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Here is a thread to discuss trading card games other than the big three.
>Build Divide
>Force of Will
>Final Fantasy TCG
>DBZ CCG
>Wixoss
>Keyforge
>Gundam
>Legend of the 5 Rings (L5R)
>Digimon
>Flesh and Blood
>Gate Ruler
>Battle Spirits
>Ashes
>One Piece
>The other DBZ game
>Sorcery
>Doomtown
>Warlord
>Magi Nation
>Lord of the Rings
>Neopets
>The Condemned CCG
>Grand Archive TCG
>Disney Lorcana
>Hubworld: Aidalon / Earthborne Games
>Little Troubles
>Riftbound
>Cyberpunk TCG
etc.

Post about card games you've played and help other anons get to know your games!

Pastebin/Rules for some games
>Wixoss
https://pastebin.com/LC8SpttH
>FoW
https://pastebin.com/aGEBEKeF
>Dragonball GT SD
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Pj_0YeUXI5g4XyKwbAXJuZCGt3qWJwyp
>Gate Ruler
https://pastebin.com/nbcZP0nB
>Build Divide
https://pastebin.com/1cQT2pkz
>FaB
https://rentry.org/oypcs
>Ashes Reborn
https://pastebin.com/2jr0EG9S
>Netrunner
https://pastebin.com/g3yQAQ7w
>Fusion World
https://www.dbs-cardgame.com/fw/pdf/rules/fw_OfficialRule_Manual_en_v1.00_2.pdf
>Various Japanese CCGs without western translation (page is in moonrunes)
http://card.g1.xrea.com/tcg/catalog.html
>The Condemned CCG
https://pastebin.com/Liu2E7Rq

voice chat for playing /acg/
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>Previous Thread
>>97829277

>Thread Question
What are you hopes for the future of the hobby?
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>TQ
Sex robots. What does that have to do with card games? Well, they'd play them with you. Just TRY to guess what your prize for winning is!
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>>97866981
You get to choose the next game you both play?
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>>97866981
>What does that have to do with card games? Well, they'd play them with you
God. I want this so much.
Trying to get my GF to do anything but veg infront of the streaming brain cancer device or going out and spending 700$ for a mixed drink is like pulling teeth.
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>>97866898
>new game comes out
>intentionally low supply
>prices are retarded
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>>97867121
Eh we'll have to wait until the game actually comes out. These alpha kits were only sent to journos and youtubers afaik
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>>97867731
Are you joking? Blood is already in the water. Other games are crashing in value. Of course this game is going to get dog-piled by investor bros.
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>>97866898
I just wish for more support for high complexity games like Warlord (and arguably Riftbound but they're complex with retarded rule writing)
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>>97867121
What are good prices?
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>>97868162
$1 per box
anything else is greed
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I've tried Flesh and Blood a few times at a local and have been have a decent enough time with it. Anybody here have more experience with it enough to sell me on the long term or scare me off?
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>Cyberpunk will only have 2 sets per year
Game's gonna be dead before year 3. Meta will be so stale.
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>>97869027
The meta will be stale because it's a boring IP mining game. Sorcery is one set a year and is only growing more powerful.
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>>97866898
>What are you hopes for the future of the hobby?
I want holographic 3D effect moving illustrations
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>>97869044
>The meta will be stale because it's a boring IP
This. The people in charge of making cyberpunk anything have completely lost touch with what made CP cool and interesting. All this amounts to is corporatized flaunting of the latest push to make it relevant again, IE sucking off the video game (tragically bad) and the anime (pathetically shallow) all while comiditizing the experience of being a punk. If you need a corporation to sell you something to feel punk then you've lost the magic of the setting. Ya dig, my rig-nig?
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they should have adapted online gwent for tabletop
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>>97869027
It'd be DOA regardless of how many sets they release an year. No one is actually hyped about playing this game. Fuck, I don't think I've seen people hyped about collecting the cards. Both gameplay and card design look so utterly uninspired.
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good, scalpers can invest in this shitty fomo doa game and get fucked
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>>97869867
I actually for once agree. This is a retard containment grift and I'm not the least bit sorry I'm missing out.

Place your bets for how long it will be before the bottom falls out. For me it's 2 years post ks campaign.
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>>97869835
? I know its not every card but I considering the count I think this box has to have at least some digital cards in paper right? The w3 deluxe version of gwent has way less than this version
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huuuuuuh guys? that card is busted
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>>97870171
turns out the error found in the JP card is the intended effect where it takes from either graveyard instead of your own lmao.
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I’ll be honest: card games scare me.
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>>97868681
The core mechanics of the game are great. But the game has some significant issues as a product:
>high skill ceiling and low RNG means new players will get absolutely fucked for the first 20+ games
>mechanically unique cards at extreme rarity levels means building a competitive deck costs $600+
>parasitic set design with scale creep means the top decks are replaced in their entirety every couple sets

It's a fun game, really thinky and complex, but it's hard to recommend. If you can reliably find "proxies" that are indistinguishable double sleeved, and have a local community, it's worth getting into. If not, skip it.
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>Evelynn Champion Unit in set 3
>Stealth focused
Legend when? I want to build a deck around my demon wife.
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>>97870865
as a teemo player this makes me cum
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>>97871105
That's what Eve does best.
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That Naruto Mythos tcg will flop first
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>>97871251
>mytos y lehendias de naruto CCG (crap card game)
jajaja but the boys and I are already busy "playing" THIS
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>>97869989
Had a chance to play this at the last UK Games Expo, it plays just like the W3 version and is quite pog
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>>97871372
When I first saw it go on sale as a standalone I thought that was a shame, I'm eagerly awaiting the other 500 some odd cards that were in digital but until then I guess I can just play it on tts or something
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Is union arena any good? The boxes are cheap despite all the crossovers which was surprising to me
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>>97869989
>>97871372
never understood the appeal of getting the W3 version in paper. it's just a badly balanced reskin of Condottiere that doesn't support multiplayer. like it works fine in its original context of a game within a game, but as an RL game it's just substandard.
if they actually open it up to what the digital game evolved into then that's a different story. that's actually its own thing.
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>>97866898
bunny people
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>>97872420
Poor bunny in white armor.
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Slowly but surely continuing my quest to build an insect themed deck for every English language TCG I can get my hands on. MTG, Yugioh, and Pokemon are easy enough.
Vanguard I've got a Gredora deck for older formats, I'm holding off on Veleno with the new Overdress stuff for now out of hope for something more buggy.
Picked up Royal Base for Digimon.
I think Myu is what I should be looking into for Wixoss but still trying to figure out where to start for that.
Battle Spirits seems to have a fair share of bugs.
Flesh and Blood doesn't really have any options unless I broaden to spiders and go with Arakni?
Similarly I don't know much about League but I'd guess Elise is probably the closest I'll find whenever she comes out?
Don't think there's any options for Grand Archive, Ashes, or Force of Will that I've seen.
Might try and track down some old Duel Masters Colony Beetle stuff? I managed to put together a pretty fun Danian deck for Chaotic from secondhand purchases.
Any advice? Any of your personal favorite games I missed that I can build bugs in?
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>>97871503
>Is union arena any good?
Yes if you don't mind winning/losing because of luck.
No if you are a competitive player
In other words, it's a casual tcg
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>>97872647
Sounds fine to me. I mostly want something else to play with friends, I'll probably pick up a couple starter decks to fuck around with.
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>>97872603
Battle Spirits Saga has an ant based archetype specially for you anon, good luck finding them
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>>97866898
the game is surprisingly elegant and very crunchy. would be cool to send off some teams to MPC and play with current era players, or do what the game did and revisit a player's best year.
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>>97872934
dual-faced pitcher/batter cards wouldve been cool, i dont even really understand how to not use a DH in the lineup
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>>97872951
>>97872934
They revived MLB showdown? There used to be a scene for that where I lived (but yugioh was always more popular)
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>>97873904
>Lorcana S Tier
Sweet!

Uh, wait, viable for running what?
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>>97873925
https://youtu.be/kVcpJxHBPMA
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>>97873937
>English title STILL cuts off before it gets to the point
>it's not translated
>I don't speak sushi

I mean, thanks for the link, but I still don't know the answer.
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>>97873951
idk use the youtube auto dub feature
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>>97873957
...Would you believe that I forgot that was a thing?
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>>97873973
I didn't even know it was a thing, it just automatically did it when I clicked on the video
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>>97873925
>>97873937
So, to save time for anyone wondering, the tier list was about which games these guys think are most viable for running in a single product specialty store. Despite being a Lorcana fan, I'm actually kind of shocked that they'd hold it in such high regards there. I know 'westaboos' are a thing, but I didn't think Disney was that popular there. Pleasantly surprised.
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>>97874012
Disney doesn't have the negative image it has in the west over in Japan, people are content with enjoying the cute characters and consuming whatever they produce, for better or worse.
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>>97874012
Finished watching the whole thing. FAB fans will be glad to know that he nearly put it in S before dropping it down to A.
Well, anyhow, it sounds like the big reason Lorcana was the only S tier had to do with the fact that there wasn't much competition despite it being very popular, so a specialty store would be very profitable. Other popular games like Pokémon and MTG already have plenty of competition, so they ranked lower. So, this was less a video about which games were the best, but about which ones had more potential for sales profit in the region.
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>>97874091
>negative image
I often wonder about this. I know there are plenty of reasons to view Disney negatively, but what particular beefs do any of you have with it? I'm curious to know. Personally, I'm not a fan of modern Disney, as it seems like they've forgotten how to make a good movie and just keep regurgitating classics and expecting us to swallow it, and how they seem more interested in buying existing popular things instead of innovating. Also their war on copyright limitations is just ridiculous. But, I grew up on Disney and Magic cards, so nostalgia-bait Lorcana was a perfect fit for me in terms of both gameplay and IP.
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>>97874129
I don't have any particularly strong feelings about them, I like the movies I'm interested in and everything else is just in the "exists but pay no attention to" corner of my mind space. My opinion is that unless someone has a certain degree of prior investment into the brand I don't think they would react so strongly to almost whatever it is Disney is doing to the point of ostracizing the unwitting fans honestly, though people do like doing weird things to justify their own actions and opinions I suppose.
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>>97873904
>sorcery second to last
It's over.
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>>97874340
bro when even the west barely has it in stores you know it's not a seller hit
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>>97874129
I'm an artistically inclined faggot so I massively seethe at seeing a company that used to make genuine masterpieces reduced to pumping out slop and killing its own industry.
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Is the gundam card game worth trying out?
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>>97874828
Valid, fair enough.

>>97874175
All good. Just like anything else, some people have stronger feelings about it than others.
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>>97874828
That's just the side effects of late stage capitalism ruled by oligarchy. There is no other end result.
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>>97874981
>of late stage capitalism ruled by oligarchy
Add it to (((The List)))
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I'm starting to lose faith in Lorcana. Pack opening has been dogshit since about set 4, with roughly 6 non-chase cards worth a pack or more and usually 2-3 chase cards worth a box or more, everything else being worthless. The meta has been the same four decks since rotation with very minor updates. Rotation on a 2 year basis is too fast and will likely result in the exact same type of meta again, and every deck running the same 4-5 staples as their core which are each $30 a piece. And on top of that, the LGSs near me can't even get product so they're prizing out set championships with store credit or fucking Reign of Jafar.

It just isn't feeling fun anymore. Might switch to Riftbound as my main game if the new set finally gives a more balanced meta. Or maybe I'll just back off tcgs for a while.
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>>97874129
>their war on copyright limitations is just ridiculous
this is a big one, and important to remind people that them turning evil is not a recent thing. they've been using those stacks of money for corrupting the political system in pursuit of the noble goal of making the world worse for everyone since the 90s.
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>>97873904
>>97873937
Absolute shit taste and he does not play all of these TCGs so he's clearly talking out of his ass
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Bro you just pissed that he put Sorcery that low.
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So is short printing the first release for a tcg to get scalpers, influencers, and the other worst parts of the hobby to hype up the game the new release strategy? It seems to be kind of normal at this point that scalpers will make the initial sets for a tcg tied to a popular enough IP just not worth spending the money on and limiting potential growth.
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Isn't it called artificial scarcity?
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>>97875392
Sort of. But with how secondary markets work for tcgs and just how much grifters push flipping stuff for quick cash, I think it goes a bit beyond artificial scarcity since that mostly involves the primary sellers.
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>>97875386
It's just the more conservative choice. You're not going to know exactly how much to print, and the numbers are usually set long before release, so most companies would rather risk printing too little, driving hype and fomo and the appearance of being very high demand, than printing too much, resulting in supply glut, low prices, and appearance of low demand. Plus it's cheaper to print less, so when you don't have the first set's revenue to bolster numbers, you aim low.
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>>97873904
Wait why is yuhioh on two different tiers?
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>>97875487
Probably Rush Duel and normie-Gi-Oh.
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>>97875442
I guess. I'm just so tired of when a new tcg comes out that would be interesting to try, so many people get priced out by resellers you can't get a local scene going so it dies on release.
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>>97875226
Sorry to hear that, man. I hope it gets better for you.
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>>97873904
Genuinely awful taste
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>>97875226
...riftbound is insanely shit to open and it has pokemon (recently optcg) scalper tier pack prices
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>>97875375
>>97875688
I think the point of the chart isn't taste, but how much profit he can make. Also, obviously he doesn't play them. He sells them.
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>>97875386
which is why you dodge the ground floor bullshit and wait 2 years to see what happens. the cashgrabs will be dead or dying by then. anything good will be just hitting its stride.
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>>97875701
But I can build a tier 1-2 deck in Riftbound for $200 or less, and the core gameplay is more exciting.
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>>97876050
I can build a tier 1 Pokémon deck for $50 or less.
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>not buying singles
retards
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>>97873904
investor chink
lmao, ror even
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>>97874837
I guess no one’s played it here?
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>>97875973
Yah, it worked out alright for me when I picked up digimon with some friends, but Gundam is dead in my area and One Piece still struggles to get enough people for locals to fire off.

>>97874837
There's a learner app where you use starter decks if you want to try that out and see how the game plays. It's okay but something about it just wasn't clicking for me.
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>>97876468
Couple dudes play it here. Just wait, they'll respond to you.
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>>97876463
>disingenuous /mtg/tard too stupid to recognize his own eceleb cheaters
>https://www.eternalcentral.com/saito-busted-at-gp-florence-and-what-it-means/
No one cares what you think faggot
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>>97876672
>november 2010
go back to bed grandpa
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>worked in the board game industry
>making my own tcg
>planning on going around to stores and gauging their interest, what makes them interested, etc
>make the retailers the biggest providers and pushers of the cards
It will be crazy of the old Shake Their Hand method ends up working out
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>>97876262
True but pokemon is less complex and the gameplay doesn't strike me in the same way Riftbound does.

Idk I just need to take a break and then try the new set's meta I think.

Went 1-1-1 at a 7 person set champs today, bubbled out of top 4 because my loss was to another 1-1-1. The one that went to time I would have won, but decks are slow right now outside of dogs, which I just plain don't enjoy playing.
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>>97876050
he said pack opening. riftbound pack opening experience is dogshit
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>>97870865
Backline must be nuts on might boosted units
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>>97877538
Artist forgot to increase eye size by 50% when trying to imitate anime art. Big mistake, looks like a balding monk now.
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FnB feels like yugioh, just algorithmic chains clashing until one fucks up. I can see why autist love it.
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>>97878279
NTA, is there any game with a good pack opening experience?
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>>97878553
NTA, depends on what you are after, how many packs you crack, and how many packs have been removed from the box and what they pulled. There's just too many variables to consider to make a reasonable conclusion. That being said sealed with a wacky draft setup is just pure shenanigans and fun depending on the game since everyone just buys the packs they want and you play a sealed format with using those packs and see what happens. Absolute shit with real prizes though since not all packs are created with equal power level
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Riftbound isn't simple to learn
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If you play Smash Up you know how to play Shitbound
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>>97879308
Pokemon and Magic are only 1 and 2 because of scalpers and gambling addicts. Popularity in terms of people actually playing the game? YGO > MtG EDH > One Piece > Pokemon
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>>97879308
One day Duema shall return to its rightful throne.
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>>97879390
>more people play YGO than Magic
Doubt
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>>97879390
>>97879405
Isn't Yugioh in decline right now?
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Pokemon, One Piece, and Commander are all far more popular than Yugioh at my locals.
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One piece has started the rotation cycle? Is the implementation done right?
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>revolutionizes mana system to the point 90% of future games outright copy it
>solves the problem of board stalls, many future games also copy its solution
>doesn't need any materials to play outside the decks themselves
>cool art
>is dead outside japan

it's just not fair.
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>>97879691
It really was insane how good the art was in that first set, especially the black cards.I didn't even play it, just saw it on the shelves, but the image of Rothus the Traveler is burnt into my memory. The current art is unfortunately all slop.
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>>97879691
With how WotC is fucking up Magic, it's probably for the best.
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>>97878553
Yes, it's just that everyone has been brainrotted by financialization to the point "good experience" means "did I make money?".

The only games I'd really consider a bad feeling for opening are FaB and YuGiOh. The former because opening a pile of abstract actions isn't as fun as monsters or anime girls, and the latter because most sets are spread so thin across archetypes it never feels like I can do anything halfway functional using what I opened.
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>>97879813
As a complete outsider that doesn't know shit, FaB looks like it should be an LCG.
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Locally speaking, at the store I go to YGO numbers are way down and, according to the staff member I was talking to, a bunch went over to Magic because Universes Beyond got them interestedt. Apparently a number of them quit YGO after a recent-ish ban list
Meanwhile, Gundam, Riftbound, Magic, Pokemon, and One Piece seem to be doing decently in terms of Players
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I thought MTG fags left MTG due to their game being spoilt with different IPs coming over
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>>97880090
Yeah but they got replaced by nuMTG fags that came into the game for EDH and Universes Beyond.
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>>97879813
>>97878622
Imo a good experience means that nearly every pack has something you could feasibly use - full art magic lands are a good example, or a set that has lots of playable uncommons, or enough alt arts that you're going to get a playable foil or alt version in most packs, or etc. That does often correlate with monetary gain because of supply and demand, but it doesn't need to. Pokemon and most Bandai games have generally good pack opening experiences.

FAB is an example of the worst pack opening experience in the business right now. Most packs (well over 75%) will give you entirely cards you absolutely will never use, from the first pack you open. Opening a box will give you more than a full playset of all the aforementioned 99% garbage commons, and the only alt art or exciting non-unique cards are like one per case.

Lorcana is better than this, but their sets are still mostly unplayable garbage. If their super rares were mostly playable, and there were more alt-art cards (epic is a step in the right direction), it'd be a decent experience, but right now in a given set there's just not many playable cards above common/uncommon, and a box will get you a playset of commons.
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>>97879647
Yes but magic in person events are basically dead, outside of prerelease. I'd believe yugioh is more popular than non-edh, but pokemon is definitely still more played than either.
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Hello acg,

About a week ago I came in here saying I was interested in learning one piece and had bought the learn together set.

Anon suggested I run Op12 zoro and I’ve been having fun as the deck kind of plays it self and smashes people for face.

I know there are some overlap in cards but I was wondering if someone could provide me with an example of the green mihawk deck? I know it’s still decently meta but I just like mihawk a lot. I’m not a meta whore I just want decks of characters I like but not that they’re so weak that it’s not fun to play with.
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I tried the cyberpunk alpha yesterday. Game plays fairly smoothly, though it doesn't do a lot to differentiate from other "fixed magic" games, and the IP means nothing to me. Felt snowbally with the way gig scoring works.
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>>97874129
>what particular beefs do any of you have with it?
I just hate fags. Nothing more to it.
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>>97879683
Yeah, 1st block already rotated.
So far it's mixed. Rotation only really mattered for like 10-20 cards that were still relevant from block 1, and powercreep hasn't slowed down at all, with decks like purple Enel from OP15 being completely overtuned.
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>>97880497
https://onepiecetopdecks.com/deck-list/english-eb-03-deck-list-one-piece-heroines-edition/deckgen/?dn=Green%20Mihawk&date=3/29/2026&cn=Latam&au=M9Alexis&pl=2nd%20Place&tn=Regional(12-3)&hs=PlayLatam(1000+)&dg=1nOP14-020a4nST02-007a4nOP12-034a2nST24-002a4nOP10-032a3nPRB02-006a3nOP08-023a3nOP12-118a4nOP14-029a2nOP13-031a3nOP14-027a2nOP14-119a4nST24-004a1nOP01-057a3nOP06-038a2nOP12-037a3nOP13-040a3nOP14-039&cs=251
Here's a decklist that got 2nd at the Latam regionals two weeks ago, if you need a good starting point.
Mihawk is in a weird spot where he runs a lot of "generically" good green cards, and such it's much harder to find a best list for him as there's a lot of variance between players.
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>>97880731
Adding to this, it seems decks have a lifespan of 1-2 expansions
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>>97879691
Blocker is retarded, literally any untapped creature should be able to block one attack by tapping. I cant believe any Build Divide and Force of Will grasped this
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>>97880796
Enjoy your board stalls.
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>>97880811
>Offs blockers
>Solitaires your cloth or LP to zero

Great game DMbros
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>>97880497
>I’m not a meta whore I just want decks of characters I like but not that they’re so weak that it’s not fun to play with.

Really is a weird but good feeling when someone you like ends up being meta.
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>>97880690
Haha, yeah, all right. They are pretty faggy these days. Thankfully, Lorcana generally plays to the nostalgic days when Disney was a lot more hetero.
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>>97879691
IIRC there were rumors WotC might have deliberately killed it like they have done with other TCGs they've made that weren't MtG out of fear that it would negatively effect MtG.
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>>97880090
There's been a couple of mass exoduses from MtG. The 2 biggest ones were back when they started their FIRE design and had to constantly ban cards and the other is from the fortnite-ification with crossover sets
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>>97880257
That's a good way of evaluating it.
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I have nothing interesting to say.
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>>97881613
>>97880090
For me it was FIRE.
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>>97881916
Me too. They started banning more cards than YuGiOh it's such a bad idea. I forget the name of the card, but there was a U/G planeswalker that made food tokens and was completely fucking broken. As in anyone reading the card no matter how new they were thought it was way too strong. Then it was revealed that the original card was more balanced but they were made to make it stronger by the higher ups in the last minute to push pack sales. Then banned it everywhere. I think it's even limited in vintage it's so stupidly strong. Fuck they even used an idea that the original game designers thought was a terrible decision when they made companion cards. As in there were some notes about the idea and they said never fucking do this and then they did because EDH was so popular.
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>>97881613
>>97881916
I've been out of the loop for years when it comes to MtG... what's this Fire thing?
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>>97881958
Not banned or limited in vintage (barely anything is banned in vintage), but it is banned in legacy.
I had already stopped playing Magic a while before this, but I tried out Magic Arena right when this guy's set came out. It was not pleasant.
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>>97881962
An acronym for their new design philosophy, Fun, Inviting, Replayable, and Exciting. What it's ended up doing is creating some broken as fuck cards that they have to regularly ban it warps the meta so much in multiple formats. The real answer is that they massively reduced their testing budget, fired a lot of their testers, and reduced the testing period for sets in order to release more sets per year for more profits and fewer expenses. Also, they've really been pushing EDH cards since that's really all people play now because standard if fucking terrible and the other formats are somehow worse
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>>97881982
Right that fucker. I swear it was limited in vintage, but clearly I'm wrong. I tried arena in the beta during the Shandalar set and saw how bad energy was and that killed any intent I had to go back
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>>97880090
>>97881613
Started playing in 2002, resisted playing EDH until 2019, and now the crossover horseshit has all my cards collecting dust. I saw the game change a lot in that time, from the introduction of planeswalkers and mythic rarity to damage being removed from the stack. I saw New World Order go into effect, then FIRE, and I was willing to see where things went. But I cannot be fucked to hang around for Marvel and TMNT and god knows whatever else.

The most disingenuous argument I’ve seen people try to make is that I would like it when they did a crossover set with an IP that I liked. But I’ve thought about it and I really wouldn’t. I don’t exactly dislike Lord of the Rings, but the way they had to twist both the rules of the game and the roles of the characters in order to make the set frankly does a disservice to both. The fact that “The Ring tempts you” is a positive effect for you is nonsensical. And I have no faith that they’d do any better with anything else dear to me.

Magic is a fine game. Its storytelling may leave something to be desired, but the fact that those settings and characters are written with the game structure in mind means that they don’t fight against it when they show up on cards.

But I’m too tired to keep arguing it. When I started playing the game, I didn’t have a mortgage to pay down or a father-in-law’s estate to settle. I can’t see a straightforward path to bring about change, so I must simply accept the loss of something I once cherished.
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>>97881996
>I swear it was limited in vintage
You’re mixing him up with Lurrus, the broken card that came out two sets later and had to actually be banned in Vintage.
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>>97882005
I think it's S tier for deckbuilding and gameplay, but the people making the decisions disgust me. It's ironic that there was a webcomic joking about how crossovers would kill the way the game felt has now become the reality for it. In the case of your father-in-law, I hope things gets better for you and your spouse.
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>>97882011
Probably. Companion was something even the original designers knew would ruin the game
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>>97882005
>The most disingenuous argument I’ve seen people try to make is that I would like it when they did a crossover set with an IP that I liked. But I’ve thought about it and I really wouldn’t.
I don't even have to think about it.
I fucking love Avatar The Last Airbender and I think its Magic set is fucking cringe as shit. It even seems like a relatively good set and a good representation of Avatar but it's still a non-Magic Magic set and it basically just feels like some sort of weird fanfiction product that I have no interest in touching with a 20 foot pole.
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>>97882005
Bro, sorry to hear about the mortgage and Father-in-law, that's rough.
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>>97881989
Oh, so it's a game design philosophy. I get it, I thought it was referring to something visual. Thanks for the explanation.
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>>97882040
>some sort of weird fanfiction product
This is probably the best description of what Magic has become that I've heard in a long while.
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>>97878553
Duel Masters. DM has the best boxes.
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>>97879647
No new anime will do that.
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>>97881102
>the nostalgic days when Disney was a lot more hetero
Yeah bro, nothing more hetero than princesses in frilly dresses or a stupid faggy rat.
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>>97879647
It's been declining for years. Shit at my digimon locals we have an entire group of people that are referred to as YuGiOh refugees and they own up to the title. The game became even more expensive and all of the negate effects and hand traps really killed a lot of people's interest.
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>>97882140
I'm referring more to 90's Disney, like Aladdin, Lion King, Darkwing Duck and Gargoyles. Yeah, there were frilly princesses mixed in there, but at least there were cooler things, too.
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>>97882183
Every one of those things would be considered extremely faggy nowadays, society at the time just wasn't as obsessed with bullshit like it is now.
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>>97882263
>extremely faggy nowadays,
But faggy is the 'in' thing these days. Have you not seen what these kids are watching now?
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>>97882272
Peppa Pig is faggy?
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>>97882120
Yu Gi Oh the Chronicles airs next season I thought
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>>97882616
Where can I watch spirit charmers or fallen of albaz episodes?
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>>97882772
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOFZkJHTcc&list=PLc1vyOIGc2qWN2TGVP8UJukobWE2BU0qh
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>>97882511
I couldn't tell you, I've never even watched Bluey, but Hazbin Hotel and all that other tweeny shit is.
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>>97881599
>IIRC there were rumors WotC might have deliberately killed it like they have done with other TCGs they've made that weren't MtG out of fear that it would negatively effect MtG.
With the way they treated both DM and Kaijudo, I think it's all but confirmed how they felt about the game in western markets. Something else that people forget is that Wizards wanted DM to be a gateway for people to eventually play Magic.

https://x.com/DMP_Eng/status/2040781794090319882
Any resentment people have for Wizards is always justified.
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>>97882924
They also absolutely murdered the transformers TCG and forbidden horse TCG
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>>97867058
My wife plays EDH MtG sometimes, but refuses to even try any other TCG.
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>>97882933
Honestly that has a lot to do with the social aspects. Unless you provide for her a social group she will never try anything else since EDH emphasizes social aspects. Although a good deck will blow everyone else out of the water and then you become the villain facing down everyone else every time
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>>97882997
Actually, she prefers 1v1 EDH, doesn't like pods much, doesn't like most LGSes, and only plays storm decks.
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>>97883014
So she likes beating the shit out of someone without needing to adapt. I have nothing to advice about then.
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>>97883014
Based autistic wife
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>>97879647
At least Yugioh isn't charging $9 for a 1 rare pack "just because it has the chance of having *2* rares instead!"
A fucking Ninja Turtle bundle being almost $80 MSRP is fucking ASININE when you get back maybe $10-15
You can buy the Legendary Modern Decks set for Yugioh for $30 and get 3 meta competitive decks to play in tournaments. $30 gets you like *ONE* playset of a meta staple in MTG.
I'm just tired of card games that think they're better when really pack openings just aren't satisfying. Online client card games treat players so much better and that should NEVER be the case.
That's the saddest part, if any of these other card games like Lorcana Digimon or Gundam made their own online version they'd fucking DOMINATE the market. You can't scalp VIRTUAL cards.
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>>97883544
>3 meta competitive decks
two
>card games that think they're better
modern ygo is shit
>Digimon
>DOMINATE the market
never
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>>97883544
>Lorcana
>online version
They're too busy nuking the fan made versions to make their own.
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I miss the old card design. Was eyespy a mistake?
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>>97883688
Lapis to NV was peak fow art
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>>97883544
I won't deny modern yugioh has dropped the price on competitive decks a lot. Unless you play the newest archetype that costs a load of money, other decks usually don't cost that much anymore with all the reprints they do. Newest decks stay expensive until their first reprint. It kinda killed the collectibility aspect now unless you chase overframes but that's not my problem.
But modern ygo is only appealing to a very small niche. Not many people enjoy having the right handtraps drawn at the start or else they have to deal with an omni-negate x100 board.
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>>97882120
DM hasn't had a proper anime for like 2 years and it hasn't stopped it from mogging Yugioh lately.
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>>97883544
>A fucking Ninja Turtle bundle being almost $80 MSRP
That's the thing though. Wizards doesn't do MSRP any more.
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>>97884834
Yugi hasn't had one for almost 7.
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>>97885527
Ah yeah I just looked it up and found out the last two Yugioh animes have been about Rush Duel so I guess so.
Has Rush Duel had any success? I have my doubts because spin-offs almost always do worse.
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>>97885527
Try 18 kiddo.
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>>97884834
Also it's kind of a specific case where Yugi was extremely carried by the anime in popularity because of how impenetrable it is otherwise. On top of that the official simulator is legitimately outcompeting the paper game because it's so much cheaper and so much simpler (since it handles all the bullshit automatically).
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>>97866898
The other day I was thinking about getting into a TCG (eg, MTG or Riftbound) because I thought it would be cheaper than keep fueling my wargaming addiction.
I then learned about the prevalence of scalping, shitty behaviour by LGS and uncleanliness of the player base.
I decided to buy another mini kit instead.
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>>97885523
Yeah they do, they went back to it with foundations in October 2024
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/magic-returns-to-listing-msrp-with-foundations
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>>97885613
Get into gunpla instead.
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>>97885613
I keep being perplexed by how every card game community is full of stinky people
How does it happen?
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>>97885928
They're autistic. Autistic people are drawn to hobbies like this.
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>>97885538
Reddit sucks its dick but in reality rush duel barely hangs on to a bottom-of-top-10 position in the JP sales charts. The Bandai/Bushi slop games mog it.
Personally I think it's OK but nothing special. Mostly it just makes me want to play actual yugioh
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>>97885602
I was only 11 when I realized the anime was nothing more than an extended toy commercial. There wasn't something more interesting that the cards were an abstraction of, the whole thing was the card game, available now at your local retailers.

Turned me off from tcgs for the next decade.
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>>97885613
If you're the kind of person that always needs to have the designer handbag version of a thing, every hobby is going to be expensive.
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https://x.com/Dexerto/status/2043741393797914798

I see this shit and I think to myself on whether the tcg will ever overtake Yu-gi-oh
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The raffle is up, btw

https://riftbound.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/preorder/registration/
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>>97886501
Yu-Gi-Oh being a card game about playing a card game is ironically what sets it apart from every other TCG.
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>>97887365
scalpers don't really indicate anything. fusion world got scalpers too for some god forsaken reason and that game is nearly dead.
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I will now play One Piece
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>>97889047
Based. I love Angel and Angela.
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Why are Diva SIGNI so OP compared to Key format ones?
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Finally got a Carrot SP today.
Looks beautiful in person.
Just 5 more cards and I'll have a full Carrot collection.
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>>97889690
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY SEXO
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Woah ho! Would you look at that! I'm buying ME a master pack sealed crate now. There's so much value in this set dude, Dynamos have been expensive forever! As a new player I can't afford to miss out on this opportunity. That's gonna be a 'buy' from me, dawg.
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>>97890381
>this is what lss thinks is gonna happen
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>>97890385
My favorite part is a large chunk of the mastery pack artwork depicts some kind of huge stakes PVE spectacle... and yet PVE couldn't be further from happening. They're taunting us, fabulous fighters.
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Buy the re-tracement.
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I tried Warlords with starter decks the other day, tried all 6 of them with a friend.
Boy, this was probably the worst TCG I've tried yet. It's hard to elucidate just how much everything you do in a turn is pointless if it all comes down to "be lucky on a dice roll". The d20 system invalidates nearly every decision and strategy during a turn. I've seen a player use the warlord which strikes when he moves, and plan a turn to move like 5 times, did it matter? no, since the player just low rolled. Or a player stack AC on their warlord to be safe for a turn, did it matter? no, the other player just rolls three 20s. The effects of cards feel particularly annoying, when all they read is 10% higher or lower chance to do something.
Also, not a single game lasted beyond turn 2. The 50 card deck feels particularly pointless, when all you'll see is the top 10 cards.
I was actually really excited to see how the various rank mechanics with levels play and interact with each other, how stealth pans out, having units also poses skills in a soft RPG way, etc etc. But all of that is invalidated when the corse of the game is "just be lucky on a die roll". If you're lucky you don't need to strategize, just hit the opponent, and if you aren't lucky, planning won't do anything.
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>>97891042
>The d20 system invalidates nearly every decision and strategy during a turn.
That's hilarious to hear because the TeCe boys praise the game for having dice rolls as the resolution mechanic. They think it's good that if you're not playing well but suddenly luck swings your way that its peak comeback time; get fucked superior strategy! I honestly don't think the game has much appeal in many metrics, but I know hot or cold dice is something I'm not terribly keen. In fact I place strategy and positioning in high esteem, so I know that would eventually get to me. There's always a question if dice not being balanced as well, so I would always be skeptical letting someone bring their own D20, which happens to be 'old reliable' that dabbed on a total party kill opposed roll many times before. Sad to hear the other merits of the game design don't shine through despite the swingy nature of dice.
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>>97887365
Lorcana had scenes like this at-launch at became niche in less than a year. Basically what >>97888210 said.
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>>97891633
Ha, yeah, I remember how quickly everything sold out, and while I didn't see lines of that size, every place I went to was either sold out, or was severely restricting how many packs you could buy. Thankfully, everything started getting better after set 2.
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Is it true you can walk away with 30k if you get top 16 in one piece.
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New team covenant demo pack for these beautiful games
>gudnak
>warlord
>alpha clash
https://www.teamcovenant.com/games/warlord-ccg?utm_campaign=2026+Preview+Pack
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>>97892710
I boughted and I already like gudnak
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>>97890381
I swear Ser Boltyn's art always looks the same, but they keep having to up the ante on how strong, courageous and handsome he is. Now this card is making him taller than line infantry. His knees come up to their dicks. He's also holding up his long 'sword.'
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>>97889690
Witchanon is dead
>>97889946
Carrotanon, please beat all Penel players at your lgs
>>97891633
The problem with Lorcana is Ravensburger management. But I can already see Bandai fucking the money printer that OP is
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>>97892558
For the One Piece TCG world championship, afaik it was the top 32 that got cards that were worth that much. The people above them got even better stuff.
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>>97892558
I got that much for winning a fusion world regional.
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>>97890381
>>97890404
I haven't watched the keynote. Are they keeping the retarded booster proportions from MPG with the one (1) uncommon card per booster, resulting in 10 euro uncommon cards?
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Finally received my SR Anis for my deck. Expensive as hell but she's the reason I got into Nikke and UA so it's worth it for me. Love this girl.
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>>97894621
How did she get that name?
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>>97889946
>Witchanon is dead
I'm not dead, anon. That's me : >>97889958
I immediately did some research on Gloria after he posted that and found this winning deck list from 2023. I'll be keeping my eyes on her.
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ZX really hurts my brain
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>>97894824
Meant to quote: >>97892992
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>>97892929
>what is perspective
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>>97894824
I thought you died from dehydration
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>>97892710
they just did a new youtoob on this today too
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>>97892992
>Carrotanon, please beat all Penel players at your lgs
I'm trying to.
Carrot in theory has a pretty good matchup against Penel, but they gave him this really dumb combo here where he can do Lightning Kitten to -1k my freeze Carrots, then Mamaragan to rest her and then crash into her with the 10k Enels, or Lightning Dragon so she can't attack/freeze anything next turn.
I really don't understand what they were thinking with him, his deck can do everything.
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mail day
First z/x with bit of luck and logic.
missing one card for having full collection of L&L (excluding promos)
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>>97895460
union arena
toloveru is more fresh set but there are barely any cards on yuyutei
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>>97895474
and some shadowverse to pad my order
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>>97895458
I'm sad to hear about that. It seems that powercreep eventually wins against skill when it comes to Bandai games
>I really don't understand what they were thinking with him
Money
>>97895460
middle row far right Sex!
>>97895474
>toloveru
I forgot about it. I wish it came back
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>>97892710
Wish Warlord had any support near me. But the closest LGS hosting is like 90 minutes away. Same with alpha clash. I'd main game either of those.

Instead it's Riftbound and Lorcana for me. Leaning more Riftbound each day.
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>>97896094
As much as I dislike Disney, Lorcana is a better game. Well, it seems Ravensburger is fucking its popularity, but it is still a better game than rift
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Welcome back.
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>>97896206
Another Lorcana anon here. What's Ravensburger doing that's so bad?
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>>97895364
I caved.
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>>97896554
It happens to the breast of us.
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>Bandai is making absolute bank by repeatedly releasing Duel Masters with a slight twist and tied to one of their IPs
Takara Tomy and WotC are fucking idiots.
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>>97897298
I'm pretty sure it's Hasbro that's gatekeeping DM.
From their perspective, they've tried twice and it failed both times therefore it will never work again and there's no market for it. Fuck looking at why it failed.
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>>97897298
WotC is is repeatedly releasing IPs with a slight twist tied to one of their games.
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>>97897298
Leave Takara out of it; they're maybe the best company your TCG can be managed by. Certainly better than Bandai and Bushi.
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>>97898007
I unironically think Hasbro should hand DM's English licensing and marketing over to Takara Tomy. There's no way they'd do a worse job than Hasbro/WotC already has.
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>>97897298
Im certain the life cloth concept didnt come from DM. Some autist in the 90s had to have conceptualized as an alternate damage tracker compared to numeric life points
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>>97898212
Well WotC will kill it on purpose to try shepherding people into MTG, for starters. Even Bushi/Bandai are better than that.
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>>97896554
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Cyberpunk tcg is hype?
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>>97898759
Not really. Nobody at my LGS has any interest. 3 guys bought into the kickstarter but 2 of them did so hoping to flip the beta box stuff and the other did because he just wants to collect because he loves Cyberpunk.
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>>97898759
base the donation value to amount of backers and it's clear the average person is investing over 700 dollars per donation, that is entirely pre-scalping for a game that doesn't even exist yet.

I have 0 faith it'll be a real game, maybe set 1 will sell off scalpers hyping each other up but this is not a meta zoo type thing here.
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>>97896266
Everything?
>Too many rarities instead of alt arts (chase cards) which makes the game unnecessarily expensive
>Decks aren't thematic. The best decks are a slop pile of the best cards in the color
>Participation prize in lgs is shit. So, there is no reason to go to locals. It's better to play at kitchen table with friends
>Ravensburger doesn't know if it wants to pander to casuals or competitive players, making both disappointed
That is my opinion, but feel free to disagree. Ravensburger has one of the best IPs in its hands, but its inability to do anything worthwhile with it surprises me. Imo, it was better when they had the points thing for locals
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>>97899458
>but this is not a meta zoo type thing here.
I feel like it's worse because it's an established IP verses just cryptids/poke-a-like
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>>97899837
I see that term get thrown around for cyberpunk and like...yeah technically it is but it's entirely from the video game. Not the RPG books, it'll just be video game slop. I don't think there's enough there for a full blown multi-year support TCG.

Either way, it only worked for metazoo because they hyped it up hard after the fact and a ton of people got rich, I don't see that happening here because anyone who thinks itll flip are buying into it now, meaning the demand at launch isn't going to be much higher to at all.

I'd like to see the people who show up to actually play it long term.
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>>97899863
That's not a hypothetical, they're straight up just packing the first set with videogame characters. We all knew that there was going to be a good chunk of the audience who were secondaries, but at this point it looks like the people making it are too.
I never have a lot of optimism for the latest hyped up TCG, they crash and burn 90% of the time, but this one looks even worse than usual.
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>>97899809
I'm planning an organized play kit for my tcg. What kind of prizes do you like to see best? Ranging from participation prizes to first place.

Since I'm planning a more business/corporate themed game, I also have been pondering implementing some kind of prize for best dressed. Similar to how youth basketball encourages the players to dress well before a game, I think encouraging people to come to game night in slacks and a button down could have an overall interesting effect on a community. Imagine a regional full of people playing cards in 3 piece suits
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>>97899809
>Ravensburger has one of the best IPs in its hands, but its inability to do anything worthwhile with it surprises me.
Not that dissimilar to Disney the past decade and a half, am I right? Jokes aside, the deck flavor not being there sounds rough and I do not envy their position of having to pick between casuals and competitive players with an IP Pool like Disney's.
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>>97899809
>Decks aren't thematic. The best decks are a slop pile of the best cards in the color
Not linking characters to their title is probably the biggest mistake Ravensburger made when they put out this game.
It's the kind of thing you end up rebooting the whole game over.
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>>97900465
Least stinky prize would be the most you could expect from most TCG communities.
Maybe look at what netrunner did? For whatever reason that demographic was mostly white color yuppies coming to game night straight from the office.
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>>97900450
>That's not a hypothetical, they're straight up just packing the first set with videogame characters.
That's all they can use right now. They've said they're currently in talks with Pondsmith and the company that I can't recall the name of to get the rights to the books.

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