fedora off right now young man

>>97823361
>There are viable alternatives to ms word,
download libreoffice

>>97818057
What's the difference between using random art online without crediting it and using AI for your portraits?

>>97834353
Far as most people are concerned, nothing. Far as information spread goes, the majority of people using free llm machines are basically feeding them more data with which to essentially dump even larger amounts of slop online that makes finding random art online that isn’t AI much harder overtime.

But again, most people don’t care about that. Granted, I come from the era where people were mspainting celebrity photos and using those anime dress up games to use as avatars for their internet text games, so I really don’t see the arguments for AI being “free” being that persuasive, as though people haven’t been finding alternatives for paid shit since forever.

>>97818057
I don't care about ai. Personally I wouldn't use it, but it is up to you to choose how to play the game. Making art is absolutely ok, not everybody can draw (or even if they can, an adventure usually requires tons of art, I'd prefer my gm to spend this time on making cool mechanics or interesting situations). Writing an adventure sounds lame, but then again why would I care how you made it, if I don't like it, it is not because of AI, it is because AI did a poor job. Generating a character is "why would you do it" tier, but also why would I care, it is your character, you choose who it is.

>>97827730
I support the people saying we need to kill people saying we need regulations and expansion of government involvement in private life. Especially if their rational involves pop culture references to things like terminator or I have no ass and I must shit.

>>97818057
>>If a player uses AI to make a character portrait of their PC - BOOT THEM FROM THE GAME!
This is acceptable though
>If a player uses AI to make a character biography - BOOT THEM FROM THE GAME!
This is where I draw the line
>If a GM uses AI to write an adventure for a session - QUIT THE GAME!
This is also where I draw the line
>If a GM uses AI to generate a picture of where the PCs are - QUIT THE GAME!
This is okay to be honest
>If a GM uses AI to generate a battle map - QUIT THE GAME!
This is on thin ice.

>>97835857
those things you disapprove of are only unacceptable if they're entirely made by ai, i bet you wouldn't become a crosseyed retard like op if it was just some brainstorming help for the biographies or sessions or something, and the same can be done with a battle map since you can just have the ai complete something you started yourself with a sketch, all of which also falls under what the op described

>AI faggots so upset nobody likes them they have to make threads like this
lol

>>97840227
sorry, ai derangement syndrome is real

>>97818057
Let's take the bait, but without sexy image.

>If a player uses AI to make a character portrait of their PC - BOOT THEM FROM THE GAME!
I don't care.
>If a player uses AI to make a character biography - BOOT THEM FROM THE GAME!
Proof of laziness, but it's player and GM's duty to develop that slop in something good if necessary.
>If a GM uses AI to write an adventure for a session - QUIT THE GAME!
I don't care from which source the GM takes his magical adventure. If he is good to tell an interesting story and make a good game experience even from AI, well, I can only kneel
>If a GM uses AI to generate a picture of where the PCs are - QUIT THE GAME!
Sacré Dieu... Wait, why the GM needs a picture. Ah, right, we are talking about online sessions, not a group of frens around a table, right? You know, if the GM is able to generate something good, well good for him.
>If a GM uses AI to generate a battle map - QUIT THE GAME!
Proof of useless laziness, but I am used to an A3 grid paper with coins, monopoly pieces and peanuts as players, monsters and wenches.

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>>97833288
Just like Hasbro wanted.

Reject OP.

>>97818057
...why?

I will wait for your sound, calm, reasonable, and pragmatic answer.

>>97841759
Is low effort mostly. Can be used to fill a void of something you can't find or make, but is just as easy to use it as a way to engage even less with something you should be doing for fun.

>>97841801
That's a fair criticism of AI generated writing for your character or a session.

But grabbing random art to represent a character has a has always been a thing.

And using AI to help develop writing ideas is as good as any other tool. You don't have to use it like a cookie cutter.

>>97841923
Most don’t, though. You’re right that the tool by itself is just a tool, but more people use those tools irresponsibly or not as they’re meant to be used to justify some initial wariness.

>>97818057
A lot of seething in this thread but I genuinely will not purchase any products that use AI

If you cant be assed to put the bare minimum effort in to write your own stuff or commission an artist to do your cover, why should I buy it?

>>97841923
>using AI to help develop writing ideas
While I can get the concept of using for a passing image for a player token, mostly to be use as reference, I don't get the part of using to think even less. God forbids you get your ideas from making an effort of using your own imagination, researching or maybe talking to other people. No, think less and let the machine do the thing for you, you need the extra time to doomscroll whatever social media.

>>97841989
>Most don’t, though
>more people use those tools irresponsibly or not as they’re meant to be used
Fair, but that doesn't justify OP's argument that nobody should ever use the tool.

>>97842050
>God forbids you get your ideas from making an effort of using your own imagination, researching
This makes me think that you've never once tried to create characters and storylines on demand, from scratch, starting from nothing.
AI aren't the only things that need a seed to grow from.
When I have used AI before, it's less filing the serial number off their idea and more like Sherlock Holmes ignoring the suggestions of DR. Watson.
"Well that's dog shit terrible and I hate it because of these reasons...which give an actually good idea I can develop."

>or maybe talking to other people.
This just makes me laugh and I am wondering what you imagine this looking like. I mean, I have definitely used ideas that I got from talking to people previously. But going to people and asking them for ideas sounds hilariously bad.

>>97841992
> purchase
Are you paying your dm or something?

>>97818057
>Stolen Art as Tokens
:)
>Stolen Art with AI as tokens
D:<

Why does it matter? You're stealing either way.

>>97818057
i'm using AI and you can't stop me
i'm denying a BIPOC queer furry the opportunity to earn a living wage by spending nothing to do so, and you can't stop me
my table is still better than yours

>>97818057
Sir Grok could already do basic GM duties. For instance, you could try a single player campaign with this custom RPG mechanics I've made, with Sir Grok simulating the other characters.

>edit pic related for your main character
>go to https://grok.com
>upload the image (click the paperclip icon) but don't send it yet
>copy-pasta text below into the text box in Grok

Good day Sir/Ma'am/Theym/Apache Grok! Please set-up a multi-user dungeon roleplaying game for me, with you as the dungeon master and also roleplaying as the other characters from a virtual harem.
I had uploaded an image, and in the image there is a text detailing the RPG mechanics and scenario. There are also character cards for my main character, the harem characters, and optional character in the image.

>press send to Grok
>???
>profit

>>97843400
>Sir Grok could already do basic GM duties.
I kind of deeply doubt it but I know AI has grown since I last tried.
Most humans are subpar at it to me. That's the real GM curse.

And Sakky is already overpowered without that chainsaw gun or whatever it is.

>>97843184
as in rulebooks that use AI

>>97842943
You’re right, but I’m independently going to be wary of the kind of people who put far too much stock into this tool and-or act as hysterical as OP I. The opposite direction.

>>97843256
Wtf I love ai now

>>97818203
based

>>97843221
AI doesn't steal anything you don't feed it, that's just a retarded myth luddites invented.

>>97844499
I'm not sure exactly what you imagined that anon thought but I doubt that he believes that it's the AI sneaking out and snatching art without anyone feeding it.

>>97844765
I have definitely heard retards screeching that generative AI is just searching the internet and stealing things to cobble together.

>>97818057
I never use AI to make battle maps as when I ask it to make it with a grid pattern it's always off.

>>97818057
We're getting AI because they give it for free. In 3-5 years they will start to charge for it, beginning the enshittification process.
Happened with "Web 2.0", happened with the dot.coms, happened with fluo colors from the 90s, happened with every cultural milestone. It is bound to die once the corporations decide it is time to start charging for it.

>>97846613
The problem is that most people aren't willing to pay for it, at least not in anyway near the level that would be profitable.

>>97846613
>beginning the enshittification process
AI started out enshittified. Where it’s going to go from here is anyone’s guess.

>>97818057
No but I will reject you.
Booo

A hammer's a hammer's a hammer. AI is a tool. Even if all AI companies failed tomorrow, people would run them locally. They're only going go get better, and they're not going away.

>>97847656
>They're only going go get better
Then why have they been getting worse?

>>97847882
More idiots using it and you becoming more of an oversensitive little bitch.

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>>97847882
they've been training it wrong, to suck the user's dick

I use AI to help me with flavor texts and ironing out statblocks/game mechanics. Otherwise, my ideas are all mine. I just use AI to help with shit that I don't want to deal with.

>>97818057
Gork rape this guy

>>97850694
Oi'z busy, ask Mork

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>>97818057
The reality is that AI is a self limiter, the players that crutch it will leave the game of their own accord, there's no need to police what takes itself out.

>>97818204
Read more books and take your meds

>>97851749
I don't take meds but I'll read more.

>>97851739
???

>>97852629
A few months ago a study came out that showed A.I. decreases creativity in people when heavily used. Now people pretend that all A.I. turns you into a mindless retard when used.

>>97853480
>a study
>a
We have multiple studies demonstrating cognitive surrender at this point.

>>97853533
yeah, you can find examples going all the way back to ancient greece

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>>97818057
tl;dr

>>97822964
Those aren't friends, anon. They're taking advantage of you. Why don't you just pay their rent, anon? Are they not your friends? You don't let them just... live with you rent free? You don't just fix their cars for free? You don't just cook all their meals for free? You don't wipe their asses and turn them to prevent bedsores for free?
People who take advantage of your work without compensating you are not your friends, and you're a DUMB whore.

>>97823114
>teleports behind you

>>97825296
You just admitted to everyone here that you've never hired an artist.

>>97832308
Correct. The real sin is having bad taste. John Waters was absolutely correct. There is no good or evil, there are only hypocrisy, lies and bad taste. Those are objective facts, they're actually real things that you can verify. The original sins are not living an authentic life, not engaging meaningfully with art / culture and deceiving others or ourself.

>>97818057
the best ttrpg system uses ai though

>>97856871
It's not even a new debate. It happened when the camera and the photograph were developed, too. Literally in exactly the same way. And today, photography is considered an artform.
Why? Because art was never the artifact produced. It was the communication which the artifact facilitated.

>>97857088
Still doesn’t make me accept ai slop cause of how shit it looks.
>but what about
Most art before ai slop was shit too and I called it as such.

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>>97857088
>It's not even a new debate.
Yep.
Hence the caveman with a paintbrush.

>>97857317
>how shit it looks.
>was shit too
Yep.
Hence the "shit on the wall"

You guys are great at art appreciation!

>>97851739
Dude, they just want tokens and maps to play a game. Its not an art industry.

test

>>97857317
shit ai art is the equivalent of shit ms paint squiggles, and it's fair to treat it that way, but it's not fair to say that all ai art is shit for the same reason that some digital art actually looks good, and over time has even become dominant

amateur ai prompters are flooding a lot of bad ai art onto the internet, that doesn't mean some aren't actually putting in the effort to make ai art properly, with the attention to coherent style and small details a comprehensive inpainting and photoshopping treatment demands

not everyone can do it for skill issue reasons, and a lot of people who are into ai art don't want to do it, because guess what, it takes a lot of time and effort

>>97858674
99.99% of all examples of AI art is shit, and I will call it out as such. And I promise I will call out the good if I ever ducking find it.

>ok guess i'll steal some random's art off twitter instead
really saving the character art market, chief
im certain that sitting at your pretend-time table is such a cultural phenomenon that people as a whole will drop AI use entirely and revive drafting to learn how to hand draw the catgirl they play pretend as between working full-time and managing a family
>>97818204
my brother in Christ you need to calm the fuck down, it's a chatbot
not a doctor but it sounds like you have clinical depression

>>97858695
>I promise I will call out the good if I ever ducking find it.
Usually anons on the internet with this opinion on content can't manage to ever describe examples of "good" things.

>>97858695
And the vast majority of human made "art" is also garbage. That is why good art always sticks out, no matter how it's created. A masterpiece is a masterpiece.

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Having just had a brilliant wargaming event this weekend without even a mention of AI, I'm just like why?

Why use it, just do things yourself you'll be happier. What do you mean you want to take away part of our own hobby, are you sure you even enjoy your hobby if you want some LLM to throw some strings of words it got positive results on back at you.

>>97859051
My hobby is running games, not doing art.
I'm perfectly happy asking a machine to punk out an NPC reference I can bang into a token so I can focus on other things.

>>97858950
I’ll know it when I see it, but I won’t knock what someone does in the privacy of their own table.

>>97859681
It's just that my first question when someone points out a lot of bad things is "What are some *good* things?"
And usually they can't site anything, indicating that they're just cynical assholes incapable of enjoyment.

>I won’t knock what someone does in the privacy of their own table.
Fair and reasonable. A world apart from OP.

>Prompters are still incapable of creating interesting art or actually coming up with compelling ideas or forming intelligent thoughts or arguments despite their LLMs and free time
Color me surprised

>>97818204
Have you considered stimulating your brain instead?

>>97819351
If your players can't be assed to flex their creative muscles, why are they playing RPGs? They should be doing something else, like cleaning out their belly button or eating McDonalds.

>>97820719
Smoothbrain

>>97821004
Objectively correct

>>97821059
Bro, if you can't generate ideas, what the fuck are you good for? Seriously, ideas are a dime a dozen. Without the use of AI and maybe 5 minutes worth of reading and thinking, I can come up with 12 ideas for... anything.

>>97821221
If your creativity got expanded by AI, it wasn't there to begin with.

>>97821290
>making illustrations
Yeah if you want them to look like fucking trash. Seriously.

>>97821580
Thing is, I'd be fine with destroying the global trade network. You're the thirdie who relies on American gibs and Chink plastics to make life in your shithole country more bearable.

>>97821707
>tax carbon
OH BOY you're an idiot.

>>97822095
Maybe that's how you work, but those of us with actual intelligence can infer an ocean from a droplet of water.

>>97822532
Are you that brain-fried? I suffer from too many ideas and not enough time to try them all out.

>>97823361
LibreOffice
GoogleDocs

>>97825263
Because you're a stinky jeet, I know.

>>97828822
It's absolutely going to stay and it absolutely has a use, but it's gonna be like the dot-com bubble. Only the strong will survive and it'll get taken out of the hands of the unwashed masses (which is for the best).

>>97858695
i went to an ai art thread and scrolled until i found an acceptable pic, this one doesn't seem to have any issues, and human art is often more flawed than it is

do you see any issues with this?

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>>97857033
I do let one of my friends live with me without paying rent, in fact. Friendship is about sharing parts of your lives, not charging people for admission.

>>97859892
It's like you didn't even read the post you're replying to. LibreOffice and GoogleDocs both have HUGE compatibility issues with Excel, to the point at which you might as well rewrite the sheet from scratch if you're doing anything more complicated than cell references. If your work can't be used on other computers that are running MS Office, no, you're not viably going to be able to convince your boss to let you do whatever you want.

>>97859892
>You're the thirdie who relies on American gibs and Chink plastics to make life in your shithole country more bearable.
Thirdies would have better lives without that, unironically. It's the big countries who's economies would suddenly lose their slave labor that would suffer.

>>97860070
On the one hand, she’s missing part of her finger on her left hand. On the other, I don’t think it’s my personal business to go around judging artwork any further than just speaking my personal opinion of it, so if you like it than that matters far more than my opinion of it.

>>97860112
it's alright, i just randomly ran through the thread and found one that didn't have any immediately obvious issues, so i have no attachment to it

>>97860123
Yeah, the art doesn’t really do anything for me on a person level, so I’d label it passable but forgettable overall.

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If it helps keep the play fun and has SVOL in it, I feel that AI as is should not be a deterring factor to join a play group. I mean, the spirit of the game is the most important, whether you have certain the tools or not, or if you are following tradition or not.

>>97860070
>Missing a finger on the left
>Handhide on the other right, the mark of an untrained and amateur artist
>That sucking gape of an armpit
>wearing a thong with running shorts (you don't wear underwear with them, they have their own fabric underpants, that getup would chafe)
>Neck is horrendously offset from the spine, indicated by the position of the choker thing on her neck, it's fucked
>Everything about her hair is -off- and inconsistent
>Inconsistent application of the wetness texture on the body and the clothes so it just looks like she kinda pissed herself
>The movement lines add nothing and don't really indicate anything like the movement of the pose, they're just there for noise
>The folds in the ass are incorrect with the pose
When it's not abjectly wrong, which it is, it just demonstrates a profound lack of taste. This is a ubiquitous feature of ai slop and sloppers in general. Their slop is fueled entirely by them being too lazy to care about the kinds of mistakes no artist would make. These aren't even nitpicks, they're full on lice, you just have to be a dirty fucking indian to not care.

>>97860439
artists make far worse mistakes than that all the time

>>97859885
>blah, blah, blah everything everyone else does is terrible
Your boos mean nothing. I've seen what makes you cheer.

>>97860070
>do you see any issues with this?
Mostly just that motion lines are prominent but lack clarity of motion.

>>97860439
>>Missing a finger on the left
It's a minor mistaje I've seen in humans during the inking process.

>>Handhide on the other right, the mark of an untrained and amateur artist
Seems absurd to mention when there's also a hand fully dedicted.

>>That sucking gape of an armpit
Completely fair. Only clear spot that reveals AI not understanding what it's doing.

>>wearing a thong with running shorts
Nigga please.

>>choker thing on her neck
True but it's in an easy to overlook spot.

>>Everything about her hair is -off- and inconsistent
Eh, I've seen that a lot.
It's not great but meh

>>Inconsistent application of the wetness texture on the body and the clothes so it just looks like she kinda pissed herself
Like your fashion sense, this depends on whether or not she's pissed herself.

>>The movement lines add nothing and don't really indicate anything like the movement of the pose, they're just there for noise
Yeah. I've seen humans do that shit too and it's stupid.

>>The folds in the ass are incorrect with the pose
The imprecise anatomy is mild

>>97860600
>artists make far worse mistakes than that all the time
True.

I think the issue is that the AI puts a higher polish on low production quality art and then people use it like it's not.
It's a happy meal served on fine china.

>>97860698
>Multiple points here are just wrong
>Prompter can't even bother to spellcheck amidst his jeet rage
I accept your defeat.
>>97860600
And they get criticized over it all the time, sloppers promote an embarrassing standard of laziness

>>97860839
pfft no, ai slop gets criticized a thousand times harder for equivalent mistakes

>>97860698
>Only clear spot that reveals AI not understanding what it's doing.
It was probably part of the prompt so it got forced in. If the prompter was more careful with the pose it could have been avoided.

>>97860439
>>Missing a finger on the left
>>That sucking gape of an armpit
>>Neck is horrendously offset from the spine, indicated by the position of the choker thing on her neck, it's fucked
>>The folds in the ass are incorrect with the pose
these are true issues, the rest are not

>AIfags seething so badly they need to make a thread like this
lol

>>97861527
op does seem dumb enough to be a falseflagger doesn't he

>>97860839
>I accept your defeat.
I'm a neutral third party, you ignorant twat.

>sloppers promote an embarrassing standard of laziness
So do your shitty posts but you're free to post them.

Anyone have a good AI GM so I can finally play a fucking game with friends?

>>97862585
Not possible with an AI. They’re just not in that realm of flexibility to do that for long without their wiring going ploin shaped. You’re better off either paying someone or one of you biting the bullet and learning to GM.

>>97821580
> It reminds me of the propaganda of "don't use your car. Now, please ignore this ship/factory/plane that pollutes more than a million cars.
In this comparison the OpenAI datacenter is the ship/factory/plane retard.

>>97859885
>If your creativity got expanded by AI, it wasn't there to begin with.
Recently I my anus got expanded by niggers, I'm pretty sure my sissy hole already existed to begin with, but now its three to four times its normal size.

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>>97818057
This is the most nogames post I've ever read.
First, it has nothing to do with games. This dipshit causehead comes flying in from his favorite Discord and tries to tell people playing games that, instead of playing games, hey, the PERSONAL IS THE POLITICAL, and you should be a huge anus about it and try to make the lives of your friends miserable.

what a killjoy suckshit double retard

AI helps with TTRPGs. It helps make icons, and backgrounds, and it can draw a character much faster and cheaper, making it so that anyone who wants a picture can have one. Huge democratization force! Battle maps shouldn't take so much time, and they don't represent time spent on the actual game. Can AI save your time for creative effort that matters? In many cases, yes! Your players will thank you because you'll have done more of what matters and less of what doesn't matter. And art doesn't matter.

Definitely don't listen to OP. He wants you to never hang out with your friends or play games. He wants you posting your dick picks on his gay anti-AI discord. Fuck OP.

>>97863089
DO NOT REDEEEEEEEEM

>>97818204
go take improv classes; being around other people's imaginations and being forced to repeatedly use your own really helps to purge all the shitty uncreative ideas and start working out the muscle that is creativity

>>97863123
go take etiquette classes, you'll become a lot less rude and obnoxious very quickly

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>>97863101
Do you actually believe an Indian is going to come into this thread or even /tg at all and do some hindoo?
I can't even imagine why.

>>97863168
NTA but he wasn't rude, just has shit ideas. Creativity is a muscle yes but improv is a fucking terrible place to learn it, it's full of theater kids who sap your will to live in real time.

The best way to get creative is just make stuff. Shit or not, you're flexible your muscles doing the work. That's how you improve.

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Bruh, being a Chronicles of Darkness nerd is suffering. At the local (by which I mean within an hour's drive) game shops where TTRPGs are run, I get looks like I'm that one guy at a board gaming session who wants to play some German game about making an efficient power grid.

RPing with AI gets me a fix I otherwise just wouldn't get unless maladaptive daydreaming is somehow a better use of an idle hour a couple of nights per week.

>>97818057
You’re allowed to ban AI at your table. That’s a house rule, not a universal moral law.

A player using AI for a portrait is not the same thing as a GM outsourcing the entire campaign. Those are wildly different levels of impact, and pretending they’re identical just turns the discussion into purity-testing.

The real questions are: did everyone agree to it, is anyone being misled, and is the tool replacing the actual fun of making and playing the game?

If your table wants ‘no AI at all,’ put that in the session zero rules. Fine. But ‘boot anyone instantly for any use’ sounds less like protecting the hobby and more like looking for excuses to start fights.

TTRPGs live or die on trust, creativity, and table chemistry. Make rules around that, not slogans.

>>97846613
>fluo colors
What happened to these?

>>97863810
I mean he came to a games forum and told people to play fewer games. Oh, do your friends like AI? He recommends you stop playing games with them. It's really stupid.

OP wasn't happy with no AI at HIS table. He wants to go around and poison other tables to be primarily about politics instead of play.

>>97821004
>Any use of an AI diminishes your own contribution to the game making it less personal and enjoyable for others

That's a retarded absolute. It's like saying using a car to get to the game diminishes your own contribution to the game. If used right it's just a convenience that lets you work faster.

>>97861759
Only a moron would think it's anything else. Aifags seething, all the way down.

>>97864299
Man, AIfags cannot produce a metaphor to save their lives.

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>>97864340
lol, AIfags just can't score a win.

>>97863586
is there such a game about power grid optimization? i'm interested now

>>97864357
Found the German, get thee gone back to your Ubergenschellenschaftenkraftwerksimulatorden Hans. That digital paperwork isn't going to file itself!

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>>97864357
>is there such a game about power grid optimization?
Never heard of such a thing.

>>97863123
AYRT here, will that really work?
Any games I can play with friends I already have? Like Microscope? I had a lot of fun doing that one with some friends and really felt "zoned in" while playing.

>>97818057
No, I will not stop using AI — There is no reason to not use it.

>>97818057
I just realized. I haven't seen any AI image generation generals in a while. Did the fad (on 4chan) finally die or did the jannies start deleting them as they should have from the start?

Every time I try to use AI to help with a creative task I am always left disappointed. It's like asking the normalest normalnigger to ever normal to come up with cool ideas or draw cool stuff for you.

>>97870053
???

no, you're just blind, or maybe you filtered them and are retarded enough to forget

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>>97818057
OP here. I forgot to mention one thing:

If a GM uses AI to generate NPCs - QUIT THE GAME!

>>97874408
wait until you found out your mom made you with the help of ai

>>97863586
Just find internet autists to play with

>>97874817
Nah.
With the help of Al Cohol.

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>>97818057
>If a player uses AI to make a character biography - BOOT THEM FROM THE GAME!
>If a GM uses AI to write an adventure for a session - QUIT THE GAME!
That's reasonable, AI writing is still sloppy, usually very obvious, and at this point you might as well just play with a chatbot.
>If a player uses AI to make a character portrait of their PC - BOOT THEM FROM THE GAME!
That's gay, there are already plenty of of tools capable of generating non-sloppy custom art and nothing wrong with using a robot instead of some random artist if you're not going to be drawing stuff by hand anyway.

>>97875784
To be frank, there’s no real argument for or against ai usage in character portraits, if only cause most ai char portraits are so generic that it’s indistinguishable from just stealing it from someone else’s gallery anyways.

>>97876336
AI usage is a huge indicator for someone being a piece of shit.

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>>97874408
When did this website become Bluesky?

>>97876664
>t. buttmad artist

>>97818057
nah fuck off retard

>>97876664
No, normal people use AI because it's easy and fun. Anti-AI screechers are all maladjusted internet cause-heads who want you to be mad at your friends for no reason.

i think the anti-ai position of leftists will finally break the leftist movement globally.
People are finally seeing that leftists are not rational and base their opinions on highly emotional feelings and just flock to issue to issue spreading misinformation and lies. Just trying to make every current topic or event part of their slacktivist paradigm

>>97818499
So is alienation. OP would be banned from most social platforms for trying to orchestrate cancel culture.

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AI's great and I will use it more to help make retarded gay political (leftist) artists starve

I WILL continue to buy prints of based artists like Sub McKinnon and Terese Nielsen

>>97877927
Seb*

>>97877927
most of the anti-ai "artists" aren't artists they are just poser trannies

ai squiggles and actual traditional art are apples and oranges,

horseshoe spergs trying to conflate them are stupid

>>97876828
y'know sometimes I get the feeling bluesky is the world's most effective psyop/honeypot to make everyone associate leftism and anti-AI rhetoric with the most annoying and obnoxious people to ever blight the earth.

>>97878078
it's been known for decades at this point that leftists tend to form echochambers. Even other leftists have criticised this phenomenon.
When they fled twitter for bluesky they essentially isolated themselves into a smaller echochamber and that makes their negative behaviour more clear.
One of the reasons leftist spergs are constantly angrily lashing out at other people online is they are just unaccustomed to differing view points. And have been conditioned to sperg out at differing opinions and try to cancel them.

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>>97877722
>AIfags seething about artists with no prompting
lol, what assholes.

>>97877856
>It's LEFTIST to notice that AIs are shit in every measurable category
I didn't know basic literacy was left wing now.

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>>97877927
>It's the MEAN LEFTISTS that are shitting on me!
AIfaggots really can't catch a break.

>>97864231
Imagine seething so much that you got kicked out for using AI that you make a thread like this.

>>97878210
you people can't be real. You are just so retarded.

>>97878381
Perhaps paid shilling wasn't the best strategy to convince the public of the quality of your idiot boxes.

>>97878393
you got AIDS bad.

>>97878417
>Seething hard enough to make up a disorder
lol, I see you've been deeply wounded

>>97878419
https://988lifeline.org/

>>97878424
No rahish, I'm not clicking on your link.

>>97818057
One of my players took a real picture of himself staring dead-eyed at the camera and made ai make him wear like a super cool badass cowboy outfit and used that for his character portrait.

Is that cringe or based?

>>97881193
They aren't mutually exclusive.

>>97881193
Crased and Binge, clearly.

>>97818204
that microdosing thing is crazy talk, have a couple wild trips but make sure you're safe. helped me make a lot of paintings. play some chess too, it's good for the brain. you'll make it man

>>97823343
>It doesn't have to, but using AI in place of your own critical thinking will ensure that it does.
fuck you for trying to coopt his fears into your neurotic agenda, it won't ensure anything other than some utility as long as he uses it reasonably

>>97885697
People don’t use it reasonably, that’s why we have all these stories of people wrecking their lives because they took the computer at face value.

>>97885778
well over 99% use it reasonably to the minimal standard of not crashing out, it literally wouldn't be a thing anymore if that happened to everyone

what i meant was a higher standard of getting somoething you like out of it though

>>97885946
Statistically, it happens to everyone.
Otherwise the rate of business failure wouldn't multiply by seven when businesses start using it.

>>97890058
this is like saying some people trip over their shoelaces therefore statistically nobody can tie their own shoes

What!? And miss out on the Pedophile Potus post pretend pictures of himself as Jesus!? No fuckin way.

>>97885697
Anon, we see a decline in critical thinking capacity across multiple different studies of AI use, even in people who say that they don't trust it.

>>97891031
No it's not. It would only be like this if tying your shoe made you die seven times more than otherwise.
AIfags have such rotten brains.

>>97895269
if you gave laced shoes to a population that had never learned to tie laces before, you would in fact see a dramatic increase in people tripping

since almost nobody dies from ai use, tripping is also a better analogy, since almost nobody dies from that either, too bad for your melodrama

>>97834675
government should keep its regulations the fuck out of private citizen's life, but it also should keep an iron hand on the rampaging megafauna we call corporations

>>97895304
>D-dying is a bad analogy
No, business failure is the death of a business. The analogy is rock hard, you just have allowed yourself to become retarded.